CLAY: Buck, this morning — in what felt like sort of a calculated attempt to take over this story — I woke up to Good Morning America in cooperation with ESPN. They’re both part of the Disney universe. They did a sit-down interview with Lia Thomas, the transgender swimmer who set an NCAA record, won an NCAA championship in swimming. Is a biological man who decided to become a woman, would have never been able to win a swimming championship in college as a man.

Becomes a woman, and goes and wins a women’s swimming championship, dominates much of the Ivy League swimming season. So I want to play a couple of cuts for you from this interview. There was also a front-page story in the New York Times about Lia Thomas and everything surrounding this story, and there’s some unbelievable quotes inside of this. I think all of you out there understand — and this is rocket science, but it’s unbelievable that we even have to say it — biological men are bigger, stronger, and faster than women.

And as a result, if biological men — if men — are able to compete with women, they’re going to win lots of women’s titles, which is why we have a separation between men’s and women’s sports. But Lia Thomas is trying to argue — and got almost no pushback from Good Morning America or anyone at ESPN — trans women competing doesn’t threaten women’s sports. Here’s the first cut.

Penn’s transgender swimmer has spoken. Despite having a clear competitive advantage swimming against women, claims there is no competitive advantage. pic.twitter.com/eCctV1RGH4

— Clay Travis (@ClayTravis) May 31, 2022

CLAY: Buck, if you can’t win as a man, and then you decide to identify as a woman and you win, how is there any other conclusion other than men who decide to become women are a direct threat to women’s athletics? And how does Good Morning America not push back here?

BUCK: There are some problems with this. First of all, you cannot become a woman.

CLAY: Yes.

BUCK: This is actually the fundamental problem. Before we get into anything else, I keep reading these stories even on some websites that are like they say, “She spoke to GMA…” No, actually. You’re actually not a woman. If you want to say you’re a “trans woman,” that is a designation that would be accurate, but you cannot become a female. You cannot. You do not have a uterus, you do not have ovaries, you cannot have babies, you are not a woman.

CLAY: Yes.

BUCK: You are not. Based on your chromosomes, you are not a woman, and so this notion of “I became…” This is the foundational lie, unfortunately — and I know that this is very traumatizing for some people, they don’t want to hear this. But the foundational lie is that you can become a woman. You actually cannot become a woman. And everyone should be treated with decency and basic humanity and rights. But reality is still reality, and the motivation issue here doesn’t make a difference.

It’s still an advantage. There is still a biological advantage in athletic competition for trans women over biological women or just women. And I think the Democrats have finally started to realize that the country is just not with them on this. The activist left is willing to go out there and terrorize people who speak out against this. They’ll deplatform you on social media. As you know, if you make a comment about… Who’s the admiral in the HHS?

CLAY: Rachel Levine.

BUCK: If you say Rachel Levine is a man on social media, you can be banned from social media, and I wonder also when we’re gonna start seeing more of this adjudicated in courts under… I guess it wouldn’t be… Is it a Title IX violation or is it just…?

CLAY: Great question. It’s actually… Yeah. I mean, I would argue that women, that is actual women, have a lawsuit under Title IX against men because here’s what’s gonna start happening, Buck. Men who decide that they’re women are gonna start getting scholarships because if your goal is to win, then men who are relatively mediocre male college swimmers can become the greatest women swimmers on a women’s swimming team.

So you’re gonna start to have biological women — that is, actual women from a scientific perspective — have their scholarships taken by men who are identifying as women, and here’s the other quote on this that I want to play. Listen to this about whether there needs to be permission on this advantage over real women. Listen to this quote.

EXCLUSIVE: “Trans people don’t transition for athletics. We transition to be happy and authentic and our true selves.”

Transgender swimmer Lia Thomas speaks out to @JujuChangABC about backlash and future plans to compete. https://t.co/UFQOgMNBLj pic.twitter.com/FJcmyEChi9

— Good Morning America (@GMA) May 31, 2022

CLAY: I disagree. You do need the NCAA’s permission here, which is the regulatory body. This is crazy to me. You should compete against your biology. If women, Buck, were competing in an open category against men, no woman would ever win a gold, silver, or bronze medal in virtually any sport that exists in the world. The very reason why we decide to split up people is because women are not as big, as strong, or as fast as men.

And that’s not sexism. That’s biology. And there’s a great quote in this New York Times piece, Buck, that I wanted to share with you. The fastest woman of all time is a woman named Allyson Felix. Allyson Felix was incredible in terms of I believe she’s the fastest woman that has ever existed in the history of mankind so far as we know — and womankind evidently since man-made is sexist. She ran a lifetime best 400 meter of 49.26 seconds. In 2017, 275 high school boys ran faster than the fastest woman of all time — 275 high school boys in the United States beat the fastest woman ever all time in one year alone.

BUCK: Trans female competition against women in sports is all rooted in lies.

CLAY: Yes.

BUCK: And this is the problem, and this is why we keep coming back to this . This is why it doesn’t make sense to people and why they’re so ferocious in trying to force you, trying to force you. They don’t try to convince you that there’s not a physical, biological advantage. They shout at you that there isn’t. And when you say, “Hold on a second, we all know…” They say, “You shut up!” You’re talking about quotes.

Theodore Dalrymple. I came across this over the weekend. He is a conservative English cultural critic. He wrote, “Political correctness is communist propaganda writ small. In my study of communist societies, I came to the conclusion that the purpose of communist propaganda was not to persuade or convince, not to inform, but to humiliate; and therefore, the less it corresponded to reality the better.

“When people are forced to remain silent when they are being told the most obvious lies, or even worse when they are forced to repeat the lies themselves, they lose once and for all their sense of probity. To assent to obvious lies is in some small way to become evil oneself. One’s standing to resist anything is thus eroded, and even destroyed. A society of emasculated liars is easy to control. I think if you examine political correctness, it has the same effect and is intended to.”

They want us to go along with the most blatant, obvious, absurd lie because it demeans your ability to discern truth, discern fact from fiction. It demeans your ability to stand up for what is right on all things because you are part of the lie. And that is why we cannot go along — and again, be kind to everybody, be decent to everybody, treat everybody with respect. Anyone can change their name, et cetera. But to say that women don’t have a problem here on their hands with trans women competing against some in sports is a lie built atop more lies.

CLAY: You have to make a choice. Either you believe that women’s sports should be for women or you don’t. That’s the question. And I would point out that if you question the biological difference, women who decide to identify as men are zero chance of competing in men’s athletics. Doesn’t mean they can’t try. Doesn’t mean they can’t try out. But if you are a woman when you identify as a man?

You have zero chance of ever being competitive at the highest levels of male athletics. When men decide to identify as women, they immediately become, if they are talented men, potentially the greatest women who have ever played the sport. And you’re hearing from people like Martina Navratilova, Caitlyn Jenner — people who are in women’s athletics and are willing to actually speak out about it — becoming significant issues.