BUCK: TikTok veterinarian goes viral with a list of dog breeds she wouldn’t own. Now, let’s just say this. Generally, I think that you’re allowed to say whatever you want about opinion stuff or taste issues, right? So, if I say that chocolate ice cream is the best ice cream and someone else for whatever reason is a barbarian who really likes strawberry ice cream.

This is always a debate in my household, Clay. You know, people are entitled to their opinions. Even though on Twitter, as you and I both know, if you say I like vanilla, people will pile on and say, “Why? You know, why did your parents make so many mistakes in raising you?” You know what I’m talking about with this stuff.

CLAY: I noticed early on in Twitter, I went on and said, which to me is an indisputable truth, the best cobbler. I think I said cobbler is really good, you know, like — and I’m a big fan of blackberry cobbler in particular. And immediately people were outraged that I could really like cobbler. And this was one of the first — like, maybe the first — year that I had been on Twitter. And so, you learn about social media is, whatever you say you like, you almost immediately get attacked. It doesn’t matter what it is. Like, the least offensive thing that you could say on Twitter, like a fun debate topic — you know, like there’s obviously controversial topics. What is the least controversial thing that you could say on Twitter?

BUCK: I mean, something about food you like or cheeseburgers are better than hot dogs —

CLAY: But it was… Like, when you say even, like, “I like hot dogs,” somebody’s gonna be like, “What are, are you crazy? Hot dogs are garbage,” right?

BUCK: Are you kidding me? You’ll — I got dragged for days for pointing out that milk in your coffee is basically better than all these oat juices and things.

CLAY: Oh, yeah, yeah, right.

BUCK: People lost their minds for days and days. Sorry, there’s so many options. Drink whatever you want. I don’t care. But, anyway, there’s a lot of these things that we could get into. And it is true. You could say on social media today, you or I or anyone listening could say, “Wow, it’s a nice day,” and all of a sudden, some account from like WeatherTruth.com or something is gonna be like, “Why are you such an idiot. It’s not good weather. It’s actually causing a lot of power grid issues.”

CLAY: Yeah, or, “Better enjoy it now ’cause in 10 years we’re all gonna be dead ’cause of climate change.” Doesn’t matter. Yeah.

BUCK: You can’t say anything, and the worst thing is if you ask — I wish that I could crowdsource — on this show we can and brilliant people call in with tremendous expertise. But on social media, if you ask an honest question like, hey, what’s the best way for me to regrout the tile in my bathroom? You’ll get 50 responses, people saying, oh, you’re such an idiot who’s never done anything in his life. Okay.

But so, I bring this up because people — and this audience included, me included, although it’s a family dog, technically, people love their dogs. You mess with their dog and you’re in a world of hurt. And I don’t even just mean obviously like actually being mean to the dog or something. I just mean you talk smack about their dog breed. If you want to see a website crash from the traffic that will happen, start a fight between pro-pit bull owners and anti-pit bull owners, just as an example. By the way, I’m not starting that fight right now. I’m just saying, it is something that will get people very fired up on both sides. This veterinarian on TikTok —

CLAY: Wit. Wit is her name. She’s kind of cute.

BUCK: Hey. She did a little video — and I’m gonna say this right now. She wasn’t… She had no idea what she was stepping into. She did the five dog breeds she wouldn’t own as a veterinarian.

@dr.terrellpetvet #5thingschallenge #veterinarian #dogs #fypシ ♬ original sound – Whit

DR. TERRELL: Number five, Chinese Crested. I mean, the dogs and stuff are fine. I don’t like hairless animals. They’re zitty (sic), they’re kind of greasy. Same with cats. Number four, these ankle biters. Nope. Not — not my cup of tea. Three. Not just the pug but just any brachycephalic breeds. I mean, some of them are so cute, they can’t breathe, clearly cannot breathe. They snore. I’ve already got a husband that snores. I don’t need anything else. Coming in at number two. The GSD. This also applies to Belgian Malinois —

BUCK: Clay’s favorite dog.

DR. TERRELL: — and coming in at one, piss everyone off, is the goldendoodle.

BUCK: Okay. So she’s trying to have fun. Clay, this went, like, mega-viral —

CLAY: People are furious at her.

BUCK: — people are completely… Just to be clear, there is no community for the Chinese crested out there, okay? I’ve never even seen one. Do you know…? Oh, my gosh. New York City Ali over here says, “I’ve never even seen a Chinese Crested.” That’s a thing that people see?

CLAY: I have no idea what kind of dog that is.

BUCK: To me, that’s like a space alien. Like, that doesn’t even really count. But apparently Ali says they exist. They’re hairless in part which is what freaks everybody out. She mentioned Chihuahuas. And I will say our friend Tomi Lahren has a Chihuahua. You go after peoples Chihuahuas it’s like you’re calling their baby ugly. She went after bulldogs and said they snore and can’t breathe, which I will say bulldogs snoring is adorable, okay? The bulldog owners of America —

CLAY: They do have, though, a breathing issue, right?

BUCK: Clay. Clay. Come on.

CLAY: My understanding.

BUCK: I have breathing issues, all right? I’ve got a deviated septum. I’m glad that nobody abandoned me. And then she mentioned German Shepherds and Malinois. Now, that one, I’m gonna say — and maybe I’m stepping into here a little bit — you have to know what you’re doing with those dogs. Those are not like get them and figure it out how to be a dog owner.

CLAY: I got bit by a German Shepherd when I was a kid, badly.

BUCK: Really?

CLAY: You know, the scar on my face… Yeah, when I was 5 years old, I had chicken pox. I was at my friend Neil’s house. He also had chicken pox. Anybody out there who’s around my age or older will remember, you know, we had chicken pox parties. We were the opposite of covid, right? When you got chicken pox, they wanted you to get it at a young age; so, everybody got chicken pox around the same age. I believe I was in first grade. Yeah, I was in first grade, went out to pet his dog, Casper, the German Shepherd. Casper, leapt up and bit me and ripped my face.

BUCK: No.

CLAY: You could see the cheekbone.

BUCK. Oh, my God. You’re lucky didn’t hit your eye.

CLAY: Yeah, I know, and also my throat. My lip was ripped open, I had a hole in my cheek. So, I was 6, and I had over 50 stitches —

BUCK: My gosh.

CLAY: — from this German Shepherd bite. So, I’m not a big German Shepherd guy.

BUCK: They’re working dogs. The same thing with the Malinois. The Malinois is like — is like a lean, mean German Shepherd in terms of its speed and they’re great for a lot of our military and law enforcement audience love their Malinois, love their shepherds, ’cause they’re amazing in those roles and if you know how to handle them. But, you know, a Chihuahua is different from a Malinois, right?

CLAY: And all these dogs have different personalities inside of the breed itself, right?

BUCK: Of course. But a Chihuahua is not gonna go flying through an open window at top speed and take down a 180-pound man like it’s nothing. If a Chihuahua did that, it would be remarkable to see. Be kind of like that scene in There’s Something About Mary with the little dog, but if you haven’t seen it, you can’t make that movie anymore. But the one that I think really, I’m gonna tell you this right now, my fiancee’s a doodle person.

CLAY: Doodles are wildly popular.

BUCK: I have experience with doodle people all over the country. Doodle people are like the vegans of the canine owner world in that they think they have figured out… They’re like, “They don’t shed, they’re hypoallergenic, they’re super smart.” They’re like, they have figured out the secret to the top of the canine ownership pyramid here. You mess with people’s doodles; they freak out at you.

CLAY: How much do these doodles cost too?

BUCK: I think it… I mean, doodles are probably — it depends where in the country — a couple of grand. I mean, Frenchies, which goes under the brachycephalic dog. You know, brachycephaly which is what the squash-face dogs are, Frenchies run anywhere from two or three grand up to 15 grand.

CLAY: $15,000.

BUCK: Yes. A blue Frenchie in a city, if you’re going through a breeder, will cost you. That’s why there are armed robbers who steal people’s Frenchies.

CLAY: There are stories about people getting them stolen.

BUCK: Apparently the snoring doesn’t hurt the market value very much. Just saying that for the bulldog owners out there.

CLAY: So, what has happened to this TikTok vet? Like, she’s everywhere.

BUCK: I mean, she’s all over. You’ve got the story up at OutKick. I think she’s more famous than she ever intended to be. Look. Ever needs to calm down. Lady’s allowed to have her opinions. I just think it’s kind of funny because there are some things… I will say this, Clay, it’s a little bit like… I’m sure there are people in the sports world where, if you really trash somebody’s team, you’re like, “That team sucks, their coaching is awful,” they take it personally, right? They’re like hold on a second. Like, I actually really think that team is awesome and inspiring. You go after people’s dogs — not their individual dog, the dog breed — and this is certainly true of pit bull owners and, you know, you mess with the bull, you get the horn, man.

CLAY: I can’t believe she didn’t put pitbull on the list.

BUCK: I was surprised by that, too, given the ones that she went after here. But there are the people that say, best family dog you could ever have, and then there are people who say, all the fatal attacks basically nationwide involve pit bulls. So, you get this huge debate that breaks down. Like, when I lived in D.C., I lived in an apartment building there, there was a whole list of banned breeds. So, this does actually become an issue, yeah.

CLAY: — in your building?

BUCK: There are some cities that I think have even considered banning certain breeds citywide. I don’t think that’s really gone into effect yet. But, yeah, man, usually it’s a weight issue. So, there’s a little bit of body shaming of the canines that goes on. Because they don’t want big dogs.

CLAY: My mom just texted me: Three facial surgeries to recover from that when I was 6 years old.

BUCK: Oh, my gosh.

CLAY: I mean, think about 50 stitches for a 6-year-old. 50 stitches for an adult is a big wound. But for a 6-year-old, it was like half my face, eye and the neck.

BUCK: Man. Send us your cute pup photos at TheClayAndBuckShow@gmail.com. We got all the Sexton dogs posted. We are gonna do Cute Cat Tuesday at some point for all the cats. She took a little shot, the vet, at cats. I’m just gonna say it.

CLAY: We’ve got two cats and I’m not in favor of the fact that we have two cats. In fact, they really kind of drive me insane. I’m at least favorite in the house of the cats and the cats are the least favorite of mine.

BUCK: What would happen if you came home and you told Mrs. Travis, you told Laura, you know, I just think we could really benefit from, like, a pet porcupine or maybe a raccoon? Like is any of that in the mix or definitely not?

CLAY: I think that we’re in the process of getting a house built, and the cats are gonna be excluded from many parts of the new house. They have wrecked substantial portions of the house.

BUCK: Also, let us know your thoughts at Clay and Buck, sign up, please, as subscribers for our VIP. Send us your dog photos. But also, if you want to weigh in on this — this list of five dog breeds that got the rough stuff here from this vet — weigh in. Go to ClayAndBuck.com.

And I’m telling you, man, you mess with people’s dogs, you’ve never seen anything like it.

CLAY: We’ve deluged, evidently, by photos of animals as a result. So, there you go.