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Clay and Buck

Clay and Buck

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The Science Hasnโ€™t Changed! You Were WRONG, Libs!

9 Feb 2022

BUCK: New York State rolling back the indoor mask mandate but not the school mask mandate, and the CDC โ€” the breaking news here is โ€” theyโ€™re still recommending masking in high-transmission areas. Why is this such a fight at this point? Cases are down. We ask that rhetorically, of course. Weโ€™ll tell you why. Weโ€™re gonna get into why. But cases are down almost 50% in the last couple of weeks.

Thereโ€™s been an enormous change in the covid positivity rate, right, and the covid rate of spread, of hospitalization, everything. Itโ€™s obviously just the end of the season, the end of the season, and theyโ€™re acting like this is because we are in a situation where we should be thanking the Fauciites and the people around us for what they have done here, for the situation of the lockdowns, the mask mandates, vaccine passports, all of it.

If anything else, you have to remember, theyโ€™re going to try to tell you that they did everything right and that everything that theyโ€™re doing is right and will continue to be. And, Clay, what I want to say is I refuse to allow this. I refuse to let them act like the science changed โ€” we found out new stuff, we did everything that we were supposed to do โ€” that the promises they made about stopping the spread and transmission of the virus, that masks work. This is a hill I will gladly die on โ€” unmasked. It doesnโ€™t work, it didnโ€™t work, and theyโ€™re crazy.

CLAY: Well, this is significant, right? We need consequences for public policy failures. We need to know that there are issues when youโ€™re totally wrong, whether itโ€™s defund the police, which basically no one in America now is even arguing they were ever in favor of, Buck, like you canโ€™t even find a Democrat now who says defund the police is a good idea. Thatโ€™s after everyone was arguing for basically six months defund the police was the way to go.

BUCK: I think thereโ€™s one, I think on Fox News this morning. Who was it? Just to be fair, Clay, I think thereโ€™s Cori Bush.

Clay and BuckCLAY: Sheโ€™s still arguing in favor of it?

BUCK: Cori Bush, as of this morning, is refusing โ€” this is on FoxNews.com โ€” to back away from defund the police. This is their main story, which is what I was thinking about. So, thereโ€™s one Clay. Thereโ€™s one.

CLAY: There is at least one Democrat who is still โ€” and you know what? I actually have more respect for her. I didnโ€™t have much respect for Cori Bush in the first place because she was, if I remember correctly, one of the women who was sleeping on the steps of the Capitol to get an unconstitutional eviction moratorium. But she also spent hundreds of thousands of dollars on her own private security while arguing that police needed to be defunded.

BUCK: โ€˜Cause sheโ€™s important, Clay.

CLAY: Yes. But at least sheโ€™s sticking to her guns, so to speak, on this one. But there need to beโ€ฆ For everybody out there, Dr. Leana Wen โ€” Buck, we talked about this yesterday โ€” when I saw her CNN hit, my jaw dropped. Itโ€™s rare that I see an opinionโ€ฆ I mean, this is a woman who a few weeks ago was saying (summarized), โ€œEvery kid needs to be mandatory vaccinated. You need to have domestic travel restrictions for the unvaccinated.

โ€œYou need to have medical-grade masks on every kid in school,โ€ and suddenly she said, โ€œAll of that can go away; this should be a parental decision,โ€ and itโ€™s as if what she said before never existed. And this is where I think we need to keep hammering this for everybody out there. No. You canโ€™t suddenly just pivot and change everything that youโ€™ve been arguing for two years. And the crazy thing is, did you see what Leana Wen tweeted? I mean, this is wild, Buck.

This is her Washington Post opinion piece. Iโ€™m saying, โ€œWait a minute. We have been the nuanced group, Buck!โ€ You and I have been arguing โ€œlook at the dataโ€ for years! โ€œAddress elderly people!โ€ We say this on the show how many times, we told our own parents, โ€œGet the covid shot, get the booster, youโ€™re over 75 years old.โ€

Weโ€™re telling our audience out there, โ€œHey, if youโ€™re morbidly obese like Stacey Abrams, you probably should get the covid shot,โ€ right? If you are in ill health, you probably should get it. But my 7-year-old doesnโ€™t need to be treated the same as my 75-plus-year-old parents. This is a different world. Thatโ€™s what weโ€™ve been arguing โ€” and all of a sudden, these scientists canโ€™t say, โ€œOh, weโ€™re the nuanced group.โ€ No, no, no. You were wrong, we were right, and there need to be consequences politically for your wrongness.

BUCK: And the one place where theyโ€™re really digging in still is one of the areas where they have the least data to support them, but where clearly thereโ€™s an emotional component on this, and thatโ€™s on the situation of kids. Why are we sitting here talking aboutโ€ฆ? I donโ€™t even have kids. Clayโ€™s got school-age children so this affects him more directly than it does me.

Why are we sitting here trying to fight that fight? Because theyโ€™re claiming that theyโ€™re going to continue with the masking of children in New York at least, for weeks, if not months, until they can get the higher level of vaccination. Now theyโ€™re acting like, โ€œWe gotta get all the kids vaccinated,โ€ and thatโ€™s the issue. They are neurotics, and they are hysterical.

This is the problem we are facing now, and theyโ€™re sacrificing children because theyโ€™re not in a position to say, โ€œHey, adults, stop being crazy,โ€ and they have really trained themselves. Psychologically, emotionally, the Democrat Party has viewed this entire covid-restriction regime as a function of whether or not theyโ€™re good people.

You still have James Carville, for example. Remember how he said this is all about creatingโ€ฆ? We talked about this yesterday. Everybody I think knows what Iโ€™m about to say, about how when everything started to fail, Clay, to fill that emotional hole that people had from all the fear and everything else, they didnโ€™t turn on the government. They turned on the unvaccinated. Hereโ€™s James Carville saying he wants to punch โ€™em in the face.

CLAY: He wants to punch me right in the face. Iโ€™m unvaccinated โ€” by the way, I think I like my chances with James Carville โ€”

BUCK: Give it a shot, Jimmy.

CLAY: Iโ€™ve got him by 30 years and probably 30 pounds, so itโ€™s not exactly a fair fight, kind of like when youโ€™re a girl and youโ€™re having to swim against boys, which is whatโ€™s going on in the Ivy League. Thatโ€™s why we have weight classes for boxing. But I think I would take James Carville, and I actually at times think James Carvilleโ€™s really entertaining.

To me, this is a sign that he doesnโ€™t know what the data is, right? Because if heโ€ฆ There are a lot of people out there of the James Carville ilk who are Democrats that convince themselves that they did everything right and the only reason covid still exists is because people are unvaccinated. Thatโ€™s not remotely true. Thatโ€™s not what the data shows.

BUCK: I think the primary reasonโ€ฆ There are a lot of reasons. There are still people, I mean, Clay, walking around New York City. There are double maskers outside right now.

CLAY: Yeah.

BUCK: Still, walking into the studio today, I see double maskers outside. I also saw an NYPD detective who came over, flashed his badge, said, โ€œI love what you and Clay are doing.โ€ So high five to that guy.

CLAY: I appreciate him. Maybe he can help me sneak into a restaurant whenever Iโ€™m back in New York City.

BUCK: I think NYPD would have us covered here.

CLAY: Yeah.

BUCK: But anyway, the reality is that the primary motivate for the apparatus is to maintain control of the dissent and to always have in the backgroundโ€ฆ You know, theyโ€™re gonna loosen the leash, Clay, but theyโ€™re not gonna take the leash off of us. Thatโ€™s one aspect of it. And then for the people, the mass those of who have suffered from mass formation psychosisโ€ฆ

I love that term because it sets them off into fits of rage. Their biggest thing is, โ€œWe canโ€™t have been wrong this whole time. Those stupid Trump voters canโ€™t have been right.โ€ Thereโ€™s a huge ego component of this where they justโ€ฆ You keep saying โ€œthe data.โ€ Clay, there are people now who will look at the most obvious and clear data. Theyโ€™ll look at, what is it, Williamson County versus Davidson County โ€”

CLAY: Davidson County, yep.

BUCK: โ€” schools side by side and theyโ€™ll say, โ€œI donโ€™t care. The numbers donโ€™t matter to them anymore. Those anti-maskers, Trumpers, anti-vax mandate people? Theyโ€™re the bad people, Clay. They should get punched in the face. They canโ€™t be right.โ€ Weโ€™re here to tell all those, folks, โ€œNo you were right, and the other side โ€” the libs, the Fauciites โ€” were Wrong. Big W Wrong.โ€

Clay and BuckCLAY: And hereโ€™s the other thing I think is worth mentioning. Even as Democratic governors in places like Connecticut, New Jersey, Delaware, and even in New York, Buck, with Kathy Hochul start to walk back their restrictions, itโ€™s important to recognize that governors can walk back their restrictions but the cities and the local school districts where many kids are attending school still are not walking back simultaneously, right?

So I think this is a little bit of a bait-and-switch, because we know that the media, many people who cover certainly left-wing politics are not very smart and theyโ€™re also biased. But, Buck, I donโ€™t want us to overlook, just because a governor walks back a restriction statewide doesnโ€™t mean that the vast majority of kids in a state still could not be mandated to continue to have to wear masks.

I think some of our people out there listening may not understand that, and I think itโ€™s going to create even more tension and even more conflict at a school board because this is like whatโ€™s going on in Virginia. The woman that we had on yesterday, she said, โ€œWait. I was told if the governor didnโ€™t have this restriction, that mask mandates would disappear.โ€ Merianne Jensen who came on with us yesterday. But the reality is these local school boards and these dictatorial mayors can still have power over whether or not your kids are required to wear masks.

BUCK: The lesson of what weโ€™re seeing right now for me and for anyone whoโ€™s paying attention to this, Clay, is that the science didnโ€™t change; the politics changed. Everyoneโ€™s saying that now, and itโ€™s accurate. But thatโ€™s not just about whatโ€™s going on now. That has been the case the whole time. They have been making policy and judgment calls under the rubric of โ€œthe scienceโ€ when it was really โ€œthe politics.โ€

Thatโ€™s been true the entirety of the pandemic, really from the beginning. And I would even argue going back into the Trump administration there were a lot of politics involved in what lockdowns, when. Remember Cuomo and Fauci early on? They made this political, right? Trump wasnโ€™t listening to the science enough. I think he listened to, quote, โ€œthe scienceโ€ as in Fauci too much. This has been the case the whole time, and everyone who looks back, I think, they realize and they see that.

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