The Science Hasnโt Changed! You Were WRONG, Libs!
9 Feb 2022
BUCK: New York State rolling back the indoor mask mandate but not the school mask mandate, and the CDC โ the breaking news here is โ theyโre still recommending masking in high-transmission areas. Why is this such a fight at this point? Cases are down. We ask that rhetorically, of course. Weโll tell you why. Weโre gonna get into why. But cases are down almost 50% in the last couple of weeks.
Thereโs been an enormous change in the covid positivity rate, right, and the covid rate of spread, of hospitalization, everything. Itโs obviously just the end of the season, the end of the season, and theyโre acting like this is because we are in a situation where we should be thanking the Fauciites and the people around us for what they have done here, for the situation of the lockdowns, the mask mandates, vaccine passports, all of it.
If anything else, you have to remember, theyโre going to try to tell you that they did everything right and that everything that theyโre doing is right and will continue to be. And, Clay, what I want to say is I refuse to allow this. I refuse to let them act like the science changed โ we found out new stuff, we did everything that we were supposed to do โ that the promises they made about stopping the spread and transmission of the virus, that masks work. This is a hill I will gladly die on โ unmasked. It doesnโt work, it didnโt work, and theyโre crazy.
CLAY: Well, this is significant, right? We need consequences for public policy failures. We need to know that there are issues when youโre totally wrong, whether itโs defund the police, which basically no one in America now is even arguing they were ever in favor of, Buck, like you canโt even find a Democrat now who says defund the police is a good idea. Thatโs after everyone was arguing for basically six months defund the police was the way to go.
BUCK: I think thereโs one, I think on Fox News this morning. Who was it? Just to be fair, Clay, I think thereโs Cori Bush.
CLAY: Sheโs still arguing in favor of it?
BUCK: Cori Bush, as of this morning, is refusing โ this is on FoxNews.com โ to back away from defund the police. This is their main story, which is what I was thinking about. So, thereโs one Clay. Thereโs one.
CLAY: There is at least one Democrat who is still โ and you know what? I actually have more respect for her. I didnโt have much respect for Cori Bush in the first place because she was, if I remember correctly, one of the women who was sleeping on the steps of the Capitol to get an unconstitutional eviction moratorium. But she also spent hundreds of thousands of dollars on her own private security while arguing that police needed to be defunded.
BUCK: โCause sheโs important, Clay.
CLAY: Yes. But at least sheโs sticking to her guns, so to speak, on this one. But there need to beโฆ For everybody out there, Dr. Leana Wen โ Buck, we talked about this yesterday โ when I saw her CNN hit, my jaw dropped. Itโs rare that I see an opinionโฆ I mean, this is a woman who a few weeks ago was saying (summarized), โEvery kid needs to be mandatory vaccinated. You need to have domestic travel restrictions for the unvaccinated.
โYou need to have medical-grade masks on every kid in school,โ and suddenly she said, โAll of that can go away; this should be a parental decision,โ and itโs as if what she said before never existed. And this is where I think we need to keep hammering this for everybody out there. No. You canโt suddenly just pivot and change everything that youโve been arguing for two years. And the crazy thing is, did you see what Leana Wen tweeted? I mean, this is wild, Buck.
In the coming days, we will see many Governors and local leaders lift mask mandates. This is the right step, and marks a needed shift from government-imposed requirement to individual decision. It helps to preserve public health authority for when itโs needed again. @wolfblitzer pic.twitter.com/66zwIw6vgH
โ Leana Wen, M.D. (@DrLeanaWen) February 7, 2022
This is her Washington Post opinion piece. Iโm saying, โWait a minute. We have been the nuanced group, Buck!โ You and I have been arguing โlook at the dataโ for years! โAddress elderly people!โ We say this on the show how many times, we told our own parents, โGet the covid shot, get the booster, youโre over 75 years old.โ
Weโre telling our audience out there, โHey, if youโre morbidly obese like Stacey Abrams, you probably should get the covid shot,โ right? If you are in ill health, you probably should get it. But my 7-year-old doesnโt need to be treated the same as my 75-plus-year-old parents. This is a different world. Thatโs what weโve been arguing โ and all of a sudden, these scientists canโt say, โOh, weโre the nuanced group.โ No, no, no. You were wrong, we were right, and there need to be consequences politically for your wrongness.
BUCK: And the one place where theyโre really digging in still is one of the areas where they have the least data to support them, but where clearly thereโs an emotional component on this, and thatโs on the situation of kids. Why are we sitting here talking aboutโฆ? I donโt even have kids. Clayโs got school-age children so this affects him more directly than it does me.
Why are we sitting here trying to fight that fight? Because theyโre claiming that theyโre going to continue with the masking of children in New York at least, for weeks, if not months, until they can get the higher level of vaccination. Now theyโre acting like, โWe gotta get all the kids vaccinated,โ and thatโs the issue. They are neurotics, and they are hysterical.
This is the problem we are facing now, and theyโre sacrificing children because theyโre not in a position to say, โHey, adults, stop being crazy,โ and they have really trained themselves. Psychologically, emotionally, the Democrat Party has viewed this entire covid-restriction regime as a function of whether or not theyโre good people.
You still have James Carville, for example. Remember how he said this is all about creatingโฆ? We talked about this yesterday. Everybody I think knows what Iโm about to say, about how when everything started to fail, Clay, to fill that emotional hole that people had from all the fear and everything else, they didnโt turn on the government. They turned on the unvaccinated. Hereโs James Carville saying he wants to punch โem in the face.
James Carville Calls for a Law making it legal to punch Unvaccinated citizens in the face.
The political Left are terrorists. They dehumanized us for 4 years during Trumps Presidency while calling for violence and what happened? pic.twitter.com/9EXkWXYcDi
โ Anna Taylor Sassy American (@AnnaTay59833185) February 8, 2022
CLAY: He wants to punch me right in the face. Iโm unvaccinated โ by the way, I think I like my chances with James Carville โ
BUCK: Give it a shot, Jimmy.
CLAY: Iโve got him by 30 years and probably 30 pounds, so itโs not exactly a fair fight, kind of like when youโre a girl and youโre having to swim against boys, which is whatโs going on in the Ivy League. Thatโs why we have weight classes for boxing. But I think I would take James Carville, and I actually at times think James Carvilleโs really entertaining.
To me, this is a sign that he doesnโt know what the data is, right? Because if heโฆ There are a lot of people out there of the James Carville ilk who are Democrats that convince themselves that they did everything right and the only reason covid still exists is because people are unvaccinated. Thatโs not remotely true. Thatโs not what the data shows.
BUCK: I think the primary reasonโฆ There are a lot of reasons. There are still people, I mean, Clay, walking around New York City. There are double maskers outside right now.
CLAY: Yeah.
BUCK: Still, walking into the studio today, I see double maskers outside. I also saw an NYPD detective who came over, flashed his badge, said, โI love what you and Clay are doing.โ So high five to that guy.
CLAY: I appreciate him. Maybe he can help me sneak into a restaurant whenever Iโm back in New York City.
BUCK: I think NYPD would have us covered here.
CLAY: Yeah.
BUCK: But anyway, the reality is that the primary motivate for the apparatus is to maintain control of the dissent and to always have in the backgroundโฆ You know, theyโre gonna loosen the leash, Clay, but theyโre not gonna take the leash off of us. Thatโs one aspect of it. And then for the people, the mass those of who have suffered from mass formation psychosisโฆ
I love that term because it sets them off into fits of rage. Their biggest thing is, โWe canโt have been wrong this whole time. Those stupid Trump voters canโt have been right.โ Thereโs a huge ego component of this where they justโฆ You keep saying โthe data.โ Clay, there are people now who will look at the most obvious and clear data. Theyโll look at, what is it, Williamson County versus Davidson County โ
CLAY: Davidson County, yep.
BUCK: โ schools side by side and theyโll say, โI donโt care. The numbers donโt matter to them anymore. Those anti-maskers, Trumpers, anti-vax mandate people? Theyโre the bad people, Clay. They should get punched in the face. They canโt be right.โ Weโre here to tell all those, folks, โNo you were right, and the other side โ the libs, the Fauciites โ were Wrong. Big W Wrong.โ
CLAY: And hereโs the other thing I think is worth mentioning. Even as Democratic governors in places like Connecticut, New Jersey, Delaware, and even in New York, Buck, with Kathy Hochul start to walk back their restrictions, itโs important to recognize that governors can walk back their restrictions but the cities and the local school districts where many kids are attending school still are not walking back simultaneously, right?
So I think this is a little bit of a bait-and-switch, because we know that the media, many people who cover certainly left-wing politics are not very smart and theyโre also biased. But, Buck, I donโt want us to overlook, just because a governor walks back a restriction statewide doesnโt mean that the vast majority of kids in a state still could not be mandated to continue to have to wear masks.
I think some of our people out there listening may not understand that, and I think itโs going to create even more tension and even more conflict at a school board because this is like whatโs going on in Virginia. The woman that we had on yesterday, she said, โWait. I was told if the governor didnโt have this restriction, that mask mandates would disappear.โ Merianne Jensen who came on with us yesterday. But the reality is these local school boards and these dictatorial mayors can still have power over whether or not your kids are required to wear masks.
BUCK: The lesson of what weโre seeing right now for me and for anyone whoโs paying attention to this, Clay, is that the science didnโt change; the politics changed. Everyoneโs saying that now, and itโs accurate. But thatโs not just about whatโs going on now. That has been the case the whole time. They have been making policy and judgment calls under the rubric of โthe scienceโ when it was really โthe politics.โ
Thatโs been true the entirety of the pandemic, really from the beginning. And I would even argue going back into the Trump administration there were a lot of politics involved in what lockdowns, when. Remember Cuomo and Fauci early on? They made this political, right? Trump wasnโt listening to the science enough. I think he listened to, quote, โthe scienceโ as in Fauci too much. This has been the case the whole time, and everyone who looks back, I think, they realize and they see that.
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