BUCK: The piece in The Intercept: New Details Emerge About Coronavirus Research at Chinese Lab. This was in The Intercept: “More than 900 pages of materials related to U.S.-funded coronavirus research in China were released following a FOIA lawsuit…” Clay, Fauci lied. They did fund and knew they were funding gain-of-function, the Wuhan Institute of Virology. We’re in a position where the people who have been in charge of our response and wrong the whole time when it comes to covid also funded the creation of covid.

CLAY: And lied about it. Yeah, we are in a spot right now, Buck, where our American tax dollars paid for gain-of-function research, which helped to allow the creation of this virus. I mean, again, I think you and I both, Buck, based on the evidence would say, “The most likely outcome from our opinion is that this thing leaked out of a lab,” right? That it didn’t get spread zoonotically through one animal giving it to a human through the wet market or anything else.

Based on the Chinese response, based on all the evidence, it seems highly probable to me — don’t know 100% ’cause we don’t have that smoking gun, I don’t think we ever will. It seems highly probably that this came out of a lab, and it came out of a lab that was partially funded to be doing the research that it was into coronaviruses based on American tax dollars and that the people who have led our response inside of the government were directly involved in helping to ensure that this virus ever existed, helped to cover up the fact that they were involved, criticized anyone who suggested they could be involved, and have consistently lied to the American public ever since this discussion began — including under oath to Congress.

BUCK: “One of the grants,” this is from this Intercept piece, this is a quote, “titled ‘Understanding the Risk of Bat Coronavirus Emergence,’ outlines an ambitious effort led by EcoHealth Alliance President Peter Daszak to screen thousands of bat samples for novel coronaviruses. The research also involved screening people who work with live animals. The documents contain several critical details about the research in Wuhan, including the fact that key experimental work with humanized mice was conducted at a biosafety level 3 lab at Wuhan University Center for Animal Experiment — and not at the Wuhan Institute of Virology, as was previously assumed.

The documents raise additional questions about,” all this, including, Clay, how concerned they remember about the possibility of, you know, the bats biting or otherwise spreading the virus that they were injecting them with and playing with into a human because then you’d have a super coronavirus in a human being.

CLAY: I mean, think about all the things that have to not be true in order for this to be a coincidence. Let’s presume that it arose organically and naturally. You’re telling me that it happened — in all the world where this could have occurred — right next to the Wuhan virology lab, and right next to this other lab where they’re doing gain-of-function research on these bats? It happened organically, of everywhere it could happen in China, by the way?

Buck, remember the bats that they were testing are not endemic, in other words, they’re not located in Wuhan naturally. They brought all these bats in. And you’re telling me that it just coincidentally of anywhere in the world that this virus could have emerged, they’re doing high-level, gain-of-function research on bats, and they’re doing high-level, virology, gain-of-function research, two different laboratories which are basically located right by the food mart. And you’re telling me that of all the places in the world where covid could have originated, it just happened to originate right beside those two laboratories, and it’s not connected?

BUCK: Well, this has been the theory for a year, and if you said this a year ago or when we were saying this over a year ago now, really going on more like almost, what, 18 months, you were a conspiracy theorist —

CLAY: That’s right.

BUCK: — who was “against the science” and unwilling to deal in fact and Facebook would shut you down and Twitter would ban you and all the rest of it. And there’s no humility, no sense of overreach, “Maybe we should scale it back,” from the same people that insisted that this was a crazy conspiracy theory then. Somehow, they’re the people that are now telling you, “Get that third. Get that fourth shot. Shut up, peasant! Don’t ask any questions.”

CLAY: The way I think about it, Buck, is, if we were standing in front of a jury and there were just 12 reasonably intelligent American jurors, and one group had to argue, “Hey, you know what? It just naturally evolved from an animal, and somewhere at the food market one person got it and it spread there,” and the other person said, “Hey, they were conducting gain-of-function, high-level research in this laboratory right by the food market on viruses and on the bat where we know the covid virus came from,” what do you think the jury would side with, right?

BUCK: It’s pretty obvious.

CLAY: Not too hard.

BUCK: Pretty obvious.