CLAY: Buck, we were just talking with Stephen Miller about all the chaos at the border. And the data continues to reflect, if you look at all this polling, that the border is the single biggest weakness for Joe Biden among a bevy of weaknesses. We’re not talking about Joe Biden having a lot of positive things that he’s able to sell right now. But what’s wild about the border is how awful it is even for Democrats who see what’s going on.

And the border issues are not in any way helpful with Hispanic people at all, which was the argument that it would be an issue. And in fact, there’s actually an article on the editorial page of today’s New York Times where they are talking about the dangers of how rapidly the Hispanic vote is fleeing from the Democratic Party.

And I just thought that some of the data on it was really pretty extraordinary when you break it down and think about how quickly we’ve gone from — Buck, you remember this — “The Hispanic vote is going to guarantee that the Democrat party wins every election for years and years into the future,” to the point now where there really isn’t that occurring. And in fact, there are people now projecting that in 2022 it’s possible the majority of the Hispanic vote is going to go for Republicans. It’s incredible how quickly that’s moved.

BUCK: Obviously it could. We’re predicting the future. That would be earthquake-in-politics-level stuff if you had the majority.

CLAY: The most recent Wall Street Journal poll — again, it’s a poll; I understand the craziness that can come from polls — it had Republicans in front with Hispanic voters, which has never happened before. And I believe the numbers that have come out so far for Hispanic voters… In Barack Obama’s final year, 71% of Hispanic voters voted for Barack Obama.

And then in 2016, Trump actually improved on those numbers. By 2020, Democrats only got — Joe Biden, only got — 56% of the Hispanic vote. So by that point it’s 56/44, even with all the negative attention coming to Trump. It would not stun me if the Hispanic vote breaks for Republicans in 2022.

BUCK: It is fascinating. One thing you don’t hear about in the media is how many legal immigrants — Hispanic Americans, how many of them — don’t actually like an open border, the ones who came here legally. Now there a lot of people who have family members who are illegal, and that can often affect voting patterns.

If your dad is an illegal but you were born here, you might view that differently. There are other areas, though, as well where you can already start to see how this is happening, the data that you’re speaking of, Clay, why it would go that way. The BLM movement and the riots in the summer of 2020, a lot of small business owners and employees of small businesses are Latino, Hispanic Americans.

And they really thought that that was… They saw that for what it was, the riots, where you had, yes, there were a lot of African-Americans partaking in both the protests, and then the riots involved actually a lot of white liberals from ANTIFA. But the Hispanics saw that and said, “Hold on a second. What the heck is this all about?” And also on the gender identity issues, Hispanic community is generally — and they’ve really kind of laughed off this Latinx thing they’ve been trying to do.

CLAY: I was going to hit you with that. That’s in the article.

BUCK: Is that in the article? I just know this stuff from knowing Latinos. (laughing) They’re like, “No, don’t call us Latinx. What’s this?” What’s it say in the piece?

CLAY: So the article is headlined: “While Democrats Debate Latinx, Latinos Head to the GOP.” This is on the editorial page of the New York Times today, and I was reading it this morning, and the Latinx part was one that I thought you would love. “Commonly used by…” I’m reading directly from the article: “Commonly used by media, political and academic elites as a sign of gender inclusivity, ‘Latinx’ is virtually nonexistent in the communities it refers to.

“In 2020, Pew Research revealed that only 3% of Latinos use the term, while 9% of white liberals think it is the most appropriate term to use. In fact, only 14% of Latinos with a high school degree or less had even heard of it.” The article basically goes to the Democratic Party has become so culturally left-wing that they are disconnected from the overall Hispanic vote. I misspoke a little bit.

I want to get the numbers right here: It was 71% Obama, 66% Hillary (that’s 2012-2016), 59% for Biden. So 59/41. But according to the Wall Street Journal poll that recently came out, Joe Biden is so wildly unpopular with Hispanic voters — and this was something that had been the case for a while. If you remember, Biden got crushed in Nevada. Remember? There were a lot of Hispanic voters in the primary. That’s when a lot of people said, “Biden’s campaign is over.” Then he came back to South Carolina, got endorsed by Clyburn.

BUCK: African-American Democrat voters delivered Joe Biden the nomination in that party.

CLAY: That’s right.

BUCK: Without them rallying to Biden’s flag, so to speak, he would not have come out of that primary, I think, with the nomination, and these indicators… You’ve got to add into all this, we’re talking about things that are specific to the Hispanic community, which I think is still the most broadly… People will say Latino or Latina, but the Hispanic community in America has some areas that are specific at least in the polling areas of concern.

Add on top of what we’ve already talked about, high price of gas, those people hate; the obvious weak economy and inflation that’s chipping away. There’s a lot of Hispanic small business owners and employees of small businesses, as I said. Those are the kind of people for whom the increase in the price of everything you need really is painful and gets old fast. Look, like I said, Clay, it has to be an absolute wipeout or else we on the right have not done our jobs in this midterm. It has to be a total annihilation of Democrats everywhere where it’s conceivable at the polls.

CLAY: There’s a lot of Hispanic listeners right now. They understand the importance of capitalism. They came here because of American excellence, and they don’t agree with the idea that is being sold by the left-wing of the Democratic Party that America is evil and an awful, racist place to live. Where are those people going to vote? I think they belong in the Republican Party, and I think in 2022 they’re going to send a seismic message to this country about how inclusive and wide and appealing the Republican message has really become.