CLAY: I just wanted to share quickly with you here a little take from MSNBC. They had a woman named Melinda Haring on. They were expecting Donald Trump to get attacked. Here’s what it sounded like when they asked her about Trump’s actual policy.

HARING: Yeah. Trump was terrible on Ukraine. He was obnoxious. He got rid of Yovanovitch. Uh, he also — he — he brought about — Ukraine did. All of that’s true but his actual policy was not bad. He was actually pretty tough on Russia. And I think that gets lost in the debate. Would — would he or would he not have gone in now? So, the interesting thing is that the Russians are more scared of Trump than they are of Biden. The Russians think that Biden is weak. And that was one of the reasons why they calculated that they could go in now. They were scared of Trump because he was irrational and erratic. So… (sputters) I — I’m not sure. You know, this is a highly speculative show, but I think that has to be part of the discussion as well.

BUCK: Can I just say, Clay, we’ve been saying that for a long time here.

CLAY: Yes.

BUCK: And that’s a leftist from the Atlantic Council, which is a left-leaning think tank but somebody who spends a lot of time sitting around and reading about Ukraine. The storyline that CNN has been feeding its audience for years that Trump was weak on Russia and bad on Ukraine is a flat-out lie.

CLAY: Yeah.

BUCK: It is a lie. I’m sorry. All the libs sitting at home in New York and L.A. and D.C., who think they’re so informed on foreign policy. Trump sent munitions to Ukraine that Obama’s NSC declared too dangerous and provocative to Putin. That was their justification for not sending them. So we just need to deal with reality here, folks. And then she gets to the point of Trump unsettled Putin and made it…?

CLAY: Yes.

BUCK: Exactly what I said. It’s the line from Tombstone. You want Doc Holliday on the street howitzer. You want somebody to be giving the bad guy on the other side something to think about.

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CLAY: This is why the number one question that you should be asking if you hear any of your friends are like, “Oh, Trump’s…” They try to blame Trump for this, just say, “Hey, it’s kind of interesting.” Vladimir Putin didn’t invade for four years while Trump was president, and then it barely took him a year to invade all of Ukraine after Joe Biden took office. Why do you think that is? If Trump was such a Russian stooge, why did Vladimir Putin wait to actually make his move until Trump was off the stage? Because he was afraid of Trump. He’s not afraid of Biden. That’s the easy answer. That’s the right answer.