BUCK: I guess on the covid front things could be worse. I never like to frame things that way ’cause you could always say that, but we could be living in the dystopia down under that is Australia these days. It is abject lunacy that’s happening there. And keep in mind, people have been sharing this recently. There are old headlines and treats from the establishment/legacy media about how Australia used science to crush covid and there’s no covid in Australia because they listen to science.

They have an all-time high caseload, and they’ve had the most extreme measures of any place outside of China — and we don’t really know the full extent of what’s gone on in China. But in any open society where you actually have some transparency about what the government policies may be, Australia really to have been — maybe New Zealand’s right alongside it, but Australia has — taken a super heavy-handed approach.

Here is the Northern Territory of Australia chief minister, just to give you a sense of where things could go here in this covid era, saying that basically if you’re — remember, this is not if you’re covid positive. If you are unvaccinated, you are not allowed to leave your home except to feed yourself so you don’t starve, I guess.

MICHAEL GUNNER: That’s right. There are only three reasons to leave the home now, not five. Work is not a reason to live the home for the unvaccinated. The chief health officer has also determined that restriction of movement is critical right now and that one hour of exercise for the next four days is not essential. Remember these restrictions only apply to those who are not fully vaccinated.

BUCK: Basically, Clay, if you are not fully vaccinated — which, remember, is a moving target and now unboostered is, effectively, going to become not fully vaccinated — the only reason you’re allowed to leave… You’re not allowed to leave your home to walk alone outside according to this guy. It’s like a state in Australia, right. According to this governor, in a sense, the only reason to leave your home that’s acceptable is to buy food or go I guess to a doctor’s appointment if you’re unvaccinated. They’re telling healthy people they can’t leave their houses.

CLAY: And also this is just a blame factory. Make no mistake about what’s going on here. Covid cases are skyrocketing. The argument that the reason why covid was still here was because everyone had not gotten vaccinated. That’s a hundred percent a lie, okay? And I come from the world of sports, and you can use the sports leagues as a perfect representation of that. NHL, 100% virtually vaccinated. NFL, right at 95% vaccinated. NBA, 97% vaccinated.

Buck, all three of those sports leagues are setting all-time highs when it comes to covid positivity rates. So they represent a strong case, clearly, ’cause they’re young and healthy, probably even less likely to get covid than your average person would be, they are still having record high rates of covid, which proves that you can’t vaccinate your where a out of it. To your point about the fact that we are redefining constantly what fully vaccinated is. The NCAA, which is the organization that manages college athletics in this country…

I just got texted by a couch during the course of our show saying, “Hey, the NCAA has put out their new rules and regulations, and you are required now to be boostered.” In addition to your fully vaccination status, college kids who are under no risk — just like you were saying, Buck — in order to be considered fully vaccinated now, you have to be boostered as well in order to be a fully vaccinated athlete for purposes of NCAA rules.

BUCK: And the spite with which the Democrat apparatus, the Biden regime, the legacy media has been referring to — and the spite with which they have treated — those who have been unvaccinated is going to soon go toward the unboostered as well. I think that’s very clear because the alternative is to accept that they’re not as smart as they thought they are, they can’t control this virus, their overreach was unjustified, and maybe they should just stop being crazy.

They don’t want to stop being crazy. They want to stay in power, they want to keep using this. Here is an NYU medical ethics professor who was on TV, who is straight up saying the quiet part out loud here. Increasingly, it’s not even the quiet part. This is what’s being said by people who take the Fauciite point of view, which is make the unvaccinated not just make their lives difficult. Make them miserable, put them at greater risk, punish them, hurt them, make them feel the pain. Here he is.

ARTHUR CAPLAN: When you’re fighting a war, you need all hands on deck. I don’t want to reject those who still haven’t done the right thing. I’ll condemn ’em, I’ll shame them, I’ll blame them, but I don’t want to exclude them. They’ve got to come around. We can’t win this war — we’re gonna be talking about covid this time next year — if we don’t get more people to do the right thing. So we can’t write ’em off. We can penalize them more. We can say you gotta pay more on your hospital bill if you weren’t vaccinated. You can’t get lifestyle or disability insurance at affordable rates if you weren’t vaccinated. Those companies should not treat us as equals in terms of what the financial burdens are that that disease imposes.

BUCK: So cut off your life insurance. So if you’re unvaccinated, and you die in a car accident because you can’t afford your lifestyle anymore, now your family’s destitute. This is what these psychopaths are saying on TV. This is a medical ethics professor, Clay! (laughing) This is the opposite of medical ethics.

CLAY: It’s true. (laughing) But we talked about earlier in the show 95% of people 65 and up have lore gotten at least one covid shot; 86% of people who are 18 and up have already gotten at least one covid shot. That’s almost everyone in the entire country, and by the way, of the 14% who have it… I would be one of those people, right? I’ve already had covid.

So what percentage of the people that he’s claiming are deserving of infinitely higher rates of all this different lifestyle and everything else that he might want to buy are actually not in any reasonable danger? Look, I’m gonna die. I hate to break it to you. There’s probably a lot of people out there that are like, “Yes! I can’t wait for that to happen.” But the chances of it being from covid statistically are virtually zero because I’ve already recovered from covid. I’m far more likely to get in my car and die driving to the grocery store, right? So this idea of not being able to rationalize actual risk underlies all of this insane ideation that’s out there.

BUCK: There’s this control desire as well that’s at the heart of all this, because shouldn’t we be at a point based on the Fauciite logic here where if you want to be in that 5% of 65 and over that aren’t gonna be vaccinated, that’s on you? And to be very clear, Clay and I — not that we’re doctors — both strongly advise, if you are 65 and up, to please give yourself that additional protection of getting vaccinated. The numbers support that very clearly. I would never mandate anybody, never tell anybody they get fired or get an apartment or insurance, of course. But we’re asking you that you’re at that age. But we should be at a point now where the left would say, all right, look, if you want to take that risk that’s on you.

CLAY: Yes.

BUCK: The problem is, they like the power they have from all of this. People have become, on the left, culturally accustomed to living with this now. This is the way that they think of the world. “I have to mask up. I have to be scared all the time.” And they’re not truly feeling safe even when they themselves are vaccinated because they’ve figured out it does not stop the spread. But then you’d say shouldn’t that make them not care if somebody else gets vaccinated or not? And then of course it’s like the whole thing melts down, the system overheats, and the brain stops functioning, which is essentially where we are.

CLAY: Here’s the easy question for everybody out there, and I asked this yesterday on Twitter: Name me a vaccine that’s been considered a success that requires up to four shots in the first year and doesn’t keep you from getting or spreading the virus that you got vaccinated for?

BUCK: And medical heavyweight Slavitt coming at you on Twitter on that one. He’s like, “Let’s go, Travis,” and I could almost hear the knuckle cracking from your end on Twitter. You’re like, “Yeah, let’s go. Let’s throw down.”

CLAY: I’d love to have him on the show love to have Dr. Fauci on the show because I think they would get eviscerated with actual factual data maybe there’s one out there maybe there’s a widely successful vaccine that required you to get up to four shots in a year and still allowed you to get and spread the virus that you got the vaccine for. I’m just not aware of it.

BUCK: (impression) “Maybe I could interview Fauci as Fauci and see what he thinks of that strategy.”