CLAY: Just talking off the air about our buddy Alex Berenson who has been banned by Twitter for saying everything that has turned out to be true, including a story Buck and I were just talking about in the L.A. Times a few days ago. It’s from their science section, and when the LA Times is writing a story that the headline is: “Study shows dramatic decline in effectiveness of all three covid-19 vaccines over time,” well, that’s what we told you the data has been showing us since… When did we have Alex in studio with us in New York, right before he got banned, July, August?

BUCK: July, yeah.

CLAY: That was what the data of showing in July. What we have told our audience out there is, “Hey, we’ve been months ahead of where the mainstream media is going to end up just by looking at the data.” Not ’cause we’re geniuses, but just by looking at the data in Israel, by looking at the data in Europe. And that’s why we’re not that optimistic that it’s gonna be a very good winter here in the United States.

BUCK: A little disappointing to see here that (chuckles), first of all, over the eight-month study from the L.A. Times piece. This pretty broad study they did. Your vaccine protection after eight months basically goes down to 50%, which is roughly what you get with the flu shot. Okay? So after eight months, you’re at flu shot level. But for the J&J vaccine? Oh, man.

What is the fast food chain, Clay, that you’re the least excited to go into ’cause, “I don’t know about the food-safety handling in here”? Whatever that would be, that’s the J&J vaccine equivalent. It drops down to 13%. Let’s be clear: That is not epidemiologically significant enough for anybody to think is really protection, right, 13%? If I told you, “Yeah, you might get bubonic plague. This will give you a 10%-or-more chance of not getting it,” you wouldn’t be like, “Oh, I’m fine.”

CLAY: Funnier to think the other way. You would still have a 90% chance basically of you getting covid after taking the J&J vaccine, eight months later, right?

BUCK: Not exactly what people thought they were signing up for.

CLAY: (laughing) Which is why the NBA is mandating now is booster. If you were an NBA player, Buck, you would count as vaccinated now, you would have to go get a booster for the J&J.

BUCK: Well, J&J is not mRNA technology, right? A lot of people one shot and it’s not this new technology that people have, you know, more questions than perhaps concerns about, it’s more traditional. But it just goes to show you, yeah, it drops all wait down ’cause it mutates rapidly. We have — and I know we gotta talk about Morgan Ortagus fileting the rise of Adam Schiff on TV in a second.

But we have a template for what we’re dealing with, which is how do we deal with cold, and how do we deal with flu viruses as a society on a regular basis? There are things you do. You stay away if you’re sick. Flu shots exist. But we don’t shut everything down and everyone panic. Covid was more dangerous than the flu. It is now, if you get the shot in particular but in general as well, close to what you’d be dealing with in a flu situation. So we go back to life. That’s what we should do.