BUCK: You know CNN’s favorite doctor used to be in charge of Planned Parenthood, which sure you all know how I feel about that. But here she is, Dr. Leana Wen, saying that the vaccine mandates that were announced yesterday don’t go far enough.

WEN: When it comes to employers, I think what the Biden administration did was — was quite brilliant because it gives air cover for businesses that have wanted to do this, that have wanted to put vaccine mandates in place but they didn’t want to have their employees complain about them.

Now they can say, ‘Hey, we didn’t really want to do this, but the administration, the federal government is making us do it.” It also helps to level the playing field so that people aren’t then going to threaten to go to another workplace. If every workplace has that same requirement, that’s a good thing. So I don’t think it’s overreach. I think this is what’s needed in the middle of the pandemic — and I think the Biden administration, if anything, could have gone even further.

BUCK: Could have gone further — and, Clay, I think you’re right, by the way. It will be completely dependent on case counts. But if we are at 100,000-plus cases a day on a seven-day rolling average, where we are right now, at about —

CLAY: We’re at 150, 150K-ish, right, like on average right now.

BUCK: So if we’re at a level that is well beyond what the Fauci consensus thinks is acceptable, they’re roll out a few more things, and they’re really just gonna make it so there’s nowhere to hide. Unless you’re gonna go totally off the grid and not work for anybody, not go to any business, you’re gonna end up either getting the shot or forging the paperwork from the shot — which, I’m gonna tell you this, too: They’re gonna start cracking down on that a whole lot more as well.