BUCK: I often tell you that Fauci has been reliably wrong for 40 years on big questions, or important health questions. I’m not just saying that. We got the receipts, as they say. We got the proof of it. Here’s Fauci in 1983 talking about the risk of living in the same household as somebody with HIV.

FAUCI: We’re seeing virtually, as the months go by, other groups that can be involved. And — and seeing it in children is really quite disturbing.

REPORTER: You say “other close contact.” Give me some examples.

FAUCI: Well, for example, if — if the close contact of the child savings and loan a household contact, perhaps there will be a certain number of cases and individuals who are just living with and in close contact with someone with AIDS or at risk of AIDS who do not necessarily have, uhh, to have intimate sexual contact or share a needle but just the ordinary close contact that one sees in normal interpersonal relationships.

BUCK: Think about this, Clay. Here’s a guy who’s telling people — which we know is, by the way, is 100% not the case, absolutely false. Think of all the fear, all the terror, all the marginalization for those who had HIV that they would suffer as a result of this top doctor telling everybody, “Yeah, just living in a house with somebody could have gotten you AIDS.”

CLAY: Well, I think it speaks to Fauci’s ability to immediately embrace worst-case scenarios.

BUCK: Yes.

CLAY: And then be very comfortable spreading those worst-case scenarios such that panic ensues, and this is why I keep talking about, Buck, about, “How do you land the plane?” How do you land the plane when so many parents are convinced that their kids are in mortal peril from covid? How do you get people to get back to normal life when Dr. Fauci has convinced them that they’re going to die of covid?

It’s amazing, and probably shouldn’t surprise anybody. But this is a clear pattern in Dr. Fauci’s medical career that he takes the most fearful, the scariest potential outcome, and spreads it around the United States using his expertise as a doctor as justification for his perspective. I think it’s important the conversation we just had with Dr. Marty Makary.

Why is Dr. Marty Makary — reasonable, rational, thoughtful, looking at data, presenting it in an intelligent manner — not receiving anywhere near the same amount of attention as Dr. Fauci? Imagine how much different the nation’s response to covid would have been if instead of Fauci at the head of the NIH we had had Dr. Marty Makary or many other doctors out there leading our response? Everything would be different.

BUCK: It’s just nice to hear from another esteemed MD who’s — not in his words, I’ll use my words — will tell us the truth, which is that Fauci is an evil little tyrant Smurf.