CLAY: We started off the show talking about this, and I don’t think it will get that much attention. The murder rate in 2020 increased the largest percentage in over a hundred years. You would think that would be worthy of a multiday discussion. “Hey, why did that happen? Let’s talk about the thousands of people who lost their lives as a result of that skyrocketing murder rate.”

But what happens is, shootings in inner cities, shootings that involve minorities — certainly shootings that involve minority victims where the alleged perpetrator is not white — they don’t exist in terms of the media’s willingness to cover them, and people know this.

White, black, Asian, Hispanic. And, in fact, if you are the parent of a young black shooting victim, you know that no one is going to care and that the media is not even gonna fairly cover it. Unless it is a white person and your kid is black, that story doesn’t get any attention in the media.

BUCK: And, Clay, I think it’s also worth taking a moment here for everyone. We have this data about the thousands of additional homicides in 2021.

CLAY: Right.

BUCK: Remember 2021, the data comes late in these things, right? So we now know, obviously BLM, the anti-cop narrative, these things, were all the reasons for this unprecedented-in-a-hundred years spike in murders. But while that’s going on, we all know that’s — and, by the way, the murder rate is still high in cities.

CLAY: It may go up in 2021 again, smaller percentage.

BUCK: I was curious, by the way, because we had a few people tell us when we were in Birmingham, Clay, Birmingham has one of the highest per capita homicide rates of any city in the country. In fact, by some estimates it’s in the top three.

CLAY: Yes.

BUCK: I believe it’s third in the nation, which was very sad to see ’cause otherwise we had such a great time down there and so many nice people. But obviously that’s a city that’s going through a rough patch with crime, as is my home city up here in New York. But, Clay, while that’s going on, the Department of Justice — the attorney general of the United States, highest law enforcement officer this country — puts out a statement not saying, “We are going to double down on federal resources to assist fusion centers with local law enforcement, to assist in high-profile investigations of gangs for RICO violations, for drug trafficking, for human smuggling.”

No. With all this going on in the background, the huge spike in homicides, they put out a “You better watch yourself, parents! Say anything a little too saucy at that teacher meeting, and the FBI’s gonna come for you.” The FBI are now the left-wing speech police.

CLAY: They may be showing up at my door ’cause I spoke out against mask mandates and against the stupid and irrational and anti-science idea that young children 5 and 6 years old should be wearing masks.

BUCK: Lawyer Clay, important safety tip. What do you say when the FBI says they want to talk to you?

CLAY: You say nothing at all.

BUCK: Nothing!

CLAY: Nothing.

BUCK: You don’t say, “Just a little bit. Let’s have a conversation.” Nothing. You say, “You can be in touch with my lawyer.” That is it.

CLAY: Everybody thinks they can talk their way out of trouble. And I am here to tell you as a lawyer, my advice is anytime the police show up and want to question you… I’m not saying like if there’s a crime and you’re trying to help, right? I’m saying like somebody knocks on your door and they say, “The FBI is here,” you say nothing at all.

BUCK: I can tell you working terrorism investigations in the intel unit of the NYPD, Clay — and the FBI would often work alongside us — the favorite thing was when somebody who was caught up in a terrorism investigation said, “I’ll talk my way through this.” FBI guys love that —

CLAY: Oh, yeah. A hundred percent.

BUCK: — ’cause they’ll get you on a 1001, and now you’re looking at five, and now they can really turn screws.