BUCK: One thing that we know is that science is not consensus, and certainty is not fact, that you should always leave open the possibility with new evidence, new data, that you should change your conclusions. And if you have imperfect, highly imprecise data, you shouldn’t pretend you know everything, which is exactly what has happened at various stages of the pandemic in this country and the expert class, the blue-check MDs.

Let’s be honest: The Democrat lockdowners, they’ve acted like they’ve known everything at every stage. Ron Johnson was asked about this — Senator Ron Johnson from Wisconsin — on Sunday when it came specifically to some of the medicines people are talking about, “Well, do we know more about Ivermectin now? Do we know more about what was the truth of the hydroxychloroquine, azithromycin situation from the early days? Do we have full data on it?”

Here what he said.

JOHNSON: Dr. Fauci happened! Media arrogance. Social media censorship happened. But we all know that Dr. Fauci, he’s not a modest man. You know, if you questioned what he did, apparently you’re questioning science itself but you can look at how he stage-managed the covid crisis and call it anywhere close to a success. Six-hundred thousand people died? Trillions of dollars of economic devastation?

He ignored early treatment. He probably helped sabotage the use of some of these things. And you have to understand that Dr. Fauci, people in the health agencies, the media, the social media they will never admit they were wrong on this because, if they do, they’re gonna have to admit that literally hundreds of thousands of people didn’t have to lose their lives but for their censorship, their arrogance, and Dr. Fauci’s mismanagement.

BUCK: Oh, Dr. Fauci is science, though, Clay, and, if he were here, he’d say (impression), “Clay, where is your mask? I can feel your unvaccinated droplets hitting me in the face.”

CLAY: That’s a pretty good Fauci impersonation. I’m not gonna lie. But this is, to me, probably the most infuriating part of this entire process is the fact that we haven’t been able to have a real debate about the appropriate responses. We failed. I believe that our response to covid is the single greatest American failure since the Vietnam War.

I really do.

And what I hope is that in the same way that we got an accounting of the Vietnam War — and that was the best and the brightest who put us in the Vietnam War as well — I hope we’re gonna get a full accounting of all the failures that we saw in covid. I fear that we will not, because it will make people like Fauci and the left-wing mask mafia looking like the idiots that they are. And it will actually hold them accountable. And they’ll have to be recognized for all of the errors that they made and why they’re so significant.