CLAY: Pamela doesn’t agree with us. She’s fired up. Pamela, what you got?

PAMELA: Hello there. Thank you so much for taking my call. I know I’m not from LA County, but, yeah, you guys just have me totally fired up. First thing I gotta say is I love Rush, may he rest in peace, and I just wanted to put that out there that I am so sad that he is gone.

But the thing that you guys, the ignorance behind this conversation is astounding.

CLAY: What are we ignorant about, Pamela?

PAMELA: There is science out there, there is data out there, you just gotta look in the right places. So there’s a reason why we haven’t had — how many people have you known that have had the cold or the common flu and all that this year? Things have dropped down because of wearing the mask, because of washing the hands —

CLAY: No, no, a big part of that, hold on, Pamela, is because the cold and the flu usually originates where people have different seasons than us, and we didn’t allow travel to occur.

BUCK: Yeah, the flu comes out of China, actually, year in, year out, and it spreads through international travel, which was shut down.

PAMELA: Okay. It doesn’t always just spread from international travel. So the flu is the flu, whatever. But there is data that masks do work. Why is it that the surgeons have to wear masks in surgery? Oh, it’s in case there is any blood splatter it doesn’t get into their mouth.

BUCK: No, that would be — if we were trying to prevent — if we were trying to prevent plenty of blood spatter — no, no, hold on multiply if we were trying to plenty of blood spatter — covid is not spread —

PAMELA: Let me finish my thought. Hold on.

BUCK: No, no, but it’s actually our show. So —

PAMELA: I understand, but let me finish my thought before you comment so you can see the whole gist of what I’m saying.

CLAY: But if you say things that are definitely wrong, then —

PAMELA: No.

CLAY: Put her on pause for a second. The theory here is, if you say things that are demonstrably false and then try to build on things that are demonstrably false to make your conclusion, then if we don’t point out demonstrably false things that you are saying, then the conclusion can’t in any way logically follow.

BUCK: We’re building a house on a faulty foundation here. I mean, talking about the surgeons — by the way, that’s in a clinical setting, it’s kept on the entire time. What we have in restaurants and planes, whatever, is mask on, mask off, mask on, mask off, which is an absurdity, even based on what she seems to think, which is that masks are highly effective infiltration of the particles, which they are not, by the way. If you believe a handkerchief is going to stop aerosolized covid, you know nothing about microbiology or the basics of fifth grade science. But go ahead.

CLAY: Pamela, when we go to a restaurant, do you think it makes sense that you take your mask off when you sit down to eat?

PAMELA: I don’t go into a restaurant. I’m not going into a restaurant.

CLAY: You haven’t been in a restaurant in over a year?

PAMELA: I’ll go outside but I’m not going into restaurant.

BUCK: She’s a Fauciite.

PAMELA: The other point I need to make is you guys need to understand, not everybody is able to get the vaccine. I have allergic reactions and my mom has allergic reactions to injectable medications, to other vaccines.

CLAY: So, everyone else in the whole world has to make a choice about your particular situation?

PAMELA: The American population is a spoiled rotten, self-centered population. And they —

CLAY: My population is spoiled and —

PAMELA: Okay.

CLAY: — self-centered? Pamela, you just called in and that said we all need to adjust our behavior because of your situation. If somebody were going to be making demands on other people based on their situation, that is the antithesis of freedom, right? When you say, hey, because of me you have to change.

BUCK: We’ve actually got some business to conduct here.

CLAY: Your fears can’t define my freedom. Right? And I think that’s the way most people are thinking now as it pertains to covid. We have to sell.

BUCK: Pamela, I appreciate that she called in and dealt with national-level radio, but, I mean, at the end of the day, I mean, people have a mental illness now because of all the fear around covid and they can’t adjust to the numbers when it actually comes to risk factors — this is what you got.

CLAY: It’s all emotion instead of fact.

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BUCK: Getting spicy here for a second on the Clay Travis & Buck Sexton Show. I am Buck. Welcome back. Whenever you are calling into a radio show, you’re entering someone else’s domain; so I do give credit to people who call in who want to argue with the host, although it’s hard to — ’cause we want to avoid the cross-talk so you were able to hear everything but Clay and I have an idea and I want to throw this out here and you guys can tweet at us let us know what you think @BuckSexton, @ClayTravis, and @ClayandBuck for the show handle.

Do you want to us start our lines up once a week only for people who disagree with us on something, doesn’t have to be contentious argument, but really disagree with my contention that Lululemon brigades… whatever it may be.

CLAY: Whatever it can be. We obviously share a ton of opinions with you guys every single day, and so would it make sense — I kind of like the idea to just be, hey, pick a day of the week and a particular segment during the course of the show, and if you have had issue with anything that we have said — we’ve been on a month now; so I’m sure that every single person out there hasn’t agreed with every single thing — you can call in and take issue with whatever opinions we have put out there.

BUCK: We could call it Throwdown Thursday.

CLAY: Oh, yeah.

BUCK: That’s right.

CLAY: So on Throwdown Thursday, you could call in just like Pamela just did and argue with us about masks and covid and —

BUCK: It was spicy. I give her credit. Spicy, she wasn’t even letting the hosts speak on the hosts’ show. Remarkable.

CLAY: Some people love that contentiousness. And, look, I like conflict. I think conflict is healthy. That’s how you typically can get to better results. And so if people like that idea, we could start to adopt it.