To lawyer and history expert Clay, when it comes to racism and America, it’s an open-and-shut case that in no way requires a lecture from Secretary of State Antony Blinken or the United Nations.

“The U.N. is going to lecture us?” Clay exclaimed in exasperation of Blinken’s invitation to representatives of the organization to visit the U.S. to “combat racial injustice” and tell us how racist they think we are. “You can’t point to any country in the world with a better record of race relations than the United States.”

Current and past events prove that, such as the Olympics next week in Japan, a country where outsiders can’t become citizens. Or U.S. policy that any pregnant woman who crosses the border and has a child has produced a new U.S. citizen, leading Clay to conclude:

“The openness of America to people who look different and come from all over the world in terms of immigration is without parallel virtually anywhere in the history of the world.”

Clay’s deep dives into history also came into play in amplifying his argument. As almost no one ever has, and won’t “because of the 1619 Project and critical race theory,” he reminded that, although it is usually the U.S. that is singled out, only 4% of African slaves ended up in the U.S. and that is more “a stain on the world as a whole.” He also added that Great Britain bears some responsibility since the U.S. was colonies then:

“If you’re angry about slavery in America, most of your anger should be directed towards Great Britain, because Great Britain was who was in charge of American slavery for most of our history.”

In general, he said, “constant self-flagellation” in the U.S. about racism is unwarranted.

Buck agreed, pointing out history of worldwide slavery and places where it’s still going on “that no one ever talks about.” Mainly he concurred about Blinken’s directive to the U.N. being laughable, saying incredulously: “The U.N. lecturing us on anything is just too much to bear without at least saying, ‘What the heck is going on?’”