CLAY: Fox News has a story today. Today is, what, supposed to be transgender awareness day or something like that, if I’m not mistaken?

BUCK: Yes.

CLAY: Is that correct?

BUCK: Something like. Exactly. Blinken tweeted it out. Just also throw in the mix here, Clay, that as of April 11th, “U.S. citizens will be able to select X as their gender marker on passports.” So now it’s going on official federal documents, you can go nongender.

On Transgender Day of Visibility, we recognize the achievements and resilience of transgender, nonbinary, and gender non-conforming persons worldwide. We continue to work to ensure their ability to live authentically, safely, and with dignity. #TDOV

— Secretary Antony Blinken (@SecBlinken) March 31, 2022

CLAY: Well, doesn’t that seem like a potential security issue to not have to note your sex on your passport?

BUCK: Of course. It certainly makes it easier to engage in fraud and, you know, to use passports for people who aren’t supposed to use them. But beyond that — or just in addition, I should say — it is Transgender Day of Visibility. That’s the name.

CLAY: Okay. That is what it is called today. Okay. So Fox News has got a story up, and as I read this it got more and more crazy to me. This is the headline: “Biden Administration Endorses Transgender Youth Sex-Change Operations, Top Surgery, Hormone Therapy — The White House is encouraging gender reassignment surgery, puberty blockers, hormone therapy for transgender minors.”

I just want to say this. I’m trying to think how to say it in a way that is succinct so I’m gonna do my best. It’s child abuse in my opinion to change the gender of a minor. The idea that you would be removing and changing the sex, the genitals of a 12-year-old is completely indefensible madness, period, okay? I’ve got three kids.

Anyone out there who has kids — and if you don’t have kids, think about in your own life. How rational are young kids when it comes to making major life choices? Buck, we don’t allow kids under 21 to buy a beer legally. And we are going to allow minors to decide what gender they are and to have sex-change operations?

BUCK: It’s actually worse than that, Clay, because they’re really advocating for this, meaning you’re supposed to celebrate this. The whole point of the Biden administration putting out these papers is so that everyone knows when a 12-year-old or a 10-year-old now says, “I think I’m a girl” when they’re a boy, the response is supposed to be, “Great!

“Now let’s talk about how we can give you gender changing hormone therapy,” as well as — as you pointed out — “top therapy,” which is — let’s be very clear about this — the removal of healthy female breast tissue. When we’re talking about the “bottom therapy” is a removal of healthy male genitalia in the case of transitioning to a woman. There is a… I’m just going to say this.

There is a psychological condition — it does exist, it is in the literature — where people believe that they should not have a limb that they do, and they want it to be surgically removed. Now, we recognize that… When someone says, “I shouldn’t have this left arm, I don’t want it,” we recognize that as mental illness. No doctor is going to say, “I will put you under anesthesia and remove your healthy left arm.”

Let’s be very clear. When you’re talking about some of the therapies for minors that the Biden administration is putting out here, you are removing healthy tissue. You are engaged in mutilation of a healthy body, and the long-term consequences… This is on the NIH! I’m not on crazy, right-wing, doesn’t approve of trans.com or something. This is on the NIH right now, Clay.

“As a consequence of pharmacological treatment received by patients who have transitioned, there are unintended systemic changes that may occur. These include increased cardiovascular risk in both trans women and trans men, significant increase of body mass index,” a lot of weight gain, “and systolic and diastolic blood pressure in trans men, osteoporosis at the lumbar spine and distal arm in trans women.

“Adverse effects include venous thromboembolism, fractures, cardiovascular disease, stroke, and hormone-dependent cancers.” Those are for adults trans patients, the risks that they put out there. Think about this. That’s based on… This is just pharmacological treatment. This isn’t even the removal of like male gonads, for example. This isn’t even the stuff they’re talking about. They want to do this to kids, Clay?

CLAY: It’s child abuse, and look, if you reach the age of majority, and you decide that you want to pay to be the gender that is different than the one that you were born from, that is your choice, right? But if you’re doing it to a 10-year-old, and we’re going to allow this to happen, it’s child abuse. It shouldn’t be permitted.

And I would just come back again and again to the reason why we even have ages of majority and ages of minority is because we believe until you reach the age of 18, you aren’t even responsible for the choices that you make. That’s why we have juvenile courts, because you may make the decision to rob a convenience store when you’re 14, and we don’t want that judgment — that error — that you made to stick with you for the rest of your life.

We believe that by the time you become an adult, you can make a different choice. The idea that we would allow this to occur at all, the idea that there are doctors that would do this, that there are parents that would do this, is pure madness. It’s madness to me that it exists. The fact that a president and his political party would be advocating for it, I don’t understand.

I mean, Buck, what percentage of Americans do you…? I mean, ’cause this what I look at it. I don’t even understand. There’s no way that Joe Biden actually believes this, right? Let’s start here. Joe Biden, there’s no way that he believes that a 10-year-old should have surgery… I mean, he’s 78 years old —

BUCK: Joe Biden never really believed anything. He does whatever the Democrat Party wants him to do. But, yes, you’re right. As a person, if you pushed him aside and asked him, no way.

CLAY: I would love for Joe Biden to get asked the question about the Penn transgender swimmer, which I haven’t seen him asked. There’s no way that he… I believe he’s a sports fan. There’s no way that he agrees with that. But to think that a 10-year-old, and to think that a major American political party could put this out and be endorsing it? I can’t imagine that there’s more than 15 or 20% of Americans that would even countenance this. It makes me sick to even think about this happening to a 10-year-old.

BUCK: It’s the hard left, but they run the party now unfortunately. They run the Democrat Party. They call the shots within the Democrat Party, which is why we’re seeing a Biden administration that is so just disastrous in its results because there’s an irrational cabal of leftists that are really the ones who actually push this party — and, by the way, it’s not just elected officials.

It’s activists. It’s media entities. It’s social media companies. But, Clay, look at what’s gone on even just in the last couple of weeks. Suddenly, there’s this enormous outcry against preventing teachers in Florida from talking about trans and “gender affirmation” and sexuality and all that stuff for kindergarteners — and weren’t not exaggerating.

Kindergarten, first grade, second grade. There’s a huge outcry from the left about this, and they have to say the “don’t say gay” bill which is just… That’s not even a thing. It doesn’t exist. But they’re trying to strike it down; they’re trying to attack it and everybody who supports it — including the 52% of Democrats in the state of Florida who support it, by the way.

CLAY: Yes.

BUCK: It’s 52% of Democrats in the polling. But when you look at also, then, at what happened with Disney, they came out against it. And then you had people giving speeches. Everybody in Disney’s supposed to watch this video, I suppose, where they’re hearing the chief president — or chief content officer, the president of content — say that she has a pansexual and transgender — you know, one of each — child, and how they want to push this ideology on children.

They want this to be something that your kids when they’re watching cartoons are being programmed in. And then today, the Biden administration releases documents encouraging gender-reassignment surgery and hormone treatments for minors specifically, for kids, for teenagers, for preteens. How can you not see this, right, and how can you not put all these things together and say:

“There really is an agenda here to brainwash children and use them as pawns in this trans agenda that the left has adopted wholesale.” I have friends… I’ve talked about the this before, Clay. I have friends in the gay and lesbian community who are seeing this, and they’re saying, “What is going on here?” It’s all trans now. Everything from the left is about the trans agenda.

CLAY: You’re right.

BUCK: It’s all about transgenderism. There’s not even, you know — and the entities, the organizations that used to be about equal rights for gays, equal rights for lesbians, that’s now all fallen away. They’re all-in on this trans agenda and specifically for kids! And if you even talk about some of the long-term effects, if you do a study of rapid-onset gender dysphoria, which was the term used in that Brown University study of little kids who are around other transgender kids suddenly become much more likely to be transgender by a massive percentage and proportion.

Maybe that’s because kids are impressionable and don’t have a framework of judgment, to your point about who’s a minor and why we have the laws we do, and the left wants to go after them and say, “Oh, you’re 12? You’re gonna be a woman? Let’s actually do bottom and top surgery, put you on hormone therapy, and hope we haven’t ruined your life.” By the way, sterility is another huge risk from these procedures.

CLAY: Of course, and I just come back to: Let’s think about the choices that we allow minors to make. You can’t buy a beer until you’re 21. In theory, you can’t buy a ticket to an R-rated movie, I think, until you’re 18. You can’t serve in the military until you’re 18 years old. You can’t buy a gun. You can’t even rent a car ’til, what, Buck, you’re like 25?

You can’t drive a car ’til you’re 16, and we’re gonna let a 10-year-old decide to have their genitals removed? Just think about this. Think about this. For everybody out there driving around, this is a position that is utterly indefensible. Again, if you are of age, if you are 18 or older, and you want to make that choice, I think that you should have the right to make that choice.

There can be all sorts of debates about that for adults. People can have different opinions on that. I don’t understand how there is any other opinion other than, “This is child abuse” when it comes to 10-year-olds removing body parts to try to make them another gender.

BUCK: It’s all essentially a part of a children can determine this, because they want to make it seem as though children are born a certain way and need to have “affirmation.” It used to be “gender transition.” Now they call it “gender affirmation,” and so the younger the affirmations are occurring, the more it seems as though this isn’t a psychological condition or choice — which, by the way, the only basis for this is psychological, right?

They’re not talking about gender transitioning people who are born intersex. That’s not the discussion or debate. The Biden White House put this out today. They’re doubling down on this agenda right now, given all we’ve seen can Disney and the bill in Florida and everything else. It tells you a lot, folks.

CLAY: It makes me wonder, too, what percentage of kids do you think end up regretting the choice, right? When you’re 10, if you suddenly get your genitals chopped off, how many people when they’re 20, they’re like, you know, I wish I hadn’t done that?

BUCK: By the way, unfortunately —

CLAY: I bet it’s a huge percentage.

BUCK: — there’s a lot of woke cowardice in the medical community now as we saw all throughout covid.

CLAY: Oh, yeah, of course.

BUCK: — not with the doctors who are doing their best. I’ll talking about the doctors who are blue checks going on TV and saying, “Triple mask your kids in school ’cause I worship Fauci.” The medical community is full of a lot of cowardice on this issue too. They will not speak the truth about the long-term consequences and effects of this transition process and what the 10-year, 15, 20-year outlook is, Clay. It is bleak, bleak for many, many people who do this, from a health and mental health perspective — and that used to be well known, but now we’re not allowed to talk about it anymore.