CLAY: We talked about some about whether you can rely on the Supreme Court to potentially stand up to the federal government. Maybe. Maybe. Although the challenge there is it will likely take a substantial period of time before many of you there may be required by your employers to undertake a medical treatment based on federal governmental requirements.

And, crazily — crazily — many governors out there are meekly acquiescing. They aren’t even gonna fight back. To his credit, this is Ron DeSantis, governor of Florida. Even before Biden had officially made his comments, the news was coming out of what he was going to say. At least the governor of Florida is willing to fight. Here is Ron DeSantis.

DESANTIS: But I think forcing this and coercing people, I don’t think is the right decision. So I’d imagine that you’re gonna see a lot of activity in the courts if they try to do that through an executive action. I mean, Congress has never legislated this. This would just be him doing it on his own, and that’s not, I think, the way to do that.

BUCK: This is the federal apparatus deciding it. I mean, the Biden essentially saying, “I run the executive branch and now the executive branch can tell your business, ‘You have to get a shot or else.'” I mean, they’re gonna fine, what is it, $12,000, $14,000 a day they’re saying for businesses that do not comply with this? So you have to wonder, at some point, what is the point of a state government if something like this can just be decreed from the president? Under Biden’s theory of the Department of Labor, what can they not tell your business to do?

CLAY: That’s a great point, and that’s why I think it has to be considered flagrantly unconstitutional. To your point, though, so many of these businesses, they don’t want to go toe-to-toe. You know the legal cost… Like let’s see you have 105 employees. First of all, you might fire six people to get back to 99, right?

I’m sure there’s some guys out there, “Well, you know, so much for expansion. Like we’re not going over a hundred.” But the legal cost to go toe-to-toe with the federal government over this mandate is massive, and I don’t know how many big companies are going to be willing to go toe-to-toe. Even multibillion-dollar companies, I don’t think they want to pick a fight.

BUCK: Clay, I think most of them want to do it. A lot of big ones. I mean just think of the companies that come to mind. Disney, Google, Amazon, Facebook.

CLAY: Yes.

BUCK: All of those. I know that’s not the entire workforce and you’ve got, obviously, a lot of industries —

CLAY: But they’re massive. Amazon, all of them, yes.

BUCK: And once they start doing it, it’s going to have the downstream effects. This is what I have been trying to raise the alarm about and it’s been frustrating because people have had this — and I understand this feeling of, “I’m gonna wall myself up. I live in Kansas,” let’s say,” so what’s going on in New York or Los Angeles isn’t my problem.” When Trump was president there was some reason to feel that way, some truth about that.

CLAY: Yes.

BUCK: But the moment Joe Biden became president, if you’ve understand understood the lockdown, Fauciite mentality, it should have been very clear that they saw no actual impediment to the implementation of their will when it comes to covid policy. Whether it’s constitutional or otherwise, they don’t care. They’re going to make you from the top down. This is what we’ve been saying… In fact, Clay, here. We have this. This is from a month ago. I think this is right after we talked to a certain governor. This is what I said I think is gonna happen.

BUCK ARCHIVE: They’re going to make this… I’m telling you right now, the same way we told you that boosters were coming for everybody and having saying that now for months — I mean, we’ve been saying it together on this show; I’ve been saying it previously on my show and Clay on his. I’m telling you, they’re going to try, if they can get away with it, to use the Interstate Commerce Clause to have a federal mandate about travel, airplanes.

BUCK: Vaccines, all of it, right? (laughing) That was almost exactly a month ago. Now here right, right? When we say we’ve been telling you about this… I know people would say, “Oh, okay, Buck, they did the vaccine federal mandate and they’re calling it not a mandate because there’s an opt out about testing as though that’s real.

I think the travel one, that is, they know, the one that will get… Some of the hardest people to get to comply on this… There are people that, you know, they’ll switch jobs but if they can’t fly on a plane, Clay, they’re gonna get the shot.

CLAY: Well, people keep asking me. I told you I was out the other day with a couple buddies, and they were like, “Man, you’re like Neo in the Matrix, trying to dodge all this vaccine requirement,” ’cause I got natural immunity. That is, I think… Let’s talk about the Biden administration’s lies. But the fact that no one in the media is raising their hand and even getting them to comment.

Not Fauci. When’s the last time he read Fauci even asked about natural immunity? When have you ever heard Joe Biden? When have you ever heard Jen Psaki? We’re talking about over a hundred million people minimum, Buck: You and me and lots of people out there who know we had covid, tested positive, have covid antibodies. The Israeli data reflects that we have up to 27 times as much protection as people who get the vaccine, yet we’re the bad guys?

BUCK: And how does that also affect what we’re seeing with the vaccine rollout now? They don’t factor into this the fact that you have people who are gonna be either double immunized, in a sense — and also, we’ve talked about vaccine failure and how they need to be booster shots. So the people who have had covid, does their immunity fade?

I mean, you know, they can’t even… They don’t separate it, they don’t talk about it, they don’t care. It’s about getting everyone to comply with this. And I’m sorry, but I cannot forgive or forget that even in June, our future friend, Mr. Alex Berenson, was saying the vaccines are having problems with spread.

CLAY: Yes.

BUCK: Now they’re telling us, “Oh, breakthrough cases are so low.” It’s actually that low, and it’s certainly not what it was compared to what we were being told, which is a 95%, 90 to 95% absolute protection. So they were wrong about that a few months ago, and the numbers keep going in the wrong direction from the perspective of case spread. By the way, do you even trust the government at this point, really, to care enough about the spread of covid from breakthrough cases to give fair and honest numbers about it? What’s the primary consideration to get the shot?

CLAY: No. Do you trust anybody in the Biden White House, period? I mean, they are going back on every single thing that they said. They are straight-up lying. Joe Biden said there was never gonna be a vaccine mandate from the federal government. Nancy Pelosi said it. Rochelle Walensky at the CDC said it.

I’m sure we can go back and find Dr. Fauci saying it, since he said everything under the sun. And now they’re saying, “Oh, well, you have to do it,” and, again, if you follow the logic here, none of it adds up because the big fallacy here, Buck — leaving aside the constitutionality of it — is they can’t even guarantee us that if 100% of adults were vaccinated, that anything would be that much different because the vaccines have limited efficacy for a short period of time. Again, the question: How long does this mandate go on? For years? Because you’re gonna have to get boosters every six months potentially for years. I mean, that’s the reality, based on the data.

BUCK: And what happens when they finally have a booster that misses the variant. We do have some history of dealing with things like this with flu season, where there are times where there’s a particularly bad flu season and the flu vaccine — same Big Pharma companies. The flu vaccine is really very minimal in its effectiveness be they say, “Oh, it’s only 30 or 40% or maybe 50%.”

CLAY: That’s right.

BUCK: And then people are making decision “Okay, do I want to get this shot? I’m probably gonna be fine even if I get the flu and it’s only 50% at best effective anyway,” and people have been making those choices for a long time. We have eliminated in society right now — or it has been eliminated for us, I should say — the ability to make those kinds of decisions. Now you’re not allowed to make those kinds of decisions. Clay, what they agreed with us — what the Bidenistas and the Fauciites agreed — was reasonable six months ago is no longer reasonable. That’s where we are.

CLAY: And the point is, I think — and this is significant — this ain’t end of the road. Right? I think your point on at some point if things get worse in the fall and the winter, they are gonna mandate… I think you’re right. They’re gonna mandate a vaccine in order to get on an airplane and cross state lines. I think that’s where we’re coming.

BUCK: That’s when folks are gonna see that the only escape is to use power in opposition to their power, not to run and hide and hope that they don’t come for you, whether you’re just a citizen or a governor or anybody.