Ann Coulter Busts Out the Verbal Jiu-Jitsu

BUCK: Here in studio Ann Coulter, 13-time New York Times best-selling author. Her Substack, Unsafe I believe it’s called; is that right —

COULTER: Well, you go to it, AnnCoulter.Substack.com. So, it’s the same as my website, AnnCoulter.com. But insert Substack.

BUCK: There we go. Substack. We, I mean the whole news cycle today is focused on Martha’s Vineyard and the deportation, it seems, of 50 illegal migrants from the Vineyard to Cape Cod right away. What do you think about this tactic, this situation?

COULTER: DeSantis is a genius. At first, I was thinking, “Ah, the season is over; it’s kind of showy.” This is the most brilliant thing I’ve ever seen. It is funny. Even then I thought it is kind of funny, Martha’s Vineyard.

But I don’t know if you consume the liberal media as avidly as I do. New York Times instantly had an article, “Well, the people of Martha’s Vineyard are showing their compassion and the church and the volunteers”, and then Joy-Ann Reid last night, “Huh ho, this is how real Christians behave.”

An hour later, buses shipping them out. Video, “Get ’em on the buses.” So, DeSantis has got to just keep sending them. I mean, this is outrageous, these out — these states and cities that call themselves sanctuary cities.

When they are the most lily white, upper crust places. Yeah, okay, you take it. You start weeping about, “Oh, but they’re children.” Soon as they come to there, their lovely little all-white resort towns, “Ship ’em out.”

CLAY: You’ve been talking about the border for a long time, Ann. And obviously Trump in ’16 made it the signature issue of his campaign. But Buck and I talk all the time about the fact that almost no attention is given to the border at all. And people can say, “Oh, this is a big political stunt.”

But you just said it; isn’t it a brilliant political stunt on behalf of the Arizona, the Texas, and the Florida governors to be going to D.C., to New York, to Chicago, and now Martha’s Vineyard? We’ve talked more about the border and made it a front door issue right now —

COULTER: Yes.

CLAY: — in the midterms than I’ve seen in months, if not years.

COULTER: No, it is so brilliant, I think — I know their GoFundMe would throw you off immediately, but there are conservative versions of GoFundMe. And I think we need to start whatever the equivalent GoFundMe is to get these governors, Ducey, Abbott, and DeSantis to keep it up, keep it up, keep it up. Just keep sending. Overload Martha’s Vineyard so we can see the famous liberal compassion.

But I do want to correct you on one little thing, it drives me crazy about Republicans — not you, Clay — not just the border. No, legal immigration, it is something you cannot get the Republican Party to talk about. I mean, this is why I wrote In Trump We Trust and supported Donald Trump in 2016.

Ted Cruz’s version of this was no, we’ll just bring this as many Third World immigrants but we’ll do it legally. Okay. You still have the same culture-destroying, wage-suppressing effects. No. What Trump promised was a five-year moratorium. Promises made, promises betrayed.

BUCK: And we also have the Fetterman situation with Dr. Oz that we’ve been drilling down on this week. Fetterman — this is, first of all, I think the fact that he goes around everywhere dressed with the schlump — I’m wearing a hoodie right now, but this one is, you know, this is from one of our sponsors —

CLAY: You’re also —

COULTER: Not running for governor.

BUCK: I’m also not running for governor. But unjust anyone was calling me out for the hoodie-wearing. But this go goes around, he’s all schlumpy, and it seems to me like it’s condescending. It’s like he’s, you know, costume-playing a working-class guy. He actually had his parents paying his bills into his forties. His health issues are obvious, and then you find out that his plan for crime was —

COULTER: Release ’em all.

BUCK: — 30% of prisons, let them all out. I mean, who is voting for him in Pennsylvania? What is going on here?

COULTER: Well, right now the polls show the Democrat ahead in Pennsylvania and New York, my two upset races are Zeldin — Lee Zeldin in New York and Dr. Oz in Pennsylvania. And for Pennsylvania, exactly what you say, Buck, this guy is this hulking, weird looking, Michael Moore-style fellow, like you say.

Tattoos up and down his arm, the hoodie, the weird goatee thing, he looks like, what do they call, the Kanamit from Twilight Zone to serve man? Look it up. He looks exactly like those alien creatures. It’s a cookbook. But particularly his record on crime, and that’s what I wrote about this week because he’s a big, fat liar.

Look. It’s one thing he released more as lieutenant governor, released more murderers, criminals than any…the parole board ever has. He oversaw —

BUCK: 40% in Philadelphia, 40% of people in Philadelphia area prisons.

COULTER: And we’re talking about murderers, which he is now lying about. He’s a giving you bald-faced liar, and this was, you know, a huge…an awful…the Horton brothers, Lee and Dennis Horton, it was an awful, awful anti-Latino hate crime where they go into the Latino bar.

Dennis — Dennis Horton blows away the Latino bartender, then shoots two other Hispanics in the bar, obviously an anti-Latino hate crime. And his brother, Lee, just takes the wallet of the other guy, Robert Leaf goes around us and puts a gun to the customers’ heads and gets them to turn over their wallets.

They were sentenced to not only life in prison but life in prison plus another 18 years for the associated crimes. They were caught within minutes of leaving the bar. There was an eyewitness to the car pulling away describing the car and giving four of six license plate numbers. Within a minute the cops pull over this car.

That’s a pretty good description. And, lo and behold, there’s a recently fired rifle, the gun that Dennis Horton used to blow away the Latino bartender was a rifle.

Hard to conceal. They have a cockamamie story. It’s one thing if Fetterman — I totally disagree with him because they continue to deny their guilt — but it’s one thing if Fetterman says, “Ah, come on, they’ve served long enough, it’s been 27 years. It’s hard to employ ex-cons. Let’s give them another chance. They’re old and…”

Fine. Say that. But that’s not what he’s saying. He is lying. And he’s saying they were innocent, they were convicted, they were serving time in prison. This is part of what I wrote a lot about in my book Mugged and the Central Park rape, part of the left-wing strategy —

BUCK: The Central Park Five — we talked about this yesterday with Ken Burns, people now just take it, they say, “Oh, they were proven innocent.” That’s not true.

COULTER: They were guilty as sin. It’s in my booked Mugged and you’ll notice there’s this obsession, they don’t care if an innocent person goes to prison, as long as the public loses faith in the criminal justice system. As long as you feel like you can’t trust a trial. There are no…the only innocent people who have ever gone to prison are the ones who were gone after for political reasons by liberal prosecutors. Well, I won’t list them. But —

BUCK: There’s a lot of them.

COULTER: Those are the only ones. The Proud Boys.

CLAY: And you mentioned New York and Pennsylvania, your upsets. I want to make sure we mention this because we’re gonna talk to both of these women next week. Oregon governor’s race, the Cook political report just shifted it from lean Democrat to a toss-up.

COULTER: Amazing.

CLAY: I know our listeners out in Portland are not surprised by this ’cause the murder rate has skyrocketed there, and there is a great deal of anger. And then the other one, Ann, that is not getting a lot of attention is the Washington Senate race.

When you look at what Tiffany Smiley is doing there, she’s going to be on with us, she’s giving Patty Murray a real run in Washington State. We know what’s gone on in Seattle. I think the Seattle-Portland disasters, Christine Drazan is the person who’s running in Oregon. Those would be two seismic shifts —

COULTER: Yes.

CLAY: — in the Pacific Northwest where Republicans have a real chance because of what has occurred in Seattle and Portland. I’m sure you’ve been there, Ann. Those are beautiful cities —

COULTER: They were.

CLAY: — the Democrats have destroyed.

COULTER: Yes, they have. Well, I hope Republicans are paying attention. You notice what all of these races have in common? They’re all about crime. Crime, crime, crime. We can win on crime. Buck, you remember when Giuliani was first elected, he was down in the polls, but you had Democrats, Upper West Side liberals, “Oh, yeah, I’m voting for David Dinkins” and then they get into the privacy of the voting booth and they’ve had it.

They’ve had it. They’re voting for law and order. This is how Republicans win, and it’s been driving me crazy and I’ve been talking about it on my Substack with Mickey Kaus. Crime, immigration, wokeness. I mean, Mitch McConnell plan is let’s sit back and coast on inflation. Well, inflation could change and people notice inflation. Please stop running on inflation. It’s crime, it’s crime, it’s crime.

BUCK: It’s amazing to hear — and we’re speaking to Ann Coulter. Subscribe to Ann’s Substack. Go to AnnCoulter.com. You can see more of this there. It’s amazing, Ann, to see how you have these horrific high-profile incidents. Clay brought up Eliza Fletcher in his hometown of Nashville —

CLAY: Memphis.

BUCK: Oh. Pardon me. Memphis in his home state.

CLAY: Mom jogging out at Memphis.

BUCK: And there was just this video of an execution of —

COULTER: I tweeted it.

BUCK: — a south Asian clerk in Mississippi who complied with all the armed robber’s requests, gave him the money, gave no resistance, got down on his knees, basically saying look, just don’t hurt me, take all the money, I will cause no problem.

Executed him in cold blood. He had already been convicted of multiple felonies, was out on parole and had an outstanding warrant for him while he was out on parole. It’s almost…and then they turn around, the Democrats, and they say, “Oh, we don’t know, maybe we should hire more social workers.”

COULTER: Yes. Yes, and we can’t. “Oh, and we have a mass incarceration problem. There are too many black bodies in prison.” This is the theme of my book Mugged. The Democrats, they just love in particular black criminals. Look, America. You got a choice.

You’re going to have a disproportionate number of black men in prison, not because blacks are more likely to be criminal, but there’s a larger cohort of criminals within the black population than there is, for example, among Asians. And the left-wing push on this is, “No, we must have exactly proportion numbers in the prison for arrests, for stop-and-frisk, for bail.”

If you’re going to demand equality, you’re gonna have a lot of crime. And it’s a good thing, you know, immigrants are arriving here and getting a look at the Democrats’ absolute sacrifice of everything to worship at the feet of black criminals. And boy, are they getting — immigrants getting that education fast.

BUCK: Ann Coulter, everybody, go to AnnCoulter.com, subscribe to her Substack. Ann, it was good to see you here.

COULTER: Good to see you.