CLAY: You know Morgan Ortagus. I don’t know her at all.

BUCK: She was chief of comms, essentially, at the State Department under Trump, yeah.

CLAY: Okay. So she was on The View, and they had Adam Schiff on, and everybody out there will remember, Adam Schiff. Of all the congresspeople, senators, anybody in the country who’s an elected official, I think it’s fair to say he was probably the foremost proponent of the idea of Russia collusion. Would you agree with that, of any congressman or senator?

BUCK: The biggest liar in Congress about Russia collusion, the most shameless liar, Adam Schiff, yes.

CLAY: Okay. So, he does media all the time. It’s all kid gloves, nobody ever asks him real questions, and he probably thought that he was rolling into The View where they have that idiot, Joy Behar, and Whoopi Goldberg. I don’t even know who’s still on The View. But there are very few people who actually have functional brains. So, he probably thought that he was going in for a nice, happy-go-lucky interview.

And then I just want to play you these two questions, ’cause Schiff’s responses are awful. But if you believe that it is the job of people who are asking questions to hold officials in positions of power to the height of their responsibility, listen to these two questions. Morgan Ortagus absolutely fillets Adam Schiff. So. Listen to these.

ORTAGUS: I gotta ask you about something that’s in the news a lot right now. Um, y-you’ve been really prolific over the past few years, being the head of the Intel Committee. And you’ve defended, promoted — you even read into the Congressional Record — the Steele dossier. And we know last week, the main source of the dossier was indicted by the FBI for lying about most of the key claims in that dossier.

Do you have any reflections on your role in promoting this to the American people? And, to be clear, he was fired halfway through the campaign. But you make — spread Russia disinformation yourself for years by promoting this. I think that’s what Republicans — and what people who entrusted you as the Intel Committee chair — are so confused about your culpability in all of this. No, I think just your credibility is…

BUCK: I mean, he didn’t have any real answers.

CLAY: No.

Morgan Ortagus confronts Adam Schiff about the Steele dossier #TheView pic.twitter.com/Lhtow0o6QE

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BUCK: We could play the answers, but just so you know, his actual responses were along the lines of, “Oh, but Trump did bad things with pardoning people,” or, “unlike the other administration…” It was all deflection. He has nothing now. All along it was, “Oh, well, there’s what we can’t prove we don’t know or there’s what we don’t know for sure but we don’t have the answer.” It was all just smoke and mirrors and bull crap.

Adam Schiff was the little evil prince of bull crap. He was the Prince Joffrey of it. And here we have him now finally caught on this, and unfortunately Democrat voters for them it was a useful anti-Trump maneuver; so they don’t care that it was all lies. I think a lot of people knew, Clay, it was all kind of a wink and a nod, that Trump really colluded with Russia to steal the whole thing was so stupid from the beginning.

The president actually — well, former president — told me in the Oval Office. I’ll never forget this. It was the first time I sat down with the president in the Oval in 2018. He’s just like, “Russia collusion? It’s not even a good idea. It won’t even work. It’s crazy!” It’s true.

CLAY: It’s funny because the only way it worked is if it influenced voters. So there’s another step beyond the collusion itself because the collusion itself had to lead to voters changing their opinion in the election based on the success of the collusion so wasn’t even a direct response thing. It still would have required another step, right? So there’s not even a very efficient idea of collusion or conspiracy or whatever you want to label it. But what I found the most fascinating about that interplay we just played is how rare it is for a person in position of power to actually sit for an interview in any way where they are challenged about the lies that they have told. Almost never happens.

BUCK: One of the big problems we have in the media right now is that it has become completely normalized for people to never have to actually defend the things that they say; they never are actually challenged on it. And that’s become something that now, you will not turn on CNN or MSNBC and see a person who will actually make the case for the other side in a meaningful way. If anything, they’ll just get clay pigeons. This all true over the place — “clay pigeons” meaning people that go on TV just to get obliterated and look stupid. They’ll do this in some places. Or they’ll have Republicans whose only job is to hate Republicans and hate Trump.

CLAY: Like Lincoln Project.

BUCK: Yeah, Lincoln Project which the whole thing is a sham and a scam. Everybody should just know at this point the left-wing media has an abusive relationship with the truth, Russia collusion has proved that, and it’s up to all of you to not actually allow that abusive relationship to continue by giving them any credibility. They deserve scorn. They do not deserve to be trusted. They are not journalists. They are not ethical. They are a propaganda machine meant for the perpetuation of the socialist revolution that’s going on right now in our very own midst. That’s really what they do.

CLAY: And they don’t ever get held to account for it. That’s what’s so crazy. Not only are they a propaganda machine that spreads lies, they reward each other. They give each other Pulitzers. They have all these fancy events where they all get together. And there’s absolutely no acknowledgment of the lies that they spread. They’re so focused on the idea of sowing disinformation and of discord in democracy, and they refuse to look in the mirror and recognize that they are the ones that cause it.