BUCK: Sometimes we on the conservative side of things, we get a little bit wrapped up for a moment in, “Oh, wow! Look! A celebrity said something that made sense,” you know? A celebrity that maybe we weren’t expecting to get political at all or perhaps it’s just somebody who hadn’t heard much about in a while and you had this moment where you go, “Oh. I wonder how this will be handled!”

So just a few days ago — and by “handled,” I mean by the lib media, by the Democrat apparatus. Macy Gray is a singer, recording artist. One year — am I right on this one, Clay? — she won a bunch of Grammys. She had a really big year some years ago. Maybe 10 years ago? Does that sound about right?

CLAY: Yeah. I was gonna look her up. I know the name, but I was similar to you in that I was like, I don’t really remember why she became famous or a when it was, but, yes. She had a couple of songs that were super famous.

BUCK: She had a couple of big songs about a decade ago. Those of us like me celebrate the movie Training Day for which Denzel Washington actually received the best actor award that he should have gotten for some other movies, including Malcolm X. Training Day is a great movie. Macy Gray actually makes a cameo in Training Day, and if you haven’t seen that movie, you’re just looking for a good watch… Have you guys all seen that one here in New York? Have you seen Training Day? Very, very good movie. Ethan Hawke very good in it too. Gotta give credit where due. Anyway, Macy Gray is in that. She was on Piers Morgan’s show, and she said something that had a lot of us go, “Oh, this is gonna be interesting.”

CLAY: Good for her.

BUCK: Play 16.

Singer @MacyGraysLife has a point. pic.twitter.com/ZykOfCatCh

— MRCTV (@mrctv) July 7, 2022

BUCK: Can I just…? What she said there is the most basic of fact imaginable. What she said is 100% true. It is as true as 2 + 2 = 4. There can be no dispute. You’ll never find anybody who can credibly claim that the changing of the parts actually makes the parts what they would be for the other sex. That actually can’t do that. They can try to make it somewhat similar in appearance, but they can’t actually make that transformation to make somebody a woman who is in fact a man or a man who is in fact a woman. Clay, I know we saw this and said, “Uh-oh!”

CLAY: I thought to myself, “Good for her,” but anytime I see a quote like this… I actually sent this to me wife because my wife is super fired up over the idea that you could decide to become a woman and that makes you a woman. No, that’s not possible — and this is why I always say, “Hey, you can’t be transracial,” right? Buck, if you decided tomorrow or I decided tomorrow, “Hey, you know what I’m gonna be? I’m gonna be an Asian man from now on because I feel like even though I’m a white guy, I’m actually Asian.” I’ve been trapped in a white body. I’m gonna become an Asian man or a black man or a Hispanic man. It would be super racist. It wouldn’t be allowed.

BUCK: Transracialism would actually make a whole thing more sense because we have people, for example, who self-identify as black, and you’ll find out that, “Well, they have a grandparent of four who are black.” So there are actually multiple ethnicities that are coming into play. You have people who… My own nephew is south Asian and Caucasian. So he is multiple ethnicities. He is not actually one. He’s absolutely adorable, by the way.

He’s so great. He already knows all of his ABCs. He’s counting to 10. I’m gonna tell you this. This is like getting me… I gotta have kids soon, Clay, ’cause he got me all excited. I walked in recently to visit my little sister, was amazing, and her little nephew, he’s 20 months old, and he’s at that age where he’s just running in circles constantly. He’s just running anywhere.

CLAY: Yeah, yeah.

BUCK: And he runs all the way up and he just looks at me and he goes, “Buck!” and I was like, “Yes.” He said my name. I was very excited. Okay, everyone doesn’t need to hear this all across America, but I was very excited. Point being, let’s take this back to Macy Gray situation.

CLAY: We all have way more in common, to your point. If you had to choose right now, do you have more in common with someone who is also a man even if they are a different race or do you have more in common with someone of a different gender. I think men and women have far more in common with their own sex than they do with their own race.

BUCK: You can be a person — and we all are actually, when you really get down to it, right? I mean, just ask Elizabeth Warren. But we all are the product of many different ethnicities, actually, and so identification along racial lines, that is a much more mutable characteristic in the sense that you can have genes. You can’t actually be a man and a woman at the same time. You can have a black father and a white mother or an Asian father and et cetera, et cetera, all the way down the line. And many of us do. So, you’re right, though. That’s because of the political implications of the racial what the Supreme Court calls the racial entitlement state in this country and racial identification. Okay. But back to Macy Gray.

CLAY: It’s actually offensive, right, if you change your race whereas it’s “brave” if you change your gender. The minute when you said, “What did you think?” I said, “She’s a hundred percent right,” but I didn’t want to praise her because I said, “I wonder how quickly she’s gonna backtrack on it.”

BUCK: We had the same thing. You’re saying, “Yeah, it’s amazing she spoke the truth.” My first thought was, “Oh, they’re about to J. K. Rowling here. Oh, here it comes! The left will not tolerate this.”

CLAY: Well, the funny thing is, she said she knew she was gonna get criticized, so it’s not like she walked into the statement blindly.

BUCK: I know, and now this is where we have to go, “Womp-womp!” It gets a little sad. Macy Gray, what, about 48 hours later an after her recitation of the most basic and straightforward fact, here is Macy Gray saying, “I am super, super, super sorry.”

EXCLUSIVE: Macy Gray addresses her controversial comments about gender identity with @hodakotb: “This was a huge learning experience for me.” pic.twitter.com/CTRNOJtsI2

— TODAY (@TODAYshow) July 7, 2022

BUCK: No, you are not actually whoever you believe you are.

CLAY: I’m not Spider-Man.

BUCK: Yeah, I could walk around saying I’m Batman and it doesn’t make it true. This bend the knee, beg forgiveness from the woke mob thing? It’s so both tiresome and also so pathetic, and when are people going to realize that we should not live in a country where the statement of basic fact results in groveling apology?

CLAY: Also, I just am so disgusted at the idea that you have to apologize. I understand if anybody has to apologize because, otherwise, they’re gonna lose a job and they can’t pay their mortgage or they can’t take care of their family. I understand when people have to make apologies because, economically, they have other options. If you are fortunate enough to be wealthy as I would think that Macy Gray certainly has to be, why do you care if people are mad at some of your opinions? I just fundamentally reject the idea. I just don’t care, and maybe —

BUCK: A lot of very rich, very influence and famous people, as you know, Clay, are also deeply insecure.

CLAY: Yeah.

BUCK: Which is a surprise to a lot of folks who haven’t spent time around people who are in that milieu, shall I say — but it’s true even in media, it’s true in Hollywood — you get people that are deeply insecure. And the thing that they actually crave — because they have money, they have prominence — more than anything else, is the acceptance of their peer group. And that’s why it’s, “Oh, my gosh! The other fancy music or Hollywood or news media people are mad at me, so now I have to grovel.”

CLAY: My wife says to the extent that I have a talent, it’s that I legitimately don’t care. And some people say that, but I’m the kind of person who if 10 people tell me I’m awful but one person is like, “Hey, you’re pretty cool,” I remember the one positive. Most people remember the one negative. But to me, this is what disgusts me on so many levels about these false apologies. If you have — and in people out there do, Buck — FU money? I think this is a quote from the great show — before it lost its mind — Billions, “What’s the point of having FU money if every now and then you don’t say ‘FU’?”

BUCK: It’s so interesting that you quote that show —

CLAY: Which also went off the air

BUCK: — that became unwatchable because it really just became a show about a gender-neutral transgender 22-year-old finance genius who everyone had to refer to as “they.” That became a central conceit of the show. And you’re just watching this, like, “No. What is this? Why am I being subjected to such politics in this way, in this show?” It just became unwatchable.

CLAY: You’re right.

BUCK: So they have a lot of money. They have what you call loose-leaf money.

CLAY: And I just say, again, I feel the same way about people who had to get the covid shot. I understand if you had to get the covid shot because you had to keep your job, you had to make your mortgage payments and everything else. There are a lot of people who don’t have financial considerations at play. And to me, Buck, those are the people who need to stand up for the people who aren’t fortunate enough, they don’t have the privilege to be able to say no, this is wrong.

So when I see Macy Gray, she went on Piers Morgan’s show and said, “I know I’m going to get criticized for this,” and then totally changed her tune by the time she went on the Today show. Why? I agree with her. You can’t just decide that you’re gonna change your gender, and that makes you a new gender. That’s not possible. That’s biologically not real. You can basically decide that you want to identify in that way.

If you’re an adult, I think that’s your right, but I certainly don’t think that you can change your biology. In fact, Buck — I don’t know if you can see this — the shirt that I’m wearing right now that we are now selling on OutKick just says simple “biology is real.” We have ended up in such a crazy place where these transgender activists now say, “Sometimes doctors get it wrong when a baby is born.” That’s their argument they make.

BUCK: This is fascinating, by the way. There was a Substack that has been making the rounds. I’ve been some people on the right. I’d hat tip them but I forget who was retweeting it earlier today — a Substack with this headline: “When a Quarter of the Class Identifies as Trans,” and let me just read to you folks a little bit of this. A quarter of the girls in my daughter’s class identify as transgender. Seven out of 28.

“When I said that on Twitter recently¸ I was roundly attacked for being a TERF,” which is a trans-exclusionary radical feminist, I’ve learned this term “who makes up ridiculous stories to harm trans people. While I may be a TERF, I did not make this up. A quarter of the girls in my kid’s class identify as boys. One of them has had four names this year, all from anime series.”

CLAY: How old are you are these kids?

BUCK: They’re like 12, I think. I gotta check. “Parents with Inconvenient Truths About Trans Teens,” is this Substack, and it goes on to talk about… It’s interesting, actually. I’m not even seeing the author’s name here, probably ’cause she’s scared to actually write this stuff down. But I know about this from other people where they’re telling me the 10, 15, 20% of their 8-year-old or 10-year-old class in school all identifying as trans and all want different names and things.

They just come up with a new name, a new pronoun, and everyone’s supposed to use it — and the teachers are all encouraging this. And parents find out about it and say, “What’s going on?” It’s like, “Hold on a second, parents. Do you want us to call Child Services on you?” This is the America we’re living in now, folks. I know people don’t want to believe this, but this is happening.

CLAY: Well, and it’s also an indication of how sort of the thing spreads and becomes popular. Right? If you’re talking about 28 kids in a classroom like this author did and 25% of them are identifying as transgender, this is absolutely crazy — and the pushback on this is, when we’re starting to see it take over in the world of sports and become more and more common, there’s a difference between saying:

“Hey, you have decided that you’re going to make a life choice” and then allowing that life choice to implicate everybody else who is let’s say trying to compete in women’s sports and suddenly has a six-foot-four swimmer who used to be a male college swimmer kicking all the women’s asses. Biology is real, and I think we just have to keep hammering home on this because we’re getting to absurd categories.