BUCK: So we’ve heard a lot — you’ve already noticed that it’s starting to fade out, but there was all this stuff — about gun control and there was a bipartisanship Senate package and all this stuff, right? Okay. There are people who are marching — and I will tell you, one of the creepier things I’ve seen in a political march was when there was very similar, and I can’t even remember what…

There was a shooting and then there were protests here in New York and I happened to walk through one. There were so many people who were bringing their children who were 4, who were 8, and putting little placards on them saying things like, “I don’t want die from AR-15s.” Just emotional blackmail, children as props, the whole thing was gross. And you realize there’s so much ignorance behind it.

They’re just scared. These people are scared and they do what they’re told so they go out there and they march and they don’t really think about the policies and they don’t know what they’re talking about. This was video — and I want to make sure we credit who pulled this one together. The Washington Examiner pulled this together. Thank you. WashingtonExaminer.com. They did a March for Our Lives piece here where they ask people who want to ban AR-15s, what is an AR-15?

CLAY: (laughing)

BUCK: I got an idea. Maybe we’ll have time for this I’m gonna dress around like Joy Behar, I’m gonna walk around and I’m gonna say, “We need to ban chain saw bayonets,” I guarantee you, I guarantee you, people will sign my position to ban chain saw bayonets at the next March for Our Lives.

CLAY: There is nothing debated in America for that fewer people understand that guns. I defy you to come up with something that more people have strong opinions on that don’t understand the most basic things about. Let me say this too, by the way. You get hit by a paintball gun.

BUCK: Oh, I’ve gotten hit many times.

CLAY: It’s a lot of fun, but the one woman in there who was like I’ve heard that hurts, that’s not inaccurate. You get popped by a paintball gun at close range and it definitely impacts your ability the next day. You can feel it for sure.

BUCK: Man. I remember we did back in the day, Clay, a little bit of simulation training and a little bit of —

CLAY: You guys used to pretend getting out of —

BUCK: Vehicles, convoys and stuff before you could go over to Iraq or Afghanistan, this is back any CIA days. But they would video some of these drills, these exercises, and we’d do this. The military would be the ones training us. And, man, it’s one thing to get hit with a bunch of paintballs because you mess up. It’s another thing afterwards to have everybody watch it and kind of slo-mo and be like, “What did Buck do wrong here?” It’s like, “I didn’t take off my seat belt.” It’s like, “Whack, whack, whack, whack, whack! Paintballs. Oh, man.

CLAY: When you got hit, did you have to pretend you’re dead in the simulation?

BUCK: Oh, yeah, you’re out at that point. Vehicle exfiltration drills, man. That was —

CLAY: You don’t want to be the first guy getting hit, right?

BUCK: I was like, “I want to have to write memos again. I’m good at the memos!”

CLAY: That’s awesome, though, to think about the way that you could basically deconstruct it as if it were actually —

BUCK: That’s how they teach you tactics. A lot of it is going through the process, the physical, that moment in time, and guys who are really doing this stuff were training, on the military and law enforcement side to get in the stack and go into rooms, it’s just repetition and expertise and doing it over and over and over again.