CLAY: Our friend Phil Kerpen shared this. It’s a Civiqs poll. It’s a poll that came out from Civiqs. I’m not sure exactly that brand. But they did a really good dive-in on all 50 states. What is Joe Biden’s approval rating in all 50 states and — the spoiler alert — not good, all right? In only four states does Joe Biden have a positive approval rate right now — Hawaii, Maryland — and I gotta be honest with you, I know Maryland does crab cakes and football, but what?

46 states disapprove of Joe Biden’s job, 4 states approve. These numbers are unbelievably awful in toss up states, by the way. https://t.co/XWAB4xVCQk

— Clay Travis (@ClayTravis) February 15, 2022

BUCK: What are they thinking in Maryland?

CLAY: Joe Biden, right? How are they…? By the way, it’s 45-43 there. Massachusetts doesn’t really… You could have any Democrat president on the planet in Massachusetts and he would have a positive rating, right? It’s virtually impossible. Vermont similarly. You elect a socialist, Bernie Sanders. It’s not a surprise, Massachusetts and Vermont. Hawaii is kind of a wacky place. I don’t know if they pay any attention to what goes on in the continental United States there. But Maryland was the one that stood out. So a couple ones I want to hit you with, Buck. First of all, did you see this? What is Joe Biden’s approval rating, Buck, in West Virginia?

BUCK: Oh, it’s sub-20 for sure.

CLAY: It’s a 17% approval rate.

BUCK: There we go.

CLAY: I’ve never seen any state with a lower approval rating. West-by-God Virginia, 17%, country homes, they are not gonna be happy about that. But, Buck, what stood out to me so much was what are the numbers in the, quote-unquote, “swing states,” right? The states where you look at ’em and start to project in 2024 based on how close they were in 2020, listen to this. Arizona, 32% approval rating right now for Joe Biden, 61% disapproval, all right?

To the extent that Arizona is a toss-up, I don’t think that Florida is gonna be a toss-up at all. I think it’s gonna be a landslide statute for Ron DeSantis in ’22, and also a landslide state for whoever the Republican is in ’24. Biden has a 35% approval in the state of Florida; 32% in Georgia, right? Some of these numbers, I’m looking at ’em and I’m in just disbelief that they could be as bad.

Pennsylvania, who we all know is going to be a huge toss-up state, right now 37% approval, 55% disapproval for Joe Biden. And Wisconsin, 38% approval, 55% against. Michigan — which obviously has been a big battleground of late — 34% approval. if I’m looking at these numbers right now and I am in the White House, not only am I worried about 2022.

Buck, I am looking ahead, I’m saying, “If we were having a presidential election right now, Joe Biden wouldn’t just lose. He would get shellacked a shellacking the likes of which we have not seen in this country maybe going all the way back to, like, 1984.” I mean, that’s how bad of a beat-down Joe Biden is on track, if he were on the ballot, to get in 2024.

BUCK: I do think there’s something very encouraging about the numbers. This country has not lost its mind.

CLAY: Yes. I agree.

BUCK: There are a lot of people here who, particularly during covid, completely lost their minds. Some of them are coming back, and they are welcome. Welcome to Team Rationality, right? Team Sanity.

CLAY: Right.

BUCK: They’re welcome. There’s 20 to 30% of the country that, unfortunately, MSNBC and the New York Times that the wokeness has burrowed so deep in their brains that unfortunately I think we’re just gonna have prevent them from being in power because they would ruin the country for themselves and for others.

But there is at least some reality that is reflected in the polling that shows that people see that Joe Biden is just really bad at this. It was never a good idea, it was never a responsible thing to make him the president, it was never the unity and normalcy that they promised. It was all just a big fraud during a once-in-a-century pandemic. And we’ve talked about that so many times. But, Clay, this brings us to — and I’ve talked to a few people.

I’ve always been talking to my folks, and there are people listening to us on the show in the media world, and they say, “I don’t think Clay’s idea about Hillary is crazy.” I got some reach out to me about this yes. And like, I don’t think it’s beyond… First of all, here’s what we do know for sure? Is Hillary Clinton among the most power-hungry human beings you could ever point to in modern American history?

And therefore, she would jump at the opportunity to run again? Absolutely. Right? I don’t think anyone thinks that there’s — and then you look at, well, what would that look like with the situation of Biden’s polls and his age, everything else. It starts to seem less crazy. That’s also why the Hillary spying story that we talked about yesterday and the rest of the media, other than obviously Fox and some other places, completely ignored, really does matter. It does matter.

CLAY: And here’s why I say Hillary. And, by the way, we gotta play this AOC because one reason that I think the Democrats are going off a cliff is they followed people who get popularity on social media but don’t necessarily resonate anywhere else. Remember, only one-in-50 people ever comment on social media, meaning like Twitter, where the media spends all it’s time. I shouldn’t specify Twitter, but listen to this, Buck. Kamala Harris is a disaster. Start, Joe Biden can’t run, right?

BUCK: Kamala Harris is a disaster.

CLAY: Joe Biden is gonna be 82 running a presidential campaign. He would be 86 when he’s done. I don’t think he’s capable, physically, of running a campaign and I don’t even think — unless covid resurfaces and they’re able to run another campaign from the basement, Joe Biden has no chance. I really don’t think that the Democrats believe that. Kamala’s a disaster, but it would be racist and sexist not to put her forward.

Mayor Pete is probably the next guy, but I can’t believe nobody’s willing to say this. Mayor Pete is not able to be elected as a Democratic nominee because he’s gay, and because a huge percentage of the black electorate is not going to vote for a gay guy to be president as the nominee. Now, could he be vice president? Maybe. But look at what happened to him in South Carolina. It’s as if nobody will actually analyze it.

Mayor Pete, as a gay man, is not going to be selected in the Democratic primary which has such an overwhelming amount of black people who are voting in it because there is a huge collection of black voters who are very religious and are opposed to the idea, I believe, of a gay nominee. They won’t touch it in mainstream politics because it would require some sort of analysis that would allow people to say, “Wait a minute.

“Maybe just Republicans are not these awful homophobic people. There are actually Democrats that are homophobic, too,” which is a reality and is the truth, all right? I don’t believe Klobuchar. I don’t buy it. I don’t think she has the sort of gravitas to beat… It’s gonna be Hillary. Hillary is gonna be the nominee. But let’s talk about it —

BUCK: This is calling your shot, Clay. You’re talking about years in advance.

CLAY: I am calling it years into the future right now. Hillary Clinton is going to be the Democratic nominee for 2024 unless — caveat here, unless — Durham puts her in prison. All right? Because I’m telling you, this is me taking off —

BUCK: There’s no way she’s going to prison.

CLAY: All right.

BUCK: They’ll never do it. They’ll never do it. By the way, doesn’t matter what the evidence is, because they would make essentially a political argument in the prosecutor’s office is that this would rattle the country too much.

CLAY: And I get that. I actually get that. And I feel the same way, by the way, about Trump ’cause they’re like, “Oh, he’s gonna go to prison! You have to arrest him.” No. I think in general, if you are arresting a major party’s political candidate, you are — and it’s for something… Let me say this: It’s for something other than like murder, right? If there was a… If somebody… If Hillary Clinton had a gun and she finally got furious with Bill Clinton and she shot him.

And we were like, “Okay, it’s a clear case of homicide here,” then I would be like, “Okay, you could charge the president or the presidential candidate with a crime.” Absent some sort of act of violence, I think the idea that you’re going to arrest someone is difficult to pull off. So I think Hillary’s going to be the nominee, which makes this Durham spying allegation so much more significant.