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Biden Visits Ukraine But Only Trump Is Going to East Palestine, Ohio

20 Feb 2023

President Biden showed up in Kiev, Ukraine, for a photo-op while he ignores East Palestine, Ohio, where a basketball team feared to go for a game and people can’t drink the water. Imagine if leftists cared as much about our border and people as he does about Ukraine’s.

Just think of the money we have sent to Kiev, with no question of where it’s going or what it’s been spent on. A mere fraction of that $100 billion would have built a wall at our southern border without risking World War III by killing thousands of Russians.

It fell to the once and future president, Donald Trump, to go to Ohio and try to get some help from Biden.

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What Andrea Mitchell Asked Kamala Harris

20 Feb 2023

Andrea Mitchell of NBC News actually did some journalism, putting it right to Kamala “Word Salad” Harris that some Democrats think her vice presidency should come to an end if Joe Biden runs again in 2024.

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“Race Equity” Allowed Michigan State Shooter to Stay Out of Jail

20 Feb 2023

The mass murder in Michigan has disappeared from headlines because the killer doesn’t fit the profile and leftist policies to “reform” bail resulted in him getting off on gun charges so he was out on the street to get a new weapon and kill.

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Will There Ever Be Consequences for the Left’s Covid Falsehoods?

20 Feb 2023

Buck’s on his way back from his honeymoon and will be back on the air Tuesday, but he’s already tweeting about what he’s seeing.

Are we so tribal now that leftists are going to wear masks, despite all we’ve learned about the low risks from covid and the ineffectiveness of masks? Bill Maher gets it.

Will there ever be consequences for all the lies Democrats have told their supporters? Will any of them ever admit they were wrong?

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Will Don Lemon Lose His Job Over Nikki Haley Insult?

20 Feb 2023

Don Lemon wasn’t on CNN this morning. They said only that he had the “day off,” but there’s speculation Lemon could lose his job over his remarks about Nikki Haley.

We conservatives shouldn’t believe in cancel culture, but Don Lemon is just another example of a journalist who lost his mind in recent years. Go back to 2013, and listen to Don Lemon. He sounded sane.

What’s changed in the last ten years? The woke virus has infected the left. And as if on cue, Whoopi Goldberg entered the fray and echoed Don Lemon’s take on Nikki Haley’s age!

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What Republicans Must Recognize About 2024

20 Feb 2023

Who will the Republicans nominate in 2024? Nikki Haley or Vivek Ramaswamy? (We had both on the show last week, as you can hear by clicking their names.) Donald Trump or Ron DeSantis? One thing will hold true for any of them: They must absolutely move to the Midwest and set up camp. Putting the convention in Milwaukee is a good start.

President Trump putting the focus on Ohio as Democrats abandon it and focus solely on Ukraine instead makes total sense towards this goal of turning Michigan, Wisconsin, Ohio, and all those other states red in 2024.

Republicans should be leaning into this message about all the money we spend in Ukraine while our own border is wide open.

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Two Years After His Passing, Rush Inspires Us to Fight for Freedom

17 Feb 2023

In the audio link above, Clay reflects on the 2-year anniversary of Rush’s passing and the reason he and Buck took this job: to continue fighting the battles Rush fought and to save the greatest nation on the face of the earth, the United States of America. Clay also played a quintessential Rush clip on freedom and American Exceptionalism.

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Nikki Haley — in Her Prime — Tells Us Why She Should Be the Next President

17 Feb 2023

CLAY: We have had breaking news as another member of the Republican Party has entered into the race. She is Nikki Haley, former governor of South Carolina, former U.S. ambassador to the United Nations under Donald Trump. She joins us now. And I have to say, I feel like you’re in your prime. Am I crazy or is that a valid assignation there?

GOV. HALEY: You are a very smart man. Yes, I am. And I will tell you, you know, Don Lemon made a name for himself because I think he showed why maybe sexist male anchors on CNN need mental competency tests, too.


CLAY: So, I want to dive into that a little bit. I know there’s obviously a ton that we can we can go into. But where were you when you heard that Don Lemon on CNN had said that you were outside of your prime because you weren’t in your twenties and thirties and forties as he had Googled? And did you immediately just think… Because when we played this clip, I was like, “This is the greatest gift that CNN could have given Nikki Haley to have someone that dumb say something that idiotic.” It just felt like they were trying to help your candidacy, almost.

GOV. HALEY: Look, I had just gotten to New Hampshire, and I’ll tell you this. I was not surprised. If you saw Whoopi Goldberg hit me the day before, I had faced this all my life. Any time I surface to do anything, the liberals heads explode. It always has happened. They can’t stand that a conservative minority female would be… you know, is not a Democrat. They just can’t take it. And they have pushed back on me because they know I pull in independents, they know I pull in suburban women, they know I pull in minorities, and they know what I say is right and true.

And so they immediately start attacking. This won’t be the first or the last. It didn’t faze me at all because there will be more. And, you know, it’s funny how liberals say they’re pro-women, but then you hear sexist remarks like this. It’s funny how liberals say, you know, that Republicans are the ones that are racist, but they’re the ones that are quick to have racist comments about me. But, you know, even when I became governor in South Carolina, it was a liberal Democrat that said, “She’s not a minority. She’s just a conservative with a tan.” I mean, so this is nothing new. It rolls off my back. Their heads are exploding and that’s okay. It shows the threat that I am and I’ll take it.


CLAY: For people who aren’t familiar with your story. Take us into growing up in South Carolina, what that was like, what your unique experience was. You say you’re a brown girl in a white and black state, which, you know, I think a lot of people have not experienced it, although there are increasing Asian populations all over the Southeast. In the early seventies, that wasn’t necessarily the case for you. What was that experience like?

GOV. HALEY: You know, I grew up in a rural town in South Carolina, population 2500. Two stoplights. You couldn’t think about doing something wrong without telling your mom. But we were the only Indian family, and we weren’t white enough to be white. We weren’t black enough to be black. Times were hard. They didn’t know who we were, what we were, why we were there. And when I would get teased on the playground, my mom would always say, “Your job is not to show them how you’re different. Your job is to show them how you’re similar.”

And, you know, even though they didn’t know who or what we were or why we were there, my parents knew. Because my parents knew that I had been born in the best country in the world, and they knew that this country was an opportunity for their children to have a better life than they did. And so they always told my brothers, my sister and me every day that even on our worst day, we are blessed to live in America. I grew up. That same state that didn’t understand us, grew to elect me the first minority female governor in America. And it goes to show that, you know, when these liberals say that “America is rotten” and that “America is no good” and then “America is racist,” I am proof of all of that, that it’s not. And so, yeah, you know. Go ahead, please.

CLAY: No, no. I was just going to say, I think that’s well said. And to your point, this is a really hard thing for Democrats to respond to. But if America is so fundamentally racist, how come so many minorities are literally willing to die to get here? That is incongruous, right? And it is a really difficult question for them to answer. And they don’t seem to be able to do it. And that’s why I think, frankly, they’re so threatened by your rise in the Republican Party in general, because it attacked so many integral elements of their narrative.

GOV. HALEY: Listen, we call them out. We call them out because they think they can go push on people what they want the narrative to be. And they can’t. I’m not going to let them do that. Is America perfect? No. But the principles at the heart of America are perfect. And so, are we going to have instances that are that are bad or we’re going to have racist people out there. Yes. But is the whole country racist? No. I have been around the world and back. And let me tell you what I saw at the United Nations. America is still the standard. When we speak, the world listens. What we do, the world follows. Who we are, the world wants to be.

CLAY: Go ahead.

GOV. HALEY: We, you know, we have to stop this national self-loathing that’s taking over our country and we have to start teaching our children what it means to love America and to fight for her because she’s worth fighting for.

CLAY: You made the decision to run for president after first saying you wouldn’t run if Donald Trump was running. How hard was that decision for you to make? Why did you change your mind?

GOV. HALEY: Well, when I first said it, Biden had just taken office. That was before we had the embarrassing fall in Afghanistan. It was before we saw Biden fall all over himself to get back in the Iran deal, before we saw record inflation. It’s before we saw our education just literally go to pieces and all this woke stuff. But it was before we lost the midterms. And so to me, it’s one of those things that when I look at this, it is time to leave the status quo and the old issues of the past. It’s time to get rid of the chaos and the divisiveness, and it’s time to really focus on what we need to do to fix America.

I mean, you’ve got inflation we haven’t seen in a long time. You’ve got D.C. that’s spending like drunken sailors and we need to put them on a diet. You’ve got the fact that education pre-covid, 70% of our kids that are in eighth grade were not proficient in reading or math. Now, you add covid to it. We’ve got a serious problem on our hands and parents are worried about it. You’ve got the fact that we’ve got crime on our streets. We’ve got open borders like we’ve never seen.

And when Americans woke up to the sky and they see a Chinese spy balloon looking back at them, that is a national embarrassment. And so, for the sake of my kids, one who’s about to get married and I see how hard it is for them to buy a home. A son who’s in college, and I see what the woke education is doing on the wife of a combat veteran. And I know what our military stresses are. I am not going to wait for anyone else. It is time for a new generation. It is time for new leadership. Americans are tired and Americans deserve better. And I’m going to make sure they get it.

CLAY: You were in the U.N. and so you’re uniquely aware of America’s place in the geopolitical universe. When you heard that China was sending a spy balloon over this country and that Joe Biden was not going to shoot it down, what was your reaction? What would you have done if you were in the Oval Office and had been informed as he was about that Chinese spy balloon?

GOV. HALEY: Biden is letting China eat our lunch. But this is the thing. You can’t just blame Biden on this. Republicans and Democrats have thought for too long that if we were nice to China, they would want to be like us. That’s narcissistic. China does not want to be like us. They want to be communist. We have to start changing the way we deal with them. And that starts with the fact we don’t let the Chinese Communist Party buy any land in America, especially when they’re looking at land near military bases near our most sensitive drone technology. We don’t let China go and fund our universities. And if our universities take Chinese money, guess what? They’re not going to get any American money.

We don’t let the Chinese infiltrate our research and development. We start calling them out for stealing intellectual property. And we’re not going to allow any balloons or anything else to fly over. We’re going to put them in their place and tell them exactly what it is we expect of them. We need to start holding them accountable for what they did with covid. And we need to make sure that everybody, when they talk about the drug problem and everything fentanyl is doing — Yes, it’s the Mexican cartels that are moving it. But who’s sending it? It’s China, that’s sending it. And America has got to wake up and be smart to this. And I’m going to make sure that happens.

CLAY: Have you talked to Donald Trump since you officially announced and what kind of relationship do you expect that you will have with him going forward?

GOV. HALEY: I called President Trump before I announced and had a great conversation with him. He is a friend. He’s someone who I was proud to be part of his administration. He was the right president at the right time. But I told him that I thought that we had… I told him all the issues and the reasons that I thought it was important to get in. And I told him that we needed a new generation, that we had to start looking forward and not looking back. And we had a very good conversation. And he will continue to be my friend.

CLAY: Joe Biden’s going to be 82 years old potentially if he runs. You mentioned the idea of cognitive tests. Do you think he has the mental acuity to be president of the United States right now, much less to potentially run and be president until he’s 86?

GOV. HALEY: Well, he’s given a lot of Americans reasons to question it. When you have that kind of fall in Afghanistan, when you sit there and you watch this Chinese spy balloon, and when you hear him say that “The economy’s not that bad,” when we’re all feeling that we can’t afford our groceries and we see how inflation has kicked in, he is telling Americans what he wishes was the case, but he’s not telling Americans the truth. And that calls into question everything. But look, it’s not just about Joe Biden. You can look at everybody in D.C. I’ve never been in D.C., but you look at everybody in D.C. and it is the reason I think we need to have term limits. It’s the reason I think we need to have mental competency tests for over the age of 75. And it’s the reason I think we need to light a fire under every elected official in D.C. and tell them it’s time to stop talking about our issues and it’s time to start getting to work and solving the problems that Americans want them to solve.

CLAY: Many people upon hearing that you were running for president — we’re talking to Nikki Haley — said she’s running to be vice president. How do you respond to that question, that idea?

GOV. HALEY: I don’t play for second. And what I’ll tell you is I am running for president. And when the time is right, I’m happy to let you know who my vice presidential candidate will be.

CLAY: That’s a good answer. When you saw Don Lemon, I want to circle back to that for a moment. Do you think he should be fired for comments like that? What should happen to him? He wasn’t on the show today. His boss has said if he keeps making stupid comments like that, there will be consequences. I’m paraphrasing that, by the way. What should happen to Don Lemon for somebody like him making those kinds of comments in your mind?

GOV. HALEY: I don’t care what happens to Don Lemon. What I care about is the hypocrisy of all of this. You know, here Don Lemon didn’t say that about Hillary Clinton. He didn’t say that about Kamala Harris. He didn’t say it about Elizabeth Warren. And, you know, the idea that they’ll say it about a conservative minority female. That’s more of the issue and it’s more about than just Don Lemon. It’s Whoopi Goldberg and the women on The View. It’s what we see constantly across the media all the time.

It’s the hypocrisy of everything we’re watching. It’s the double standard of all of it. So, you know, you keep or you fire Don Lemon, that’s not going to make a difference. What we need to do is make sure that we continue to call them out every time we see it. And guess what? All they do is make me stronger and more determined to make sure and prove to them that they know what I know, which is they’re sexist. They have more racist tendencies than we do, and that we’re not going to buy it. We’re not going to do it. And the American people don’t deserve what they’re dishing out.

CLAY: Nikki Haley, if people like what they’ve heard here, how can they find out more about your campaign and what should they do to indicate their support?

GOV. HALEY: Look, we’ve lost the last seven out of eight popular votes for president. We need to start this movement for a new generation, for a new effort of going forward, not looking back. Join our movement. Go to NikkiHaley.com. Join us today. Go tell ten people. And if you’re in Manchester, go out to Manchester tonight. Go and see us at Saint A’s College at 6:00. We had standing room only last night in Exeter. We’re going to have a great time in Manchester. Join our movement and let’s make America right for our kids. They deserve it. You deserve it. And we’re going to make it happen.


CLAY: Nikki, appreciate you taking the time. Good luck going forward. I’m sure we’ll talk to you again on the show.

GOV. HALEY: Sounds great. Thanks so much.

CLAY: That’s Nikki Haley. She’s running for president.

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Dr. Marty Makary Demands Accountability from Public Health Officials

17 Feb 2023

CLAY: Joined now by Johns Hopkins, Dr. Marty Makary, who’s been on this show many times in the past. Hope all is going well with you, Dr. Makary. I want to dive right into it. NBC News — I feel like I’m going back in time — has a story up today — I don’t know if you’ve seen it yet, but I’m sure you’re familiar with the idea — saying — wait for it — natural immunity actually provided better protection than the covid shot did. Again, I feel like we’re going back into a time warp. It’s amazing how so many things that you argued for years are now being acknowledged in the present day. What is your reaction when you see stories like this coming out in 2023?

DR. MAKARY: Well, NBC News has been hostile towards many of the ideas that many of us have been putting out there against the medical establishment. But I’m glad that NBC News is finally catching up with the fact that in 430 B.C. —

CLAY: (laughing)

DR. MAKARY: — the Athenian plague resulted in natural immunity, and it was well recognized that if after you had infection, you were immune. So I’m glad they’re finally getting up to speed.


CLAY: When you look at it now, you see acknowledged that there is, for instance, in 25- to 44-year-olds, a 30% increase in heart attack deaths. That is an age range where we typically do not see people dying of heart attacks. That data is now acknowledged, but there’s an argument about what could be causing that. Based on what you have seen, do you think that it could be connected to the covid shots and the boosters or do you think it’s a legacy of covid? Do you think maybe it’s just people were super unhealthy because of covid and, as a result, we’re seeing the fallout? To what would you attribute what we know to be a 30% increase in heart attack deaths for young people?


DR. MAKARY: Well, first of all, if somebody is a part of a cult, they are not going to listen to the data no matter what we say, and I think that’s most public health officials. It doesn’t matter how much data, how many quality studies are out there. It’s a religion for them. They’re not going to leave their positions. But if we look at the data, there’s a lot of information that the vaccines cause myocarditis and even that some have died from the vaccine-induced myocarditis that’s out there.


CLAY: Yeah.

DR. MAKARY: I mean, the Swiss study found that almost 3% of people after the vaccine had some minimal heart damage, measured with a test called a troponin increase. And in the original Pfizer vaccine trial, in the supplemental document, six people died of heart attacks and two people died in the placebo group. Six people in the vaccine arm died of heart attack, and two people died in the placebo group. That was never explored. That was probably an early sign.


CLAY: So, if you were advising people right now, it’s 2023. I think most people have made the decision, “I’m not getting the covid shot. I’m not going to get a booster.” I think that’s what the data reflects for substantial majorities. What would you tell people they should do at this point with covid? Would you just say, “Hey, you’ve probably had it multiple times; you probably have natural immunity for both you, your kids, everybody else in your family”? Based on your knowledge, does the covid shot or boosters make much sense for anyone at this point in time?

DR. MAKARY: I mean, it would be hard to envision a subgroup that really benefits from it, clearly. But if there is a group, I would say it’s high-risk people who have not had covid if those people are still around.

CLAY: Which would be a tiny number of people probably, right? I mean, because almost everybody has had covid in particular. If you’re high risk, you’re probably more susceptible to it because you’re not in great health in the first place.

DR. MAKARY: Exactly. Everyone’s going to get covid seven or eight times in their life at least. I mean, this thing is going to circulate. It’s a seasonal virus. It is joining the common cold family of coronaviruses. It has been less severe. How do we know that? China just had covid rip through the entire population, and did they see the massive run on hospitals and, you know, two-months crematorium wait list that we saw during the Wuhan outbreak? No. This is a less severe virus. Doesn’t mean somebody couldn’t get hurt from it. It just means it’s in the family of respiratory viruses that circulate. But I’ll tell you what people are dying from: Mental illness, substance abuse, being shut out of school, wearing masks, and learning disabilities. So, we are seeing significant harm from the restrictions. And at this point, we’ve just got to recognize (laughs) that a lot of these things didn’t do anything. And the covid boosters ruined a lot of lives. That took a toll on society.

CLAY: You mention that you’re basically a member of the covid cult at this point and the data doesn’t really move you to a large extent if you’ve convinced yourself that it’s the worst thing that ever happened in United States of world history. Having said that, it feels to me like we’re seeing a pivot from, “Oh, all of these things were justified — the lockdowns, the essential versus non-essential businesses, the arresting people on paddleboards.” From a, “That was all necessary,” to a, “Well, we just didn’t know any better.” I know you’re not a historian, but what do you think this looks like from the medical establishment 20 years from now, 40 years from now, as people look back and the immediate impact and emotions of the moment have vanished, and you’re looking at it in a more analytical perspective?

DR. MAKARY: Well, I think one of the reasons history is written by the victors is they can tell their own narrative. And right now, the medical establishment is using the inflated numbers on covid — that is, people dying from other things, but they happen to test positive for covid, getting counted as a covid death, that massively inflated number — is being used to tell a narrative that they believe in, and that is that they prevented more deaths and that we still need to take this seriously. You still see schools are universally masking. You still see the vaccine mandate in places where the data is irrefutable that it doesn’t affect transmission. The vaccine doesn’t stop transmission. So why do they have the mandates in place? I mean, it’s going to take years to pull this back. And somebody was actually honest with me — one of these covid cult members — and they actually said, “You know, it’s good to keep the masks on the kids in schools while covid levels are high and then just keep them on for an extra few years and then take them off.” I mean, that’s the kind of cult that we’re dealing with here.

CLAY: I’m still so furious because we haven’t seen — we’re talking to Dr. Marty Makary, who has done phenomenal work. He’s been on this show a lot. He has done such a good job trying to fight public health battles on behalf of sanity in what was certainly an insane world surrounding covid in terms of where we go now. You made such a good point about China. Everybody said, “Oh, my goodness! You know, we use China as an example — Dr. Fauci did — of what the United States should do,” and then finally, Chairman Xi just said, this is a disaster. The protests started even in China about lockdowns, and they ended it. And all the people out there who said it was going to be an unmitigated disaster basically had to acknowledge that this thing swept through China. Everybody got it. Most people were okay. And now there doesn’t seem to really be any element of the lockdown universe that even still has an adherence. Where do we go from here?

DR. MAKARY: (laughing) It is amazing, as you describe it, how China has essentially abandoned the locked down policy and we still defend it here in the United States.

CLAY: Yeah, it is true!

DR. MAKARY: It’s very ironic. Look, I think public health officials need to do a couple of things. One, you give an honest apology. I mean, this new study that just came out in The Lancet that you mentioned at the beginning, it’s clearly showing natural immunity is as effective or better acknowledged. All those nurses that were fired, we need them back at the hospital.

CLAY: Yes.

DR. MAKARY: We need them rehired with back pay and the soldiers and so many other people, teachers. So they need to apologize. They need to rehire. They need to just be honest about where we are today. And I think we finally need the NIH to announce an all-out, forever ban on gain-of-function research. It’s not that hard, just once and for all, come out and say, “No more Frankensteinian viruses and juicing them up to make them more contagious. That should never happen ever in the history of the world in perpetuity with a universal declaration.” That is something where the U.S. should be taking a leadership position on, but no one is even talking about it at the NIH. None of the medical establishment want to even bring it up.


CLAY: Are you optimistic as you look foward? Biden has said, oh, we’re finally ending the emergency declaration in May. One of the things that… We were having a conversation, I think, this week and one of the possibilities is it’s so bad for Democrats because they’re supposed to be the party of science and they ended up getting everything wrong, that they’re just going to pretend this story never happened. Right? And just try to pretend that covid never happened and just move right on into 2024 trying to make new arguments. They may claim, “Oh, we beat covid thanks to the vaccine policies and everything else.” But by and large, it feels like they just want to pretend everything they argued — the school lockdowns, the teachers unions, Randi Weingarten and all those loony bin members — that it just didn’t happen. Right? Like, it’s almost like they want to do the Men in Black memory stick, if you remember that, where they could just erase everything and just pretend, “Okay, covid didn’t happen,” or they claim victory and just move right on. Do you think that’s kind of where we are?

DR. MAKARY: Well, look, I did see an article. I think it was in The Atlantic or it might have come from pharma or the FDA. I can’t even tell the difference anymore. But it said, “Let’s just give amnesty to all of our public health officials.”

CLAY: Oh, yeah, I saw that.

DR. MAKARY: Remember? “Let’s just forgive them all.”


CLAY: Yeah.

DR. MAKARY: My faith teaches me to forgive, but there’s been so much damage, they have not even been honest about what actually happened. So it’s a problem right now. It’s a big, huge problem because we can still do a lot of repair and we can still rewrite history, to be honest. If we’re honest, natural immunity beat covid, wasn’t anything else. It wasn’t our lockdowns or arresting surfers in California. It was natural immunity. So, I wouldn’t encourage someone to try to get the infection. But let’s be honest about what happened. Natural immunity beat covid.

CLAY: Dr. Makary, you have been absolutely phenomenal. Make sure you text me the next time you’re here in my hometown in Nashville. We need to go out and get a drink and have a dinner. I appreciate all the work that you have done over the years. Also, on the Wall Street Journal editorial page. I don’t want to forget — and I don’t want our audience to forget — how much heat you and others would take for sharing all of this information even though it was counter to the narrative of the time, and I hope — for people who write the histories in the years to come — that you will be one of the heroes of the medical establishment. I certainly appreciate everything you’ve done.

DR. MAKARY: Thanks so much, Clay. I appreciate you.

CLAY: No doubt. He is Dr. Marty Makary. Encourage you guys to go follow him on Twitter and make sure that you follow people who are actually truth tellers as opposed to — frankly — liars, which far too many people in our medical establishment have been over the past several years.

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