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Buck Reacts to Bob Woodward, Who Slammed Media Coverage of Steele Dossier

2 Feb 2023

Buck joined Steve Doocy and the gang on Fox & Friends to cover Watergate journalist Bob Woodward who tore into the press for failing to cover Hillary Clinton’s own scandal — the Steele Dossier — insinuating instead that President Trump was a Russian secret agent.

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Culture Wins: Southern Schools Are Booming for a Reason

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From Lunges to CFP Predictions, Clay Catches Up with Markwayne Mullin

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Good Move or Bad Move? Trump Steps Up Attacks on DeSantis

1 Feb 2023

The former president, Donald Trump, fired back at the man who may be the next one, Governor Ron DeSantis of Florida, in an escalating feud between the potential GOP rivals.

Buck asks for your opinions and the results may surprise you.

Everyone locked down early in the pandemic, but Florida opened up sooner and longer — and by the way, President Trump was angry at Georgia for wanting to open up early, remember?

Going after DeSantis for his covid response is kind of like going after Tom Brady for not winning enough Super Bowls, isn’t it? Here’s what happened to bring this on: DeSantis subtly reminding everyone that he won reelection and President Trump didn’t.

The former president’s counterpunch to that:

In other election News, South Carolina’s former governor and former U.N. ambassador Nikki Haley is set to announce that she’s seeking the Republican nomination on February 15th.

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VIP Video: Watch Clay and Buck Get Fired Up Over NYC Illegals

1 Feb 2023

The situation in New York City, with illegal migrants refusing to leave a 4-star hotel and liberal activists now demanding they be allowed to stay, caused Clay and Buck to react with righteous anger. Don’t miss it.

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Senator Dan Sullivan on Biden’s Disastrous Energy Policy

1 Feb 2023

BUCK: They wanted to take your gas stove a couple of weeks ago. Then they pretended they didn’t. But they also, now in this Biden administration, want to continue to be hostile to the domestic production of American energy, gas, oil, you name it. We’ve got Senator Dan Sullivan of Alaska with us now, wants to update us on what’s going on, on the energy front. Senator Sullivan, thanks for calling in.

SEN. SULLIVAN: Hey, Travis and Buck, great to be back on the program.

BUCK: Appreciate you, sir. So, what’s going on with the Obama, I’m sorry, the Biden — pardon me, we’re just talking about Obama a few minutes ago — the Biden administration right now with regard to American energy?

SEN. SULLIVAN: Well, look, as you guys know, it’s in many ways more of the same. But we had a potential and I say potential softening of the craziness that’s been happening for two years. And you guys know what this is. I mean, look, there’s a lot of horrible things strategically that they are doing across so many sectors in terms of hurting America. But I believe the worst damaging policy of the Biden administration has been their energy policy. And you guys know it. Clay and Buck, you guys have been talking a lot about this over the course of the last two years. But we know what it is. Day one, they’ve been shutting down the production of American energy and slow rolling it.

They’ve been stopping energy infrastructure. Keystone XL on day one. But so many other things. They have been going to Wall Street and American financial institutions pressuring them, believe it or not, not to invest in American energy. And then when the predictable results of those policies happen, which is higher energy costs, gas costs for American working families, these guys then literally go over on bended knee to Saudi Arabia, to Venezuela. Heck, they’re even playing footsie with Iran, the biggest terrorist state in the world, to get them to produce more energy.

So, what I’ve been trying to do the last two years is using every element of my power in the Senate to get them to do a course correction. You got to produce American energy here. We have the highest standards on the environment in the world. We have the best workers in the world and when we produce American energy here, it helps our economy, helps our national security. And, yes, Clay and Buck, it helps our environment. So, today we had an announcement from the BLM, Bureau of Land Management, that said they are going to… they’re looking at moving forward on a project in Alaska we called the Willow project.

Now, this is in the National Petroleum Reserve of Alaska, which we set aside Congress 70 years ago for oil and gas exploration. Shouldn’t be controversial. It will be about 200,000 barrels a day at peak production. Could America use that? Yes, we can. With the highest environmental standards of any major energy project in the world. So, we’ve got 30 more days until the record of decision is issued. And we know that within the administration, all the radical environmental groups in America are coming out against this. Some of the allies of these radical groups and the Biden administration are still trying to kill it.

But we need Americans, and I would love it if all your listeners, I know you guys got millions, would be a call to action to the Bureau of Land Management, BLM.gov, in the next 30 days saying “Hey, we support the Willow project. What’s good in terms of energy in Alaska is good for our country.” The web site is BLM.gov. So that’s the latest and greatest. Guys, there might be a crack in this insane policy to shut down American energy in Alaska in particular and go beg Venezuela and the Saudis for oil, but we’ll see. It’s going to be the battle royale in the next 30 days, and we need every American weighing in to try and help our country regain American energy security.

CLAY: That website is BLM.gov. Senator, I appreciate you joining us.

SEN. SULLIVAN: Sorry about that. BLM.gov. Yeah, I don’t… I don’t want to send you BLM dot com. That might be something different.

CLAY: Yeah. No doubt. There’s a good joke in there in the White Lotus Season One, for anybody out there who watched White Lotus, Season One. Senator, a lot of questions we get — we got a big audience in Alaska — ranked-choice voting is a mess and it feels like a lot of people, Republicans Democrats, independents, felt like they were sold a bill of goods based on the way it was applied in the midterms. What can you tell us about that ranked-choice voting, whether there might be a movement to end the way the ranked-choice voting? Certainly, it cost Republicans a House seat, maybe have changed the outcome of who would have won the Senate. What do you think about ranked choice and is it possible to go back to, quote unquote, normal voting in Alaska?

SEN. SULLIVAN: Well, the background of this, and you guys know it, in my view, was very troubling because you had an outside group come in, in 2020. They put this ballot on a statewide ballot. They put it, I don’t know, 8 or 9 million bucks in advertising behind it. The Republican Party, I was certainly opposed to it in 2020. We tried to fight it. We didn’t have the resources to fight it. It was 28 pages, right? As a ballot initiative. Nobody knew anything about it. The legislature didn’t hold any hearings about it. It was just big outside, lower 48 money that got this on the ballot. And it passed in 2020 with less than 1% of the vote. I mean, that’s not democracy.

Nobody even knew what they were voting on. Very confusing. And I will tell you, the first run of it, in my view, talking to Alaskans, I’ll give you an example. You know, we have a really great Alaska state fair and it’s wonderful. If any of your listeners haven’t been to Alaska, I know all your listeners who do or are from Alaska. Our state fair is awesome. I have a booth there, you know, I work the booth. It’s a great opportunity to meet with and hear from Alaskans. I was working my booth at the state fair right after the first use of the ranked-choice voting in August of last year. I would say, honest to gosh, guys, 95% of the Alaskans who we’re talking about it to me were saying, “Completely confusing. I had no idea how it worked.”

I mean, unanimously, at least in that kind of unofficial poll, talking to dozens of Alaskans about ranked-choice voting, utter confusion. So, I’m hoping the way it works in our legislature, once a ballot initiative has been on the books for two years, it doesn’t need to be amended by another ballot initiative. It can actually be amended by the state legislature. So, we’re in that window now. At a minimum, I’m hopeful that our state legislature holds hearings and, um, and, you know, tries to get to the bottom of what people really thought about it because, like I said, it got put on the ballot without any background, without any knowledge. And the initial run, I think, caused way more confusion than the, you know, original system that exists in most states.

CLAY: No doubt. Senator Dan Sullivan of Alaska, BLM.gov is the website. If you want more freedom for the people of Alaska, we appreciate your time and look forward to talk to you again.

SEN. SULLIVAN: Clay and Buck, tell them you support the Willow project — 200,000 barrels a day, 2,500 jobs for Americans — you know, enhancing our energy independence and national security. This is a no-brainer. Don’t let the radical environmental left crush Alaska and American energy independence.

CLAY: No doubt. Appreciate that.

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Why Kamala Just Can’t Connect

1 Feb 2023

Clay & Buck hashed out why voters just don’t see themselves reflected in the life and background of Vice President Kamala Harris, and why that makes Democrats nervous about the prospect of her ever replacing Joe Biden in the White House or on the national ticket. Here’s just the latest example of her problems:

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FBI Finally Gets Around to “Consensual” Search of Biden’s Delaware Beach Home

1 Feb 2023

After dithering three months — plenty of time to destroy any incriminating evidence — the Feds finally got around to asking if they could search Joe Biden’s beach home in Delaware.

The White House is clearly trying to get this festering scandal off the front pages as the 2024 primary season heats up in earnest.

Shocker! After 3 months warning, the FBI completed its search without finding any more classified documents. Isn’t Joe Biden a great, honest guy?

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Liberals Demand 4-Star Hotel Rooms for NYC Illegals

1 Feb 2023

The situation with illegal migrants in NYC is getting out of hand. Liberal activists are now demanding these illegals continue to be housed in 4-star, $450-per-night hotel rooms. It’s indefensible! This attitude should be infuriating to all Americans.

Democrat analyst Jessica Tarlov had a common sense reaction on Fox News.

She realizes the Democrats are in big trouble on this issue.

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Is This the Worst Wedding Haircut You’ve Ever Seen?

1 Feb 2023

Clay & Buck discussed bad hair days as the date of the big Sexton wedding approaches. For his wedding, “I got the worst haircut known to man,” Clay recounted, “that my wife is still angry about.”

Clay’s advice: “Don’t make any aggressive decisions when it comes to personal grooming that substantially might alter the way you look.”

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Heather Mac Donald on the Tyre Nichols Case

1 Feb 2023

BUCK: As we were talking about the Tyre Nichols case, we have to look at law enforcement, we have to look at the narrative around all this based on the facts and the data. We can’t think of anybody better to help us do that right now than Heather Mac Donald. She is a senior fellow at the Manhattan Institute, contributing editor at City Journal, author of The War on Cops. And she just has a piece out now at the Spectator. This is the title: “Tyre Nichols and the New Black-Cop White Supremacy.” Thanks for being with us, Heather, as always. Appreciate it.

MAC DONALD: Such a pleasure to be with you, Buck and Clay. Thank you.

BUCK: So, tell us, Heather, you know this piece, you’re getting right into it. We discussed this a bit on the show. Five black cops beat a black man to death. We all condemned it. It was excessive use of force. It’s quite obvious from the video. And there were a lot of people claiming white supremacy in the media. What is this all about?

MAC DONALD: It’s about the fact that racism is now an unfalsifiable proposition. The race industry is not going to ever cede ground. They have now got a new rule for racism, which is where anything bad that happens to a black person is a function of racism, regardless of the intentions or race of the perpetrator. So, they’ve got it covered. And we have, the, you know, the tragedy of the beating now becoming a farce. Given the reaction of Benjamin Crump, of the New York Times, of the race activists, of Joe Biden — eager as always, to slot in his favorite narrative about blacks being right to fear for their lives every time they go outside, their daily fear and trauma.

None of this is borne out by the facts. Here’s the facts. The police are the saviors in the black community. They are not the oppressors. When the police back off, more black lives are taken. Black lives are taken by the dozens every single day. There are dozens of blacks killed in homicide. That’s more than all white and Hispanic homicide victims combined, even though blacks are only 13% of the population. And the people doing those killings of blacks are overwhelmingly other blacks. They are not the police. In 2022, there were seven unarmed, allegedly unarmed blacks killed by police officers in fatal shootings. That’s out of a homicide population. We don’t know 2022 numbers yet, but in 2020, there were 10,000 blacks killed in homicide. There’s 44 million blacks in the country. Compare that to seven unarmed, allegedly unarmed blacks killed by the police. That is not the problem in the black community, criminals are.

CLAY: Heather, one of the conversations we have… first of all, thanks for coming on. You do fantastic work looking at the data and analyzing it from a policing perspective. One of the conversations Buck and I were having yesterday, and I think it is one that certainly the nation needs to have, is how difficult it is becoming to recruit police who want to be willing to do this job, given the amount of peril that they’re under, the increasing numbers of police that have been killed in the past several years, but also the just absolute disrespect that they receive in many parts of the country now. How difficult is it becoming to recruit police and how is that going to make their job that much more difficult, not only in terms of the people doing the job, but also in terms of the relationships that they have to develop?

MAC DONALD: Well, you’re absolutely right to take this beyond just the recruitment and retention crisis. But let’s look at that. It is an absolute catastrophe. There is…I don’t know of a single police department that is doing well at this point. Post George Floyd, the narrative that became decibel level high at after Michael Brown phony narrative about hands up, don’t shoot and the Ferguson effect of cops de-policing and criminals getting emboldened. After George Floyd race riots you had every mainstream institution in this country — banks, corporations, universities, press — all declaring that the criminal justice system was systemically racist. America was systemically racist, of course, but above all, it was the cops.

And this is not an encouraging thing to hear if you are thinking about joining a police force. There’s no other profession from day one on the job, the elite assumption is, is that you are a racist. So, we have attrition at enormously high rates, an impossibility to recruit. And, as you say, from an officer’s perspective, when there are not enough people to help you out — you don’t have backup — if you’re facing an armed, violent, resisting suspect there may be nobody available for the dispatcher to call to help you out, that’s going to make you less likely, quite appropriately understandably, to engage in discretionary proactive policing.

If you see somebody on a corner at 2 a.m. hitching up his waistband as if he has a gun. You don’t have to make that stop because there has not been a crime yet. But if you’re a good proactive cop trying to protect that community from yet another retaliatory gang shooting, you should get out of your car and ask a few questions. But if you know that your department is way abusing overtime, is stretched, that there are no patrol cars available, you’re going to drive on by because you don’t want to get in a potentially lethal confrontation with somebody. And the problem is, well, we now have a perfect storm where we are desperate to recruit at the same time that the pressure has been on for years to recruit on the basis of race, to have race trump merit.

And what happens when, when that is the case and departments lower educational and cognitive standards and they lower the requirements of a clean criminal background check in order to broaden the pool of potentially quantifiable recruits, you get corruption scandals and you get more excessive force. But that will probably continue, you know, now that we have the theme that, well, blacks are white supremacists, but the issue is black victims, black victims, black victims. Even though we’ve now decided that black cops are racist, too, I can guarantee you that the response to this terrible, terrible beating will be both de-policing and an increased push for diversity hiring.

BUCK: We’re speaking to Heather Mac Donald. She’s got a piece that we’ve linked up at ClayAndBuck.com, “Tyre Nichols and the New Black-Cop White Supremacy.” She also has a book coming out When Race Trumps Merit How the Pursuit of Equity Sacrifices Excellence Destroys Beauty, and Threatens Lives. Heather, are we seeing, based on the response that is occurring in cities now — not in all, but in some — are Democrats at the point, because let’s be honest, it’s Democrats who run these cities, whether it’s Memphis or L.A. or New York, are they at the point where they’re starting to have to bow to the reality of facts when it comes to policing and move more toward a rational approach? Or have you just seen the activists continue to get their way? I mean, where’s the momentum?

MAC DONALD: Well, after this beating, I hear renewed calls for abolition. But, you know, I think the conservatives were wrong strategically. They put too much emphasis initially on defunding and the actual word itself. There, in fact, were very few Democratic politicians who are actually calling for defunding or dismantling police departments. And Biden could rightly say, “Oh, well, look at, I’ve put funding in my, you know, George Floyd Bill or whatever for more cops hiring,” at the same time that his rhetoric makes it virtually impossible that that funding will be taken up for cop hiring because nobody wants to join a profession where the president tells you that you’re preying on black children every single day. So, I don’t know. There’s a lot of division, I know, in conservative ranks about how to read the midterm elections. I, as a pessimist by nature, do not think that the midterm elections showed that the country is ready to say, “You know what? The police are the solution. They’re not the problem.”

BUCK: So, we haven’t suffered enough, basically, Heather. We haven’t suffered enough. That’s where we are.

MAC DONALD: Not enough.

CLAY: Heather, I think this is not getting enough attention and I’m sure that, you know, the latest numbers and the trend lines. Police are being murdered, killed on the job in massively increasing numbers over the last three or four years. How prevalent is that becoming and what does the statistical data reflect, that not only are cops being disrespected more by citizens, that’s leading directly to more cops dying on the job?

MAC DONALD: Oh, it certainly is. I mean, in last year, there were 73 cops that were murdered. That was a massive jump. And when you do it on a per capita basis, looking at those 73 murdered cops compared to a police force nationally of about under 700,000 officers, and you compare that to the number of unarmed blacks who were killed by cops. And traditionally black males have made up 42% of all cop killers nationwide, even though they’re 6% of the population. A police officer is 400 times as likely to be killed by a black male as an unarmed black is to be killed by a police officer. People are resisting arrest.

And of course, every time you demonize the cops, as we’re doing now, you’re going to increase hatred, resentment, tensions in the community and resisting arrest. And that puts officers’ lives in danger. In danger. And when you delegitimate the policing profession and the criminal justice system more generally, as Biden did both before and after the release of the of the Tyre Nichols video, saying, “Well, you know, we still don’t…we have a criminal justice system that refuses to mete out fair treatment.” Those words have very, very serious consequences. People approach interactions with hostility. They are less inclined to obey lawful orders. We could end virtually all cop killings tomorrow.

That is, officer-involved killings when the officer shoots a civilian, if people complied with commands and did not resist arrest. Now, I’m sympathetic to Tyre Nichols taking off at this point, although we do not have the full tapes. Perhaps he was violently resisting arrest before trying to grab a gun. This well may be true because there are parts of the videos we have not seen. But from what we see, I actually feel sorry for the guy and I understand him taking off and running. But as a general matter, if the cop tells you to do something, you follow commands and you will not be shot or roughed up. Period.

CLAY: I’m glad you’re bringing that up, Heather, because that is what I tell my kids and that’s what I would encourage everybody out there listening who has kids and grandkids. Look, if you believe your constitutional rights are being violated by a police officer, you have time to challenge that in the court, comply with their initial demands as best you can. Do not accelerate the intensity of that violence by not complying. I wish everyone in America would share that message with their kids and their grandkids. And I say kids and grandkids because by and large, young men are the ones that are getting in trouble for violent acts and are creating and acting violently, Heather. So, I’m glad that you’re pointing that out. Didn’t you think that based on what we’ve seen so far of the Tyre Nichols video, that it was actually far worse than the George Floyd video?

MAC DONALD: Oh, absolutely. I mean, this was a deliberate aggression and it was also, I mean, the tactics are just abysmal. These guys — it makes the Keystone cops look like they’re a, you know, finely tuned corps de ballet with Baryshnikov or something. It is just atrocious. I don’t know if these cops were, from the start, incapable of absorbing training or if they simply don’t have decent training in Memphis. They clearly need training in controlling stress. But, yes, they are what appears to be — and again, we do not know the context. We do not know whether he was high on drugs. We don’t even have a proper autopsy. But it appears to be gratuitous use of force. And Chauvin was stolid and impassive.

There’s many police officers who will tell you that the hold he was using was, in fact, legitimate under Minneapolis rules. But this was something far beyond that. And I’ve also had officers tell me that it looks like they are all reluctant to get down on the ground with him and use their need to restrain him as we saw with Chauvin and are standing over him and administering these completely feckless blows. Somebody has suggested that may also be one of the usual unintended consequences of our overreaction to the Chauvin killing. And now maybe people are not willing to get down and use legitimate tactics in, and are instead resorting to the blows and the batons and the kicks.

CLAY: Heather Mac Donald, keep up the fantastic work. We appreciate you giving the time to us today. Encourage everybody to check out her work. You can find more about Heather on ClayAndBuck.com. Heather, thank you so much.

MAC DONALD: Such an honor, Clay and Buck. Thank you so much.

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MSNBC Host’s Description of Florida Sounds Pretty Awesome

1 Feb 2023

On MSNBC, Joy Reid tried to attack the governor of Florida, Ron DeSantis, but ended up making a pitch for a place that sounds fantastic.

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