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KJP Stonewalls Doocy: “I Would Refer You to the White House Counsel”

25 Jan 2023

As the walls close in on Joe Biden, fresh boxes full of classified and Top Secret documents seem to turn up every other news cycle. Democrats are desperate for him to stop the bleeding now that a special counsel has been appointed.

Yes, as the president tries to hide in the Oval Office to avoid questions, his spokesperson isn’t so fortunate — and she can’t even say if this is the end of the scandal or if Biden is still hiding files from the authorities!

Remember, Hunter Biden and his Chinese Communist business partners among other foreign oligarchs breezed in and out of these places, including the “locked garage” which Joe Biden laughably seems to think is more secure than Mar-a-Lago.

Check out Clay on “Wins & Losses” with Miranda Devine. They do a real deep dive into all the details.

You can almost pick up some romantic comedy vibes in some of Jean-Pierre’s exchanges with Peter Doocy.

Of course, we know he’s not her type. Tweet us your take @ClayAndBuck — or, if you’re a 24/7 VIP, send us an email. Plus, remember to subscribe to the iHeartRadio podcast so you don’t miss a minute of entertaining commentary.

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Really Smart or Just a Rich Nerd? Bill Gates Admits He Got Everything Wrong on the Covid Vax

25 Jan 2023

Bill Gates is fabulously wealthy, so why does that make him and so many others think he’s an expert on medicine? Well, guess what? When it came to the covid shot, he was wrong.

Well, at least he admits it, which is more than we can say for most other covid zealots. Tweet us your take @ClayAndBuck — or, if you’re a 24/7 VIP, send us an email. Plus, remember to subscribe to the iHeartRadio podcast so you don’t miss a minute of entertaining commentary.

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Scarborough Throws Hissy Fit After Being Called Out for Covid Idiocy

25 Jan 2023

A year ago, MSNBC imbecile Joe Scarborough would have ridiculed anyone who compared covid to the flu. Now, he’s denigrating people as “morons” and “idiots” despite the fact that they were right; he was wrong about the comparison to the flu shot. Here’s a flashback to what he was reading off the teleprompter on March 31, 2021, early in the pandemic.

However, this turncoat Republican congressman never admits he’s wrong even after getting a severe case of covid.

The only answer is, well, he didn’t get enough boosters.

Along these same lines, the Biden regime is trying to claw back money from members of the military who refused the covid shot. They should all be given full back pay and an apology from Uncle Sam.

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Clay Claps Back: Service Members Fired Over Vax Are Being Forced to Repay Bonuses

25 Jan 2023

On Fox & Friends, Clay stood up for members of our military who were fired for refusing to take the covid shot and from whom the Biden administration is now trying to claw back bonuses they earned.

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Mike Pompeo Tells C&B: “I Don’t Believe I Have Anything Classified”

24 Jan 2023

CLAY: We are joined now by Mike Pompeo, 70th Secretary of State, former CIA director under Donald Trump. His new book, Never Give an Inch: Fighting for the America I Love. And Secretary Pompeo, you probably didn’t expect this would be the lead question, but given that Mike Pence has classified documents and given that Donald Trump has classified documents and Joe Biden has classified documents, do you have classified documents? Have you gone back through papers in the wake of all this? What do you make of everybody seeming to have classified documents?

SEC. POMPEO: Oh, my goodness, what a mess. No, I don’t believe I have anything that’s classified. Anybody who has it, they should turn it back in. What a mess. Classified documents should stay in the places they’re supposed to be. And just as importantly, if it turns out that somehow, they got where they weren’t supposed to be, you should give them back. And then you should be as transparent as you can about how the heck it happened. By the way, you shouldn’t say you don’t have regrets. If someone showed up and had classified information in my home or near my Corvette, I promise you, I wouldn’t say I didn’t have any regrets. I would regret it deeply that I screwed up in that way.

BUCK: Secretary Pompeo, it’s Buck. I wanted to ask you about the reports on Abrams tanks possibly being provided to Ukraine by the U.S. A lot of the people you’re speaking to now, who are listening all across the country served in Iraq and Afghanistan. We’ve a lot of veterans in this audience, a lot of active-duty military. And I hear from them frequently about their concerns that we’re getting deeper and deeper into the Ukraine fight. One, do you think the Abrams tank should be provided? And then where would you draw the line on U.S. support for the fight against Russia?

SEC. POMPEO: Well, two things. I do think that that equipment should be provided if the Ukrainians can make use of it and it can help them push back against the invasion by Vladimir Putin. It’s in America’s best interest to do so. They haven’t asked for… To your point, I’m a veteran too. I served as a young soldier, on the then East German communist border. I worry about America getting too deeply involved but the best way to keep American soldiers from having to fight in Europe or to fight against Russia or China, any place, is to make sure that when an authoritarian invades a place like Ukraine and they haven’t asked the 82nd Airborne, they haven’t asked for a motorized rifle division, all they said is, “Can you send us stuff?” We ought to provide them with the stuff that we can that they can use, that they can be trained on that are actually going to deliver against the mission set. It’s the only way to end Putin’s invasion of Europe.

CLAY: Secretary Pompeo. A lot of talk lately about 2024. Who’s running, what the time frame is to run. If you are going to run for president, when would you announce? And are you exploring running for president now?

SEC. POMPEO: So, my wife and I are praying about it, trying to figure out if this is the next place for us to go serve. As for timeline, we kind of think late spring, early summer is probably when she and I will have to turn from prayer to action. And if we decide to get in, head to Iowa and South Carolina to make our case to the American people and, if not, find where it is we’ll next move if not in elected office? So, I was thinking about it.

CLAY: Yeah. So far, Donald Trump is in. Does that impact your thinking in any way, given that you were a secretary of state and served at the CIA under him? Or is it not even about who else is running from your determination?

SEC. POMPEO: No, it has nothing to do with who else runs. Whether President Biden runs, former President Trump or whomever. In the end, you know, you must come to believe that this is the time and you have something that you can not only offer the American people in terms of a policy agenda that delivers good outcomes for them, but that you have the tenacity, the wherewithal, the capability to actually deliver on those promises. If you believe those two things. And it all works as a personal matter. You have an obligation to go make your case and then let the American people sort it all out.

BUCK: Speaking to Mike Pompeo, former CIA director, former secretary of state under Trump, and his book is out today. So, our timing here on Clay and Buck, as always, is excellent. Never Give an Inch is the book. And Secretary Pompeo, I got to ask you, because it’s always fun whenever I see a book come out from somebody on our side of things to see what the media focuses on right away. And they are drilling down into it. It’s all over Twitter, “Oh, my gosh, have you seen Mike Pompeo’s book?”, which I guess in a sense this is kind of an unintentional advertisement they are doing. “Have you seen his book Never Give an Inch because of what he says about the murdered journalist Jamal Khashoggi?” Well, Mr. Secretary, what did you say and why are they all so upset about it?

SEC. POMPEO: Oh, goodness. I don’t know. I don’t know what they’re so upset about. The Washington Post has had a discussion about this. When I was in office, we made very clear the murder of Jamal Khashoggi was nasty, it was heinous. We sanctioned 13 Saudis for what they did. But we also knew that that person’s life wasn’t more important than the lives of American soldiers who are protecting us. And we weren’t about to give up the partnership with the Kingdom of Saudi Arabia that was helping us keep the American economy going and keeping American security going.

You can see what happens when you flip the script. President Biden said, “Oh, this is a pariah nation.” He immediately had to go on bended knee to the kingdom and ask them to produce just a little more crude oil. We did not for a moment mistake the fact that this was a bad act, but we did not for a moment forget the putting America first was what really mattered most in keeping America secure and keeping a relationship, a security relationship and a diplomatic relationship with the Kingdom of Saudi Arabia and the United States.

CLAY: Secretary Pompeo, there’s a big debate now still ongoing about where covid came from. You have worked in the CIA. You certainly served as secretary of state. Do you think it’s a settled question? What’s your own opinion about where covid came from? Was it a lab leak or was this a natural animal evolution of a virus?

SEC. POMPEO: It’s largely a settled question. This virus came from a laboratory where they were working on the virus and others like it in Wuhan, China, and it leaked accidentally from that lab. And then the Chinese Communist Party knowingly sent that virus across the world when it was inside of human beings on airplanes. And they killed millions of people as a result of that decision.

CLAY: So, what consequences should there be on China? And what do you think about people like Dr. Fauci who are still saying, “Oh, I don’t believe the lab leak theory happened?” If you’re correct — and I agree with you — that this was a lab leak and that China tried to cover it up and also then basically spread this virus all over the world, it seems like there should be really severe consequences for them. And it also seems like it’s kind of an important discussion to be having in the United States and not have somebody like Dr. Fauci wagging his finger and saying “The evidence doesn’t support this and how dare you even raise it as an issue.”

SEC. POMPEO: Well, the second one’s easy. And Dr. Fauci got this wrong from the beginning. (Unintelligible) debates on gain of function research is angles on the head of a pin. The truth is, he knew that America was funding gain of function research in the laboratories in China. I can’t explain why he’s chosen to do that. Perhaps it’s money. I don’t truly know. But I know this. I know he’s wrong. I know that with near certainty that it came from that lab. You should know that lab is still up and operating and conducting the same kind of research it did before this thing leaked. Who knows when we will see that again? Which really gets to your second question, what should the penalty be? How should we respond to that? There are lots of pieces to this. The challenge to the Chinese Communist Party far extends beyond…it’s far beyond the challenge of the Wuhan virus. And we have for 40 years allowed the Chinese Communist Party to be at war with us, at least economic war. And we’ve turned the other cheek. One of the things I’m most proud of that I did a secretary of state, is we confronted the Chinese Communist Party in a serious way. We understood its ideology, we understood its economic motive, and we began to put real restrictions on their capacity to do harm to the American people.

BUCK: Secretary of State Pompeo, appreciate you joining us to talk to us about all this. And people should go check out the book: Never Give an Inch. Former Secretary Pompeo. Appreciate you, sir.

SEC. POMPEO: Gentlemen, thank you. Have a good day.

BUCK: Thank you.

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Andy McCarthy: It’s Starting to Look Like Everybody Does It

24 Jan 2023

CLAY: We bring in now our buddy Andy McCarthy, who is doing an incredible job breaking down so much of the legal-related issues all around the absurdity of classified documents and beyond. Fox News contributor, former federal prosecutor at the Southern District of New York. He spent over 20 years there, wrote a book — Ball of Collusion: The Plot to Rig an Election and Destroy a Presidency — and like me, he also had…sorry Buffalo fans and also fans of the Dallas Cowboys. You got a Bills/Cowboys Super Bowl that went up in smoke on Sunday as well.

MCCARTHY: I did, Clay. And you know, I feel terrible about this because I hate both teams. I just, you know, I thought they were…I thought they were getting hot at the right time. So, who knows.

CLAY: Do you think before we get into serious stuff, do you think Tom Brady’s going to retire or do you think he’ll come back?

MCCARTHY: No, I think he’s going to play another year. I think he could still. He’d have to be like in the right offense, right? Because he could still really throw the ball. He’s not, you know, he’s not what he used to be, but that’s like saying Ichiro is only hitting .305, you know? I mean, he’s still really pretty good.

CLAY: I think he’s going to end up down in Miami where Buck’s spending part of the year now. I think he’s going to be another Miamian. More Miami people. I think he’s going to play for the Dolphins. That’s my prediction for Tom Brady.

MCCARTHY: Got a lot of reports about that today that he’s like, checking out schools and stuff like that. So. we’ll see.

CLAY: Yeah, we’ll see. All right. So, let’s dive into Mike Pence today, comes out and says he’s got classified documents. The continued fallout. Five different times Joe Biden has been caught with classified documents. What’s your take on the big picture question here of whether anybody’s going to get charged with anything related to these classified documents?

MCCARTHY: I don’t think anybody’s going to get charged. But like I think we discussed before, if you had asked me that question like two and a half weeks ago, I would say, you know, Trump was 100% going to be charged.

CLAY: Yeah, I was with you.

MCCARTHY: Now I don’t think anyone will be. But my other big picture impression, I couldn’t help this, but I’m reminded — I guess this is because I’m getting too old — but I’m reminded of the Clinton-Lewinsky stuff where the Democrats refrain throughout those years was, “Everybody does it.” And I’m like, “Well, no, everybody doesn’t have sex with interns in the White House”, but maybe everybody does do this. I don’t…it’s starting to look that way, isn’t it?

BUCK: Andy, you know, you may have seen yesterday there was an arrest of a former top FBI official who oversaw counterintelligence in New York City. I don’t know if you guys ever crossed paths in your day, but Charles McGonigal is facing charges of money laundering, I think, among others, that he took money from a former Albanian intelligence employee and a representative of the Russian oligarch Oleg Deripaska. A lot of people see this and they say so one of the guys who…if you were involved at that level in counterintelligence in New York City, the FBI office in New York City, you certainly were aware of the Trump-Russia collusion investigations and things going on there. So, somebody who would have been overseeing the fake Russia collusion investigation of Trump has now been charged with colluding with Russians to evade U.S. money laundering laws.

MCCARTHY: Yeah, that’s exactly right. And, Buck, I was reminded…you guys were kind enough to mention my book in the intro. I wrote a lot in the book about Deripaska, including the fact that, you know, number one, the FBI tried to flip him in, was it 2016? Before the Trump stuff ever got rolling. And that was the reason they were dealing with Steele at the time, because Steele was working for Deripaska while the FBI was taking information from him that ended up in the Steele dossier, which I thought in and of itself was remarkable.

And, you know, the funny thing with Deripaska was apparently, the bureau. One of the reasons the bureau soured on the whole idea of turning him is when he sat down with them, they pitched him on this on the Trump-Putin conspiracy and he was like, what are you talking about? There’s no Trump-Putin conspiracy, which apparently that was not what the party line was at the time. But, I’m just…I can’t help…I mean, it’s terrible for the FBI, but I can’t help but be amused by, you know, the way these guys, you know, seem to change on a dime. So, like, you know, first they’re trying to flip Deripaska, then they’re prosecuting Deripaska. Then the head of the foreign counterintelligence in New York is working for Deripaska. It makes you dizzy, doesn’t it?

BUCK: Is the FBI something that we could dramatically reform in a meaningful way, Andy? I mean, a lot of people ask me this all the time, and I know some people on the right will say, “Oh, we got to tear it down to the studs and start anew.” Well, if you’re going to have federal laws, you’re going to have a federal law enforcement agency. So, you know, remolding the…you know, people think, “Oh, we have a DNI and we had NCTC and all these things. You know, we didn’t need all that, right? You’re just creating more bureaucracy to paper over the failures of the bureaucracy you had before. Could we do something within the FBI? I mean, can there be a housecleaning that would be meaningful?

MCCARTHY: I think there could. But if they were serious about it, like, if they really went about it in a church committee type style, I’m not a big fan of the outcomes of the Church Committee, but like the driving force behind it, those spying scandals and the, you know, the sixties into the eighties, those were good reasons to have that committee. And if they…you know, I think, you know, if you throw out the extremes of both sides, like, there’s one side on the left that wants to defund all police and really doesn’t believe in prosecution at all. And then there’s people on the right who I think unrealistically think that we could get on without a federal police force.

I just think the way society is and the way the law is now, you have to have a federal police force. It doesn’t have to be the FBI, but we have to have one. So, if you toss those people aside, I think there’s enough people in the broad middle on both sides who have gripes about the current FBI. And maybe that’s the makings if people could…if we still have a capability in Washington of people, like being grown-ups with respect to a problem that everybody understands is a problem. I mean, my own view of that, you and I, I think, have talked about this before.

I think the bureau, after 9/11 became too much of an intelligence agency, and it started to be an intelligence agency with a police sideline. And they’re very, you know, I think intelligence work is very important. Police work is very important, but they’re very different. And if you become an intelligence agency, it really damages your dedication to civil rights, which police have to keep like in the front of their minds. And I think that’s what’s really hurt the FBI. I would take their counterintelligence mission away from them.

CLAY: Andy, I want you to take me into what a search of Joe Biden’s home would have required, at least in your mind, from a sort of procedural mechanics perspective. It’s one thing when you know Mar-A-Lago, they show up at former President Trump’s home and they raid that. But for a sitting president to be essentially searched by his own Department of Justice’s FBI is truly unprecedented. Is that something that Merrick Garland signs off on? Is that something that is threatened if the Biden regime does not comply? Like who? I just don’t even understand how that ends up happening. What do you think the mechanics and the procedures behind the scenes were like for this?

MCCARTHY: Clay, I think that the big thing was Biden signing off on it, because you’re quite right. You know, this is…President Trump had a very exalted status because he’s a former president, which is a big deal, but it doesn’t have any political power. Whereas the incumbent president is the only guy I mean, you know, Justice Scalia taught us all this like 30 years ago. Right? Or 40 years ago. The only person with power in the executive branch is the president. Everybody else, including the attorney general in the executive branch, is a delegate who exercises the president’s power at the president’s pleasure. And that includes the special counsel.

Like they tried to tell you, they’re getting an independent prosecutor and there’s no independent prosecutor. In the United States, prosecutions have executive function. Everybody answers to the president. So, they couldn’t have done this without Biden’s signoff. It would have been insubordinate. And I think that’s probably a big part of the reason why they didn’t get a search warrant, which they certainly had legal grounds for, and why they cut a deal with Biden’s lawyers that they were able to accompany the FBI as they did the search, which of course, didn’t happen in Trump’s case. So, I think the mechanics of this is Biden has to sign off on it, and then there’s probably some limits that are negotiated about what they are allowed to look at or where they’re allowed to look. And then the lawyers went along with them as they went from room to room in the house.

BUCK: Andy. So, this basically goes where in your mind, I mean, how does all this end up? I mean, you saw Mike Pence has classified documents at home to this has crossed over into crazy town.

MCCARTHY: Yeah. So, I think that’s a big part of why nothing’s going to happen with this, because I think people are starting to think that, you know, if we now started to look at…like, listen to what Biden’s excuses here. Right? He wants you to believe that it was sloppy aides who packed up his stuff and sent it to, you know, and it turned out that classified information ended up in there as if the aides had security clearances. Right? As if the aides, when he was a senator, went into the skiff with them and are the ones who stole the docu– You know, I mean, it’s ridiculous.

But I think there’s such a a culture of carelessness that if we started to search a lot of these guys, who knows what we would find? And everybody kind of realizes that. So, I think the Democrats badly want to prosecute Trump, right? So, if it was just Trump who had this problem, there would be a very high chance that he’d be indicted. But now that it looks like Biden has it and Pence has it, who knows what will…you know, who’s the next person we’ll hear about? I don’t think they’re going to get indicted and I wonder if Pence having these documents is going to lessen the enthusiasm of the new Republican majority in the House to start asking a lot of aggressive questions.

Because I really think that’s the only way we’re going to find out anything here. The special counsels are there to just say, “You know, we’re doing our investigation, we can’t comment.” So, this whole thing is supposed to go into a black hole. Either the Republicans in the House use their subpoena power and conduct hearings. That’s the only way we’re going to find out anything. And I just wonder if they’ll do that at this point.

CLAY: Andy, you mentioned earlier and Buck and I both have this opinion now. My opinions changed. I thought they would charge Trump over the classified documents. I now think I agree with you that they will not. I wonder if this classified document scandal is becoming so all-encompassing that it actually is going to make it harder for the Department of Justice to charge Trump for anything January 6th related. Now, I presume you would think those were harder charges to bring in the first place, but do you think this overall mushroom cloud of incompetence that sort of is surrounding everything now is actually making it far less likely that anything January 6th related will also be brought against President Trump?

MCCARTHY: That’s a really interesting question. I hadn’t thought about that. I thought up until now that they look at January 6th and the classic the Mar a Lago documents as like two separate boxes that don’t really have much to do with each other, although I do think that if they had found at Mar a Lago any documents that were incriminating with respect to the Capitol riot, they would certainly have used them. But I thought they were looking at that as like two separate trends.

CLAY: I agree with you, by the way, on that. But I thought the charges would actually be easier on the classified docs to prove.

MCCARTHY: Yeah, totally.

CLAY: And so, but it’s such a mushroom cloud now that I almost feel like it implicates January 6th and I was just wondering if you thought so too, because in the mind of the public charging anybody now when it looks like there could be, you know, potentially felonious behavior everywhere, feels kind of like a arbitrary and capricious application of the law.

MCCARTHY: I think there could be something to be said for that. But I still think that their big problem with January 6th is because Trump is not implicated in the violence. The only way that you make a federal case out of that is to criminalize John Eastman’s legal theory. I just think that this whole idea of going down the avenue of making a felony into frivolous legal theories is nuts. I mean, I don’t think we want to live in that kind of a system. I know there are so rabid to get Trump that they’ll probably overlook all that. But I’ve had hope that because they haven’t done it up until now, that maybe Garland realizes this is, like, a really bad idea.

BUCK: Andy McCarthy, everybody. Look for his latest on National Review and also on Fox News. Andy, we always appreciate it. Look forward to talking to you again.

MCCARTHY: Thanks, guys. Have a good one.

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VIP Video: It Used To Be a Conspiracy Theory, But Now the FDA Agrees

24 Jan 2023

Remember when you’d get banned on Twitter for comparing covid to the flu? Well, now the FDA and none other than noted medical expert Joe Scarborough agree that the covid and flu shots are basically the same. C&B have some fun with this one.

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They Found What at Mike Pence’s House?

24 Jan 2023

It seems every day that passes, a new cache of classified and Top Secret documents show up at one of Joe Biden’s many unsecured homes and offices. Naturally, that meant it was time to look into another Republican, so they settled on the former vice president, Mike Pence, in an effort to draw some moral equivalence beyond President Trump.

The Pence and Biden scandals now cancel things out, says Clay, and means the effort to use it to disqualify President Trump is dead.

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The Most Consequential — and Incompetent — Transportation Secretary in Recent Memory?

24 Jan 2023

They didn’t have to shut down air traffic yet today, so that counts as an accomplishment for Transportation Secretary Pete Buttigieg. But that doesn’t mean he didn’t say anything stupid.

We know all he wants is to be president. Will he ever get there?

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We’re Closer to Doomsday!

24 Jan 2023

Clay & Buck discussed the Doomsday Clock ticking forward ten seconds towards humanity’s doom, although the likelihood of a nuclear war over Ukraine seems far less likely than a year ago.

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