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WSJ Exposes Direct Evidence of Biden WH Covid Censorship

9 Jan 2023

Clay & Buck hit the ground running on Monday with a Wall Street Journal exposé by Jenin Younes and Aaron Kheriaty. WSJ: The White House Covid Censorship Machine

The White House colluded, cajoled, and bullied social media companies to push the anti-science government line of the Faucites and censor anyone who asked questions. Tweet us your take @ClayAndBuck — or, if you’re a 24/7 VIP, send us an email.

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Culture Wins: Southern Schools Are Booming for a Reason

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From Lunges to CFP Predictions, Clay Catches Up with Markwayne Mullin

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The Oklahoma senator has some fun -- and talks some serious issues, too.

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Clay Reacts to New House Minority Whip’s Ridiculous Claims

9 Jan 2023

Clay joined Steve Hilton on Fox News Channel to discuss the incoming House Democratic leadership’s divisive attacks on the new GOP majority, lamenting that they’re not working for the good of the country.

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VIP Video: Clay and Buck Bring You the Truth on January 6th

6 Jan 2023

Yes. It’s January 6th. Why is the nation commemorating a 4-hour riot — in which the only person killed was an unarmed veteran — and not the hundreds of violent and deadly BLM and Antifa protests that lit up the country 2 years ago?

Successful Democrat propaganda, that’s why. Watch Clay and Buck break it down.

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Shocking New Poll on Trump’s GOP Favorability

6 Jan 2023

It wasn’t too long ago that Donald Trump had an approval rating among Republicans in the mid-90s. So this new poll  is raising eyebrows. Trump’s approval with Republican voters in this poll? 72%. Still strong, but down significantly.

Do you buy that Trump has taken a hit in the GOP or do you think this poll is out of whack? Tweet us your take @ClayAndBuck — or, if you’re a 24/7 VIP, send us an email.

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NFL Players Want to Know If the Covid Shot Caused Damar Hamlin’s Cardiac Event

6 Jan 2023

There’s great news on Damar Hamlin. He’s off the breathing tube, communicating with teammates, and it looks like he’s going to be okay.

Now’s the time to find out what happened to him.

As Clay said on Friday’s show: “I’ll tell you. There are a lot of players in NFL locker rooms asking: Did the covid shot have anything to do with this heart condition?”

Maybe the covid shot had nothing to do with it, and this was the result of a freak hit to the chest or something else, but we shouldn’t be afraid to ask the question.

Do you think side-effects of the covid vaccine contributed to Damar Hamlin’s collapse? Tweet us your take @ClayAndBuck — or, if you’re a 24/7 VIP, send us an email.

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Anna Paulina Luna Brings Us the Inside Scoop on the Speaker Negotiations

6 Jan 2023

CLAY: We head to Washington, D.C. right now, where there is reportedly about to begin a 13th vote to determine who the Speaker of the House is going to be. Speaker Kevin McCarthy — Kevin McCarthy seems to be in line to be Speaker — he has gained 14 more votes in the 12th round of voting. Among those votes, Anna Paulina Luna, a newly elected congressperson from the state of Florida. Thank you for joining us. You flipped your vote. What happened to encourage you that Kevin McCarthy was the right choice, Anna, and thanks for joining us?

REP.-ELECT LUNA: Yes, of course. Thanks for having me back on. And to be clear, I’m actually still here talking to you guys from the cloakroom on the floor. But my vote hinges on basically making these negotiations in good faith. So right now, there is a framework for negotiation that changes the very foundation in which Congress functions. And this negotiation that we’re working on will essentially outlive every single person in this legislative body. And when I came here and on the campaign trail, I told thousands of people I heard their concerns and I understand how the system is fundamentally broken.

There is way too much power consolidated into the hands of the Speaker, and so one of my first terms for my vote would be bringing back the Jeffersonian motion to vacate the chair, which allows any one member at any time or any place to bring a motion to the floor to remove the Speaker, and that’s huge. That’s an accountability that Nancy Pelosi removed from Congress when she decided that she essentially wanted to consolidate very dangerous power into her position as Speaker. That is an offer that is on the table from Kevin McCarthy. But there are many more changes. I can’t get into the details of those changes because, again, my vote hinges on making these negotiations in good faith.

And so what you are going to see is something that the American people deserve to see. We owe them this discussion and this dialogue, and you’re seeing that play out in real time. It is historic, as this is, I think, one of the first times in 100 years that this has happened. But please understand that we would not be shifting unless we really did feel that this was monumental. And I do advise everyone today — tonight, actually — to watch Tucker Carlson as Representative Thomas Massie is going to be going onto his show, talking about what we are in negotiations with. So we are going to continue to work on this. Again, nothing is going to change. I do believe that we are still going to be going back out onto the floor. But this is monumental, and I hope that the American people trust that we are actually fighting to change this institution and the way that it functions and to empower the American people over Big Government.

BUCK: Hey, Anna, it’s Buck, and appreciate your joining us. And we’ve been meaning to get you on during this whole… I’ve been calling it a ruckus, but it’s fine. You know, this is democracy playing out, what, however, people want to describe the back and forth over the Speaker’s, the Speaker’s chair. I think it’s important that this gets done the right way. And I like the transparency. I like that people are focused in on it. You said you can’t tell us what’s on the table, but what about the things that have already been reported on?

For example, things like how many seats people get on different committees, things like that. I mean, can you just…? Can you give us a little more of a sense? I mean, you’ve made some compelling broad points about how this will change the institution. We had already seen reporting about a motion to vacate the chair from one individual. Is there anything else, though, that you can just tell us that is at issue here? Because it is sounding more like this is about Congress and less about Kevin McCarthy. Is that fair?

REP.-ELECT LUNA: I would have to say, yes. This is about restoring the hands into the power of the representatives and really ensuring that the legislative body represents all ideologies, not just a mainstream… I guess I don’t want to say “mainstream,” but it doesn’t just represent maybe a less-conservative voice. So one of the biggest, I guess, shocks that I had when I got to Washington is I found that the Rules Committee actually controls all the legislation that hits the floor, and so you can’t just bring a bill to the floor and then call for a vote.

And that’s incredibly important because if you have a bill that you think might be great on behalf of the American people, and those people in that committee don’t agree with it, it doesn’t go to the floor. And so we’ve asked to diversify the conference. I can tell you that I haven’t asked for anything, that I actually have been focusing more or less on how do we decentralize power so that we avoid what’s happening in the House versus what’s happening in the Senate with McConnell?

CLAY: Anna, there’s been reports that President Trump has reached out to lobby on behalf of Kevin McCarthy. Has he reached out to you? Do you know if he has called any of the other holdouts to try to make the case that McCarthy makes the most sense?

REP.-ELECT LUNA: You know, I think President Trump, he respects our opinions individually and he trusts us to make the correct decisions. And remember, there are people who represent different districts that their people don’t want them to vote for McCarthy, and those people are not RINOs, are not, you know, not patriots. And I think that it’s important to note that the media has really tried to use this to divide the American people, to divide the House of Representatives. But I want everyone listening to this to understand, this entire time and really since November, we have been in discussions the entire time. Unfortunately, there was a little bit of a communications breakdown.

But that has been reestablished. This is in good faith, and this will move forward, and that’s where we really need to be. I can also tell you that I think President Trump wants what’s best for the American people, and you’re seeing that play out in real time, and so what you will see is transformative change. I have nothing but faith in this, and we have to let the process work out — and you know what? This is how Congress is supposed to function.

I think it’s funny when people think, you know, “Oh, my gosh! Congress is up there and they’re on C-SPAN, and, you know, they’re having discussions!” That’s what we’re supposed to do. And so I’m really glad because, you know, for two years with covid, this didn’t happen, but this also hasn’t happened in a hundred years. So we need the dialogue. The American people deserve it. And, you know, leadership needs to be held accountable, especially because of how things have gone over the last few decades.

BUCK: We’re speaking to Congresswoman Anna Paulina Luna from the state of Florida. Anna, assuming the Speaker’s situation — that the Speaker of the House is chosen here in short order, which looks likely to be the case based on the trend in the voting. Top of the agenda this year. Clay and I’ve been talking about how we don’t have the Senate, we don’t have the presidency, obviously. But there are some things that the Republican House can do. And given the principles you’re laying out there and the agenda that you would like to see, what should be done? What can be done?

REP.-ELECT LUNA: I can tell you that what I want to see and what this can bring to the table is something that it doesn’t matter who the Speaker is, because it will allow the body to function in a different way than has been done before. My goals right now for, you know, what we need to do is we need to look into what’s really happening with the weaponization of the federal government against the American people. What is going on with the corruption that has existed in this House for far too long to where, you know, you have agencies like the FBI being used against the American people. I mean, why is it that there is a double standard that exists with Republican and Democrats where you have Democrats or people in office…?

For example, the Hunter Biden laptop. I mean, all of these things are questions the American people deserve. But I also understand that right now, Senate is controlled by Democrats, that the White House is controlled by Democrats. And so right now in this Congress, what we will have a chance and an opportunity to do is to show the American people what’s really happening, to get them answers, but also to set the floor, to set the stage for 2024.

And that is exactly what we’re doing right now, because in 2024, we do need to take back the White House. And I want to remind everyone listening that when we had the House, the Senate and the executive branch, that there were still things that President Trump was not able to get done. And it was because Congress was working against him, a Republican Congress. And with this being in place, I just… I don’t think that that will be the case anymore, because we will absolutely have an equal say in everything coming to the floor.

CLAY: Anna, do you think that we’ll have a Speaker today — or, if not today, when do you think this thing may be resolved?

REP.-ELECT LUNA: I can’t put a timeline on it. But what I can tell you is that, again, these negotiations are in good faith and in talks. And as this transpires and as this goes through, ultimately what we need to do is we need to make sure that we are just keeping the American people as informed as we can. And so, I don’t want to put a timeline on it. But what I will say is that, you know, we can operate in good faith. But if what we have on the table, if it’s not followed through with, then again, I reserve the right to change my vote.

Because I’m not just voting for a person. I’m voting to actually change the institution, and that’s what matters to me. It’s not personal, but this is very serious. And I do believe and as you’ll hear, I think tonight from Representative Massie on Tucker Carlson, this is probably the transformative change that maybe only comes once, you know, in our time. And I think that this will outlast — again, if we continue with these negotiations — any member of Congress who is here today.

BUCK: Anna — Anna Paulina Luna, Congress, thanks so much for being with us. Appreciate talking to you as always.

REP.-ELECT LUNA: Thank you, bye.

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Amnesty Is the Biggest Threat to American Democracy

6 Jan 2023

While Democrats continue to lie about January 6th and “the insurrection,” they are facilitating the real threat to America democracy: Illegal immigration.

Biden’s going to the border on Sunday to push mass “aslyum,” which is just a new term for amnesty for the who-knows-how-many millions of illegal aliens in the United States.

DHS Secretary Mayorkas still won’t even call it a crisis.

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Julie Kelly on the Anniversary of January 6

6 Jan 2023

BUCK: We’ve got Julie Kelly joining us, senior writer at American Greatness. Her latest piece, which is posted at ClayAndBuck.com: “January 6: A Day That Will Live in Alchemy.” Julie, appreciate you joining us. First off, you know, what are you thinking about today as you’re going to be hearing, I’m sure a lot of Democrats memorializing, commemorating this anniversary?

KELLY: Yes, well, Happy Fedsurrection Day to both of you.

BUCK: (laughing)

KELLY: Thank you for having me on. You know, look, their narrative is quickly crumbling and I think they know that. That’s why they’re so desperate to lie about what happened and give out these presidential awards, which Joe Biden is doing today. Because not only is the narrative crumbling — you know, thanks to some reporting and exposing the truth, but also the weight of their own evidence, which is contained in their January 6th final report, the committee, and also some of these transcripts that are being released that completely contradict what these people have been saying for two years, which is that everyone was caught off guard, that Donald Trump incited this quote-unquote, “insurrection” after his speech on January 6, that no one had intelligence, that no one was preparing for this. This all is a lie, and it’s interesting because it’s being exposed as away from their own body of evidence.

CLAY: Julie, you had a tweet thread up that got me really fired up. There are around — and you would probably know better than me — 900-some-odd defendants so far for January 6. You said that the Department of Justice has made it be known that they plan on charging up to a thousand more people with violations for January 6th and then that part of the impetus for that is that they now have billions of more dollars in the Department of Justice to spend, which many Republicans signed off on. Tell us what the latest is on how many more defendants there could be and what the Department of Justice is signaling about their intentions going forward.

KELLY: Sure. So last year, Matthew Graves — who is the U.S. attorney for the District of Columbia, a Biden appointee, and they are handling every January 6th case. He indicated that his office thinks that there are up to 2,000 Trump supporters, January 6 protesters who broke the law that day. So, they are going to accelerate their criminal investigation. This week, the head of the Washington, D.C., FBI field office said in a statement commemorating January 6 that their FBI investigation would go on for years, and they are arresting people nearly every week.

I write about in my piece you talked about today a couple from Washington who was under FBI investigation for 14 months. They interrogated coworkers. Agents looked at hours of surveillance video and bodycam footage. They even got a search warrant on this couple’s cell phone devices to confirm they were inside the building on January 6. And what are they ultimately charged with? Four low-level misdemeanors. No violent charges, no weapon charges, no attacking police. Four misdemeanors. This is what they are going to continue to do throughout 2023 as they continue to expand the caseload, and this is all to support the idea that Trump supporters are basically domestic terrorists.

CLAY: So, Julie, building off of that question, the vast majority, I would imagine, of people who’ve been arrested for January 6-related offenses have been arrested for taking their own photos, and many of them posting them on social media as a part of that process. Right? Can you ever remember more people being charged with crimes that they documented themselves? In other words, if you really thought you were doing something — for everybody out there listening and I’m curious, you, too, Julie. If you really thought you were committing a crime. Very few times do people record themselves or Photoshop themselves — or photograph themselves, I should say — committing a crime. That’s where most of these charges are coming from, which to me is representative of how nonviolent most of the people being charged with crimes are.

KELLY: That’s such a great point. Yes, of course. You would never record yourself robbing a bank or doing anything legitimately illegal. You certainly wouldn’t do it while there’s police officers standing right there doing nothing to stop you from committing that crime. But, of course, that’s the case for hundreds of American citizens who are ensnared in this really destructive retaliatory investigation and prosecution by the Department of Justice. The couple I write about today walked in the Capitol Building through an open door. They walked around some hallways.

The women chatted with a Capitol Police officer. The man shared with a D.C. police officer. They weren’t arrested. They weren’t told to leave the building. Eventually, police led them to another door where they exited. They didn’t commit any violent crime and yet here they are under 14 months of FBI investigation before presumably their home was raided by FBI agents and then they’re hauled off to court, accused of four misdemeanors but in the process, destroying their lives because the regime has successfully branded these people insurrectionists, traitors and terrorists.

BUCK: We’re speaking to Julie Kelly. Her book is January 6: How Democrats Used the Capitol Protest to Launch a War on Terror Against the Political Right. Julie, what is this status…? Because you’ve been one of the people doing the most, I think, out there to get the word out about what’s happening to J6 defendants who have been held in incredibly harsh conditions and, in many cases, for nonviolent crimes. What is the status of J6 defendants in what I believe you’ve called before the D.C. Gulag system that they’ve been held in, including in solitary confinement?

KELLY: Well, the situation is a little more fluid than it was a year ago when we first started reporting on it — or really, I guess now almost two years — because you have people who have been sentenced or agreed to plea deals and they are then transferred to a permanent prison outside of the D.C. Gulag. At the same time, you have defendants who have been held under pretrial detention who are now being moved to the D.C. Gulag because every trial is taking place in Washington, D.C.

My guess, Clay and Buck, is that there are roughly 100 people behind bars right now, either under pretrial detention orders, which means they’ve been denied bail or bond, or because they have been sentenced for either a plea deal or conviction by a judge or a jury. And so this is the sort of caseload, though, the DOJ wants to expand, right? They want more people in prison. They want more people in the D.C. Gulag. They are political prisoners because we’ve never seen this happen before in the United States.

CLAY: Julie, do we get the sense that Republicans eventually…? By the way, 12 people have flipped towards McCarthy out of the 20; so, it’s going to be very close in this 12th the vote as to whether or not he’s going to be the speaker. Maybe he’s not going to get there, but it seems like he’s going to be the speaker eventually. When Republicans take back the House — obviously, the Senate not going to happen, but — do you get the sense now that we’re through the midterm election that some Republicans may start to take note of what’s happening to the January 6 defendants, or do you think many Republicans are still going to just turn their back on these people and pretend that these abuses of Department of Justice power are not happening?

KELLY: I think many will continue to turn their backs, and that includes Kevin McCarthy. And one reason why is because they bought into the insurrection narrative early on. You will recall the Kevin McCarthy calls it an “insurrection” from the House floor, and he said Donald Trump is partially to blame. Well, now that we know what we thought we saw on January 6 is not actually the truth, but there was a lot of operations and machinations behind the scenes for months before what happened that day, they have too much bias. So they’re not going to come back now and say, “Oh, this looked like mostly an inside job and we’re going to figure out what happened.”

I was encouraged, though, by House Republican report that was authored by Jim Jordan and Jim Banks and a few others that looked at the security — I believe intentional security — failures on January 6th. They got some interesting records, including that of Paul Irving, who was the House Sergeant at Arms responsible for securing the Capitol. I’m hoping, though, that that report is a start. Instead of, “Well, here. We looked at it and now we’re done examining January 6.” That can’t be because we know there’s so much more to find out, so many unanswered questions. And the people who are innocent Americans who are having their lives destroyed by this criminal prosecution, they deserve most of all to find out what the government was doing, what it was responsible for, so they can clear their names and get the actual truth out.

BUCK: Julie, what is your opinion of the Ray Epps controversy, the Ray Epps situation?

KELLY: I just think it’s fascinating to read his transcript and see how people like Adam Kinzinger basically act as his defense attorney, you know, asking these leading questions where he could sort of claim his innocence, which, of course, you know, as far as we know, he is innocent. It doesn’t, he says numerous times he was not working for a federal agency. That doesn’t mean he wasn’t working for some other interest group. But what’s interesting to me is two things:

The text that he sent to his family that said he helped orchestrate what happened, which is the same sort of text or message that’s been used as evidence against January 6ers. But also, it looks like he was on restricted grounds for at least an hour, not to mention the fact that he was involved in the first physical breach of the exterior perimeter of Capitol grounds. But then he was on technically restricted grounds for over an hour. Now, there are several people who didn’t go inside the building who face criminal charges for being on restricted grounds. So it’s just unclear why Ray Epps not only has been defended by January 6 propagandists, but remains uncharged to this day.

CLAY: Last question for you, Julie. You’ve been pretty adamant that you believe Donald Trump is going to be charged in relation to these investigations. What do you think the time frame on that would be? Yeah, because I was having an interesting conversation recently where my fear — and I’m curious whether you would agree with this and Buck and I have talked about this some — is that instead of trying to knock Donald Trump out of the running for the Republican nomination, that the calculus is actually to charge him closer to the primary season and count on Republicans rallying around him and then getting him the nomination. In other words, I don’t think that Democrats want to knock Donald Trump out of contention for the presidency. I think they want Joe Biden to run against Trump again because they think that they will beat him again. And if that were true, then the timing to indict him would actually be like, you know, August or September of this year if they were going to indict him. What do you think and what do you expect?

KELLY: I think that’s such an interesting angle. It’s honestly not one I’ve thought about until you guys brought it up, I think, during our last interview. But it makes a lot of sense. So the idea that they don’t want Donald Trump to run, you know, they say insurrection and he is disqualified because he was involved in this insurrection, means that very well could be that they are signaling something other than what they really want.

CLAY: Yeah, and the reason why I mean, that, Julie, is they got involved in every primary that they could in 2022 to pick people who had defended Trump because they thought they were weaker candidates. I think they’re trying to cut down Trump to make him a weaker candidate, but they actually want him as the nominee.

KELLY: Yeah, that makes a lot of sense. And to your point, then the indictment will probably be, you know, at summertime or after summer. I actually thought it would be happening. I thought it already would have happened by now. But I think the raid on Mar-a-Lago and the classified documents investigation, now the appointment of a special counsel has just intentionally delayed what I think is the inevitable.

BUCK: Julie Kelly of American Greatness. Julie, thanks for being with us.

KELLY: Thanks, guys. Have a great weekend.

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Can You Believe Prince Harry Wrote This in His Book?

6 Jan 2023

It’s time for another Royal Family Face Off between Clay and Buck, with Clay finding the House of Windsor fascinating and Buck reminding everyone that we fought a war for our right not to care.

And then there’s this. Totally ludicrous.

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How Colin Kaepernick Destroyed Nike's Brand

How Colin Kaepernick Destroyed Nike's Brand

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Clay's NFL PrizePicks

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Culture Wins: Southern Schools Are Booming for a Reason

Culture Wins: Southern Schools Are Booming for a Reason

Clay relates a personal story that illustrates the shift.

From Lunges to CFP Predictions, Clay Catches Up with Markwayne Mullin

From Lunges to CFP Predictions, Clay Catches Up with Markwayne Mullin

The Oklahoma senator has some fun -- and talks some serious issues, too.

GOP Anger Bubbles Over in Speaker Battle

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On Day 4 of his fight to be House speaker, Congressman Kevin McCarthy is wheeling and dealing and still falling short. Tempers are fraying on the Republican side as they seek a resolution.

What do you think of Congressman Gaetz throwing down with McCarthy? Tweet us your take @ClayAndBuck — or, if you’re a 24/7 VIP, send us an email.

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C&B Say Thank You for Listening and Watching!

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Wherever and however you choose to consume the show, we are thankful!

How Colin Kaepernick Destroyed Nike's Brand

How Colin Kaepernick Destroyed Nike's Brand

Culture is everything. Nike wrecked its culture.

Clay's NFL PrizePicks

Clay's NFL PrizePicks

It's that time again. Get your pens. Get your pads. Get your paper...

Culture Wins: Southern Schools Are Booming for a Reason

Culture Wins: Southern Schools Are Booming for a Reason

Clay relates a personal story that illustrates the shift.

From Lunges to CFP Predictions, Clay Catches Up with Markwayne Mullin

From Lunges to CFP Predictions, Clay Catches Up with Markwayne Mullin

The Oklahoma senator has some fun -- and talks some serious issues, too.