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14 Dec 2022

The senator-elect from Pennsylvania, Democrat John Fetterman, may not be able to speak clearly after his massive stroke, but his followers don’t care. In fact, they’re even making him a style icon.

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Biden’s Outrageous Same-Sex Marriage Speech

14 Dec 2022

Joe Biden doesn’t know what he’s slurring out on the stage, say Clay & Buck, rolling clips in the audio above of the oldest president’s assaults on Justice Clarence Thomas, America, and Republicans in general — all while lecturing about how Democrats are the party of love.

Here’s the full event, in all its stomach-churning glory.

This is your administration, America. Doesn’t it make you swell with pride?

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Clay on Grant Wahl’s COD and DeSantis’ Covid Investigation

14 Dec 2022

Clay joined the gang at Fox & Friends to discuss the muddled story about journalist Grant Wahl’s cause of death in Qatar and Florida’s rock star governor, Republican Ron DeSantis, asking the big questions about the covid pandemic response.

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Clay on Frisco’s Insane Cash Handouts to the “Vulnerable”

14 Dec 2022

Clay joined Jesse Watters on Fox News Channel to discuss the way the feces-covered, bum enclave of San Francisco can’t stop giving away money they don’t have to pay people not to work.

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VIP Video: DeSantis Asks Grand Jury to Investigate Covid Shot Firms

13 Dec 2022

News broke during Tuesday’s show: Florida Governor Ron DeSantis asked a grand jury to investigate “any and all wrongdoing” with respect to the covid-19 vaccines. Once again, Governor DeSantis is taking the lead on covid sanity.

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Stephen Miller: This One Thing Can Stop Illegal Immigration

13 Dec 2022

CLAY: We are joined by Stephen Miller and, Stephen, when Buck and I saw the great work that’s being done right now by Bill Melugin down on the border — he works for Fox News; it feels oftentimes like he’s the only journalist down there — showing the situation in El Paso, Texas, with a thousand people essentially waiting to come across the border. It’s never been this bad. How much worse do you think it’s going to get as we come up on the end of this year and begin 2023?

MILLER: Well, first, let me also agree with you about Bill Melugin and what an invaluable service he’s providing. It’s a huge indictment of the entire media and corporate press in this country that with a handful of minor exceptions, Bill is the only one down there reporting, providing imagery, providing video. And it shows you the media is not interested, first and foremost in profit, but in ideology, because imagine how much better the ratings would be on our on our dying nightly news programs if they sent cameras down there, too, and spent their whole broadcast talking about what’s happening on our border. They would double triple the ratings from Americans seeing us for the first time.

But they’re not going to do that, of course. To answer your question, the scariest thing is there’s no limit to how bad it can get. This is the fundamental math problem of illegal immigration and how we have to change the way we think about it. And what I mean by that is this: For most of the last 50 years, so we’re… Actually even going back further basically to the Eisenhower administration. Illegal immigration was a bilateral problem between Mexico and the United States, where Mexican illegal immigrants — mostly single adult males — would come to the United States. And this was, of course, a significant problem, but it was also a manageable problem.

Then what started happening with the availability of mass transit, the ability of people to be able to come from pretty much any country in the world and get to Mexico, even with only a relatively small amount of money, opened this thing up to the whole of Planet Earth. So now you have a situation where there’s a few billion people in the world whose financial situation would be better by comingto United States and even working for half of minimum wage. That would double or triple the incomes they’ve been living in on their whole lives, plus free medical care, free education, free everything. So there’s no limit, long story short, to how bad it can get and it will get unless the new Republican House can step in.

BUCK: How do we change this situation, Stephen? You know, you really were somebody who during the Trump administration, we could count on you when you speak on this issue of immigration, where there’s so much speaking of disinformation that’s out there — and honestly, so many obfuscations and lies the Democrats tell on this issue. One of the biggest ones is that they want it to stop. I don’t believe they want it to stop at all. I think that’s become abundantly clear. What does it look like to make it stop? How do we change the incentive structure that you just laid out?

MILLER: Well, fortunately, you invited exactly the right person on your show to answer that question.

CLAY: (laughing)

MILLER: There’s only one thing — not two, not three, not four, there’s one thing — that has to be done, and that is that we have to get a spending bill that is short term into next year. So that means 41 Republican senators have to block the omni. And I’ll return to that point in a second if we have time. So you end up in, say, January, February, you get a new House, government funding is going to expire, and you have to attach to it — to the appropriations bill — what in Congress talk we call an appropriations rider.

And that extra policy that rider would say in sum/in effect, “None of the funds in this act or any other act shall be used to release any unlawful alien into the United States.” So you would be creating a federal prohibition against a single federal dollar being spent to release any illegal immigrant. So that would be a criminal act. If anyone in the administration releases anybody, that’s a crime. So you’re required to use the tools in our laws, be they remain in Mexico, or safeguard agreements and or better legal procedures to deport anyone — or Title 42 — to deport anybody that you encounter in every single instance.

Any member of Congress who is talking right now about giving back to more resources, more immigration judges, more anything is complicit in the problem, because if you hand a torch to an arsonist, they’re just going to burn things down. Biden will use every extra border agent, every extra helicopter, every extra jeep, every extra bed, every extra everything to get more illegal immigrants further and deeper and more quickly into the United States. Biden inherited a system of flawless deportation. I know because it is what it was what I was doing every single day. I’d be on the phone in the morning with the State Department.

Let’s say we got a group of 50 unaccompanied minors from six different countries. That morning. We’d be on the phone with their embassies saying, “We’ve got kids. Get your shelters open. Find their families. Find the relatives. We’re getting a plane. We’re chartering a flight. They’re going to be here tomorrow.” And you do that three or four days in a row and they stop coming. Now we don’t have the time it takes me to talk through all the regulations and all the policies and all the memoranda and all court things to get to that point.

What matters is we got to that point so that by 2020, no one in this country could stop us from deporting people who came here illegally. And we were doing it. And then Biden came in and he tore it all down on purpose. Everything that’s happened for two years is deliberate, and any member of Congress who doesn’t understand that is part of the problem. What Biden needs are not tools, but handcuffs — handcuffs that stop him and his administration from releasing anyone else into this country.

CLAY: Steven, you and I were on Sean Hannity show. I believe together, if I remember correctly, right after one of the Twitter file revelations and you said something that I then brought on this show and echo — and I want to give you an opportunity to make the case for this audience as well — that we must have primetime hearings associated with the Twitter file revelations. Why is that important? What should it look like? And what do you think the impact would be if the House Republicans make it happen?

MILLER: Yes, this is critically important. Thank you for bringing this up. So the people who watch congressional hearings during the day are people like us and your viewers and listeners. There’s a massive portion of this country who are not sitting around at 11:00, flipping through the cable channels, watching the day’s hearings or C-SPAN where Republican hearings are relegated to. And we know from the coverage of the Twitter files that there will be no coverage of any of these hearings. Whatever people see or hear will be filtered through their media intermediaries. So, the only way to get information of this existential importance about the survival of free society is to copy from what they did with their January 6 Select Committee.

“You care about democracy? Well, nothing is more important than survival of the First Amendment,” and you hold primetime hearings that nobody can ignore, that nobody can avoid. By making a select committee, you ensure that you put your best members on it who can get to the point. Because the problem with some of these hearings, however well-intentioned they are, we have 70 members of Congress showing up. You lose the plot pretty quickly after the first three questioners, and the next 4 hours is kind of inscrutable in many cases. So the Democrats have established a precedent. It’s now up to Republicans to follow it.

BUCK: We’re speaking to Stephen Miller was a senior adviser to former President Trump in the White House. Stephen, I wanted to know what you think about what we’re seeing right now with president — former President Trump’s announcement. And just have you talked to him? How’s his mind set? You know, there’s a lot of people throwing polls around right now. A lot of a lot of early talk about how this is looking. What do you see with the Trump 2024 situation as it stands right now?

MILLER: Oh, I mean, I’ve lived through this cycle of the media trying to cast a negative shadow so many times that I can’t even recall. The truth is, is that no matter who you talk to, it’s clear to everybody that President Trump is inherently the mega favorite going into any Republican primary, and that the issues that he ran on in 2016 and 2020 have now been proven so right and to such an extent that the argument for his reelection is greater now and stronger now than it even was in his first election or the 2020 campaign. And I return even to, of course, the issue that that we started with today, which is border and immigration.

People don’t realize how many wars you have to go to to secure the border. In other words, you don’t just have to fight every single deep state lunatic inside your own government and all the corporate press and all the softies in Congress. But you have to fight every single foreign country that does not want to participate, does not want to play ball. You know, one thing I think people oftentimes don’t even realize when it comes to illegal immigration is that every country has a veto power over you. If they shut down their airport, if Guatemala says, “We’re not taking any illegal alien families. We’re poor. We’re broke. We can’t handle them.

CLAY: Stephen, we had Ann Coulter specifically on, and we got people fired up — as you can well imagine, that’s her job. She said, “Trump… We have to move on from Trump,” and she effectively started making the argument for DeSantis. When you hear people say that as somebody who was a Trump guy. What do you think about the argument of, “Trump’s got one term left? Given his age, it’s time for him to move on, and somebody like Ron DeSantis — another generation — should come along.” That’s the argument she made last week. How would you characterize that argument? What would you say in response to it?

MILLER: Well, I think the generational argument cuts in the other direction, which is that President Trump would be uniquely able to come into office and hit the ground running. Because we pick up exactly where we left off, and we immediately, number one, re-implement the policies we have put into place. Number two, we had. We have an entire shelf stable, full of executive orders and policies that take it to the next level, whether it be getting rid of birthright citizenship or completing the job of decoupling from China and so many other issues that you would be able to complete immediately.

And the message that’d be sent to the world on day one is that we are going to snap back instantly to these America First policies. Every world leader around the world knows where we’ll stand, and we’ll be able to move at lightning speed. And — to your point — because it would be the second of only two available terms, you wouldn’t have to spend the second half of your first term worrying about reelection or worrying about campaigning. So, you’d be able to have a remarkable degree of efficiency. And then, of course, at the end of that term, then that’s when you, of course, will be able to hand off to a new generation of leaders. And so, again, I think the generational argument works almost exactly in the opposite direction.

CLAY: Good stuff, as always. Stephen Miller @StephenM on Twitter, fantastic idea on the primetime hearings. We’ll have you on again soon. Hope everything’s going well. Did you finish season five of Cobra Kai? You good? You caught up now.

MILLER: Yes, and everyone who hasn’t already, get onto Netflix and watch it. You will not regret it. Best season yet.

CLAY: It is a lot of fun.

BUCK: Thank you. Thank you, Stephen, for joining us.

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Gender Wars: Biden’s Non-Binary Fired, Former Navy SEAL Detransitions

13 Dec 2022

Sam Brinton, the non-binary dude Biden put in charge of nuclear materials, has finally lost his job.

Why did it take so long for him to be fired? We all know the answer.

Meanwhile, former Navy Seal Chris Beck, who was held up as a hero by the left, has changed his mind on the whole gender thing and is now speaking out on the harm being done to kids.

When are we going to just recognize this is mental illness? How many lives have to be ruined?

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Andy McCarthy’s Take on the Sam Bankman-Fried Case

13 Dec 2022

BUCK: Got our friend Andy McCarthy with us now here on Clay and Buck. He’s, of course, of National Review and Fox News, where he’s a contributor. He’s got yet another piece out. He’s got fabulous pieces out on a regular basis at National Review, and he was a federal prosecutor for the Southern District of New York for over 20 years. Andy, great to have you back, sir.

MCCARTHY: Merry Christmas, guys. How are you?

BUCK: Merry Christmas. We’re good.

CLAY: Fantastic.

BUCK: We’re pretty good. And if you want to ask Clay a baseball question at the end, just to stretch his sports knowledge —

CLAY: (laughing)

BUCK: — because I know you’re a super baseball Andy loves baseball slash coaches baseball or, you know, takes his kids for the.

CLAY: Yankees or a Mets guy. You’re a New Yorker, right?

MCCARTHY: I’m not only a Mets guy, I’m like, I can’t tell you how enthusiastic I am that we spent $90 million on two, 40-year-old pitchers.

CLAY: Hey, you know what’s great about this is, you poor bastard, first of all, I’m a Braves fan, and it doesn’t matter what you guys spend, you’re still going to lose the Braves. But I can’t imagine living in New York and being a Mets guy.

MCCARTHY: So in the old days, New York was a National League City. You know that that changed, I think, in the nineties when the Yankees had their amazing run. When I was a kid —

BUCK: This is what happens when I open the I open the sports conversation. Andy, we want to get to the breaking news here.

MCCARTHY: This is Andy from the Bronx calling in!

BUCK: Yeah, we got Andy on line 5. Go!

MCCARTHY: (laughing)

BUCK: “The Curious Timing of Sam Bankman-Fried’s Arrest.” I mean, we want to know about “the curious timing,” which you wrote about in National Review, but also just what’s going on here. I mean, is this guy…? You used to know, Andy, is someone going away? Is he going away?

MCCARTHY: Well, it sure looks like that to me. But, you know, I think here’s an important part of this, Buck, that I hope that… What I’m worried about, I’m kind of agnostic on cryptocurrency. There’s really smart people who think it’s a Ponzi scheme. There’s other really smart people like George Gilder who write books about how it’s the future. So, I don’t know. But here’s what I do know. This was just standard fraud. I mean, it happens in the context of crypto currency, but this could have been like, you know, fiat currency or bonds or stocks or, you know, fine art.

This is just like a standard fraud scheme where somebody gets money from investors, sets up another vehicle, transfers the funds, and then converts it to his own purposes. That’s the allegation, and what I think… What I be concerned about here is, you know, the Biden administration, the SEC, Democrats, you know, they see something that they don’t think is regulated enough and they want to regulate it. And if they think there’s some catastrophe that gives them the, you know, the crisis, they need to come in and do their, you know, sort of suffocating regulation, they’ll do that. And I’d hate to see them do that to crypto, because I don’t think this is like a typical crypto scheme. You know, maybe crypto needs to be, you know, regulated on its own merits, but I wouldn’t do it in a hot panic because these guys are like, you know, desperate to regulate stuff.

CLAY: Andy, when you see these charges coming down and we know that Sam Bankman-Fried is still in control of Bahamian authorities; they haven’t yet brought him to the United States. What kind of jail time, in your experience, would charges like these typically sort of lead to and or what kind of expectation would you have?

MCCARTHY: Oh, you know, I think the last one of these I remember is I think Bernie Madoff, the judge, had to depart downward in the sentencing guidelines to get them down to about 30 years because the numbers were off the charts. And whenever you see these two words associated with financial crimes, “money laundering,” what that ends up doing is turbocharging both the prison exposure and the way the sentencing guidelines work. So, you know, if he gets convicted on… So far, they brought eight counts. I would seriously doubt this is the last indictment. I think this is the opening salvo to get him extradited. But, I mean, he’s going to be looking at potentially life in prison.

BUCK: Wow.

CLAY: That’s what I was going to ask. Would you expect that that legitimately and not one of those situations where you have like 40 different charges all adding up to life in prison? But I mean, based on what they are throwing at him, you think he could be staring down, as a 30-year-old guy, spending the rest of his life in prison?

MCCARTHY: So what the federal law tries to do is end the ability of prosecutors to get people long sentences by stacking counts. So, you know, what the guidelines do is they try to implement what they call “real offense sentencing.” So that no matter how many counts there are, what matters is the guidelines calculation. But the thing is, with financial fraud, once you get to nine digits, that’s like, you know… (laughing) I mean, that’s through the ceiling.

CLAY: Yeah.

MCCARTHY: And then there’s all kinds of enhancements to the fact that you’re the one who designs the fraud. And if you run something that’s got, you know, five or more people in it. There’s all kinds of stuff that they could raise this on. So he’s looking at lots of time if he gets convicted of these charges.

BUCK: We’re speaking to Andy McCarthy, Fox News contributor, National Review writer, and Southern District of New York career prosecutor. Andy, what about this defense that I’m assuming — and I think most folks paying attention to this trial are assuming some version of this based on Sam Bankman-Fried statements, which, you know… Right? Usually when someone’s, you know, facing the kind of charges, the kind of, wait, this guy’s facing, they don’t go around on a press tour, but he’s basically been doing that. But what about this defense, Andy, “It’s just super complicated, I got over my head, and I didn’t mean anyone any financial harm”?

MCCARTHY: Yeah. You know, one of the reasons that I made the point at the beginning about this not being so much steeped in the esoterica of cryptocurrency is I really think this is not going to be a hard fraud for people to understand. You know, you take money from people. You make certain representations to them about why you’re taking it from them and what they should expect. And then you convert it to your own use. And if what the Justice Department says in the charging documents is true, what he did throughout the scheme was little accounting tricks within the system that they did their bookkeeping both for FTX and for his other, you know. side thing that he shoved everything over to, Alameda. Those are the kinds of things that get people convicted because they’re, you know, they show consciousness of guilt. And he’s not helping himself, obviously, by doing this. The store, as you say, you know, it’s highly unusual for somebody to do a press tour under these circumstances where you’re like the main suspect in a big fraud. But it usually doesn’t happen to someone whose parents are Stanford law professors. So I’m a little puzzled.

CLAY: So, Andy, would you expect that there will be other people indicted based on what’s going on here? Would you expect that there will be a lot of people who will flip and testify against him? In your experience, what would a prosecution end up looking like given the voluminous nature of this alleged fraud?

MCCARTHY: Yeah, I think that that’s like the main thing to take away from these indictments, because if I’m counting… If I’m remembering right, it’s either three conspiracy charges of four conspiracy charges. And everything in the indictment is played as a scheme which usually implies more than one people. But under federal law, in any law, in fact, you can’t conspire by yourself. It takes two to tango, as they say. Right? So the fact that they brought at least three conspiracy charges indicates to me that they already have identified people who have to be coconspirators. So I would expect if you don’t see more indictments, it could be because people are cooperating already and you’ll see, you know, guilty plea agreements and that sort of stuff. But it just seems like it’s inescapable that if they’re charging conspiracies, you don’t want to give him a defense that, you know, he can’t be guilty of conspiracy because there’s no other conspirators. Right? So they have to have other people.

BUCK: Andy, I know you’re not a deejay at a wedding taking requests here, but can we for the next time we have you all, will you take a look at what’s going on…? Because Clay and I are really focused in on Idaho and this this case of the four murders there, because we want to have you, after you’ve done a deep dive, come back and tell us what you think is going on. Because I know you’ve handled a lot of violent crime stuff at the Southern District. So can we put that request in with you?

MCCARTHY: Oh, yeah. No, I’d be. I’m glad that your producer raised it with me, and I’m glad he did because I haven’t… I’ve been running around a little bit. So this is the first —

BUCK: There’s this one. I mean, people are literally being kept up at night in Idaho overnight. I mean, they’re terrified given what happened there. And there’s just right now nothing in terms of leads, nothing in terms of any kind of break in the case. So we’d love to bring your expertise to that one and everybody should go read Andy on Sam Bankman-Fried and the collapse of FDX over National Review. Andy, always appreciate you, my friend. Thanks for being with us.

MCCARTHY: Thanks, guys. Appreciate it.

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Dr. Makary Busts Covid Myths

13 Dec 2022

BUCK: We are joined by our friend, Dr. Marty Makary of Johns Hopkins University Medical Center. He’s got a great piece in the Wall Street Journal, “The Exaggeration of Long Covid.” Dr. Makary, great to have you back, sir.

DR. MAKARY: Good to be with you guys.

BUCK: So, let’s start with this. You tell us about… You put it in context here in your piece in The Wall Street Journal what is and is not true about long covid and how worried or not worried people should be. But it’s also the first time I’ve seen anybody start to attach a price tag to this, $1 billion to what you call “the long covid medical-industrial complex.” Doc, what is going on here?

DR. MAKARY: Well, look, long covid is real. But in the U.K. study, it was only 3% of people that had covid and it declined rapidly in another study that just came out. We’re getting more research on it. And some of these studies show that there’s really no difference between having long-haul symptoms after covid versus any other infection like the flu. If you’re not working out or eating well and you’re sick for a week, you’re probably going to be weak at four weeks. That’s not long covid.

That’s just the medicalization of ordinary life, and Dr. Fauci and the crew at the NIH are obsessed with long covid. They spent $1.2 billion to try to study it, and that has yielded zero. There’s been no return on that investment. And the CDC tries to say, “It’s not 3%,” like we know from the U.K. study, “It’s 20% of people,” as if one in five Americans are going to be struck by this long covid lightning and then be disabled for life. That’s just not true. It’s dishonest and it exaggerates the truth.

CLAY: Dr. Makary, appreciate you coming on. Love the piece in the Wall Street Journal today. I’m not sure if you’ve seen yet, but Florida Governor Ron DeSantis says that essentially Florida is going to be empaneling a grand jury to investigate potential fraud in the covid shot. And so, I’m curious, from your perspective, can you remember a situation like this where a drug has been — we were all told that the covid shot, the covid vaccine initially would prevent you from getting and stop the spread of covid. And basically, the government mandated it, and then it came out that that was not actually true. Can you think of any other examples of drugs like that that the government got involved in, in any kind of similar way?

DR. MAKARY: No. Gosh, if you misbehave in any way as a pharma company with filling out the forms or reporting your follow-up data, you get major, major penalties and treated differently by the FDA. I mean, these guys are strict regulators with every pharma product except the covid vaccines. You basically have the FDA commissioner — our nation’s top medication regulator — advertising the covid vaccine. It’s in his signature. In his email. He puts tweets out saying that it may even prevent long covid, not just transmission, with no supporting data. So when you have a top regulator promoting it that much, saying things that if a pharma company said, they would be fined for making a claim outside of their approved indication. You’ve got a very cozy relationship that just does not add up.

CLAY: Okay. So this is so fascinating to me because not only did, as you just point out, that cozy relationship exist, but they also allowed these drug companies to profit — tens of billions of dollars in profits — off of covid shot vaccine mandates, which were not justified based on what the actual result was. Can you remember the government — for for-profit companies — guaranteeing them tens of billions of dollars in profits like we’ve seen for Moderna and Pfizer over these covid shots?

DR. MAKARY: You know, my friends tell me there was a similar example during World War One with one of the military companies and the government. But beyond that, I don’t know of anything. I mean, this is outrageous what’s happened. Global immunity given for just this one vaccine? How does the pharma industry have total immunity for covid vaccines, but not for the flu shot or RSV shot or other shots? And they’ve never reported pharma has never reported back their post approval data. They’re supposed to do safety monitoring after a drug is approved. It’s in the agreement. It’s a formal arrangement. They’re noncompliant. They haven’t reported it, and let’s be honest. We all know that no one wants to look at vaccine complications in this — public health officials or this – -administration because they don’t want to know the result.

BUCK: Speaking to Dr. Marty Makary of Johns Hopkins University Medical Center, and Dr. Makary, you know, I was just in a I was just in a government office this morning; there are a lot of people double masking. And it seems to me like we’re now entering this realm. And, you know, I was on a plane recently and they said to everybody, “Respect someone’s decision to mask.” That was they made some announcement over the PA, and still in a lot of doctor’s offices, they require you to put a mask on when you go in. What is it going to take for people to just to give this up? I mean, to finally realize? Like, how can we get because I honestly think that doctors are at the heart of this and there should be enough room now for them to speak honestly. They’re not in that same fear of losing their medical licenses. I’m amazed at how few doctors have come out and said publicly, “This is idiotic. Everybody needs to stop with the charade.”

DR. MAKARY: (chuckles) Well, I’m surprised by it as well, because I have been to about six major medical conferences of doctors this year. No one’s wearing a mask. Maybe a couple people — and God bless them if they want to do that. Maybe they’ve got a medical condition I don’t know about. But the doctors are in social activities, shoulder to shoulder, seeing their buddies, hugging, shaking hands. They’re not wearing masks. So what is happening in a society where the doctors are not wearing masks, but they’re quiet when the politicians tell everyone, “You have to wear a mask”?

CLAY: I’d say it’s a fantastic question. So as we look ahead, the other thing that that seems a bit, I think, clarifying — and you may have more recent data than we do, and thanks for coming on. We’re talking Dr. Marty Makary. Parents are still saying, basically, especially for young kids, “We’re not getting this covid shot for our kids.” I think at least 90%, if not higher, of parents are rejecting this shot. As someone who has worked in medicine for a long time, I bet you can’t remember a scenario like that or that many parents have been rejecting a quote-unquote “advice from experts.” What does that tell us about the underlying sort of position of many people about these covid shots in general?

DR. MAKARY: Well, it tells us that public health officials have screwed up by crying wolf too many times. You know, flu shots are down this year from the normal flu season pre-pandemic, and we’ve got a really bad flu season now. Why are fewer people taking the flu shot? Because they’ve cried wolf too many times. And when it comes to children, they did it with no supporting data. With children, no one can tell you in the United States how many healthy children have ever died of covid, if any.

So if the CDC director can’t tell you and public health officials and Fauci can’t tell you, how on earth do they have so much absolutism in recommending a vaccine for which we know at least some people have died when you don’t know the risk benefit calculation? I don’t understand the lack of humility. It’s turned people off. And the reality is that some people may benefit from some interventions, but they’re not even going to get them because of the public health trust being in the toilet.

BUCK: And Dr. Makary, just so we’re clear, what is considered within the medical community at this point “fully vaccinated” for covid?

CLAY: Great question.

BUCK: Is that…? Are we on shot five now or is it four — and if it’s not five, when does it become five?

DR. MAKARY: (chuckles) Well, look, let’s be honest. If it were up to some people, you’d be getting a booster every Monday morning when you show up at work. But what they’re calling “fully vaccinated” is getting the bivalent, the new Bivalent vaccine, which is an Omicron specific vaccine, and having had the primary series. They’ll consider that fully vaccinated. Now, the Bivalent data, I’d love to see it. There’s no randomized controlled trial.

Instead of Dr. Fauci spending $1.2 billion to study long covid, which has yielded nothing, how about doing one randomized controlled trial on the Bivalent vaccine before blasting it out to the world? They got a problem. They bought 171 million doses, but only 40 million have been used after three months of them hammering it into the American public to get it. So, they have a stockpile problem. If they want to fix that problem, produce some good clinical data, and then people will trust them.

BUCK: Can I ask you, Doctor, do you think they actually could…? Let’s say they were just going to be totally honest about it and they showed the clinical data. But do you think it would be strong or would it be like, “Mehhh, it’s not really that good of a shot”?

DR. MAKARY: I think it would probably be like the flu shot this year probably reduces symptomatic infection by about 20% with the major strain. It doesn’t work against the other strains. That’s probably what it might show. I might recommend it for a person who is high risk and has not had covid this year, if — (crosstalk)

BUCK: So we’re talking flu shot, right, Doc? We’ve gone full circle now. This is basically like the flu shot, but for covid.

DR. MAKARY: It’s similar. I think the data would be similar to the flu shot. But the Bivalent vaccine, if we had good data, I might recommend it for high-risk people, a person who’s not had covid, which, I don’t know if anyone exists who’s not had covid anymore.

CLAY: (laughing) Last question for you, Dr. Makary, and I appreciate you coming on. When you see that there are some cities recommending that kids be put back in masks, how infuriating is that to you as someone who actually looks at the science?

DR. MAKARY: Well, all you have to do is look at the test scores and the rates of depression and anxiety, or talk to a child and ask them if they’re happy or sad covering their face for a year and a half. The sad part about this whole thing is the New York Times or any one of these other so-called news organizations could have sent one reporter to Europe and maybe covered any one of the tens of thousands of schools that have been open free and clear without masks or cover.

Or cover the WHO or the European CDC recommendations, which specifically say, “Do not cover the faces of children with masks during covid because of the downstream psychological harm.” I wish anyone would have covered that instead of making it sound like you’re promoting misinformation by pointing out the harms. Masks in schools have had no impact on transmission. It’s been well-studied in the Spanish and the Finnish study. U.S. public health officials are just choosing to ignore those studies.

BUCK: Dr. Marty Makary. I mean, there’s a couple of docs, there’s you there’s a few others that will tell the truth on this stuff. The cowardice within the medical community is honestly stunning. I mean, Clay, it’s almost like the athletic community where people will pretend that men don’t have an advantage in sports against women. You know, it’s just getting crazy.

CLAY: Democrats are the party of anti-science now. I don’t think there’s any other way to convey it.

BUCK: Doc, thanks for being with us. Appreciate you, sir.

DR. MAKARY: Good to be with you guys. Thanks.

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U.K. Santa Brings the Kids a Really Lousy Gift

13 Dec 2022

Clay & Buck may wish you a Merry Christmas here in America, but over in the United Kingdom, this time of year is a chance for pushing covid shots on kids, otherwise Santa Claus will put them on his naughty list. How’s this video for humbug?

Can’t there be anything these leftists leave as innocent and don’t use to push their anti-science agenda?

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