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Former Congressman Jason Lewis Hosts on New Year’s Eve Eve

30 Dec 2022

Jason Lewis, the former congressman from Minnesota and Rush Limbaugh guest host, sat in for Clay & Buck on Thursday to give his insider perspective on where our nation’s problems lie. He’s biased because he served in the House, but makes his case for why it’s the Senate that’s to blame.

His book: Party Animal: The Truth About President Trump, Power Politics & the Partisan Press.

Jason also welcomed John R Lott Jr., author of More Guns,Less Crime: Understanding Crime and Gun Control Laws. Visit him at the Crime Research Prevention Center.

Where are the Republicans addressing the supply side?

Meanwhile, the Democrats finally get legal cover for their partisan trick of releasing Trump’s tax returns, and it backfires.

Amnesty at taxpayer expense will take many forms under Biden.

Breaking news in the quadruple murder case out in Idaho.

What do you think of Congressman Lewis’s outlook for 2023? Tweet us your take @ClayAndBuck — or, if you’re a 24/7 VIP, send us an email.

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Former Congressman Jason Lewis Hosts Thursday’s Show

29 Dec 2022

Jason Lewis, the former congressman from Minnesota and Rush Limbaugh guest host, sat in for Clay & Buck on Thursday to give his insider perspective on where our nation’s problems lie. He’s biased because he served in the House, but makes his case for why it’s the Senate that’s to blame.

His book: Party Animal: The Truth About President Trump, Power Politics & the Partisan Press.

Jason also welcomed his former House colleague, Devin Nunes, CEO of Truth Social.


What do you think of Congressman Lewis’s prescription for saving America from continued woke, left-wing, big-spending lunacy? Tweet us your take @ClayAndBuck — or, if you’re a 24/7 VIP, send us an email.

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Todd Herman Returns to Guest Host on Wednesday

28 Dec 2022

Todd Herman guest hosted for Clay & Buck for the second of back-to-back days as 2022 dwindled down to its final hours. Todd is a radio show host and digital political strategist who long-time listeners will recall enjoying when he filled in behind the Golden EIB Microphone for Rush Limbaugh.

Listen to “My apology to the quiet soldiers of private heroics – A Best of Show and a request that you and I remember these people in ourEp_538_Hour 2” on Spreaker.

Visit the Emerald City Exile at ToddHermanShow.com and @ToddEHermanShow on Twitter. Meanwhile, he kept us all up to date on the latest news happening, and sent a message to the people in power that they’d better start pursuing some believability.

• Epoch Times: Mysterious Government Agencies Participated in Suppressing Twitter Content

In Arizona, it appears it’s okay to have no idea how many ballots were collected on which date.

Also in Arizona, a gentleman named Kenneth Mayer was a so-called “expert witness” who actually didn’t witness anything.

People are balkanizing. Jesse Kelly, a regular contributor to the Clay & Buck show, advises that people do just that. Todd says that life in “The High Mountains of Free America” is remarkably different than the City-States.

• VDARE: Oregon Loses Population After Murder Rate Quintuples In Portland, Idaho Gains
• Legal Insurrection: Habitual Election Denier Rep. Jamie Raskin Calls Electoral College a ‘Danger’ to Democracy, American People; “The truth is that we need to be continually renovating and improving our institutions”

Of course, we can always turn to the Mockingbird Media if we want to hear the official view of communists and why living under such regimes is great.

• Newsbusters: NBC Whines People Fleeing Communism Have Easier Path to Asylum

Other people are moving here. Are we still supposed to pretend it’s not an invasion?

ABC, CBS Decry SCOTUS Keeping Title 42 in Place, ‘Dashing the Hopes of Thousands’
Legal Insurrection: Biden Friday Night Holiday Document Dump: CBP Releases ‘Record’ November Border Encounter Stats
Newsbusters: Illegal Aliens Are the Protagonists of CNN’s Border Coverage

Todd says, “Show me your budget; I will show you your priorities. Show me your double standards and you will tell me you have hidden agenda.”
• WFB: Wild Spending: House Dem Lands $1 Million for Former Client Implicated in Child Rape Case

The House, now supposedly controlled by supposed Republicans, must make the entire covid affair one of their top priorities. The biomedical-security state is the pin in the grenade of tyranny; unless we replace the pin, it blows up.

Dr. Andrew Bostom joined Todd to discuss the grotesque injustice of Twitter’s suspension of many accounts, including his own, due to alleged covid “misinformation” i.e., evidence-based data rebutting the warped, but “accepted” narrative.

• The Hill: ABC News mourns unexpected death of ‘This Week’ producer
• The Gateway Pundit: 9-Year-Old Boy from Ontario Dies Suddenly After Suffering a Blood Clot in his Brain

Fauci knows what he was doing and what he has done. He KNEW these injections would make the Covid variants last forever .

This man knows kids are too young to understand the stakes of being sterilized but he demands that people be censored for saying that.

• Red State: Ex-CIA Agents Dominate Censorship Efforts at Facebook, Social Media Giant ‘Swarming With Spooks’

How much emotional power over you have you decided to give Democrats?

• Nature: Discriminatory Attitudes Against the Unvaccinated During a Global Pandemic

Can you imagine giving any politician this much control over your mental health?

When the demand for real racism exceeds the supply, we get garbage phrases like “glass cliffs” as we hear from MSNBC about two black women at the very top of their careers.
• MSNBC: Justice Jackson and Black Woman Harvard Prez Are Victims Of ‘Glass Cliff!’
• PowerLine Blog: Stanford University has issued an apology for discriminating against Jewish people in the 1950’s. Funny thing, though, Stanford is STILL discriminating by race and they are probably STILL doing it to Jewish people.
• HHS: Whites Are Giving Non-Whites Alzheimer’s Through ‘Racism’
• Vice: ‘This Is Our Protest’: Black People Are Taking Shrooms to Heal From Racism; As more cities decriminalize or legalize psilocybin, Black people are claiming space in the wider psychedelic movement and the outdoors.

The Left hates ALL energy that actually works. Wonder why!

Is Constitutional Populism possible? British publication sees January 6th far more clearly than does the Mockingbird Media in the United States.

• Yahoo News: Trump responds furiously to Jan. 6 House committee report
• Spiked: A show-trial of populism; The pawnshop McCarthyism of the January 6 Committee is a menace to democracy.
• Breitbart: January 6 Committee Could Hide Full Record for Decades
• Spiked: The year we finally rose up against the pajama classes; From Canadian truckers to Dutch farmers, working people have had enough of the laptop elites.

Let’s talk about “antimath” (like antimatter).

• Post Millennial: A man murdered his family after they didn’t support his transgender identity has been quietly marked as a “female” in the Maine prison where he’s being held.

Does anyone else remember competency and meritocracies? One of the biggest countries on Earth, with some of the most complex transportation needs has placed in charge of that Mayor Pete, a man whose resume stops at being a same-sex attracted, small town mayor.

But in the mind of Axios business writer, Hope King, it is Elon Musk who is being outed as inept.

Virtue signaling, corruption and math got into a fight. Guess who won?
• Fox News: Market researcher argues higher ed is failing to make good citizens by ‘saddling people with debt’

What are your thoughts about the year in review and what do you see coming in 2024? Tweet us your take @ClayAndBuck — or, if you’re a 24/7 VIP, send us an email.

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The C&B Show Spends Tuesday with Todd Herman

27 Dec 2022

Todd Herman guest hosted for Clay & Buck as 2022 drew to a close. Todd is a radio show host, digital political strategist, and long-time listeners will recall his yeoman’s work as a guest host for Rush Limbaugh. Catch him on the Todd Herman Show podcast.

Listen to “My apology to the quiet soldiers of private heroics  – A Best of Show and a request that you and I remember these people in ourEp_538_Hour 2” on Spreaker.

Visit the Emerald City Exile at ToddHermanShow.com and @ToddEHermanShow on Twitter. Meanwhile, he kept us all up to date on the latest news happening, including the betrayal by 18 Senate Republicans, led by Mitch McConnell. They gave Democrats and Biden everything they wanted in the $1.7 trillion omnibus bill.

In other news, the New Year is coming, but you can expect the same old left-wing assault on your civil rights: The Second Amendment.

Meanwhile, from the guy who promised to unify us, a message of hate and division on Christmas.

There are so many areas leftists have corrupted, and one that’s huge is our independent legal system where everyone is equal in the eyes of the law.

If you want to see where this lunatic policing of thought is going, look to the mother country. They literally arrested a woman for what she was thinking inside her head.

Question everything that comes out of this regime. Doubt it as a matter of course. That goes especially for statistics, which they lie about to get themselves ahead.

You can be a con man and steal billions, but if you donate enough money to Democrats, there’s no crime so severe that the left-wing media won’t still sing your praises.

Meanwhile, sad news out of Ohio. The people who make America work are out there, unsung, day in and day out keeping our country running.

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Senator Bill Hagerty on Christmas Eve Breaking News

23 Dec 2022

CLAY: We bring in now Senator Bill Hagerty. We got a lot to talk about with you, Senator, but have you heard anything about this potential power shortage or the rotating power outages that might be necessary in the state of Tennessee, the TVA authority?

SEN. HAGERTY: Yes, I certainly have, Clay. Two generators are down. They’re working on it right now. They’re trying to reduce — the TVA is trying to reduce — its power load by about 5%. But these incredibly low temperatures… Right now, it’s 5 degrees where I am here in Nashville.

CLAY: Yeah.

SEN. HAGERTY: These incredibly low temperatures are putting, I think, a big strain. They’ve asked people to lower their temperatures to 68 degrees to avoid using major appliances right now so they can get this problem resolved and get us back online. But I think this is sort of a precursor to what we may expect all over the country. We’ve got a reliance now on a variety of fuel sources. Some of them are reliable. Some of them are not. And if you think about wind, solar, that sort of thing, that only work when the when the sun is shining…

If you think about the fact that we’ve got coal-fired plants that are shuttered right now, and what we’re doing is placing ourselves in a position of vulnerability that we should never be in. America has the ability, the capability to be fully energy independent. And that capability is being frittered away as we make ourselves more and more dependent on countries like China. And we continue to shift. And look, I’m not against any power source, don’t get me wrong, but I think we need to make certain that we have a very robust and reliable power source throughout America. And it’s this sort of thing that makes us really, really — and we all should be — deeply concerned.

CLAY: No doubt. And I mean, it really is just kind of a window. And I’m using my particular location to tell this story right now. But there are many parts of the country that are going to be dealing with this as we deal with it right now in the Nashville area, for instance, where you and I both are — 26-year record lows. It was minus 2 this morning when I woke up.

SEN. HAGERTY: Yeah.

CLAY: — in the area of Nashville I live, in Franklin, Tennessee, Williamson County. Okay. So, you and I were texting during all this craziness going on with the $1.7 trillion bill that passed the Senate yesterday, this omnibus bill. So I want to start with this question. You voted against it, and thank you for that vote. Eighteen Republican senators voted for it. What were they thinking? Why did they support this instead of forcing Democrats to pass this as they could have — 50-50, I believe; you can let me know on the mechanics whether that would have been possible. But instead, 18 Republican senators voted yes on this $1.7 trillion. Why did they vote yes? Why were you a no? What’s the story there?

SEN. HAGERTY: First, just from a procedural standpoint, this required 60 votes. So, ten Republican senators were necessary. (crosstalk)

CLAY: So, they couldn’t have passed this.

SEN. HAGERTY: Yes.

CLAY: This is important because, you know, again, a lot of people don’t understand the procedures of the Senate. If there had not been ten Republicans vote yes, this bill could not have been passed. In other words, this wasn’t a majority only-necessary bill in order to make it pass.

SEN. HAGERTY: That is correct. That is correct. Now, much of the spending — most of this crazy spending — has been done precisely the way you describe it. Go back to March of 2021 when they passed what they called the American Rescue Plan. Massive… You know, massive subsidies flowed into the marketplace at a time that our economy is recovering. That was really setting… That’s what really set off this massive inflation that we’re rolling with, that in the energy policy that Biden has adopted. And then the laughably titled Inflation Reduction Act, which is really just the green new deal with lipstick put on it.

They passed that with just 50 votes as well. But this vote — the vote that took place yesterday — was basically for the normal budget going forward next year. But it had a lot of things in it that I was not comfortable with. As you say, there were Republicans that voted for it. There were things that they wanted in that bill, that they were willing to go ahead and vote to pass it at this point in time. Everybody’s got to, you know, vote their conscience. But it did split our conference. I would have certainly preferred to move this on a short-term basis into next year and let our Republican House of Representatives have a shot at dealing with it and undoing some of the damage that the Biden administration and the Democrat-controlled House and Senate that they’ve done these past two years to begin to undo that.

That will not be an option for us for the next year, because this bill was passed yesterday. And, again, Chuck Schumer knew that he had the votes and that’s why he brought it to the floor in this manner. We almost had it stopped, though, and, Clay, you’ll remember on Wednesday night, everything came to a screeching halt because Chuck Schumer found out something that he didn’t realize. And that is there’s actually bipartisan support for addressing Title 42. You know, a district judge recently lifted that. Title 42 is the health-related rationale for stopping people at the border and turning them back.

It’s also a procedure that’s much simpler for Customs and Border Patrol agents to use, you know, in terms of the paperwork that’s required to get somebody, you know, processed and returned back to their home country. That is that is no longer going to be in place. The district court judge said that, look, there’s no longer a pandemic. I actually agree with that. So that rationale can no longer be used. I’ve tried three times now — as recently as Wednesday on the Senate floor — to fix Title 42 and actually put in place a much more dreadful health concern, and that is drug overdoses from fentanyl and giving Title 42 authority to our Customs and Border Patrol agents when they suspect drug smuggling may be in place.

That is a great reason to turn people back. It’s frankly one of the deadliest or the deadliest byproducts of this collapsed southern border.  It would have fixed this problem. And Democrats voted me down, bought me three times now that we had this Title 42 amendment that that Schumer found out that he had Democrat support for it, he had to completely bring everything to a stop to it — to a screeching halt — on this omnibus bill. They used the night to come up with a procedural trick that allows Democrats to vote as if they support Title 42, to actually vote for putting funding in for the wall and supporting many of the Trump-era policies that were actually securing the border. They created this procedural gimmick that they designed to fail, and they pushed that through and brought us back to the floor yesterday morning and finished the process of voting in this $1.7 trillion mega-spending bill that had so many bad things in it, I can’t even tell you.

CLAY: So, Senator, you have worked in business before, and I think this is important because you made a good amount of money. You didn’t have to do this. You care about the country; so, you’ve come back. There are a lot of people that are professional politicians. Some of them are great. A lot of them aren’t. You well know. Do they understand basic economics? Like, when you walk around and talk to people in Congress, you’ve had to make a business budget. Every person listening to us out there has had to do it too. We started the Tea Party at $10 trillion in debt. We’re now well over $30 trillion in debt in the last 12 years.

SEN. HAGERTY: Yes.

CLAY: We’re seeing the consequences of failed economic policy, as you mentioned, with inflation, with the energy policy that’s out there. This is frustrating because there’s a lot of Republicans listening to me right now — a lot of independent voters, a lot of Democrats, frankly, who listen to this show — and they’re saying, “Man, what is the difference between a Republican and a Democrat if both of them are agreeing to spend $1.7 trillion and not even fighting to try to balance our budget in any meaningful way?” I know that’s frustrating to you, but can you take us into the window of what it’s like to be a businessperson who could never run a for-profit business like our country is being run?

SEN. HAGERTY: You’re certainly right. You can’t even run a state this way because most states have a balanced budget requirement. So, it’s unique to Washington the ability to print money and it gets down to priorities, I think in many cases. I know a number of my colleagues were very focused on the situation in Ukraine. They wanted the Ukraine funding in there. That’s why Chuck Schumer put it there to bring them across the line. I understand that. I don’t agree with it, but I understand it. So, you know, some folks will put issues like that in front of the economic — the very basic economic — concerns that I have. But if you step back and look at what’s happened these past two years, and that’s been you know, I’ve only served in this Congress and I’ve only run for office once.

In fact, I was talking with Coach Tommy Tuberville. I think he and I are the only people, certainly in our conference, who have not been in some sort of elective office before. And we were both scratching our heads wondering, ‘How in the world do you operate, operate like this in Washington?” But since we’ve both been there, what we’ve seen is Democrats use this reconciliation process and without a single Republican vote, you know, just shove through massive spending that is more theology than any sort of economic economically grounded philosophy. And they’re pursuing this Green New Deal.

Again, the, quote, Inflation Reduction Act. That’s all this is, is Green New Deal. They go in and they bail out these blue states that have actually operated recklessly. That was that was all jammed into that initial $1.7 trillion package that they shoved through back in March of 2021. You know, bailing out blue states, putting that burden on run red states like our own who actually do balance our budget. It really has just been an amazing exercise in political theology and philosophy without any sort of reckoning from an economic standpoint.

And we’re paying the price. As you mentioned, over $30 trillion in debt every time the Federal Reserve has to raise interest rates one point — 100 basis points, 1% — that 1% translates into over $300 billion. But the additional interest that we have to pay, $300 billion, Clay, that’s almost ten times the size of Tennessee’s budget. This is it’s just grotesque what is taking place right now. We’ve got to push back on this. We can push back on it. We just need to make certain that we’ve got Republican control, and that’s why I hope that this spending package would have just been continued over into the early part of next year. We would have had Republicans in the House and begin to push back on some of this damage. That’s just not where we are right now.

CLAY: Last question for you, and I think this is important, too. We’re finishing the year. I want some optimism. You and I have been texting about looking at the 2022 data, talking about what we saw there, too. You’re also a tech guy. How much of the plan that was in place for 2020 to — get out the vote, let’s win in tight elections — has to be completely remade by Republicans in 2024, and are you optimistic we can learn from what Democrats are doing and start to replicate a lot of their get-out-the-vote aspect? Because otherwise we’re going to lose Pennsylvania, we’re going to lose Arizona, we’re going to lose potentially Georgia, many of these states that we have to win to take back the White House.

SEN. HAGERTY: Well, Clay, you and I were together on election night. You know how sad I was, how exhausted I was.

CLAY: Yeah.

SEN. HAGERTY: I mean, I’ve been in seven states in ten days campaigning. And I can tell you on the ground we were winning, the polls showed we were winning and the public sentiment leading into Election Day. But we lost those races well before Election Day because of the changes that Democrats brought about in terms of voting rules. You know, some of these states had been voting since August, Nevada as a great example. They mailed out ballots to everyone on the voting rolls.

And, you know, they don’t do a great job of cleaning up these voting rolls. So in places like Las Vegas, some homes were getting four and five ballots. Then it’s legal now in Nevada to go out and ballot harvest. You can have paid ballot harvesters go door to door and collect those ballots. Now, do you know whether the ballot is going to get there or not? Well, if it’s a Democrat household or they like what’s on it, it probably does make its way into the, quote “dump” that happened. And they’re allowed to continue to do that all the way up to Saturday after Election Day on Tuesday. So I watched Nevada happen and day after day, ballots —

CLAY: In Nevada, by the way, Laxalt lost by, what, 8000 votes or something of that magnitude?

SEN. HAGERTY: Minuscule.

CLAY: Yeah.

SEN. HAGERTY: They just they kept going until Friday, until they got the number of Democrat votes that they needed. And they kept doing this down around Las Vegas and Clark County and eventually got to the point that they had what they needed to win. And I’m not saying what they did is illegal, but we did not have the ground game to match that. So you and I have been talking about this, Clay. We absolutely have to revamp the way we do this. First, we have to have a legal team to go in and fight back as hard as the Democrats have to get sanity back into state-by-state voting laws. I mean, this whole notion of mailing out ballots to — you know, five and six ballots going to — a house?

That is ridiculous, and then ballot harvesting like they’ve done. When Secretary of State James Baker, former President Jimmy Carter sat on a bipartisan commission to look at the dangers of election integrity, the two things they decided were the most ripe for fraud were mail-out ballots and ballot harvesting. And that’s exactly what the Democrats are focused on doing. So we need to go back state by state, push back on these rules. But whatever the rules happen to be when the time comes to just start voting, we’ve got to be locked and loaded. We’ve got to have people on the ground.

We’ve got to have, you know, our folks working on mail-out ballots and we’ve got to stay on this. We’ve got to match the Democrats head-to-head on what they’re doing on the ground. It was the ground game, I think, that killed us. If you look at the map going into 2024, you know that’s a source of optimism, and I’m with you. I want to end this conversation in an optimistic way. The Democrats have to defend 23 seats going into 2024. Republicans only have to defend ten, and three of those seats are states that are basically Republican states. So we definitely ought to be able to do this. But we have to… Just as you say, we have to be able to match the Democrats at their own game and not lose this on an operational basis.

CLAY: Merry Christmas to you and your family, Senator Hagerty. I appreciate the time, as always, and look forward to crossing paths again sometime soon.

SEN. HAGERTY: Thank you, Clay. Merry Christmas to you and yours as well.

CLAY: Thank you. Let me tell you guys: He’s sharp. Senator Hagerty is sharp. Smart guy. We need to be letting him lead some of these charges to figure out how to get our voters out — and I’m working on it, too, behind the scenes. But he’s a sharp guy. I’m impressed.

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The Clay & Buck Show Ends the Year with Yuletide Cheer

23 Dec 2022

What is your most memorable Christmas gift? Clay, back from warm Key West to freezing Nashville, ends the final show of 2022 with some nostalgia for better times, but also optimism and heartfelt thanks to you, the listening audience. There will be fun guest hosts next week and Buck and Clay will be back in 2023.

Remember, you can enjoy some of the classics for your family movie night.



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Coach Nick Saban Inspires America’s Youths

23 Dec 2022

Nick Saban, the coach of Alabama football’s Crimson Tide, had some great inspiration for young people. It goes with Clay’s advice to succeed in America: Graduate high school, get married and do not have kids until over 25.

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Looking ahead to the New Year of 2023, Clay sees the battle for the 2024 Republican nomination getting into high gear, with former president Donald Trump and Governor Rick DeSantis of Florida squaring off. That’s going to be the big story, but much more was on the mind of our Nashville Nostradamus.

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CLAY: Alex Berenson joins us now, one of the true truth tellers of the 2022, 2021, 2020 cycle of insanity in this country. Alex, appreciate you joining us.

BERENSON: Thanks for having me. I mean, I do feel like 2022 is the year, you know, the world sort of started to catch up to you and me and Team Reality. I mean, it’s definitely started to happen.

CLAY: Amen. Okay. So, you had an interesting piece up about these covid shots, and I do think this is important because I hope that this holiday season, for many of you out there, even if you have crazy left-wing family members — like maybe you’re not wearing masks — asking you about your covid shot status. But there are studies out there now saying that if you get the covid shot, you may be more likely to get covid, a couple of them that you wrote about. What is the latest data on these covid shots?

BERENSON: Sure. So, yes. So, I wrote about this in my Substack, I think it was Tuesday. There are two studies, but the more important one actually just came out just a few days ago, and it’s from the Cleveland Clinic. And what the Cleveland Clinic did was look at — you know, it’s a very large workforce, a very large hospital system. It’s not just one hospital in Ohio, so they have about 50,000 employees, and about 10,000 of those employees had received the bivalent booster. In other words, the fall booster that, you know, everyone talked about or that the government is, you know, pushing as the great thing that’s going to stop you from getting covid.

And, of course, a lot of us, I think, know anecdotally that this is not true, that, you know, we know lots of people who got boosted and got covid, you know, including Rochelle Walensky, you know, a few weeks ago, the head of the CDC. So, we intuitively know this isn’t true. But what this about what the Cleveland Clinic did is they looked at infections by the number of shots that people had received, people who had been infected. And they looked at the vaccination history of those people, and it turned out — and this was pretty stunning even to me (laughs) that not only did the people who’d been vaccinated the most have the highest risk of covid.

The differential in this study was about 3.5 to one. So, you were 3.5 times more likely to be infected with the new newest variant, with the new Omicron variant. If you’d been vaccinated at least three times, then if you hadn’t been vaccinated at all. And the other thing about this was one shot was riskier than two. I’m sorry, one shot was riskier than none. Two was riskier than one, three was riskier than two. So, it was sort of a perfect — what doctors call a perfect dose response curve, which is exactly the opposite of the vaccine working. The more doses you got, the more likely you were to be infected with this virus.

CLAY: Okay, so this is a big revelation. You were one of the first people to point out — and the data certainly confirmed it — that even people who claim that they love the shots and that they’re working fantastically well are actually not getting the shots for their kids because the intake rate — thankfully — for young children, is wildly low, right? Yeah. So where does this go?

BERENSON: Yes, yes (garbled) kids under 5.

CLAY: What percent is that?

BERENSON: Below 10% for kids under 5. And the other thing that’s amazing is a significant number of people who got one shot — so people who ran out in July and August and got their kid the first shot — didn’t get the second.

CLAY: Yeah.

BERENSON: So even the true believers woke up at some point over the summer.

CLAY: So, I mean, I think that’s important: 90% of American parents of people who are 5 and younger and I’ve raised three through that point; I think you’ve got a couple in that age range now, Alex.

BERENSON: Yeah.

CLAY: Anybody out there who has done this knows that is the age when you are the most obsessed with the health of your children imaginable because they are so young; they are so vulnerable So, 90%. So, not 10% even. Even a lot of these left wingers are not actually getting their young children the covid shot, despite what they may be saying publicly about how many covid shots they’re getting themselves. So where does this leave us, Alex, in particular, now that even China now — now that even China — has said, “Hey, this covid zero,” zero covid, however you want to classify it, “is not a viable option going forward.” Essentially, they finally said in China, “Everybody is going to get this,” and the overall impact,” this is significant, they said, “is unlikely to be very substantial because the Omicron variant is so mild.” Where does this leave us as we enter into 2023 as it pertains to covid?

BERENSON: Well, you know, so I think… I mean, I think the mRNAs are effectively dead because vaccines are effectively dead. Right? It’s as you said there, kids are not getting them. And beyond that, the bivalent boosters, again, these fall boosters are a majority of adults who are over 65 haven’t gotten those, which is pretty incredible. Yeah. And you know, and so there’s been all kinds of excuses. “Oh, people didn’t know that these shots existed or, you know, it’s harder for them to get it.” It’s all lies. People know that these shots are out there and they’re being pushed to get them and they’re just rejecting them. So… So, I think they’re dead.

CLAY: Okay. So if they’re dead, do you think the significance — or sorry, what do you think about China and the zero covid basically being abandoned there, too?

BERENSON: Yeah, it’s funny you mention China because that’s going to be my next Substack, by the way, and I’m glad to have you as a reader, because you do seem to read most of them, which is pretty cool. But so, you know, I think, you know, what there is to say about China is that China is… First of all, they’re not going to go with the mRNA because they don’t want our vaccines. That’s 100% clear. They are just going to open up and they’re going to have a few bad weeks and then it’s probably going to be like Hong Kong where they’re done. Okay?

And for people who are being what you and I used to call Team Apocalypse, China has a real problem, right? Because if things open up and go badly, it means the lockdowns were useless. Okay? If things open up and go well, it means their vaccines are actually better than our vaccine, because guess what? Australia, Taiwan, countries that opened this year after locking down and used the Western vaccines have had a lot of problems with covid this year. So if you’re the New York Times, on the one hand, you’re kind of rooting for, you know, things to be terrible in China, which is an awful thing to say, but it is how the coverage reads. On the other hand, you know, that means the lockdowns were useless.

CLAY: Yeah.

BERENSON: Whatever happens in China, it will be a failure from the “covidians,” right? It will be more proof that the Swedish strategy was the correct strategy. Now, I do think they’re going to have a wave. I think there’s going to be a significant number of deaths, which they’re going to lie about. They’re already clearly lying about those. And then it’ll be done, because that’s what happened in Hong Kong, which is the most like China in terms of, you know, age of population, obviously, ethnicity, population density and the vaccines they used.

So Hong Kong had a bad spring and now it’s done with covid. So the countries that are not done with covid and are going to seemingly have to live with this for a while longer are countries like us and countries in Europe that use the super-fancy new vaccines. Those vaccines just look worse and worse and worse as time goes on. I mean, clearly, they did some good in early 2021, but ever since then, they’ve looked like a worse and worse bet.

CLAY: So this is why I’m really intrigued by what’s going on in Florida and the fact that they are essentially opening a grand jury in the state of Florida. Ron DeSantis is to look at whether there was fraud from Moderna and Pfizer. Now, I know — and this is me putting on my lawyer hat, Alex. I know that there was immunity given to rush these covid shots out — and I’m not even calling them vaccines and haven’t been for a long time.

BERENSON: Right.

CLAY: They’re just a shot. Right? And so are you at all intrigued to see whether there may be some states that start to pursue fraud charges, you know, try to get some of this taxpayer-funded profits back from Moderna and Pfizer over effectively a shot they sold to us on a fraudulent basis? Because, as you have pointed out — and we pointed out on this show for a long time, Alex — they told you, “If you get these shots, you will neither get nor spread covid. It will basically end.”

BERENSON: Yep.

CLAY: That didn’t happen. And most of the time when you are sold a product and that product is sold for profit and it doesn’t do what they told you it would do, that is called fraud. And the company that produces that would be sold, to say nothing of the deleterious impact that might be coming from the covid shot, which I may want to hold you on to ask. But that first question, do you think there are lawsuits that should be filed to bring back the profits over these shots?

BERENSON: Well, I mean, I think, look, I’m glad Ron DeSantis, who’s really been in the lead on this from, you know, late March 2020, early April 2020. And I’m old enough to remember, as you are, Clay, people at the Washington Post and elsewhere saying that Ron DeSantis should be tried for manslaughter —

CLAY: Oh, yeah.

BERENSON: — because he didn’t lock down Florida quickly enough. Ron DeSantis understands the science and has followed this better than any other politician in the United States. And, look, I think it’s a long shot. I think it’s going to be very hard because Pfizer’s going to say… First of all, they’re going to say, “We have immunity.” Second of all, they’re going to say, “We, you know… We were under enormous pressure. Society wanted these. We did the trials as best we could and as fast as we could,” and this is what they found, “and yeah, the protection didn’t last, but we didn’t know that. So proving…. Proving that they didn’t know that. You know, that’s where you know, that’s where we’re going to have to see what the documents show. But they have a strong defense. But am I glad DeSantis is doing this? I’m absolutely glad he’s doing this.

CLAY: Can you come back for a couple of minutes to close out the hour? Because I want to ask you this question: Should people be concerned about the all-cause mortality rates that are going up? Is there any evidence to reflect that that is really connected in any way to the shots? Can you come back and help us break that down?

BERENSON: Absolutely. I’d love to talk about that.

CLAY: Okay, perfect.

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CLAY: Okay, Alex. All-cause mortality appears to be rising substantially in many countries that got substantial amounts of covid shots.

BERENSON: Yes.

CLAY: Is that connected? Should we be concerned about what that data is showing?

BERENSON: Yeah. I mean, I definitely think we should be concerned. Just to be clear, when we talk about covid shots, I always distinguish between the sort of standard, inactivated virus, old-style vaccine that the Chinese and the Indians, you know, or other countries use and the mRNA vaccine.

CLAY: Yes.

BERENSON: There’s also something called the DNA vaccine, which is the Johnson & Johnson vaccine that we used, and we thought we made a great bet here. We thought, “These vaccines are so much more effective. You know, they raise your antibody levels so much more than these old vaccines. We’re really going to beat covid with this.” Well, of course, that didn’t happen. And as we talked about on the previous segment and, as I’ve written about in my Substack, it now looks like that certainly with the Omicron variant, there may be negative efficacy. Okay. But there’s a second issue, right?

So negative efficacy is a problem. It’s not that big a problem as long as the variants stay mild. It just means, “Hey, you’re more likely to get this cold over and over again.”

CLAY: Yes.

BERENSON: If a serious variant shows up, then we’d have a problem. Fortunately, that hasn’t happened. Right? Beyond that, there’s sort of the direct potential for side effects. So, you got this technology; it was tested in 35,000 people who were examined for about three months for safety, and then we gave it to a billion people. There are signs, as we know, that these vaccines can cause myocarditis, which is a, you know, an inflammation of heart tissue in young men — and pericarditis, which is related to that — and then in some cases, that can be fatal.

But there’s this bigger issue, which is in a lot of countries — especially in Europe, but also Australia, Taiwan, other countries that use these vaccines and vaccinated basically everybody — all-cause mortality — in other words deaths from cancer and heart disease and Alzheimer’s and diabetes and everything else — is up a lot this year. Okay. And we don’t know why. And the people who are pro-vaccine say, “Oh, it’s because of delayed medical care.” Well, let me tell you a little secret. You know, in Australia, they locked down in 2020 and 2021.

They didn’t really have any big problems with medical care. Okay? The delayed medical care is not the answer. Then they say, “Well, it’s long covid,” okay? But long covid, how come? How come countries where there was no covid in 2020, 2021 or almost no covid seem to be having it. And there’s something else. It’s it started to go down this excess mortality earlier this year, and then we boosted and it went back up. And this fall we boosted again or basically only elderly people, and guess what?

All-cause mortality went up again, only in elderly people. And now the booster campaign. There’s one good thing — I have one good piece of news in all of this — which is now that the booster campaigns have basically ended or been rejected in a couple countries, that report these deaths pretty quickly, mortality seems to be going down again a little bit. But if you add all this up (laughing), to me, it’s hard to escape the conclusion that the vaccines should be looked at as potential culprit number one. Not that we can prove it at this point, but that they should be looked at as the most likely causes. And I want to say one other thing.

As you know, there’s this documentary out there called Died Suddenly. There’s a lot of nonsense floating around that, you know, 50% — deaths are up 50%, deaths are up 100%. That’s not true. Okay. Deaths are up 10 to 15%, which if you’re a vaccine company or you’re a public health bureaucrat, that’s what you… I mean, it’s not what you want, but it means you can deny that anything real is happening. If deaths were up 100%, we’d all know. So, what I try to do with this is be honest without trying to scare people. I want to sound the alarm. I want people to be aware that this, you know, that there’s this risk out there. This is a question that must be answered, but not to tell people, “Hey, you took these vaccines; you’re going to drop dead tomorrow,” because that that’s not true and that’s alarming.

CLAY: How much rather would you be people like you and me who never got these covid shots and maybe kept your kids from getting them, than the people who have gone out and gotten five or six of these covid shots based on the data that you’re seeing?

BERENSON: Oh, there’s no question! I mean, I especially you know, I mean… Look, we’ve all gotten covid now, right?

CLAY: Yeah.

BERENSON: Whether or not you got the shots, you are at risk from Omicron. And as we said in the previous segment and I wrote about in the ‘stack, you weren’t at higher risk it looks like from… So what benefit did anybody derive? The only exception is if you are really high risk last year. There was a brief period when maybe you avoided getting Delta or the original variant, and those were pretty dangerous. You know, if you were 350 pounds or if you were 85 years old, those variants could actually have killed you. And Omicron is probably a little bit less likely to do that. So those people might have benefited. But for somebody like you or me, somebody under 50 — which I still barely am — who’s in reasonable health, there was no benefit to the shots. And for kids, I mean, I’m so glad that my wife and I agreed about this. I’m so glad we didn’t get the shots.

CLAY: Amen. Alex, if there was any actual journalism awards that were given based on legitimate journalism, you would have won them all over the last three years for what you have been doing. I appreciate you being on the show so much. Have a great start to 2023 and thanks for spending time with us here at the end of 2022.

BERENSON: Talk to you in 2023, Clay. Thanks.

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