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Countdown to the Midterms: Fight for Every Inch, GOP

23 Sep 2022

We have got good news on the horizon as it pertains to the Senate battlegrounds: Nevada, Georgia and Pennsylvania. Take a look at this poll. And also check out our new podcast starting this Sunday at 9 a.m. Eastern that’s a Countdown to the Midterms. You can find all our podcasts in one place.

Democrats, under Biden, are in a position where the economy is a dumpster fire.

We also have murders and violent crime continuing to surge across the country in 2022, skyrocketing since 2019.

Plus, the border is an unmitigated disaster that is impossible to defend.

Ron DeSantis has made it a major topic of discussion.

The focus keeps moving away from Donald Trump and whatever happens at Mar-a-Lago no matter how often paratisan prosecutors try to put him on the ballot.

But don’t worry. All that pain you’re suffering? The president has it on his mind.

No wonder Democrats have to distract the country from what’s right in front of ’em. Pretty much every GOP staffer right now in all these campaigns should have this playing in the background.

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Clay Rips Hypocrite Fauci Over Details Covered in Upcoming Brian Morgenstern Book

23 Sep 2022

Clay joined Laura Ingraham to discuss revelations about the man called “St. Anthony,” Anthony Fauci, in a blockbuster book by Brian Morgenstern, who appeared on the show earlier this week.

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Buck Bashes Biden’s Violent Anti-Republican Rhetoric

22 Sep 2022

Buck joined Jesse Watters to discuss the murder of an 18-year-old North Dakota man who was killed by a leftist for “political reasons.” Why isn’t the media all over Biden for his violent anti-MAGA rhetoric that could have inspired this heinous crime? We all know the answer.

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No Joke: Hunter Biden Water Slides Naked with Hookers in Shocking Video

22 Sep 2022

Joe Biden says his son Hunter is the smartest man he knows.

That’s telling you something when the guy shows up naked on a water slide.

This is like a pimp slap to everybody out there who believes that the FBI is investigating anything on him at all.

Crack really is whack, folks. Who tells someone to video tape them doing this? We’ve all seen George in Seinfeld and the beach incident too.

It may be a like father, like son situation, because don’t forget, it was widely reported that Joe Biden liked to swim naked in front of female secret service agents when he was vice president.

Nero fiddled while Rome burned, and Hunter naked slid while America burned. That’s what’s going on here. This is the Biden administration. Naked water sliding while you can’t pay your bills.

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Fed Chair Powell: Strap In, Economic Turbulence Ahead

22 Sep 2022

Here’s the Jerome Powell, the Fed chair, giving us finance-and-monetary policy nerdspeak for, “Oh, it’s coming, folks. Strap in for the situation that is ahead. Here comes the turbulence.”

America’s GDP growth is gonna be lower, prices are gonna be high, inflation will be durable.

There will be less money rolling around and less jobs, too, causing unemployment to spike. It’s a recession.

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Stacey Abrams Pushes Deranged Fetal Heartbeat Conspiracy Theory

22 Sep 2022

Stacey Abrams is looking like she’s going to lose yet again, although she may retain her title as Fake Governor of Georgia. The Atlanta Journal-Constitution has her down by eight, Marist by 11.


Abrams has run a terrible campaign and proven herself out of step with Peach State voters. Here’s her latest blunder, flat-out lying about the heartbeat of babies in the womb.

In Ohio’s Senate race, Democrat Tim Ryan, has said the same thing as Stacey Abrams, which is aborting a baby up to the moment of birth is fine with him.

Supporting abortion at nine months of a pregnancy puts you on the same moral plane as the Aztec Empire’s child sacrifices. Just saying, it really is.

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Charles in Charge! Scott Baio Calls to Tell Us About California Crime

22 Sep 2022

BUCK: Clay, we have quite a reach here and we also like a lot of the same shows. Did you ever watch Charles in Charge growing up? ‘Cause I watched Charles in Charge as a kid.

CLAY: Oh, of course!. I watched every 1980s show.

BUCK: I bring it up because we were talking about the dysfunction in Sherman Oaks, California, and Charles, from Charles in Charge — a show that you and I watched countless hours of — Scott Baio, the actor, has called in to tell us apparently about what’s going on in Sherman Oaks. Scott, thanks for the ring. We appreciate it.

BAIO: Yeah, you’re welcome. I was listening to you guys earlier as I do most mornings, and, you know, I don’t want people to think that that was a one-off, that situation, ’cause I live a couple miles from there, and it is infinitely worse than what that guy is talking about. I mean, it’s everywhere out here in the San Fernando Valley.

BUCK: Scott, what kind of stuff are you seeing?

BAIO: I see people… When I drive with my kid, I gotta turn her head away. She’s 14 years old. I see people defecating on the sidewalk. You see people in parks shooting up. There’s people passed out everywhere. I mean it. It’s not the isolated. It’s all over the place. And I’m about ready to get out of the state. So, you know, just so you guys know, that it’s no joke out here.

CLAY: When did it start, Scott? ‘Cause I spent a lot of time in L.A., too, and this is awesome that you’re calling in. But was there a moment in time when you noticed, “Hey, this has gotten out of control”?

BAIO: I’d say in the past… I think, probably since Governor Newsom, it’s really gotten bad, and maybe a little before that. So, maybe four or five years ago. It’s just… It’s out of control, guys. Listen, I’ve been here for 45, almost 50 years. I’ve seen this place go from an absolute paradise to a cesspool, and —

BUCK: Yeah, they should make a show called Newsom in Charge where he manages to destroy one of the greatest states in the country. Scott Baio, everybody. Scott, thanks so much for calling in, man. We are honored that you are a listener. Thank you very much.

BAIO: God bless you guys. Thank you.

CLAY: That is phenomenal, Buck — and also, remember Scott Baio got the name drop in Bill Maher, the clip that we played over the weekend.


That is phenomenal.

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Berenson Explains How Bad Vaccines Led to Herd Immunity

22 Sep 2022

CLAY: We bring on now Alex Berenson. It’s cold and flu season. Fauci’s gearing up. Fall is here. Alex, I want to start with this ’cause we’ve been having fun with it, and I know you’re gonna take it to a dark place eventually with all the results that are coming in unfortunately from these covid shots. So, what is your reaction to reports that Fauci would regularly mock the restaurant restrictions that you would have to wear a mask until you got seated, and also that he said privately, “I could get people to believe they need to do anything,” when he was talking about wearing goggles and double and triple masking? I mean, does it make you hate him even more?

BERENSON: Uh, you know, I’d actually be glad if that’s true. I know this is from this Trump tell-all, right? This —

CLAY: Yeah, Brian Morgenstern. We had him on the show yesterday talking about it.

BERENSON: I mean, because then he’d be in on the joke a little bit, and he’s not a complete idiot. So those are our choices like to be… Like I guess I’d rather believe that he’s like a cynical, you know, you-know-what than like he’s just a moron who actually believed the idea that masking while you’re walking to the table and not masking while you’re eating made any sense. But those are really our choices, right? He’s either a fool or a cynic.

BUCK: Alex, the latest on the vaccines, what do we need to do know about…? First of all, there are places… Smith College, a place I actually spent a lot of time when I was in college. I know it pretty well. It is — it has been an insane asylum in a lot of ways for a long time on a whole bunch of issues. But Smith College I think is requiring the most up-to-date vaccination. Why is it…? I mean, we ask you questions six, seven, eight months ago now like, “Hey, how…?” They keep saying it’s so effective at preventing death but then we started to see these numbers about even those at high risk that most of the people who were dying on a monthly basis in this country were vaccinated. How do we disentangle the efficacy component before we talk about the side effect component?

BERENSON: Well, I mean, so, look, we’re… (sigh) We’re at this interesting place. There’s been a… I mean, the vaccines are now rejected, I think. I mean, I think almost nobody with a choice is getting this bivalent booster. And, you know, I don’t want to, like, depend too much on the anecdotes here but I think I’ve mentioned my mother a couple of times on the show in the past, and, you know, she’s an MSNBC watcher and refers to Anthony Fauci as “America’s Doctor” without — you know, without irony.

CLAY: Gotta be a fun Thanksgiving.

BERENSON: And she is probably — or at least is seriously considering — not getting the fifth shot. And so, you know, I think even for people… You know, she’s had covid a couple of times. She’s gotten her four vaccines, you know, her four shots. You know, even somebody… Even people who are pretty disposed to believe everything that they’ve been told for the last two years now understands that the vaccine is not protective against infection or transmission. And people — you know, look. People are looking around and seeing, you know, “We’re two-plus years into this. Who do I know who’s gotten really sick from covid?

“Who do I know who’s died from covid who wasn’t 85 years old or 400 pounds?” And for most people, almost everybody, the answer to that question is, “Nobody. I don’t know anybody who — you know, for whom this was a serious disease who wasn’t sick in some profound way beforehand,” and then they say, “What about the vaccines? Like, do I know people who had a bad response, who were laid up for a week or whose arm swelled up or…” Not necessarily who died. And they’re saying, like, “Why would I get this?” And I think really that’s where we are and there’s just these sort of weird pockets of the government and the educational system and, to some extent, you know, the medical system that haven’t caught up with where everyone is right now.

CLAY: Yeah. And Alex, I think speaking to that in particular, you were one of the first that I remember talking about the data on kids getting covid shots, and the Washington Post had, like, really upsetting article — I’m sure you read it — three or four days ago, and I’ll hit the stats for everybody out there —

BERENSON: Yep.

CLAY: — 95% nationwide of parents of 6-month-old to 5 years old are not getting them the shot. That is only 5% are. And the numbers I think have stunned some of the so-called health experts. But to me that’s clear evidence of how people are voting. Parents might take risks more so with their own health, but when it comes to their young kids, they’re much more risk-averse and they’re overwhelmingly voting “no” on the covid shot for young kids.

BERENSON: Yes, you’re absolutely, and funny you mentioned it, ’cause I’m writing a Substack about that right now, the Washington Post story got me to look at the numbers again myself. ‘Cause, you know, it’s pretty stunning, actually, that it’s so overwhelming that even the Washington Post has taken notice. And, you know, the lead on my study is Ted Cruz 1, Elmo 0. I don’t know if you remember but —

CLAY: Oh, yes, the Sesame Street battle. Yeah.

BERENSON: That’s right. And Cruz said, you know, what are they doing, and it was, oh, Ted Cruz, you know, hates your kids and you can trust Elmo. Well, apparently —

CLAY: Saturday Night Live did a skit making fun of him. But he was right.

BERENSON: That’s right. He was right. And it’s even worse from the vaccine advocate’s point of view than you’re seeing because 93% of parents have not gotten their kids even one shot. But then when you look at the 7% who have — I’m talking about in the under-5 group — 80% of those parents haven’t gotten their kids a second shot. So when you look at the number of kids who are fully vaccinated against covid who are under 5, it’s less than 2% of all children in that age range. It’s unbelievable what a rejection it’s been. And so when you read that Washington Post story, you know, as you guys have, it’s interesting because the vaccine advocates are like, “Oh, we didn’t let parents know this was available.” (crosstalk)

CLAY: Oh, yeah.

BERENSON: That’s such nonsense. It’s just a lie. You couldn’t go anywhere in June without hearing about this.

BUCK: Alex, we have to ask you also about this idea of negative efficacy when it comes to infection for young people. How solid is the data on this, where is this? Essentially, is there real data right now to suggest that people who are — I think it was… was it under 12? — who got the shot were more likely to be reinfected with covid? That was the preprint study. Can you just tell us, where does that stand?

BERENSON: Yeah. No, it’s extremely solid. And it’s really not just under 12. It’s just, you know, that — the study with under 12s has… You know, they extended the timeline out far enough to catch the fall into negative efficacy. But if you look at, you know, data on older people, it’s the same thing. So with Omicron, it’s quite clear that after a couple of months, the vaccine really stops being protective at all and then it looks like after a couple of months after that your risk of infection actually rises. You have a bigger risk of being infected if you are vaccinated than if you’re not.

And, like, there’s… You know, there’s ways to explain that that don’t involve actual, like, biological changes that the vaccine is making in you. For example, you know, the vaccine advocates say, “Oh, that’s because people who are vaccinated know they’re vaccinated and they take more risks.” But that’s probably not true. The reality is, the vaccine basically — the original version of it, which is what you have to get even if you’re getting, you know, the, quote-unquote, bivaliant booster, the original version of it causes your body to make antibodies that are not really good against the Omicron spike. And so over time, as your overall number of antibodies wanes, you appear to be left with some that actually increase the risk of your infection. It gets complicated, the details, but that’s the top line. The top line is that data is probably correct, and you are probably now at higher risk of Omicron infection if you’re vaccinated than if not.

CLAY: So is essentially this just gonna go away and people are going to pretend that this whole thing never happened in your mind now? Because clearly kids are not getting these shots. There’s no mandates now. Even aggressive cities like New York are doing away with much of their private vaccine mandate.

BERENSON: Yeah.

CLAY: It seems like Biden wants to claim the pandemic’s over because he needs to have something that he can claim he didn’t screw up. Like, where are we, in your mind, with these covid shots?

BERENSON: I think so. I think that’s correct. I mean, the only… Sort of the black swan would be if a new variant comes out that is actually quite dangerous and then the negative efficacy will really matter. But, you know, your listeners and you may recall that I was sort of harping on that a little bit more three or four months ago. And it seems like that’s less of a risk now. It seems that Omicron is just dominant. And Omicron is just not that dangerous to almost everybody. And so everybody’s gotten it. A lot of people have gotten it more than once.

You know, and the other thing that’s happened is if you look at what are called anti-N antibodies — so that’s a different part of the virus — which are very durable and which the vaccine does not cause you to make. You can only get those after being infected and recovering. The levels of those in the population are now very high. So that’s actually probably protective as well. Whatever happens to the spike, we will all have these anti-N antibodies helping us. And there was a period of time when I was worried that the vaccine would actually interfere with the generation of those. But it looks like the vaccine ultimately proved so useless against Omicron that you get it and you get these anti-N antibodies, and that’s good for you.

BUCK: So just to bring us full circle, the vaccines were so crappy that the good news is that people got covid anyway and now have natural immunity.

CLAY: (laughing)

BUCK: Did I get that right?

BERENSON: You basically… That’s correct. That’s a piece I really need to right for the stack, but yes. That’s basically what has happened in the last six months.

BUCK: That’s amazing. Alex Berenson, everybody, go check out his Substack. Clay and I are subscribers. It’s been fantastic. And he’s continued to work on this. And it’s not over, if you listen to the Biden administration. They’re still pushing it; Fauci’s pushing it. Alex, thank you so much, man. As always, we appreciate you.

BERENSON: Great pleasure, guys.

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The Monster Fauci Thinks He Symbolizes Truth

22 Sep 2022

Yesterday we had Brian Morgenstern on, and he told us some interesting things about how “The Fauch” mocked restrictions behind closed doors. They called him “St. Anthony” at the White House.

Remember when this arrogant little tyrant Smurf declared “I am the science,” and, therefore, he could not be questioned?

Well, now he says he symbolizes truth itself.

He is a monster, and the fact that he is still allowed to work in our government is infuriating.

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JD Vance Is Taking It to Tim Ryan in Ohio

22 Sep 2022

CLAY: We are joined now by Ohio Senate candidate, best-selling author JD Vance. JD, you’ve been feuding with Tim Ryan — I saw this story; I couldn’t believe it — over who likes Ohio State football more. Now, I’m a pretty big college football fan. I didn’t anticipate this being a major brouhaha, so to speak. But I think it probably speaks to the desperation that Tim Ryan is feeling that he’s trying to make this an issue. The campaign’s going pretty well, right?

VANCE: Yeah, it’s definitely going well. It’s one of these weird issues where, you know, it reminds me a couple of years ago where like every liberal in Hollywood got really into the NFL because they put “End Racism” in the end zone.

CLAY: Yeah.

VANCE: He did this weird thing where he obsessed for two weeks about the fact that Trump was holding a rally — which of course I was going to cause it’s in the state of Ohio — during an Ohio State football game. And, by the way, it was Ohio State-Toledo. I think that Ohio State scored like basketball team-like numbers against Toledo. I was not exactly worried.

CLAY: It’s not the biggest game of the year for the Buckeyes, I think it’s fair to say, yes.

VANCE: Exactly. But the hilarious thing, as it turns out he was not watching the game either and so he had his staff live tweeting the game as if it was him, but he was at somebody’s wedding; so, you know, who cares. Like he goes to a wedding. No one would make an issue out of it but he decided to make an issue out of this football game even though he was being hypocritical. It’s sort of a good illustration of his entire campaign…

BUCK: Hey, JD, it’s Buck. We were just talking about the crime issue, and I have seen — when was this just to make sure I’m right — oh, just today — that Columbus, Ohio, for example, has already passed a hundred homicides. It’s a little later, two months later than the record year of homicides they had last year. Ohio statewide and in its major cities, how is it doing when if comes to crime, and what are some of the progressive prosecutors pushing in those cities? You know, we talk about Wisconsin, Milwaukee, Chicago, Illinois. What’s going on in Ohio crime-wise?

VANCE: Well, it’s not good, Buck, so we definitely have a crime problem in Ohio, if you look at some of your biggest cities, you know, we have violent crime rates that rival some Third World countries and, you know, everybody thinks about Chicago, New York, and San Francisco. But there are some cities in Ohio that are doing very poorly, and you’re right to ask about the prosecutors because the things they’re really doing, it’s actually not just the prosecutors but it’s a lot of the very activist local judges. The police officers, I’ve heard them say they bring a guy who carjacked a woman at 8 in the morning and instead of arresting…

Well, they arrest the person but instead of putting that person in jail, the judges will let them out. They will so-called divert them from the traditional criminal justice system and then the cops will arrest the same person the same day committing the same violent crime, and that’s happening all over the state of Ohio. It’s just straightforward policy choices. If you look at the statistics, you guys, it’s a very consistent story that a substantial share of the violent crime is committed by a handful of people. So, this decision just to let violent criminals maraud around our streets is very, very directly causing this. And if we just accept that some people, you know what? They need to spend some time in prison, we could deal with a lot of this problem.

CLAY: JD, when you look at and talk to people on the streets — you’ve been all over Ohio — Buck and I have been saying it’s inflation/the economy, it’s the border, and it’s crime. Does that overwhelmingly reflect what you are hearing from your constituents in Ohio about their biggest concerns?

VANCE: It is. I mean, those are definitely the top three issues, and, you know, you hear about them in different ways, but definitely those are things that dominate people’s minds. I will say that a lot of people, you know, I might add to that, they’re just sick being told what they’re allowed to say and what they’re allowed to think. A lot of people in Ohio, obviously — I mean, not just Ohio, but all across the country — headed back to school the last couple of weeks.

And so I think the fact that too many schools are in the game of indoctrinating kids instead of educating kids is coming back to the forefront of parents’ minds. They’re very worried about the quality of the education their kids are getting. There have been a couple of little rumors about, you know, covid policy getting a little crazy, some schools remasking and so forth. So I think the school issue remains a big issue. And I think, you know, a lot of people forgot about it because we just had this very long political summer. But as people get back to the cadence of normal life, I suspect the school issue is gonna be top of mind come November as well.

BUCK: Speaking to JD Vance. He is running for Senate in Ohio. JD, what would be your top priorities? I mean, obviously with Joe Biden still in office getting any laws passed would be very difficult, but we’re gonna be in a presidential election cycle as soon as the midterm cycle ends, you know, finishes up. So the policies that are put forward by the GOP will be essentially on the ballot in 2024. What do you think is critical to get done? I mean, what are some of the things legislatively that you would want to spearhead?

VANCE: Well, look, I think we could close the border. You know, Biden knows this is politically unpopular. I think that he’d probably would like an exit ramp, especially as he heads into a presidential election year — of course, if they let him run in the first place. But I think, you know, we could actually say, “Look. You’re not gonna get a dollar of your priorities if you don’t actually enforce the border, build the border wall, and allow the Border Patrol agents to do what they do best which is to keep us safe.”

I also think that to your point about him vetoing laws, you know, we should actually propose legislation and let him veto the stuff, right? Do some things that are politically popular, that are good for the country that are consistent with our values and force Joe Biden to say “no” to it. So that when, you know, we run in ’24 — whether it’s Trump or DeSantis or whoever else — we actually have a set of priorities; it’s not just Biden is a bad president. You know, 70% of the country agrees with that, but here are a series of Republican proposals where if we take the country in a different direction this will affirmatively become law and make your life better.

CLAY: A big part of that, obviously, JD is that Tim Ryan has tried to claim that he is a moderate and independent voice while at the same time supporting virtually everything that Joe Biden advocates for. What about that appeal? Is that having success in convincing people that he is a moderate, or are most people seeing through it and recognizing that, essentially, he’s a rubber stamp for everything that Joe Biden wanted to get done?

VANCE: I think most people see through it and sort of our job over the next 50 days is to make sure everybody sees through it because you’re exactly right: It’s an incredible the contrast between the D.C. liberal, Tim Ryan — who votes for open borders, who votes to let violent criminals out of prison, who votes to crush the Ohio energy economy which is one of the things driving inflation — and then the totally reasonable guy that comes on these TV commercials and runs away from every single position where he’s taken a vote even a couple of years ago.

I mean, even the student debt issue, right? Not a very popular thing. I think a deeply unfair thing that Joe Biden did and probably illegally. Tim Ryan voted for a more generous version of student let relief and then comes around and says, “Well, I don’t actually like what Joe Biden is doing.” Well, the reason why you say you don’t like it is because you know it’s not gonna get you elected to the Senate. But look, the guy’s record is the guy’s record, and it’s impossible for him to run away from it. We’ve started to hammer him on the airwaves to let people know that this fake moderate they see in these TV commercials is not the real D.C. Tim Ryan.

We’re gonna keep on doing that, and I think it’s already had a big effect. I think it will continue to have a big effect through the election. So I feel good about our race. I think, you know, those of your listeners who are in Ohio, just let your friends know, let your family know: This guy’s not a moderate; he’s not a conservative. He is a very radical rubber stamp for Joe Biden and Nancy Pelosi. And of course if people have resources, they can go to JDVance.com, donate to the campaign and help us fund some of these advertisements that get that message out.

BUCK: JD, we’ve got a lot of people listening across Ohio including in our affiliate WHLO AM in the Cleveland-Akron area, and so they can go to your site as you said. I’m just wondering, are you getting the same kind of dodging-the-question or dodging-the-debate treatment with Ryan that we’ve seen start to happen? It’s just becoming obviously, right, in other races, Cortez Masto in Nevada is not really willing to face the press or square off against Adam Laxalt. Clearly Fetterman, to your east there, Fetterman and Oz, Fetterman’s trying to avoid that. So are we saying the same thing with Tim Ryan? You said that he’s misrepresenting himself, but is he also trying to pull a hide-in-the-basement and hope the press carries the water for him routine? What’s going on?

VANCE: Well, you know, Fetterman is, of course, the most well spoken of the Democrats; so Oz has to be careful there. But, you know, in our race in Ohio, we really want to debate, and we think that where we are gonna have debates. Now, here’s the deal. We’ve accepted a couple debates and, you know, a couple media organizations said, “We’d like to host these debates.” Our campaign went out immediately and said, “Okay, those are the two debates that we’ll do.” Now, the only debate that Tim Ryan has said he wants to do is one put on by the Ohio Debate Commission.

And that may sound like a nonpartisan organization but as we found out a couple of days ago, the Ohio Debate Commission, the leader, is a literal Tim Ryan donor. Like, she’s written checks to Tim Ryan; she was like on the board of Planned Parenthood. It’s basically an activist organization. And so the debate we’re having here in Ohio is, “Yes, we’ll do the debate; but we’re not doing it with a partisan Democrat organization. We’ll do it with nonpartisan media organizations.” And I think, you know, our message to Tim Ryan is been look. You know, I guarantee you he’s saying seeing the same thing in his internal numbers that we’re seeing in ours. He needs the debates more than we do and so I hope he’ll accept.

BUCK: Clay, we’ve got people in WKRC in Cincinnati, WTAM in Cleveland, WHLO in Akron, WTVN in Columbus, Toledo, Ohio, WSPD. I mean, they can make a big difference here. I think everyone needs to understand, they can make the difference in this race.

CLAY: No, in many of those markets we’re number one in the entire market now; so, JD, I hope they’re listening and hope they’re enjoying this. One of the things that stood out — and we went after Tim Ryan for this — was he essentially said he supports abortion all the way through nine months. And obviously many different states are coming to many different laws as it pertains to that. Are you finding that most Ohioans, JD, find Tim Ryan’s position of abortion all the way through nine months is a radical proposition?

VANCE: Yeah, absolutely. And look. I’m pro-life, and I recognize, you know, different people are gonna draw the lane maybe differently from what I would like to do. But pretty much all of us can agree that you should not have taxpayer-funded, elective abortion at 40 weeks, right? You can’t use abortion as birth control, especially that late in pregnancy. And Tim Ryan has repeatedly voted for legislation that not only would allow it nationwide — would invalidate any restriction on abortion nationwide — but would also force Ohio taxpayers to foot the bill.

It’s really a testament to how crazy the Democrats have gotten on this issue. If you look across this world, Scandinavia, Western Europe, these are typical considered pretty far-left societies. You know, they typically ban abortion after 12 to 15 weeks. The only countries that allow nonstop abortion on demand up to the moment of birth are North Korea and China. I don’t want to join that club. I guess we’re already in that club, but I don’t want to be part of that club anymore.

And again, I think it just shows Tim Ryan’s really out of step here. And people ask, “Well, why does he take such radical positions?” And the answer is actually really simple: Because of the activists that fund. His campaign, the reason why he has all these TV commercials saying that he’s a moderate is because these activists put a lot of money into his races, and he knows if he crosses these people, he’s gonna have to run on his own record and he’s gonna lose.

CLAY: JD Vance, who’s gonna win, be the next senator from Ohio. You can give him your support. Give us that website one more time, JD.

VANCE: Yeah, that’s JDVance.com. Appreciate everything, appreciate what you guys are doing and everybody in Ohio, let’s get out and vote on November 8th.

BUCK: Thanks, JD. And, Clay, we’re thinking he’s gonna win. He’s gotta win by a lot, though, folks. Gotta send a message. Can’t be close. Get out there. Help him.

CLAY: Amen. And hopefully the Buckeyes will continue to win so Tim Ryan will have something to talk about.

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