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Woke White Democrats Turned Portland Into Murderlandia

24 Aug 2022

BUCK: On the crime issue, Clay — we keep coming back to this — we’re seeing stories that certainly indicate how violent, how dangerous a lot of cities have become, and it’s happened the last few years. But the numbers are staggering, what we see happening across the country is just horrific, the number of shootings that have happened. We have Philadelphia on track for, after last year, the most murders in the history of the city —

CLAY: — how crazy that is. For a city like Philadelphia to be setting all-time records right now.

BUCK: Yeah. It’s just unbelievable. And they’re gonna have an all-time record here for murders this year. Remember, very far left, progressive prosecutor. You have similar numbers in a lot of other cities. Portland, where we are on a great station, KEX in Portland, and we really appreciate all of you our Portland folks tuning in. A lot of them are, and we have them call in before, Portland-area residents, right? They live outside the city because the city’s been turned… The Pacific Northwest, I’ve said this before and I know you agree, Clay, it’s one of the most beautiful parts of the country, and Seattle and Portland should be —

CLAY: One of the most beautiful parts of the world.

BUCK: Yes.

CLAY: It is amazing.

BUCK: Seattle and Portland should be jewel cities — and San Francisco was. Look at this, San Francisco, Seattle, Portland, huge problems. Portland could surpass last year’s shootings. And Clay, what was it? Murders in Portland, homicides in Portland are up.

CLAY: I’ve got it right here directly in front of me, Buck. Huge article in the Wall Street Journal. I was reading it over the weekend. They averaged in Portland, Buck, between 2000 and 2019, 21 murders a year. Virtually… I mean, look, it happened, but it was almost unheard of for the first 20 years of the twenty-first century. Last year, Buck, they had 88 murders in Portland. Over a quadrupling. First 19 years, almost unheard of for a murder to happen.

I don’t know that there’s any city in America that has quadrupled its murder total in the last couple of years like Portland has, and for the most part… This is a Wall Street Journal article. Wall Street Journal, best newspaper in America, and there’s not a close second right now, by the way. Wall Street Journal: 88 murders in 2021. They’re on track for another massive increase over the historical averages in 2022. We saw it in 2020. This is insanity.

BUCK: So, you also had a thousand shoo shootings in Portland last year, which was a massive increase. There’s only 365 days in a year, everybody. Portland is not a large city. It’s a mid-sized city, 650,000 people in Portland. So, what is that? Puts it probably top 50, maybe top 40 cities in the country? I’d have to look at the specific numbers. But, Clay, by way of comparison, so, Portland had… What was the most recent number? I just did the math.

CLAY: Twenty-one for 20 years.

BUCK: Right. So, what’s the most recent. Last year it was —

CLAY: Eighty-eight last year.

BUCK: If you were to do the math on this one, if Portland were the size of New York City and you expanded out the murders per capita, you just did the math on this one, you’re getting pretty close to a thousand murders, right? That’s what it would be, if Portland were the size of New York. If you look at a city like Baltimore, for example, which has hundreds of murders a year and you expand that to the size of New York City you would also see a similar… You’re getting to like the worst days of the 1990s. New York has 2,200 murders in 1990, 1991.

We’re going back to the days when people didn’t feel safe at all in the streets. We’re moving in that direction. And now let’s get to the “why.” The answer is stupid ideas from Democrats. It’s very straightforward. This is not… They told us it was covid. That was a lie. They told us that it was just not even happening, it was a data blip, it will go away. That was like a lie. The fact of the matter is that Democrats have engaged in an all-out leftist assault on the criminal justice system from policing to prosecution to incarceration, at all levels.

And what we’re seeing is the criminal element in place after place, city after city, doesn’t feel like they’re going to suffer serious consequences. They commit more and more serious crimes as a result. And people are fleeing cities now because of this. It’s happening all over the country. And they should flee these cities. And there should be political consequences for the people that have made these insane decisions.

CLAY: And here’s what I would point out to everybody. The reason why Portland is such a fascinating window into failed Democrat policies is, Portland is probably the most left wing, major city in America today. And I’m define major city for everybody out there. Kind of city that could have a pro sports franchise, right? Trailblazers, Portland, they have.

BUCK: Portland’s about 25th, 26th, by population. I checked. I said top 40. It’s like 25th, 26th.

CLAY: Okay. Name a city that is more woke than Portland. I bet almost everybody out there listening right now… They made a show called Portlandia which is basically mocking the white, woke community that is the underlying foundation of Portland. Used to be, to Buck’s point, a jewel of the Pacific Northwest, one of the safest places in all the country. I bet there’s not one major city in America, Buck, that has quadrupled its murder rate in the last couple of years, in the entire United States, I bet you can’t find one.

Is it a coincidence that the wokest city in America, the one that we repudiated police the most aggressively and went in with left-wing, defund the police, Antifa protests constantly, is it a surprise that they quadrupled their murders, that that went up more than anywhere? I don’t think so. I think it’s a natural consequence. And if we’re not careful, every city becomes Portland.

BUCK: And let’s look at what they did. I mean, we talk about this in terms of the stats, the numbers. What are the decisions that they made — and when I say “they,” Democrats. Down the line. Not a single Republican. This isn’t a both sides issue. This isn’t a, “Oh, they do things, we do things left and right.” No, no. Democrats have total dominance of the city. They do things like they say, let’s let people live on the streets, meaning camp on the streets, set up campsites wherever they want — on the street, in the park, outside your home.

Well, that also brings down property values. That makes people feel less safe. And sure, most of the people camping out aren’t actually harming anybody. But it’s unsanitary. They’re harming themselves. They make drugs legal for people to do outdoors. They’ve had a huge increase in overdose deaths which they said they… Remember, they legalize drugs to make people safer from the drug use and actually more people are doing drugs and dying as a result.

Then they say, well, we don’t want to be too strict with people when it comes to not only public urination and defecation, which they decide is also legal, all quality-of-life crimes, then it’s, let’s not arrest people for shoplifting, let’s set a really high limit, say, I don’t know, $900, which is what they’ve had in California recently, before you’re gonna get arrested and charged with a felony or anything serious at all.

So, let’s effectively decriminalize stealing, open air drug use, living on the street, urinating in public, you know, indecent exposure, which is good guy all the time, essentially let’s bring as many criminal, deeply schizophrenic drug abusers possible, have them descend on our city, and then when beam do really bad stuff, let’s not lock them up for long periods because we don’t want mass incarceration, and let’s just see what happens. And we’re seeing what happens.

CLAY: And the small businesses that are trying to make a living, the small business owners all over Portland, people don’t feel comfortable on the streets; so, they’re not coming into downtown. They’re not traveling around like they ordinarily would. In fact, Buck, let’s hope — we do this every now and then. We have a large audience in Portland.

I’d like to hear from people who live in Portland, what the last couple of years have felt like as your murder rate has quadrupled. And we can talk about all different sorts crime, but one reason we like to talk about murders on this is, it’s hard to determine sometimes whether other crimes are going up ’cause people might not call the police as often over their scooters getting stolen like happened to Buck in New York City.

BUCK: Trauma.

CLAY: But for the most part if there is a dead body, there is an investigation, it’s a tally that’s somewhat reliable. Quadrupling murder rates. 1-800-282-2882. Only Portland people. What’s it like to live in your city right now and have all of these failures raining down upon you such that arguably Portland is the biggest failure of the post-George Floyd era in America?

BUCK: It is also really the home city of Antifa, it is the city more than any other. I mean, Seattle is probably right up there, but Portland has an Antifa presence that is — it’s consistent. Anytime there’s the any of right wing gathering, a conservative or Republican gathering, you know Antifa is gonna show up there. So, Antifa is really just a distillation of left-wing — they’re essentially the shock troops of left-wing — wokeism. And do you remember when the mayor there, Ted Wheeler, during the whole BLM summer of violence and destruction, Ted Wheeler, like, showed up, the mayor of Portland.

CLAY: Oh, I remember this.

BUCK: “Guys, I’m here for you.” They’re like, “Shut up, you little nerd. Like, we hate you.” Yeah, exactly. It’s just destruction and anger and rage and stupidity all with Democrats blessing it, pushing it along.

CLAY: Almost all white, woke Democrats. I just want you to be thinking about this. The worst people in America, the people who are destroying America the most, white, woke Democrats, and Portland is a perfect approximation and epitomization of exactly what’s going on there. I want to take some of those calls. Portland, you’re on the clock.

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CLAY: Portland, a lot of people weighing in. We appreciate everybody listening on KEX there. We’ve got a monster audience. And this quadrupling of the murders, Colonel Miller, what’s going on from your perspective in Portland?

BUCK: He lives in Portland. What’s up, Colonel?

CALLER: Hey, Clay and Buck. Thanks for the opportunity. So, I’m a lifetime Portlander. My family’s been in the Portland area since the late 1800s. I’ve been there since the sixties. I followed it in 2019 — I’m retired Air Force — and then I followed it nightly after the George Floyd death and the protests. And what I saw was Black Lives Matter and Antifa became one violent organization, and that’s where the violence stemmed from.

You know, the first 45 days at the county courthouse, the next 45 at the federal courthouse, and then for the next year they would hit north, south, east, west, and central police precincts every night, and then the ICE detention center, and they would rotate how they hit those. And that’s where all the violence that came from and perpetrated primarily for a year.

CLAY: What’s it like to live in the city now compared to what it used to be like?

CALLER: Yeah. So, it used to be like in the nineties I think, you know, 450,000 population with 1,150 in the Portland Police Bureau. Fast-forward to today, 650,000 plus, we don’t have 700-plus in the Portland Police Bureau.

BUCK: Wow.

CALLER: They’ve defunded all that.

BUCK: You don’t have enough cops. I mean, that’s another part of this too. Just like, you know, Border Patrol’s overwhelmed. Cops in our cities are overwhelmed. Colonel Miller up in Portland, thank you, sir. Luke from the outskirts of Portland, Oregon. Luke, what do you got for us?

CALLER: Hey, guys. Thanks for the opportunity, and I’m glad you guys are highlighting what’s happened in Portland as what might happen elsewhere. I’m a small business owner. I have two small kids. Born and raised in Portland like the colonel. It was a wonderful place to live until about five or six years ago. And crime has skyrocketed.

Finally, my wife convinced us to move out of Northeast Portland neighborhood to a bedroom communities, and the week after that happened — it was a nice neighborhood — there was a shooting in the neighborhood. My neighbors’ houses got hit, 30 shots fired, two kids went to the hospital. And it’s just, you know, it was a sad deal. It’s really tragic. Because I was so proud of Portland forever and now, I’m almost embarrassed to live here.

BUCK: There is nothing that Democrats can’t ruin, folks. Always remember that.

CLAY: You live in a fantastic place. Mike in Portland, you went and got a gun. You didn’t have one before, but you’ve become so unsafe — this experience of living in Portland that you decided you had to protect yourself?

CALLER: Yeah. That’s right. Great show, guys. I echo what the other folks are saying. I went and got my concealed carry for Oregon and Washington. There’s plenty of buildings in town that say, “firearms not allowed,” which of course only protects the bad guys. And I’m happy to carry where I need to regardless of signs. People know what I’m talking about. But, yeah, it’s wild west out here. You’re scared to go downtown. And I grew up here. I live three miles from downtown up in the hills just above downtown.

You’re scared to go down there. And you’re always looking over your shoulder. It’s horrendous conditions. Everything you’ve heard is true, and it’s worse. And I have a few friends that are cops. Our police force is down by the hundreds. And they don’t — they’re not even honest about it. Mayor Ted Wheeler is an idiot, and he lies to the public constantly, and they won’t take responsibility for anything. It’s really a shame, because it’s a gorgeous city, it’s a gorgeous place to live. But people are emboldened by the lack of responsibility through the city council and the DA and so on.

BUCK: Thanks for calling in. Yeah. Elect Republicans, folks. The short answer to the complicated problem here.

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Dr. Makary’s Take on Boosters, Fauci’s Failures

24 Aug 2022

CLAY: We’re joined now by our friend Dr. Marty Makary at Johns Hopkins University. He’s done a fabulous job pushing back against so many of the prevailing narratives during covid, helped to advise both, I believe, Ron DeSantis and Glenn Youngkin, two men who have been extremely rationale in responding to the emotional impact of covid out there. Member of the National Academy of Medicine, has a New York Times best-selling book, The Price We Pay.

So, Dr. Makary, I want to start with this question because my wife actually asked me this. We were discussing — I’m sure you saw — that they’re starting to roll out the new covid boosters. And as a part of the new covid booster, one of the questions that Buck and I have been asking for a while is; so, can you just jump ahead, if you never got the original covid shots, can you just get a booster since it’s now designed for covid that’s closer to what we have now?

And the answer, according to the Biden administration is no. Does it make sense? Like let’s, pretend. I’ve never gotten a covid shot. Let’s pretend that suddenly I was like, you know what? I should have gotten a covid shot and I want to get the updated booster. Does it make any sense at all that I would get the shot that’s been out for almost two years that we know has no impact on covid now? Is that rational, logical at all from a shot perspective?

DR. MAKARY: It makes about as much sense as saying you can’t go to college unless you return the book to the librarian from third grade. There’s no association whatsoever. So, this is paternalism.

CLAY: Yeah. That was my thought.

DR. MAKARY: Yeah. Paternalism.

CLAY: I can tell my wife. She was like, that seems like it’s the right answer. This is totally illogical and makes no sense.

DR. MAKARY: Well, I would advise against someone like yourself, Clay, from getting the original Wuhan vaccine at this point. You’ve had covid I think twice. At this point there’s a concern about what we call the multiple booster strategy because of this thing called immune imprinting. Now, these are theories. We don’t know for a fact if there’s a downside to multiple boosters, but there’s a big paper in the journal Science, one of our top journals, that says that people who got the multiple boosters actually did a little worse against Omicron.

BUCK: Dr. Makary, it’s Buck. Is that similar to original antigenic sin?

DR. MAKARY: It’s the same concept but it’s a little different. With some infections, the subsequent infections are worse. We don’t see that with covid.

CLAY: So, what you said is something super fascinating. I think Alex Berenson mentioned it with us. This study suggested that people who had gotten the covid shots and gotten the boosters were actually more likely to get covid than people who had not. And tying in with that, Jill Biden, who has gotten — Dr. Jill Biden, not Joe — four shots, has just in the last 10 minutes announced that she’s tested positive for covid again.

BUCK: She must have forgotten all the mitigation she learned in medical school, Clay, Dr. Biden. Anyway, Dr. Makary, what do you think of this?

DR. MAKARY: Well, look. If it were up to the Biden administration, you might be getting a booster every Monday morning when you show up at work. And what some of us are saying is that let’s look at the data. Let’s look at the data in Science magazine and some of the other articles that are saying people who had the infection, when they get multiple boosters on top of that, they’re a little worse.

So, it may be that people should get the Omicron-specific vaccine that’s coming out in a few weeks. But we don’t have any data. So, how is Ashish Jha in the White House telling everybody as they are, everyone must get this vaccine, it’s very important? We haven’t seen any data at all. So, I mean, is that unreasonable? Now, some people might say with the flu shot we don’t see data.

That’s different. That’s tried and true. It’s a traditional vaccine platform of the protein code. It’s not an mRNA vaccine. MRNA vaccines have a one in 5,000 dose serious adverse event rate, from the German study, and we don’t even know what strain’s gonna be floating out, out there, in a couple months.

BUCK: We’re speaking to Dr. Marty Makary of Johns Hopkins University medical school. Dr. Makary, what you’re also probably seeing, I’m sure, the Fauci showing up — Fauci interview showing up all over the place these days where he’s essentially saying what we’ve been saying here all along, would be his out, which is just, you know, the information changed. Does the medical community…?

I mean, are more people coming out and reaching out to someone like you, for example, and finally seeing the light here that Fauci and Walensky and Birx claim to know the answers at different points and shut down dissent, and now that they basically got everything wrong and people are seeing that, their response is, “Oh, it was evolving.” They didn’t tell us it was evolving as it was evolving.

DR. MAKARY: Well, Dr. Fauci, you know, he’s stepping down in December. And it’s not because the tennis club starts in January. New hearings are gonna start on Capitol Hill. People are angry, and they want closure at some of these giant failures that he’s had. By the way, he’s called all the shots. He said yesterday on Fox that he talks to the director of the CDC every day.

He has never disagreed with anything coming out of the CDC. So, he’s been calling the shots. And he’s failed to warn us of the pandemic a couple days before the lockdowns, all said he was, old people shouldn’t take a cruise when many of us were out there sounding the alarm telling us to get ready. He failed to recognize that children are essentially spared of the severity of covid, especially healthy kids beyond the risk of influenza and RSV.

And he failed to recognize natural immunity, which meant hundreds of thousands of lives were ruined, they were fired. And he showed no humility. So, he’s been slow, he hasn’t mobilized the research dollars to answer the big questions early on. That’s his job. His main job, his number one job is to give out research funding. Well, we’re telling everyone to wash their hands like crazy for months.

Do that research. It takes about 12 hours to do the study. Get one of your fancy BSL-4 labs — the NIH has four of them — and do that experiment. He didn’t do the research on hand washing versus airborne, on natural immunity, on the booster strategy, on the dosing between the first two intervals, and on the adverse event rate of the vaccine in children, including myocarditis. That stuff was untouched. I think that was his greatest failure.

CLAY: Dr. Makary, you and many of the signatories of the Great Barrington Declaration every single day are being more vindicated in real time. Twenty years from now — Dr. Fauci’s 81 — I hope everybody listening around is still around here. I hope Buck and I are. I hope you are, Doc, I hope everybody out there listening is. Dr. Fauci is 81. He’d be 101 if he was still alive. A generation from now, what is history saying, do you think, about our response to covid and Dr. Fauci’s leadership of that response?

DR. MAKARY: Well, we got lucky during covid — and I don’t say this lightly — but the infection fatality rate was two-tenths of 1%. In the world of global pandemics, it was a mild pandemic. What happens if we get an infectious pathogen with an infectious fatality rate of 20% or 30%? Now, we’ve had a lot, and we’re gonna have more. We’ve had Ebola, Zika, SARS, MERS, polio, I mean, just in the last generation. We’re going to have more. The question is now, will anyone trust what’s coming out of the CDC or health authorities? I don’t think so. I think now people have lost complete faith and trust. We need fresh leadership. We need humility. People need a closure, and I hope we can get it.

BUCK: Do you think we’re gonna run into any of the completely pointless, useless policies of the past reinstituted in blue cities, Dr. Makary, or even some blue states in this upcoming cold and flu season, which is what we used to call it now, I guess covid season as well? Or is your expectation that enough people now realize… I mean, I honestly think that some of the dumbest public officials in the country are public health officials. So, it has been remarkable to see that play out.

DR. MAKARY: Well, what concerns me, you know, Philadelphia started school again with masks on.

BUCK. Oh, my God.

DR. MAKARY: And Boston, up until the last day of June, never removed their mask mandate, ever, during the pandemic, for K through 12. So, unfortunately, the vulnerable populations, the defenseless, the children, people who are poor and minority communities have disproportionately borne the brunt of these covid restrictions while public health officials are in their second homes and on Zoom living a great life with their kids at country clubs and with private tutors. That is the untold story of the pandemic. And I hope people see the social inequity of it all so they can, you know, remember it for the future.

CLAY: Dr. Makary, this news is out. We mentioned Jill Biden. But I think this is interesting. Georgetown University — Buck, you and I were talking about Georgetown earlier, one of the top Jesuit institutions in the nation and one of the top universities in the nation in general. It’s requiring all of its students to wear masks in indoor classes still. Dr. Makary, this is an elite academic institution. When you see a school like Georgetown making a decision like this basically in your geographic region — you’re just up the road a little bit — what do you think?

DR. MAKARY: Well, it’s embarrassing because I went to Georgetown for my surgical residency.

CLAY: I didn’t even know that.

DR. MAKARY: How long are they gonna do this for? I mean, first of all, they’re ignoring all the studies. The Finnish study, the Catalonia study, the Tracy Hoeg study from UC Davis, all showed no difference in viral transmission when students in classrooms wore masks. Now, they also have a vaccine and booster requirement there. So, what are they doing? They’re torturing these poor students. Alumni are upset. They’re calling in. And there’s no end in sight for some of these folks. I think people need to speak up.

BUCK: Why do you think they’re doing it at Georgetown, Dr. Makary? What is the mentality? Are these people — is it like a mental illness now that they can’t let this go, or do they just view it as political allegiance and obedience training? It’s hard to believe that the people at Georgetown University are such morons that they actually think masking up students is going to do anything.

DR. MAKARY: Well, I think there’s this culture within the medical community and among academic elites that “I’m tougher on covid than you are, that I have a more myopic focus on stopping all virus transmission, and I’m gonna stomp out this virus because I’m strong on covid.” And so when you have a view of public health that does not consider health, it only considers one virus, where the cure is worse than the disease, where we’ve ignited a mental health crisis — and that’s exactly what’s happening with young people.

That’s what I think is happening right now. It’s sort of like somebody at work that says, you know, “I like to come in at 7 a.m., so why don’t we meet at 7 a.m.?” And next guy says, “I’d like to come in at 6 a.m.”, and the next person is, “I like to come in at 5 a.m.” Nobody likes coming in at those hours. We’re just trying to one-up each other. Go to the doctors’ conferences that I’ve been to. I’ve been to six major, large doctors’ conferences with thousands of people, this year, no one’s wearing masks. Maybe 5, 10%. So, what does Georgetown know that doctors don’t know?

CLAY: Yeah. Thank you so much for all the work you’ve done, Dr. Makary, ’cause I know speaking out has been challenging, but I really do believe the vindication that we’re seeing every single day for what is occurring in this country, you’re a big part of why we’re getting that vindication. Thanks for all the work.

DR. MAKARY: Thanks so much, guys.

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Crist Tells DeSantis Voters He Doesn’t Want Their Votes

24 Aug 2022

BUCK: Some interesting primary election results wanted to touch on. Carolyn Maloney, who is actually my congresswoman for many, many years in New York — a Democrat; I had no choice in this matter. She just happened to represent the district I lived in. She got beat by Jerry Pants Up to His Nose Nadler, which is remarkable. I didn’t know you could get pants that high without it actually being considered like a beekeeper suit or something.

But the good news is, he is protected from the sun. And we also have Charlie Crist, the Democrat who is apparently still in politics, which has shocked everybody. And here he is saying that he loves Joe Biden and Joe Biden is a great president.

BUCK: Okay. I just want to say, that’s actually the other clip. It’s great, though. That was actually an even more important clip. The one — yeah, he says he loves Joe Biden as president, a Democrat now, whatever. Clay, here’s a politician who is straight-up saying, “If you voted for DeSantis, [bleep] you! I don’t want your vote.” That’s what he said.

CLAY: Which is a tough move when DeSantis already won as governor. So, you’re telling the people who have already voted the incumbent governor in who, by the way, think he did an incredible job overall, to not vote for you? I grabbed a little bit of data. There’s a strong case, I think, that’s gonna come out in 2022 that red got redder and blue got bluer, and we’ve been talking about this impact for some time.

The Florida Democrat governor turnout for the primary was down, actually, from 2018, despite the fact that there was a real contested primary between Nikki Fried and Charlie Crist, and DeSantis running unopposed with nothing really substantial for many Republican voters to vote for, substantially more people voted in the Republican primary than voted in the Democrat primary. So, I think DeSantis gonna win by seven or eight points. I don’t think it’s gonna be remotely close, Buck. But it is a bold move by Charlie Crist to come out on the first day that he’s gotten the nomination and say, “I don’t want your vote, you scum bugs.”

BUCK: Charlie Christ, he’s all about bold moves. Former Republican, former independent, now a Democrat, probably gonna run as a comrade-Marxist type in a few years. Who cares?

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Fauci Caught in More Lies, But We Have Receipts

24 Aug 2022

CLAY: You’re starting to see some data that what we hoped was going to be a red wave is going to be more akin to what we saw in 2020, which is a 50-50 universe. And I think that is because we saw the red wave in 2021, which swept Youngkin into office in Virginia, nearly gave us a Republican governor in New Jersey, certainly we saw Mayra Flores.

Now, you might be able to argue that Dobbs in June — and this is a probably bigger discussion we need to have — has had an impact on the overall electorate that may be more substantial than appeared initially. But my concern is Republicans are not as energized and we’re going to let Democrats get away with the worst public policy decisions of most of our lives as it pertains to covid because we’re distracted and pay attention to other issues — the Mar-a-Lago raid — and we’re not holding accountable Joe Biden for what actually he has done and the failures of the Biden administration.

BUCK: I think it’s so important, too, because there is some truth to the changing realities of what we knew about covid. And I think everyone needs to understand this ’cause it will come up a lot in the Fauci accountability discussion. When they were saying we need a million ventilators, that was wrong, but they were panicked, it was early, Trump got the Defense Production Act going, Cuomo was demanding it, right? That’s a mistake. That’s just guys, we don’t know and we’re just trying —

CLAY: You might be right. We might need a million ventilators. Let’s be smart and get them anyway.

BUCK: So, there’s a real argument there. And I want everyone to understand. There are different things. “Two weeks to slow the spread” was a mistake, but I do think you can argue that two weeks was made in good faith. But then what happened is, as this moved along, not only did we have more data, but it also became more politicized. It also became more a way of mobilizing Democrats attacking Republicans. And Fauci — and this is the important part — played directly into that. He rode that wave.

CLAY: Yes.

BUCK: Little Fauch was on his tiny surfboard as the wave was cresting of politicization. He was right there. That’s the critical distinction. Because what he’s doing is acting like, “Oh, it was just the data changed and we don’t know.” That’s not true. They knew by the summer of 2020 that masks didn’t do a damn thing. They knew that lockdowns and school closures… When I say “knew,” the data was telling them this, but they pretended otherwise because of the politics.

CLAY: That’s right.

BUCK: And that’s what Fauci needs to be held accountable for, ’cause he’s gonna talk a little about the two weeks and — no, no. We knew. They lied. The libs owe everybody an apology over this stuff.

CLAY: I hope…so, yesterday Fauci went on Fox News, and so did Rochelle Walensky. Bret Baier does a fantastic show on Fox News. I think he does a really good job of covering the news, everything else, and legitimately asking difficult questions at times. Yesterday Fauci came on his show and lied. There is no other way to say it than he went on the show, he went on Fox News, and he lied. I hope they will play many of these cuts today on Fox News to demonstrate that Fauci lied.

Okay. So, right off the top here, I want you to know what the audio we’re about to play is. This, again, Dr. Fauci yesterday on Fox News said he never advocated for lockdowns, he never advocated for shutdowns. That wasn’t his responsibility. Good work out there. The internet never forgets, as we well know, Buck. This is then interspersed during the course of this audio is Fauci advocating for lockdowns, for shutdowns, bragging for all of the things that he claimed yesterday on Fox News he never called for. Listen.

BUCK: Just so much here that we’re gonna continue to make sense of and be honest about, Clay. The shutdowns didn’t work at all, not even a little bit. There was no part of —

CLAY: Sorry. Let me just explain. That audio is the very first time where he said that. That was yesterday on Fox News. All of those others were receipts. I know you guys can’t see the video. All of those other audio clips were clearly him saying that.

BUCK: So, you heard him there saying how we… Here’s what he said on Bret Baier so everyone can hear it just by way of comparison. Here’s the lie.

BUCK: Okay. So, Clay, this is interesting because he’s going back to the “two weeks to slow the spread” argument, which he then, with the help of Dr. Birx, obliterated and turned into, “No, no, no, we have to keep going, keep going.” There was that critical moment. I have never been dragged so long; so hard on the internet, as when I said we should open fully in April of 2020 as in businesses and stuff, right?

Not like, go cough on old people and don’t worry about it, but life needs to go on. You cannot shut down the economy. This is crazy. And Fauci is just lying to everybody. The game they play is, “Oh, I didn’t make the decision; so I didn’t create the shutdown.” And the Biden administration or at that point the Trump administration was saying, “We had to trust our experts so we turned it over to them.” So, who’s responsible? Nobody’s responsible. That’s the game.

CLAY: And let me just clarify one thing to correct it. Neil Cavuto’s show, not Bret Baier’s show. So, that was Dr. Fauci yesterday on Neil Cavuto’s show claiming essentially that he had nothing to do with the shutdown because to your point, Buck, I’m not the president. I can’t order a shutdown. No, you can just advocate for it as thoroughly as you possibly can. You can leak to every media source imaginable that it needs to happen.

And you can say that our shutdowns were not even Draconian enough, which Fauci has said for a long time. This guy is such a liar that it infuriates me that he would go on television even to this day and be trying to argue against what he directly advocated for, for years, Buck. And he needs to be held accountable not only for the shutdowns and the lockdowns but for the fact that he advocated for vaccine mandates. He defended them. For the fact that he said, “Hey, if you’re in the military and you won’t get the covid shot you shouldn’t be able to be in the military anymore.”

And I want to mention this. And maybe we can do this a little bit later. But, Buck, did you see we’ve been asking the question about the boosters. They came out and said — which I think is crazy — they’re trying to roll out the boosters, and I think anyone who gets a booster basically, they’re worthless, like the covid shots themselves but for about six weeks or so, the data would reflect. Look, Buck, they are saying now, you can’t even get this booster until you go and get your initial two shots.

BUCK: That’s hilarious.

CLAY: I haven’t gotten my initial two shots. We know that doesn’t work —

BUCK: You are so many shots behind. We’re gonna be talking about how you need shots one through 15 in three years.

CLAY: We made jokes about this. But they specifically are saying, like, let’s pretend that suddenly I was like, I gotta get the covid shot. I’m not going to, but I wanted to get this booster, even though it’s also gonna be way behind ’cause it keeps evolving and you’re basically chasing a virus. But let’s presume I wanted to get the booster. I can’t. I have to go get the two shots that are two years old now and have virtually no impact before I can actually get the booster shot. I’m gonna be a pincushion.

BUCK: So, you know how we were able to early on analyze that the lib media, you know that they are in just attack Trump mode because every story that they had to retract, everything they got factually wrong, it was always on offense against Trump.

CLAY: Yeah.

BUCK: And there’s — we understand —

CLAY: He always looked bad with everything — they never got something in his favor wrong.

BUCK: Everything statistically that you could just think of would indicate that that’s tells you all you need to know, right? So, that’s one part of it. The same thing is true of Fauci but in a different way. There was never a point at which Fauci upset MSNBC-watching, triple masked wine moms, not once during the pandemic. The people who were the most freaked out, the most Draconian, authoritarian, and really thought that this was how we save lives and all that stuff, he never upset them.

He never spoke up against the excesses. So, Fauci never came out and said, “You know, maybe letting tiny children’s fingers turn blue outside eating lunch at school and masking up between sandwich bites is a little excessive.” Never. Never once. And it’s because he knew that he was playing to a constituency. The constituency was PBS watchers and listeners, CNN lovers, and Democrat, hard-left lunatics all across the country. That’s who team Fauci was. And he knew it.

CLAY: Which is funny, Buck, because remember Leana Wen at CNN who was — she was saying if you’re not vaccinated, you shouldn’t be able to leave the state, for instance, you shouldn’t be able to get on an airplane? She was one of the Fauciites of the largest magnitude. She has a piece in the Washington Post today where she argues, hey, I don’t think masking makes sense for kids anymore. My kids aren’t wearing masks.

And I read the piece, and she basically completed a 180. She’s where you and I suddenly are after having been a Fauciite. But I went into her Twitter feed, and there was just an unmitigated sense of betrayal. All these covid terrified lunatics were in her mentions saying, how could you ever come out against masks? How could you ever argue that your kids shouldn’t wear masks? It’s crazy to see. Fauci won’t do it, though.

BUCK: And to give us a full sense of the sudden transformation of Leana Wen, she was advocating for blocking people from public life —

CLAY: Yes.

BUCK: — who will not get the shot. She was a, “Sorry. No school, no movies, no restaurants, no nothing for you if you won’t get the shot.” And now she’s like, “Well, masks for kids is like really stupid and crazy.” And guess what. There are still libs out there, you know? I might have to go have another visit to Asheville so I can see all the people wearing their N95s outside in 90-degree weather and have the Asheville lib Mafia come after me again like the loons they are.

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Why Dems Never Demand Colleges and Universities Charge Less

24 Aug 2022

KUDLOW: It’s just so patently wrong. I mean, yes, it’s gonna boost spending in the economy; so, it’s undoubtedly gonna add some inflation, right? There was no Inflation Reduction Act. All this stuff is inflation expansion. So, that’s one point. But here’s a bigger point, okay? Seventy percent of the taxpayers are gonna be asked to finance the other 30%. And that 70% is middle, blue-collar working folks, right? The 30% are a lot of graduate students and people in arts and sciences. I mean, it just doesn’t make any sense whatsoever.

BUCK: Welcome back to Clay Travis & Buck Sexton Show. That was Larry Kudlow laying it down, and the Biden administration has already released the more official points here for the student loan. They call it “forgiveness.” I mean, you can say cancellation, whatever, the giveaway, the bribe. I do think you can just refer to this as a bribe. There’s a lot of this I think everyone sees as not only political, but also there’s a classism at work in this.

The Democrats still very much view themselves as — they pretend to be — the party of the working class when they want votes, but it really is the party of coastal elites. It’s the party of people who still cling to this, honestly, outdated and really fallacious notion that having a degree from a college means you’re smart. It does not actually mean you are smart. It can. It can also not. Depends. And lots of folks who never go to college are incredibly bright, do very, very well and are really happy with their life choices.

This is what we see more and more. Never mind in some cases we’re talking about advanced degrees in fields where you’re really learning nothing. I mean, it’s essentially social justice and political activist training under the guise of sociology or something like that. But so, Clay, I also think people bring up an interesting idea. Why aren’t schools on the hook for this? Here’s the problem. They remove the risk factors.

They backstop all this with the taxpayers. They mandate all this… It’s kind of like what they did with the housing market. They mandate all of these things as a function of government policy. It would be very different in a bank had to sit there and say, look. We could give you 200 grand. But we actually don’t think that the college you’re going to or this program you’re going to is a very likely payback mechanism for this loan.

So, we’re going to say “no.” The government decided, well, everyone has a right effectively to go to college, back stopped by taxpayer loans. This is crazy. You know, these schools would make very different decisions if the expectation was that the system and the marketplace would function.

CLAY: Well, you just look at the cost of higher education, Buck. And depending — I think there needs to be more of an analysis of what you’re majoring in. If you go off to school and you decide you want to be an engineer, okay, that training almost immediately can translate into a valuable degree. But if you’re going to be a social worker — and there’s nothing against social workers — but you’re only gonna make $40,000 a year for pretty much the rest of your career.

Why would you be taking out a hundred-thousand-dollar loan to take and be able to get a $40,000-a-year job or 50 or whatever it is, something where you’re not — it’s gonna take years of work for you to even equal the loans that you have taken out in terms of income? And the other thing that needs to be more discussed, Harvard has, I believe, an endowment, Buck, of, what is it, $40 billion now?

BUCK: Yep.

CLAY: I think Harvard has the largest endowment in the country. Harvard, Yale, Princeton, certainly large. University of Texas system. Why are we effectively giving $300 billion in subsidizes to these higher education institutions? Because all of these schools, to your point, a lot of people got paid. They already got compensated for the education that they gave. Why should the government come in and compensate them?

If the school itself wanted to forgive some loans and wanted to give back to the students that took them out, good for the school. But these are broken educational institutions that fundamentally don’t make sense at many of these places as they’re continuing to increase… We’re gonna have a hundred-thousand-dollar-a-year school, Buck, in what, the next five or six years —

BUCK: The other problem that the Democrats do not talk about at all, and it is because the university system is a province of leftism.

CLAY: Yes.

BUCK: I mean, the university system is a power center and is a machinery used for the benefit of the Democrat Party. We all know this. Where do we find the craziest libs? In fact, I’ve been arguing for now over 20 years that colleges are effectively the laboratories for the most lunatic leftism.

CLAY: Yes.

BUCK: That you see things on the college campus and then they make their way into the pop culture and then they make their way into the boardroom and all of a sudden, it’s like state policy. You’re like, wait a second. How did this happen? You look at so many issues. It starts on college campuses. So, it really is in many ways an essential component of the left’s power base, which is why they leave these schools alone. If you look at the cost of things in American life over the last 40 years, you know, my dad, like you, went to college on a scholarship, went to college on a ride, full ride, and then he tried… He went to business school. I think it cost, like, $1500 a semester or something. Now, I understand —

CLAY: Important to mention, yes, but some people say, “Well, it’s because of inflation.” No, no, no.

BUCK: No, no, no.

CLAY: It was actually super cheap back then as a percentage of cost, right?

BUCK: Right. What I’m gonna say is even if you were going to look at inflation — you can do this, look at inflation calculator. Okay. Maybe 1500 a semester would be more like, you know, 10 grand today, right? So, you’re looking at, like, 20 trying to understand. And this was going to, you know, a business school, an advanced degree program —

CLAY: A private business school.

BUCK: Right. Business schools now are $70,000 year, folks.

CLAY: Yeah.

BUCK: You look at the cost of college. We’re looking at advanced degrees. You look at state tuition as well. You would think state tuition should be super low. Anybody right now listening to this who has had a child who wanted to do out-of-state tuition at Michigan, UVA, University of Virginia, some of these schools are $60,000 a year.

CLAY: Yeah. And even, like, not like, Michigan and UVA.

BUCK: — schools, yeah.

CLAY: — public schools. If you want to go to the University of Alabama — no shot at the Tide — Nick Saban, highest paid, 11.7 million, there was a lot of people — I was joking yesterday with friends — you never would have thought that people from California and New York would be like, you know where I want to send my kids to finish their degree? Alabama. But that’s how popular Alabama’s gotten. Alabama is like $60,000 a year now, Buck, out of state.

BUCK: Right.

CLAY: I mean, we’re talking about craziness any out of state institution. And private schools, get outta here.

BUCK: You look at what it is now compared to the — effectively, the Boomer generation, what they were paying and what people have been looking at really for the last 20 years, the two areas of American life that have gotten just outrageously more expensive have something in common — a lot of government subsidy and market infractions and market intervention, health care, and — which should be getting cheaper all the time. It has not.

CLAY: Correct.

BUCK: If you look at it, health care has actually gotten a lot more expensive. And also, college education has gotten more — we have seen the democratization of information through the internet. This is true for everybody. I mean, I learned how to cook based on the internet. I’m not great. I’m okay. I’m not saying it’s like culinary school. But you can really teach yourself a lot.

There are entire… There’s Khan Academy. There are entire — you know, Yale and university courses where you’re watching the video, they’re giving you the reading material, you can do — somehow all that has happened and schools get more and more expensive all the time. And you saw a lot, too, with the covid lockdowns where they were saying, oh, you still have to pay full tuition —

CLAY: Oh, yeah.

BUCK: — even though you’re not even getting the experience of —

CLAY: You’re at home watching on a computer.

BUCK: So, they effectively told you, one, this is a credentialing program and that’s really what you’re paying for. Two, the credential, by the way, is much less — you know, much less of a big deal than it used to be at any of these schools, elite schools or not. And then, three, yeah, apparently if you can just watch it on your computer screen, you can learn the same stuff. That’s interesting.

CLAY: The two things that you mentioned are the most socialistic institutions in the United States right now — hospitals, like health care.

BUCK: Yep.

CLAY: You have no idea. There’s no other example of something you buy where you can’t find out what it’s gonna cost before you consume it, right? I mean it’s absolutely insane. Even for things that you know you’re gonna schedule, even nonemergency, Buck — you’ll probably go through this at some point when you have kids — I was trying to go to figure out, like, “Okay, what’s the cost gonna be? What am I gonna be paying out of pocket. Let me compare hospitals,” and everything else.

I couldn’t even… They couldn’t tell me. How can you not tell me when I’m scheduling a surgery, you know, somewhat, right? You know when you’re gonna have a baby, nine months theoretically afterwards. You can’t even figure out what it’s gonna cost. And then all these ridiculous professors on tenure who are locked in for their entire life basically get to stop working once they make tenure. It’s not a real business. It’s a joke.

BUCK: I was, like… I looked at doing a surgery on my ankle, Clay. I’ll never forget this. They sat me down. It’s a very well-known place in New York. I did not have good insurance at the time.

CLAY: Yeah.

BUCK: You know, this is pre… Actually, it was right when Obamacare came around. It was basically like Obamacare-level insurance that I had at the time. But they told me that the surgery would cost between three and $50,000. And I was like, one of these things is really expensive. The other would bankrupt me. So, I think we’re gonna have to… They’re like, “Oh, we’re probably be at the lower end of this.” I was like, what do you mean, between three and $50,000?

CLAY: Imagine if any other business was run like that? Like if you went in and you’re, like, hey, I’m thinking about buying a car, and they were like, well, we’re not sure what the car’s gonna cost, you just take one off the lot and then after you’re done, after you’ve been driving it for a few months we’re gonna send you the bill and it might be 3,000, but it might be 50,000, just go ahead and take the car.

BUCK: And what we’ve done with higher education, just to put a bow on this, everybody, is we’ve told people, “Yeah, that Toyota Corolla, we’re gonna charge you a hundred grand for it. Don’t worry because this is great. The taxpayer is on the hook for it.” That’s not a good system. No shade to the Toyota Corolla, but it’s not worth a hundred thousand dollars. Some degrees not worth what people have paid for them.

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Biden Buys Votes By Making You Pay Off Other People’s Student Loans

24 Aug 2022

BUCK: Let’s dive into this one. Biden plans to “forgive” — and will officially announce this today — $10,000 or more in federal student loan debt for tens of millions of Americans. So, this will obviously be quite an expenditure. The provision for Pell Grant recipients would push the number higher, by the way, as around seven in 10 borrowers with federal loans received a Pell Grant.

Clay, we break down the numbers here. We’ll do all of that. There’s two thoughts that I think everybody is having right now. One is this is just trying to buy votes at the last minute before the election for Democrats. It’s bribing the taxpayer, in essence, with their own money — or, rather, bribing some taxpayers at the expense of other taxpayers. Is this even legal, though? From a constitutional perspective, I mean, not that Nancy Pelosi is some kind of genius, but we’ll get to her in a moment here. She waited on this one. Why can Biden just wave a magic wand and say, “You don’t owe money anymore”?

CLAY: You can’t, and that’s what is going to be disappointing about the entirety of this coverage. First, Buck, you’re gonna see a lot of people say, “Oh, he’s canceling. Oh, he’s eliminating.”

BUCK: “Forgiveness.”

CLAY: Forgiveness.

BUCK: As just a nice thing to do.

CLAY: Yeah. You can’t do that. What he is doing is taking $300 billion of additional taxpayer responsibility. You, me, everybody out there who listens is going to take on the obligations of people who took out student loans that they aren’t going to have to repay. And there are a lot of people out there in our audience who did what I did: Took student loans out, repaid them, and now are sitting around saying, “Well, wait a minute. Why do suddenly certain segments of the population not have obligations for the loans that they took out, for the money that they accepted?

“And why are we essentially giving away $300 billion to universities which are wildly overcharging students?” So the way that this is gonna be covered — first of all, the language, pay attention to it — is fundamentally dishonest. It’s furtherance of this inability to understand basic economics in Modern Monetary Theory where money and obligations on an individual basis just don’t matter. The larger context, however, Buck, is, this is flagrantly unconstitutional.

The president, with the strike of a pen, cannot wipe out $300 billion in student loan debt for individuals and take it on to the federal government. Congress would have to pass a bill okaying this, and what the media should be doing if they were doing their jobs is saying to Joe Biden, “If this is so popular, you have majorities in the House and you have majorities in the Senate. Why not simply put this in front of Congress and have them sign off on this expenditure on behalf of the federal government that you could then sign.”

The answer is because it wouldn’t pass. Even Democrats would not stand up and pass this bill. It is a political sham. It will go to the Supreme Court. Here’s the whole layout, Buck, of how this is gonna play out. It will go to the Supreme Court. It will be struck down, much like Biden’s attempt to extend the CDC eviction moratorium. Biden will then — or whoever is running on behalf of the Democrats will then — in 2024 blame the court for striking this down and use it as evidence of the 2024 race.

So they’re gonna try the bribe in 2022. It will not work, but the bribe won’t be struck down until after the midterms. And then in the 2024 run-up, they will make promises again, “We need huge Democrat majorities because the supreme courts in an anti-democratic fashion decided to strike this down.” I just gave you the next two years of how this is gonna play out for Democrats.

BUCK: Well, hard-core right-winger Nancy Pelosi just last summer, a year ago, had this to say about debt forgiveness.

BUCK: Can I just say, we get lectures from libs all the time about our sacred democracy and undermining the Constitution. By the way, people who say those things, — democracy, undermine the Constitution — in the context of politics today have neither read nor understood the Constitution. As a basic rule. Like they have no idea what they’re doing but they’re big words that make them feel important to say. Nancy Pelosi here…

Well, that was a year ago. Last summer. She was correct, but we keep seeing this where, for example, in the Obama administration he would say, “I don’t actually have the power to do the following” and then it was, I got a pen and a phone. I’m gonna do it. Democrats will even say when it is politically expedient, “We literally do not have the constitutional authority to give the Democrat base what they want in this case.”

But then if the politics shift able to and they like really want it, Clay, you know, they really need this thing, they’re just like, “Yeah, we’re just gonna do it.” You know, they tried this with giving illegals work permits as an executive action under the Obama administration. Remember, I think it was — we looked this up a while ago — the Obama administration lost, was it 12-for-12 or 13-for-13 challenges when it came to executive overreach and abuse of executive authority? They do this stuff all the time. We know this is an abuse. We know your legal analysis on this issue is correct. They know it, Clay; they just don’t care.

CLAY: Well, the perfect example of this is Joe Biden — what was it — back in the fall, when he extended the eviction moratorium on behalf of CDC guidance, and even said…

BUCK: Perfect example. Yeah.

CLAY: We may be able to find that audio. Biden even said himself that he knew it was unconstitutional but it might buy a few months until it went back to the Supreme Court. To refresh for people out there who may have forgotten about this, the eviction moratorium went all the way to the Supreme Court. And since they had let it expire, they said it was kind of moot and they didn’t take the time to strike it down. And then the Biden administration extended it again.

It went back to the Supreme Court. And the Supreme Court said, “No, you can’t do this,” and Joe Biden was right. It did buy him — I don’t know — six or eight weeks because that case was already pending before the court. This particular move, make note of the timing. They are doing it right before Labor Day. It’s all part of their midterm plan. They a hundred billion percent know that this is not constitutional.

But they are counting on the media being complicit and also dumb and not covering this. They are counting on the fact that many young voters are not gonna be sophisticated enough to understand this. They will claim, again, that the court is striking it down, and that’s unfair. But the easy way to think about this is, you have a majority in the House; you have a majority in the Senate.

If you really believed this would pass, you would have introduced it as legislation in front of Congress. They know it’s a bad look if they do this. But this is somehow if you fell Joe Biden’s promise. That I say left-wing fevered dream. It would add inflationary pressure, it’s unconstitutional, and it will be struck down but not until after the midterms.

BUCK: And also, I think it’s offensive to a lot of people — I mean, tens of millions of Americans. I sat in and admitted students, MBA. They get a business degree, finance, who was essentially like, “Hey, everybody. If you decide to come here…” It was for people that had gotten in. “If you decide to come here,” ’cause a lot of folks were still choosing, “this is what the payback scheme will look like.”

CLAY: Yes.

BUCK: And, look, I had come out of the government. I had no money, okay?

CLAY: Yeah.

BUCK: I had, you know, a couple thousand dollars saved at this point in my life. I had no money. Business school cost $70,000 a year, give tore or take, plus living expenses. So they basically said, “You’re gonna take out $150,000 worth of loan for his two years of school,” and by the time you pay it off it will be over $300,000 you will have paid. And I was like, “I think I’m gonna get a job instead.” You know, I walked away from it.

CLAY: I went to George Washington because they gave me a scholarship. And there are a lot of people out there listening to us right now who, one, may not have continued, like you just said, your higher education, because of the costs, because of the loan requirements, or people who said, “Hey, I might have gotten into this better school but the cost is I’m gonna go to this school that’s closer to home because I don’t want to take out loans.”

BUCK: There was super common. I went to a scholarship high school; so, everybody was on a full ride. And there were kids who got — tons of them, they’d get into Georgetown or Holy Cross. Both great schools, but people think of Georgetown as maybe a little —

CLAY: You went a Jesuit school —

BUCK: A Jesuit school is a little more elite —

CLAY: — is a little more academic.

BUCK: — but if Holy Cross gave more money, they went to Holy Cross, right?

CLAY: Right.

BUCK: People are making decisions based on finances, trying to be responsible all the time. And we’re talking about choices within education. A lot of people listening this graduated high school, like, “You know what? I’m gonna learn to be a welder and I’m gonna learn to start making money right away and within five to 10 years I’m gonna be making 90 grand, you know, with no debt.” You know what I mean.

CLAY: Parents, Buck — I mean, a lot of parents out there — when they have their first kids or they their second kids they set up college funds so their kids don’t have to take out loans. Well, what about all the parents out there and the kids who got jobs to avoid having to take out loans? This is an awful look. And that doesn’t even consider that the vast majority of people with substantial loans are going on to grad school, which means — your point — all the plumbers and truck drivers and people who said, “You know what?

“I’m gonna learn a trade and go straight to work at 18 are subsidizing people who took out loans for jobs,” and we need to have a big discussion about this in general. Some of these people, Buck, are taking out… You mentioned at least you were considering going to business school. I went to law school. The salaries typically for people who come out of those advanced educational degrees are substantial.

Buck, there’s people taking out hundreds of thousands of dollars in student loans for a grad degree they’re gonna make $40,000 on when they go and start working. And they don’t understand the basic math, but how are some of these universities…? It feels to me like many of these universities are intentionally leading kids into making awful choices without any understanding of economics at all.

BUCK: Clay, people pay money to go get an advanced degree in journalism.

CLAY: Yeah.

BUCK: You and I work in this field of media. No journalism training, folks! Journalism school, for an example, which this audience already knows, is such a waste of time that I know journalism school professors — professors — who if they’re actually friends with somebody or their family, they’re like, “Oh, no! You don’t want to go to journalism school.” (laughing)

CLAY: Just go get a job. It’s not… Journalism is not that complicated, right? You’re not operating on brains here. You’re not filing Supreme Court briefs. There is very little that you can’t learn by working at a newspaper as it pertains to journalism. But this is a big discussion, and it is testament to how much of a lie is embedded in our media that almost no one will have the conversation that we just did discussing this story at all.

BUCK: I want to hear from some folks in the audience who made the decision to not take out loans and if they’re really happy with that decision, how it worked out. I think that’d be interesting ’cause I’m sure we have so many people that started a business, learned a trade, got a new career field — and maybe they went back to finish undergrad or grad school later on.

But they looked at the cost, they looked at the price tag, and said, “No,” and so now the Biden administration saying… By the way, does anyone think it’s gonna stop with 10 grand if they get away with this? That’s the other part of this too. Of course, it’s gonna get bigger and bigger. Ten grand is just the beginning. This is the thin wedge of the edge.

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CLAY: A lot of you reacting to the student loan forgiveness by saying, “Wait a minute. What if I paid off my loans? What if I chose to not take out the loans in the first place?” There’s a great viral video that some of you may or may not have heard. I believe this is from — let me look at the exact date ’cause I want to get it right — January of 2020, when Elizabeth was on the campaign trail in Iowa.

This is presumably before everyone told Elizabeth Warren that “if she had a penis, they would have voted for her,” as one of the most memorable quotes in Elizabeth’s not-so-storied history goes now. But listen to this father who confronted Elizabeth Warren about her plan to forgive student loans.

BUCK: A debt is never forgiven, Clay, which this guy knows. It is transferred from one to another entity. The money has already been spent. So it’s just are the taxpayers footing the bill or is the person that actually got the benefit — in this case, the worthless degree or not-so-valuable degree, depending.

CLAY: And it’s a perfect example of a parent who sacrificed to put through his daughter, I believe he said, without her having to deal with loans, while other parents, they decided to spend that money and have their kids take loans out. Why are you punishing people who were good stewards of their financial relationships by forgiving loans that they never took out because they worked hard enough to take out a second job, because maybe their kids went to a school that was cheaper than one that they otherwise would have gone to. And now the government comes in and tries to subsidize this? Again, that confrontation between the voter in Iowa and Elizabeth Warren goes to the essence of why this is not being put in front of Congress. Because it’s wildly unpopular.

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24 Aug 2022

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  • Federalist: Studies Show Biden’s Illegal Student Debt Scheme Is Welfare For The Rich
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  • ZeroHedge: The Numbers Don’t Lie; The Fed Won’t Win This Inflation Fight

  • ZeroHedge: “Tsunami Of Shutoffs”: 20 Million US Homes Are Behind On Power Bills
  • Daily Caller: Biden Admin Moves To Fund Canadian Mines While Blocking US Mining Efforts
  • UK Daily Mail: IRS says workers are concerned for their safety and is conducting a security review in response to Republican criticism over the $80billion in funds being used to recruit more agents

  • FOXNews: CNN, MSNBC raise eyebrows using disgraced FBI agent Peter Strzok as expert on Mar-a-Lago raid. Strzok was fired in 2018 for sending anti-Trump texts while overseeing critical investigations
  • New York Post: What did Biden ‘really’ know about the drive to raid Mar-a-Lago?
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  • HotAir: Gulp: Does a special-election loss in NY mean the end of the red wave?

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  • Sensible Medicine: Before We Push the New Omicron Vaccine, Let’s See The Data. The White House is pushing Americans hard to take a novel Covid vaccine before the studies are complete – Dr. Marty Makary

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    Clay Questions Joe Biden’s Decision to Cancel Student Loan Debt

    24 Aug 2022

    Clay appeared on Fox & Friends to discuss President Biden’s push to buy some votes among young people by forcing other citizens to pay for their student loans.

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    Clay’s 5-Star Podcast Review Challenge

    23 Aug 2022

    CLAY: Dub informs me that we actually have 9,300 ratings reviews on the Apple iTunes podcast. So here’s a challenge for you. Here’s a challenge. I don’t know how quickly the ratings go up. But by tomorrow or the next day — maybe it takes 48 hours; I don’t know — I want at least 700 of you listening to me right now to go give us 5 stars so that I can update you tomorrow and say we’ve officially got over 10,000 ratings. I feel like that’s probably possible.

    Now, it may be 24 or 48 hours for this to actually take place, but there are millions of you listening right now to the program, some of you watching on YouTube — hi, I just waved at you; I hope you enjoy the wave — I would like for us to go over 10,000 on the total reviews. And if you give us 5-stars, and it’s funny, ’cause you can click the 5-star without having to write anything at all on iTunes.

    Over 700 of you, I’m asking you to do that right now. Give us 5 stars, and if you write a funny one, I will sign — and, look, if Dub comes back and he’s like, “Clay, gotta be honest with you: There are a hundred funny reviews that went up,” I’ll sign a hundred books. Might not even name very many of you.

    But if Dub says, “Hey, there’s a bunch of funny ones,” then I will come out and I’ll go ahead and sign the book and Dub will be in charge of getting them shipped. I hate having to ship things. It is infuriating to have to go try to get anything shipped. I’ve shipped a lot of books over the years.

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    Berenson Has Questions for Fauci, Battles New Twitter Threats

    23 Aug 2022

    CLAY: We bring in now Alex Berenson. For those of you just listening right now, Buck is out. He is preparing for his wedding. Alex, how old were you when you got married?

    BERENSON: I was 36.

    CLAY: All right. So, did anything stun you about the wedding apparatus and all the details involved? I don’t know what kind of wedding you had.

    BERENSON: Uh, did anything stun me about the wedding apparatus? It wasn’t a super huge wedding. I mean, everything is more expensive than it’s gonna be. My wife, fortunately, was not a Bridezilla type in any way. No, you know, ’cause I was kind of old, and I’d seen other people get married. So, I wish I had a good story for you, but I don’t.

    CLAY: Yeah, Ali just told me off air, our producer, she’s been a bridesmaid 15 times. So, I think I’ve been in weddings about 10 times. So, that is a big undertaking. All right, Alex. Let’s dive right into a couple things. One, I saw a New York Times story, and I was laughing about it, on Sunday. And it was: Why isn’t anybody getting the covid shot for their kids? I don’t know if you saw that article.

    BERENSON: I did. I did.

    CLAY: And essentially, I’m summing it up by saying, “Only, 5% of parents of 6-month-olds to 5-year-olds and only like 30% of 5- to 11-year-olds…” I’m sure you have the data.

    BERENSON: Yes.

    CLAY: — parents are overwhelmingly rejecting the covid shot. And the New York Times is like, how in the world is this happening? Which to me is indicative of how out of touch all of those people at the New York Times are. But to me the lesson here is quite clear. Parents with the thing that they value most, which is their children’s health, are choosing not to get them the covid shot, which is as large of an indictment of the covid shot as could possibly exist.

    BERENSON: Yeah, I couldn’t agree more. You know, I wrote a Substack about that article a few days ago on my Stack because I thought, you know, it’s so striking. You see some of these public health people — some of them who are sort of somewhat more honest or somewhat more reality based — acknowledging this fact. But they won’t admit what it really means. So, you know, the piece started…

    There’s a line in there, “Oh, you know, possibly there’s been some miscommunication from, you know, public health advocates about the shot,” when what they should be admitting is that, you know, basically this is a complete rejection of them, and it’s — you know, as you say — the most powerful evidence we could have that everybody knows that the shot, you know, just doesn’t work at all. And, you know, people may not be willing to admit that publicly, but if they thought it worked, wouldn’t they get it for their kids?

    CLAY: Are you surprised that the New York Times has not covered any of…? Let’s dive into some of the specifics of your situation now. You essentially have the receipts to prove that the Biden White House and their top covid advisers were trying to get you banned on Twitter for what you were saying and sharing there. You published those receipts. They’re easily reviewable.

    I believe the Wall Street Journal covered it. The New York Times didn’t. If the Washington Post did, I haven’t seen it. I haven’t seen it on CNN. I haven’t seen it on MSNBC. But, in particular, you worked at the Times for a long time. Are you surprised that the Times has not covered what you have proven was going on between Twitter and the United States government?

    BERENSON: I’m a little surprised, frankly, at this point. You know, and I stacked about this yesterday too. I mean, you’re… It’s funny, like, we’re talking about all this stuff. It’s feen top of mind for me and I’ve been writing about it. So look. You know, I sue Twitter. Everyone says I’m gonna lose. You know, nobody who’s filed a ban lawsuit — or lawsuit over a ban — none of those suits have gone anywhere, this guy is just wasting, you know, his time and your money.

    He’s gonna embarrass himself. Okay. Fine. In April, the judge, who was a good judge, not a — you know, not a super-hard right winger. He is actually a Clinton appointee, but he looked at the facts. He said there’s a real lawsuit here. This can move forward. Okay. Nobody writes about that. There was one story on Politico about that. Okay. I sort of expected that. It wasn’t —

    CLAY: We wrote about it at OutKick, by the way, and we’re getting pretty big, but yes.

    BERENSON: There you go. You wrote about it.

    CLAY: We gave you respect. We talked about it certainly on this show. But, yes, you’re right. There were hardly any articles written about it.

    BERENSON: Hardly any articles. Then I get back on. Okay, that’s kind of a big deal in that —

    CLAY: Yep.

    BERENSON: — nobody who’d filed a lawsuit had ever been able to get back on before. So Twitter settles with me; I get back on, and they make a statement saying that be I shouldn’t have been thrown off.

    CLAY: Yep.

    BERENSON: Which my lawyer, frankly, thought… He’s more naive. He’s a really good guy. He’s more naive about the press than I am. He said, “They’re definitely gonna have to write about that and the statement,” and I said, “James, we’ll see.” Okay, that was last month. Fine. Now, though? Now this has gone beyond me versus Twitter, okay? It’s gone beyond me being on or not on Twitter. It’s about whether or not the First Amendment matters to the Biden administration.

    And what you’re seeing is that it doesn’t. They had a narrative about the vaccines; they wanted everybody to be vaccinated. Now, we can argue about whether that’s good public policy or not. I obviously don’t think it is. You know, you don’t think it is. Other people think it really is. It doesn’t matter. We, as Americans, have to have the right to talk about and debate that — and we do have that right.

    And Twitter may be a private company, but when the Biden administration starts leaning on them to get me thrown off, that is state action. And that’s what happens, okay? I’ve already shown that much, and I’m gonna show more, okay? This is not over by a long shot. And I told people, “I’m going to sue the government.” Okay. Now, you can say, “Well, I didn’t file yet.” But you know what? I said I was gonna sue Twitter.

    And I sued Twitter. I said I’m gonna sue the government. I’m gonna sue the government. This is worthy of press attention. And I’m not saying it because it’s me. If this were somebody else, I would say that. Objectively this is now a big story. The Times, it’s too embarrassing for them, both because it’s about the Biden administration and because it raises questions about the vaccines. So these places won’t cover it. But you know what? It’s bad for them, and it’s bad for their readers when they become this openly ideological.

    CLAY: Dr. Fauci announced he was retiring. You, me, Buck, we all predicted that that would happen before the midterms to try to lessen some of the pressure that he’s under when Republicans have more control of Congress and can push him on the origins of the virus, the NIH’s taxpayer dollars and how much that was involved, did Fauci cover up many of the details surrounding all of those things.

    And you certainly have covered this to a great degree. What is Fauci’s legacy like 10 years from now, 20 years from now? Fauci’s 81. You know, 20 years he’d be over a hundred. The likelihood of him still being around is low. You know as well as I do that history often takes a long time to render accurate verdicts, and sometimes — frequently, even — those verdicts don’t come down until the people who are involved are long since passed. What is Fauci’s legacy as we come into the future, 20 years from now, ten years from now? When does the full truth come out, and what is history’s verdict of Dr. Anthony Fauci?

    BERENSON: You know, that’s a great question. I think you sort of explained why it’s a hard question to answer right now. Let me throw one thing in, Clay, which is did you notice he’s such an egomaniac, he’s hanging on for as long as possible? So he said he’s resigning but he’s not actually resigning until, like, two days before the Republicans get control of Congress? He was even floating this balloon a couple months ago that he was gonna try to hang on through the whole Biden administration, but he’s clearly realized that’s impassable.

    But, so, here’s what I think. Let’s give Fauci some credit, okay? I am not in the camp that says he made — you know, he killed tons of people with HIV. Okay? He may have made some mistakes, but HIV was very complicated, and if you… You know, if you believed that the gay-advocacy groups in the eighties and the nineties, you know, were fighting for gay men with HIV, those groups came around to be big supporters of his. So to me that suggests that, you know, ultimately he…

    You know, he did some good. He made some good decisions about HIV. He didn’t… You know, he didn’t find any of the medicines, but he helped lead the fight. Let’s give him some credit for that. I’m not — again, I’m not — RFK Jr. I don’t believe that, you know, that there was some miracle cure for AIDS in 1985 that Anthony Fauci sat on. That’s not what happened. But now we talk about covid, it’s much, much more complicated, right?

    And there’s three things we need to know: How connected was he with the people in China while doing the research that probably, you know, led to the creation or modification of covid-19? We don’t know that yet, and he’s done everything possible to hide that. Why didn’t he do more — or why didn’t he consider more than just covid when he was talking about lockdowns? Why didn’t he think about the whole country and not just covid, not just people who were at high risk from covid?

    Why didn’t he think about school kids? Why didn’t he think about, you know, the business owners? Why didn’t he think about people who had problems with addiction who couldn’t go to a recovery meeting because they were locked down in March and April of 2020? Why didn’t he think about all those things? And, you know, we don’t have that answer, either, right now. And then the third issue — the third issue — is, what did he know about the vaccines, right?

    Why didn’t he…? Why wasn’t he more cautious? Okay. Even if the vaccines had proven to be the greatest medical invention in history of science, which they clearly aren’t, rolling them out to everyone in the world after a couple of months of testing was a very risky strategy. And what clearly should have happened is there should have been a phased rollout where the people who were at the most risk from covid were offered these. I’m talking about people 70 and over, 75 and older.

    CLAY: Which is what Florida did, Ron DeSantis did?

    BERENSON: Well, yes, and, I mean, but nobody really did it properly. Right?

    CLAY: Yeah.

    BERENSON: Nobody really did that. And then once it became clear that they weren’t gonna work for very long, which was clear by a year ago, right? We — you and I and Buck — were talking about this stuff in the summer of 2021. Why the push for boosters? Why the push for mandates? And what role did Tony Fauci play in all of those decisions? And right now, we just don’t have those answers. So I would say…

    I would say we’re gonna have to wait. You know, look, the good… Here’s what’s good about Tony Fauci. He definitely helped — helped — solve the AIDS crisis. He did. Here’s what’s bad about him. He’s a megalomaniac. Okay? He’s a megalomaniac. He’s not very good at dealing with dissent, and he doesn’t seem to be doing very good in the last couple of years at processing sort of information as it came in and realize that there was a lot of complexity here.

    But the three things that I outline — the question of the lab leaks and what role he played; the question of what happened in 2020, you know, as he was pushing for lockdowns and why he pushed so hard, didn’t consider, you know, sort of a less aggressive strategy; and then, most importantly of all, the vaccines and why we insisted on essentially forcing these on a billion people and what the long-run effects are gonna be — we don’t have the answers yet.

    CLAY: We’re talking to Alex Berenson. Last question for you, Alex. You mentioned your Substack, and I’d encourage everybody to go check it out. Type in Alex Berenson on Google. I think it still shows up if you put the Substack in. You now have not only receipts from inside the Biden administration proving that they were trying to censor you for what you were posting on Twitter.

    You’ve also now got media — members of the media — including a guy who’s at CNN and is ostensibly a big supporter of the First Amendment, Oliver Darcy, where he’s asking Twitter directly, why are you being promoted, given that you’re a, quote, “anti-vaxxer,” I think, if I saw it in the email correctly?

    BERENSON: Yep. Yep.

    CLAY: How many media members do you expect to end up in this sort of entanglement, and did it surprise you that these media members were also advocating for your silencing?

    BERENSON: It surprised me a little bit that people were going directly to Twitter and trying to, you know, hurt me. It’s one thing to debate me on Twitter or elsewhere. But, you know, first of all, these people won’t have me on their shows and, you know, I can’t get on CNN, you know, to save my life or MSNBC — and I’d go on, okay? I’d go on if it’s live. Ask me any question. I’ll do any of that.

    CLAY: Yeah.

    BERENSON: And if you want to debate me on Twitter, a lot of them won’t do that either anymore. They’re afraid because they know in the end, you know, I know the data and the science better than they do. But for you to try to essentially cut my livelihood by going secretly to Twitter and, you know, and essentially encouraging them, whatever the language specifically is, to ban me, that’s wrong, I think.

    And look. I don’t expect anybody… I don’t expect Oliver Darcy or anybody or anybody else I write about to pay any price for it, but I think it’s important to have it out there. And I think it’s important that people understand, you know, this lawsuit against Twitter that, you know, I’ve now settled. Like, I said I was gonna get discovery, and I got discovery. And I’m gonna keep publishing stuff.

    CLAY: Alex, I look forward to that lawsuit. Please let me know when it is filed.

    BERENSON: (laughing)

    CLAY: I guarantee you that we will write about it at OutKick even if many other places will not, and we certainly will talk about it on Clay and Buck and have you on. Thanks, my man.

    BERENSON: Always a pleasure, sir.

    CLAY: That is Alex Berenson.

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