Uvalde Police Chief Who Didn’t Act Removed from Office

25 Aug 2022

BUCK: We had news that broke yesterday that we wanted to get to about the police chief in Uvalde, Texas — now former police chief Pete Arredondo — he was unanimously voted out by the board, and so he is no longer the police chief. He has been kicked out of this. Now, this was obviously a really tough period for the country. It is as horrific as any shooting could be, and unfortunately reminded us of some of the worst days of this country’s past where there had been similar school shootings like this.

So, this does happen. Statistically, the school shootings are more rare than the media would tend to have you believe, but it’s still a gut punch to the country and obviously a deeply destructive and heinous thing that an entire community, now Uvalde, has had try to heal from and cope with. Clay, we always are fair to law enforcement on this show. We are pro-law enforcement. I was just speaking to my uncle, actually, last night. He is retired LAPD.

And we want cops to be respected for the very important jobs that they do. I don’t think we second-guess or try to Monday morning quarterback law enforcement. But there are limits, right? There are times when you have to actually call it out. The failure of law enforcement at the Uvalde school shooting is, unfortunately, going to go down as something that I believe now decades of law enforcement we’ll be learning from as a “This is a disastrous response. Do not do this.”

Now, we learned something along those lines from the school shooting at Columbine, and there was something of a Columbine doctrine for law enforcement, which is, “If the guns are firing, you have to run to the sound of the gunfire and stop the threat.” We never got a really explanation as to what happened with Chief Arredondo. The fact that there was gunfire, there were kids who were calling from inside the classroom while the guns were still going off, and they were holding back parents — including a parent who was a police officer who wanted to go in and do something.

It’s really unbelievable, honestly, the failure of law enforcement on the scene there. Chief Arredondo being removed from his job is good, but I think there are other officers that shouldn’t be cops anymore who were on the scene as well. I think that there’s gonna have to be a really honest review. Did nobody in that hallway say, “Why are we holding for an hour? There’s gunfire.” Clay, I think it’s a reminder to everybody that the state will try to protect you, but ultimately the state will often fail; and so we all have to be as cognizant of our safety as possible. When it comes to children, it is on us adults to protect them.

CLAY: You can support police and also admit when police get something wrong. We are all imperfect, no matter what profession we have and what profession we support, what we do every day for a living. I’ve said on this show — and I know you’ve echoed it as well — if you are a police officer, the number one reason, in my opinion, you should be a police officer is to protect the innocent from the evil. That’s exactly what happened in Texas, and those police officers who weren’t willing to put their lives on the line don’t deserve to be police officers anymore, in my opinion, based on their behavior in that situation. I believe we have audio from the Uvalde school board of a kid speaking.

BUCK: Of a child speaking.

CLAY: And I want to play this because I think it’s particularly emblematic of what we’re saying. And I know there are a lot of police officers out there all over the country who took the lesson from Columbine, Buck, which is, “You go until you can’t go anymore,” because many of them called in and said, “That’s specifically how we were trained,” and for all those police who lined up in the hallway and did nothing, this is gonna be crushing. But for all those police out there who might find themselves in a situation like this at some point in the future, I want you to listen to this kid from Uvalde.

BUCK: She survived the shooting and was in the classroom.

CLAY: Yeah.

“I have messages for Pete Arredondo and all the law enforcement that were there that day,” 10-year-old Caitlyne Gonzalez said into the microphone. “Turn in your badge and step down. You don’t deserve to wear one.” https://t.co/iTS4E3Z7YW pic.twitter.com/1EE7ML2LdE

— Austin Statesman (@statesman) August 25, 2022

BUCK: You could kind of hear the student said, effectively, “Turn in your badge and step down. You don’t deserve to wear one.” I honestly look back… We have video, right? There’s very clear, real-time information that was gathered about what was happening in that hallway and in that school. And look, we came out and said… I will say, I come across this on the right. There are people for whom any criticism of law enforcement, there’s a reflective defense.

CLAY: Yeah.

BUCK: There was a little bit of this I heard on Fox as well even after we saw some of this. It was like, “You can’t criticize them, unless you’ve worn the uniform.” No, actually we can, and in this case, we need to because this was as catastrophic a failure of law enforcement as you can imagine under the circumstances.

And I think that there will be a lot of additional training and everything else. But what it really comes down to, Clay, is if someone is entrusted with that mission of protecting all of us but particularly in this case protecting children, if you’re not willing to run toward the sound of gunfire, you should not be carrying a gun in public safety and law enforcement. That’s just the bottom line.

CLAY: Amen. And criticism isn’t the same thing as disrespect. I think you’re right, Buck, about there’s an element out there that sees any criticism as, “Oh, you’re being disrespectful. You can’t have that opinion.” No, no, no, no. All of us are certainly not above criticism no matter what we do, and just because your profession is a police officer does not mean that you are perfect and above criticism.

In fact, criticism is how most of us get better, at anything. I mean, take it outside of the world of police. Most of coaching kids is criticism. Right? Most of teaching kids, much of it, is criticism. “No, you did that wrong. You should have done it this way.” The people who are most disgusted that I hear from about the response of those police officers in Texas are other police officers because they just look at it and say:

How could they have failed on such a complete level with the most serious thing that could ever happen? This is why you become a police officer is to go kick in a door and shoot a bad guy who’s trying to kill kids. If that’s isn’t your ultimate, “This is the reason why I’m a police officer” and you’re not willing to put your life on the line there, you’re not willing to put your life on the line ever and you shouldn’t be a police officer.

BUCK: And there was also, in the early stages of this, as we were analyzing this — and I think we were very fair at the different stages. It was, “Okay. Let’s see the video. Let’s get the timeline straight.” But you remember, there was some stuff going on with the timeline they officially gave that didn’t make sense. The stories weren’t lining up. You could tell that they were hiding something, there was some degree of internal panic early on —

CLAY: Yes.

BUCK: — cause this is not a difficult thing within 48 hours to get an accurate timeline of a law enforcement response. How long were you there? When did people arrive? So there was obviously a bureaucratic CYA effort going on. And then when the video came out, I mean, then it was just devastating. And I know that some, folks, are saying, “Oh, but, Buck, this is because the defund police movement makes cops now unwilling to take certain risks or do certain things.”

To that I just say, “Not only do you have to be willing to run toward the sound of gunfire, if you have children in a classroom that are being murdered by a psychopath, you have to be willing to get fired from your job to save them too.” That’s another component of this. It’s anything to save those kids. And I know we have 99% of law enforcement professionals listening to the show right now say, “Of course. I’m going in this first thing.” But in this case, it didn’t happen.

CLAY: Well, they had 911 calls coming from teachers and students inside of these classrooms. And, Buck, the detail I think that’s finally come out is the door wasn’t even locked.

BUCK: Yep. They didn’t even try.

CLAY: So initially they were, like, “Oh, we were trying to find a janitor. We couldn’t find the keys,” and you and I were asking the question, “Are there windows?” Like, there’s more than one way to get into a classroom, most of the time.

BUCK: Yeah. They make it sound like that there was like a super max prison where they couldn’t get into some part of the facility. This is an elementary school! The whole story didn’t line up. I think they realized what a disaster it was from a response perspective, never mind the horrific tragedy that we all know unfolded because of the mass-murdering lunatic. But, yeah. So Arredondo is gone, and there may be some others. We’ll follow up with whether there’s some disciplinary measures against some of the other officers in that hallway.

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25 Aug 2022

BUCK: There was some good news — we didn’t talk about it early this week, but in the Florida races, Clay, there was some DeSantis-backed school board members who did very well, which was interesting. I think we need to start thinking about how to get back to what caused that moment of panic for Democrats in the off-year election that occurred where Glenn Youngkin became the governor of Virginia, where they almost lost the governor’s mansion in New Jersey. People forget this. Democrats came shockingly close to losing to a Republican in the state of New Jersey.

Schools and who’s in charge of educating your children, what they’re doing to your kids, not just with covid, but with the indoctrination and the trans agenda, that was all so important. I think there’s been a little bit of a… People have lost this focus a little bit, we’re trying to make the message stick right now. Yeah, inflation, okay, but the problem with inflation, Clay, is I think that people start to get… “They almost price it into their thinking, you know, when it starts ramping up, everyone goes, “Oh, my gosh.”

But then their motivation from inflation to vote out the party that caused it might not be quite as high. And it’s all about timing. Van Jones, who as I’ve said before here, is an astute Democrat. He understands where the Democrat Party is. He’s starting to sound like he thinks things are looking really good for Team Democrat. I want to address this with you, Clay.

VIDEO – Van Jones: We’ve Had a Season of Shame, It Feels Good Now that Biden Is Winning https://t.co/oEASC0oMi0

— Grabien (@GrabienMedia) August 25, 2022

BUCK: So, he’s right about they’re not, based on the polls right now.

CLAY: Yeah.

BUCK: But of course, all that matters is Election Day and the actual scoreboard when we see this go down. I do think that Republicans need to go on offense more and also speak more about what the agenda is, and that brings me to schools, it brings me to the economy. There are a number of areas where it’s not just enough to say Biden is a senile buffoon because, yes, we know. But obviously that’s not pushing the numbers enough right now in the right direction. There’s gotta be a redoubling of the effort.

CLAY: Yeah. And look. So, this is gonna be controversial to some people. But I think that Dobbs is having an impact for Democrats. And there’s a good editorial in the Wall Street Journal talking about this. There’s a Republicans are like the dog that caught the car. For so long the talking point was “We’ve gotta overturn Roe v. Wade, we’ve gotta overturn Roe v. Wade,” and I think a lot of people don’t understand now what has happened now that Roe v. Wade’s been overturned.

And I want to play this audio ’cause it ties in with something that happened in New York, Buck, where basically we had a congressional election, and it was almost entirely decided, in New York, where nothing is changing, right? If anything, abortions are even more available going forward in New York. But Pat Ryan won New York 19, which was a Biden plus one and a half district that Republicans felt really good about flipping by entirely arguing about abortion.

That was basically his entire campaign. And he won 51 to 49, basically. Listen to cut 20. I want you all out there… A lot of people who work in politics listen to this show. I think this is going to become the primary talking point — I really do — of Democrats to try to distract from inflation, the border, the murder rate, all the disasters. Listen to cut 20, Buck, that was effective in a toss-up district in New York.

RYAN: We won because this is a referendum on freedom. You know, the abortion issue and the attack on women’s reproductive rights is representative of this broader, multifront thrust by increasingly extreme Republican Party to rip away fundamental rights and freedoms. And when that happens in our country, Americans of all parties stand up like we saw in Kansas and we saw last night here in New York. And I think that momentum is certainly gonna be build and carry forward.

BUCK: Well, I gotta say, the outcome here in New York is not what you’re going to see. I don’t think it’s gonna be the primary issue the same way, even assuming his analysis here is correct, Clay. Georgia Senate race is not gonna be concerned based upon abortion. The Pennsylvania Senate race is not gonna be determined based on abortion. It’s also fascinating to hear somebody in New York where, as you pointed out, there’s really no change in the status, talk about an assault on freedom. This is a Supreme Court decision.

The Republican Party didn’t just pass a law. The Supreme Court said, “Your make-believe constitutional right goes away.” Now, at the state level, you get to determine what it is that abortion actually means as a legal matter, where it will be legal, what stages it will be legal. I think Democrats very much want to believe this. I think the Democrat base wants to believe this. As we get closer to the election… So they will come out, for sure. So —

CLAY: That’s the argument they’re gonna make.

BUCK: There’s going to be Democrat base turnout boost from this. But I don’t think that if you look at the polling for independents and persuadables in the key states that are up right now, I don’t think it’s gonna be the deciding factor or even close to the deciding factor.

CLAY: I hope that’s right ’cause I’ve seen always felt, like, the single-issue vote on abortion, to me, has never been something where I think you should make every decision based on that, right? My personal opinion. This year should be a referendum on covid. It should be a referendum on Biden’s incompetence basically everywhere. But what you just heard I think is important.

And I think that Republicans have to figure out what the message is going to be, because a lot of people are confused. There’s a lot of fear. There’s a lot of uncertainty in the wake of this decision. And so, my argument would be, look. Most Republicans should focus on nine-month abortions. And that’s what Blake Masters is doing right now.

You sent me the video, like, kind of trying to lay it out because the extreme position, to me, the vast majority of Americans believe that third-term abortions should not be legal, and they simultaneously believe — and again, I understand this a complex issue and a lot of people have a variety of opinions — that rape, incest, all of those should be exceptions, right, and that there should be a line somewhere, somewhere in the first trimester where this occurs, right?

Now, I understand this is a complex issue. But really there’s, like, 10% of people who say there should be no abortions allowed at all, and there’s about 10% of people that say, abortion should be legal all the way, basically, up to birth and even beyond.

BUCK: The difference is the Democrat Party’s official platform —

CLAY: That’s right.

BUCK: — is what you just laid out.

CLAY: That’s right.

BUCK: That is the official Democrat line.

CLAY: That is the perspective.

BUCK: And the Republican Party you can have people who say, “Here’s what I think are exceptions or no exceptions.” There’s actually variability among the GOP.

CLAY: Yes.

BUCK: True conservatives are — or rather, the conservative base is — pro-life; so, they’re overwhelmingly going to be in favor of no abortion or the absolute bare minimum restrictions on abortion. Democrat Party, it’s all nine months.

CLAY: That’s right.

BUCK: Anyone who says, “Oh, that’s not true,” it’s a matter of law. Look at what they just passed in Colorado: All nine months, no restriction whatsoever for any reason whatsoever.

CLAY: They didn’t vote on Roe v. Wade being codified as law. They voted in the Senate on the idea of abortion being permissible up to the ninth month, and I know it’s an uncomfortable conversation.

BUCK: Yeah, but we gotta have it, Clay, right? The Republicans have gotta have it. They gotta go on offense here. They gotta say, “Look, I’m sorry, folks. The Democrat Party is in favor of murder. Full stop. They’re in favor of legalized murder. That is the reality, scientific, moral, and ethical that we face right now,” instead of, you know, I don’t know what the opponent was saying in this New York 19th district.

But a lot of, “Oh, inflation, oh, inflation.” Yeah, okay, we know about the inflation. But, you know, the other problem is, Clay, that a lot of the inflation was spent under Trump. I hate to be the one that points this out, but they are actually making that case too. $6 trillion.

CLAY: Yeah. Well, look. And I think your point on inflation is well taken. At some point it just sets in and it’s the reality. And I do think that the price of gas coming down has, to some people, when you were paying $5 and now, you’re paying, whatever it is, 3.75 a gallon, like, it’s still super high. But it’s not as high as it was. And it’s continued to come back down. And so, in your head, as you are spending, the number one place where people notice inflation, Buck, is the gas tank, right?

When you’re filling up and it’s over a hundred dollars and that time, every time you drive by a gas station the price goes up, everybody notices it, even though inflation is still at 40-year highs, psychologically the fact that gas prices has come back I think has worked that Biden’s favor. But I think that abortion angle, that’s gonna be the attack. And for everybody out there who’s listening to us right now and is working on a congressional campaign or working on a Senate campaign or working on a governor’s campaign, you need to drill down with your candidate and figure out what your position is and make it.

And I think, Buck, yours, which is one we’ve argued here is, the Democrat position on abortion used to be safe, legal, and rare. Like, in the nineties, that’s what they would argue. That’s what Joe Biden argued for much of his career. Now it’s, you should be able to have an abortion in the ninth month of pregnancy and even be proud of it —

BUCK: The Democrat Party is open — and I mean they say this; it is true — they are openly pro infanticide.

CLAY: Yeah.

BUCK: That is the reality of the Democrat Party today. It’s a harsh thing for people to hear. It is true. Otherwise explain the Colorado law. They won’t explain it. Notice the way this guy, Pat Ryan, just got elected in New York, said this was a referendum on freedom.

CLAY: Yeah.

BUCK: Oh, really? It’s a referendum on freedom? The freedom to do what, exactly? They never speak honestly about the issue because they know the more people understand it, the more revolted by the official Democrat Party position they are. Again, I don’t think that in the key races that are gonna determine control of the House and the Senate abortion is gonna be even a top five issue —

CLAY: I hope you’re right. Trying to figure out, Buck —

BUCK: Suburban non-moms who drink wine get very upset about this, college-educated white females in particular, as a demographic, are really upset about this. But for a lot of other, folks, man there’s just more important stuff.

CLAY: What I see, Buck, is there are a lot of persuadable moms out there. I’m surrounded by moms, all right? So, where I live, I’m in the wheelhouse of suburban. And so many of those moms are still furious over covid. They’re furious that their kids were taken out of school, they’re furious that their kids had to wear masks, and many of them — who maybe traditionally would have never considered themselves to even consider voting Republican — they were all aggressively coming over.

And the way that Democrats are trying to persuade them not to, you could say, “Okay. Well, I don’t really… “Like, the reason why Glenn Youngkin won in Virginia was moms. He nailed it with suburban moms. They abandoned the Democrat Party over schools, over masking, over covid. And the way that Democrats are trying to pull ’em back is by saying — just so you know — if your 14-year-old gets pregnant, they’re going to have to have a baby. And that is going to be rattle some of those moms.

So, you have to talk about this in a rational way, you have to explain what Dobbs did, because there’s gonna be so much inflammatory stuff out there. I just think people need to be prepared for what the Democrat playbook is going to be. I hope you’re right. But my concern is there’s a lot of women out there listening to us right now in Sandy Springs, Georgia, right outside of Atlanta, making a decision about whether they’re gonna vote for Warnock or for Herschel Walker.

I’m concerned about how that’s gonna play there. There’s a lot of people listening to us right now, you know, in Scottsdale, Arizona. We’re massive in Phoenix. And they’re trying to decide are they gonna vote for Blake Masters. A lot of moms — we appreciate all of you — are deciding, are they gonna vote for Blake Masters or they gonna vote for the astronaut guy, Mark Kelly?

Blake Masters got a good argument up. These are the women, I think, that are gonna decide the election. Because a lot of people are not persuadable. I think they are, and I think we have to do a better job of persuading them.

BUCK: I don’t think it will be a top five issue. I think your read on this one is off, unfortunately.

CLAY: It is a top five issue for those women. I think it’s the number one issue, and those are the persuadable base, in my opinion.

BUCK: I mean, I think white working class male voters are going to determine the elections in Arizona, Pennsylvania, Georgia maybe a little less so. But suburban women also I think will probably vote very much based on the candidate, right? So, this is where it gets into the, “Okay. Well, how does he talk about a whole range of issues?”

CLAY: Does he smile?

BUCK: You talk about Glenn Youngkin. Glenn Youngkin, very tall, pretty handsome, wears dad vests. I’m just saying.

CLAY: I’m just saying, the sex appeal of Glenn Youngkin is high.

BUCK: Got good hair, Clay. Respect.

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Man Who Confronted Pocahontas on Student Loans Calls Us

25 Aug 2022

BUCK: There’s a throwback to when Elizabeth Warren was confronted by somebody with the reality of the so-called loan forgiveness, but it’s really people doing the right thing getting screwed and people who made a choice who you know will be getting a little political payoff.

2020:
“I’ve saved all my money. [My daughter] doesn’t have any student loans. Am I going to get my money back?”

Warren: “Of course not.”

“So you’re going to pay for people who didn’t save any money and those of us who did the right thing get screwed.”pic.twitter.com/Z19hR5Vsdg

— Daily Wire (@realDailyWire) August 23, 2022

BUCK: That was Joe Lutz from Missouri, and he is with us now, actually, the guy who confronted Elizabeth Warren. Joe, thanks for calling in?

LUTZ: Hey, how you guys doing today?

BUCK: We’re good. You got a lot of people fired up with that exchange with Senator Warren, and I just want to know: Now that you see Biden’s comeback to this, what are you thinking? What does it feel like now that you see they may go through this anyway?

LUTZ: Well, you know, you just see what the cost is, the picking and choosing of winners or loser, and then they can’t understand why anybody’s pissed off at ’em when they do it. That’s what’s really amazing.

CLAY: It is kind of fascinating to speak about. You are speaking, I think, for many people out there. The thing that I found most compelling about your confrontation with Elizabeth Warren was — and I know there are a lot of people out there listening us right now — you specifically chose to help your daughter pay for college when you could have spent money for other luxuries. You could have bought a new car.

You could have gone on fancier vacations. You made that choice. I think a lot of people out there listening to us have made that choice now. How furious does it make you to think that your choice, your sacrifice on behalf of your children when it comes to putting them through school, the government now is treating that as if it doesn’t matter at all and rewarding people who made less solid financial choices for their children?

LUTZ: Well, you know, you look at it and you say to yourself, “I can be mad about this, I can be upset,” and you are. But my daughter is the one who did a lot of the work to put herself through school, to not have those debts. And she has a great job now, and she will mop the floor with the people who get the free college, who get their student loans paid off. You know, in the short run, it’s a nice deal.

In the long run, you know, it proves that, “Oh, I don’t have to work hard.” Well, my daughter already knows how to work hard. She’s already mopping the floor with ’em. She’s gonna end up on top and they’re gonna end up second fiddle in the long run. In the short run, it’s infuriating. In the long run, you know doing the right thing will pay off just for that simple fact.

BUCK: I’m just wondering, Joe, when you’re squaring off on this issue and confronting Elizabeth Warren with some truth that she didn’t want to hear, what was her demeanor like toward you after this?

LUTZ: Well, her demeanor?

BUCK: Yes, sir.

LUTZ: Well (sigh), she sat there — and I knew you only had maybe 20 or 30 seconds in the selfie line, because I didn’t get to ask a question during the event; so in the selfie line I felt, well, I drove all this way. I’m from Missouri, not Iowa, and I thought, I’m gonna ask the question then. I thought, you know, I’m in the front of the line, I’ll jump in there. And I knew I wanted to set her up because you weren’t gonna have a policy debate here. You had a little bit of time to get it in.

But the other thing was, I was by myself. You know, I didn’t think anybody was filming it. I didn’t think any of it was being recorded, and I think because of that it came off as a lot more genuine than if you would have tried to stage it. But when I said that, you know, “My daughter’s getting out of school,” et cetera, and she said, “God bless you,” and then it was time to drop the other shoe and, you know, do just, do the old, “You know, are you gonna give my money back?”

And it’s amazing, all of politics, I’ve never had a quicker answer in my life than “of course not.” You know. And she was going to go into her long-winded explanation about, “Well, you know, if you work there with Social Security, should we not have done Social Security?” I knew what she was gonna do. I could tell what she was gonna come back with. So, I didn’t give her the chance.

I made sure that I got my 15 seconds in so I could let her know exactly how myself and everybody else felt about it. And, like I said, you could tell by the way she was fidgeting that she was like, “Uh-oh. Now what do I say?” You know, and she just had to sit there and take it. There wasn’t much she could do. And I’m just sitting there in the back of my mind going, “Whatever you do, don’t cuss, don’t cuss.”

CLAY: (laughing)

BUCK: Good man. That is always a good rule. And, Joe, you made an important contribution to this discussion, debate over the so-called cancellation of student loans, man. Thank you so much for calling in. That’s fun.

CLAY: Yes.

BUCK: That clip has been everywhere still. It’s a real moment. Well done, sir, by the way. Clay was speaking about courage before. For somebody who’s just living a private life, asking a tough question like that of a U.S. senator, that takes some gumption.

CLAY: Yeah, and I think it’s interesting to his point that the way it was recorded, he wasn’t like staging it. Somebody else just happened to grab it as well.

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25 Aug 2022

CLAY: News broke about an hour ago in the realm that Buck Sexton is now an expert. Sports prognosticator, Buck Sexton, has been on Patrick McEnroe’s podcast, right?

BUCK: Yes, sir.

CLAY: Talking about tennis. So, this is, to me, emblematic of the absurdity that is going on in our country —

BUCK: I do have a wicked forehand, Clay, for what it’s worth. I’m just saying.

CLAY: Still surrounding covid, Novak Djokovic, who is the best tennis player in the world and is trying to set an all-time major record, was not allowed to play in Australia. You may remember that he arrived in Australia, was held in quarantine, and then they refused to grant his entry to the country because he won’t get the covid shot. I believe he’s had covid at least twice. But is saying the covid shot is worthless for young and healthy people —

BUCK: And they were threatening to put him in jail for a while, if I recall. I mean, he was in quarantine, but then there was all… He might have fabricated documents; they were really flipping out about this.

CLAY: Yes, a hundred percent right. And so, he wasn’t able to play in the Australian Open. He was able to play in the French Open and in Wimbledon. He just sent out a message on social media, and I’ll read that for all of you. Djokovic wrote on Twitter:

Sadly, I will not be able to travel to NY this time for US Open. Thank you #NoleFam for your messages of love and support. ❤️ Good luck to my fellow players! I’ll keep in good shape and positive spirit and wait for an opportunity to compete again. 💪🏼 See you soon tennis world! 👋🏼

— Novak Djokovic (@DjokerNole) August 25, 2022

The reason he’s not allowed to come into the country is because we still have — and I cannot believe this exists. If you have not gotten the covid shot and you are not a citizen, you are not able to fly into this country. But, Buck, on our southern border, anyone can walk across our southern border effectively, enter the country, and they aren’t required to have gotten the covid shot at all.

So, the thing I would say, Buck, is, there’s lot of talk — you know this; I know many of you are driven insane by it, ’cause I certainly am — about, “Oh, this person, Megan Rapinoe is so brave for her super-left-wing political take. She won’t go visit the president. Oh, LeBron James! Oh, it’s so brave of what he’s saying” like, whoever it is.”

They get praised universally for left-wing political opinions that don’t actually cost them anything. Here Novak Djokovic is trying to become the greatest men’s tennis player in the history of the sport, and he has given up the Australian Open and the U.S. Open, two majors he would have been favored to win, strictly based on the principle that he won’t get the covid shot.

BUCK: It’s an enormous thing that he’s leaving on the table here, being possibly the greatest of all time.

CLAY: Yes.

BUCK: And it’s not just greatest of all time as argued by sports fans. I’m actually going to the U.S. Open next week, so —

CLAY: Are they still requiring the covid shot?

BUCK: No.

CLAY: Last year you went and you were supposed to show something. Have they given up on that?

BUCK: What happened last year was, for anyone who’s been out to the U.S. Open for tennis, they were saying, “All right, show me your vaccine passport.” I could have waved a flier for Bob’s Used Cars, and they would have said, “Looks good to me.” They were not exactly… That was always a big difference, by the way. There were the places that it was kind of like the college bars that some people may have gone to before they were 21.

I’ve heard rumors, you know, where if you show them a piece of paper that had your, “I’m 21” on it, but there are other places where they take out the black light and they, you know, bend it end-to-end and they’ll take it from you and put it on the wall and they’ll call the cops. That was the way it was with the covid vaccine passports. The U.S. Open, in terms of entry, was very lax. I don’t think there will be any requirement this year.

But that also, then, goes to what the heck are they doing not allowing the best tennis player in the world to go play. And I think that this is, at this stage — first of all, you brought up the illegal immigrant issue. Illegal immigrants are actually a protected class now because of the way Democrats view them, because of the political importance the Democrat Party of illegal immigrants. So, they have extra benefits. They get to break laws with impunity in a whole range of issues.

People say what? I don’t know. Document fraud, Social Security card fraud. There’s a lot of things that come in addition to illegality. But, yeah, no, they don’t get barred from the country based on vaccination status. They show up, wave down Border Patrol, and they don’t turn you away anymore because of — they never turn you away — pardon me — for vaccination status specifically. They could turn people away under Title 42 authority, just in general they could say you’re not allowed to come in right now because it’s a pandemic.

Novak Djokovic won’t be allowed — because why, exactly? Federal government won’t answer the question. ‘Cause I think for them at this point they’re trying to balance out who they punish for refusing to be obedient, but how long they’re willing to keep the charade going, too, because now it’s a charade. Now it’s clear idiocy — you and I have been arguing it’s bad for a year. But the point is it’s indefensible based on the policies that they’re now having to implement across the board.

CLAY: And what is particularly crazy is, Djokovic played last year in the U.S. Open when there was actually way more covid danger, if you want to even call it that. As an extremely healthy, fit athlete, in the 99.9 percentile, I think it’s fair to say, of men his age, the risk from covid for Novak Djokovic is zero. I mean, I think it’s legitimately zero. Because, to my knowledge, Buck, I haven’t seen a single elite athlete anywhere die with covid. Even die with covid.

And so the idea that in any way we are protected by restricting him is bonkers. Moreover, though, what I want you to pay attention to is, if you’re a sports fan out there and you’re listening to us right now — and I know many of you are — this story is not going to be hardly covered at all. And, really, from a political perspective, what Djokovic is doing here has a tremendous cost upon him. All these other athletes get praise, they make more money. People say, oh, Colin Kaepernick. Colin Kaepernick made way more money.

BUCK: It’s brand and bank account enhancing for the heroes of the left in sports.

CLAY: That’s right. And I don’t even necessarily consider Novak here to be a hero of the right. I just consider him to be somebody who is hyperrational and standing on principle.

BUCK: Oh, I’m… He’s probably left-wing in his politics. He’s Serbian; so, they’ve got different political considerations over there, but —

CLAY: I have no idea what his politics are. Similarly, like Aaron Rodgers, Kyrie Irving, I don’t know who they voted for, for president. I don’t know what their thought process is. But they were hyperrational, they looked at the data, and they said it makes no sense for me to submit to this covid shot mandate, and they got crushed for it, and no comparable benefit. To me, that’s the height of bravery. Standing on principle when you actually lose something is what bravery should be in the world of athletics.

BUCK: I think that Fauci should be asked, ’cause he’s doing these rehabilitate his image. Well, it should be a lot more rehabilitation than it is. But these doing these closing arguments for why he’s not just fleeing Republican congressional accountability. Somebody should ask him, hey, is it a good idea to bar people from entering the U.S. based on vaccination status at this point? Force him to answer that question, because you know what he would say? Oh, it’s complicated. There are a lot of factors. There’s a — this is what this slimy, disgraceful bureaucrat does every time, for “yes” or “no” questions where it’s basically, are you a moron, sir? Oh, it’s complicated. There’s a lot of data changes.

CLAY: I would just love for him to be asked, why is it that you can cross the southern border and we do not care about your covid shot status at all, but if you fly in legally as someone who is just coming to the United States to visit, you can’t enter unless you’ve gotten the covid shot? I would love to hear it.

BUCK: (impression) It’s because the southern border is a congregate setting where droplets can more freely spread, and the heat and sunlight added…” He would come up with something. I’m just telling you.

CLAY: I also would legitimately love to know, what would happen if Novak Djokovic showed up at the southern border and tried to walk across and claimed that he was — I mean, I’m not an expert in immigration policy. What would they do to him?

BUCK: Technically… Well, it’s a great question because you’re supposed to be barred under some immigration statutes from being able to reenter the U.S. legally if you’ve entered legally; so, he comes in and out obviously, he’s flying private so, you know, different situation. But, yeah, I mean, they’d probably say you’re barred from the country. Technically I think you’re supposed to be not able to come back into the U.S. legally for 10 years if you enter illegally —

CLAY: If you crossed illegally.

BUCK: People say, “Well, what about the people that are coming over legally now?” Yeah, they don’t make them leave. They’re not leaving. They’re certainly not flying private to Monaco every other weekend. So, yeah, Novak —

CLAY: Pretty good life. I just would love to see an absurdity like that play out.

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BUCK: Clay, when I hear this exchange between Karine Jean-Pierre and Peter Doocy, I do have a moment where I wonder, “Does this White House…?” And not just Karine Jean-Pierre, Biden in general. Do they really think there’s like a magic money tree where it just comes from nowhere and you can erase the money from the debt and then it doesn’t…? Do they understand the basics of economics? I don’t think they do.

Fox Reporter Peter Doocy: "When you forgive debt you're not just disappearing debt, so who is paying for it?"@PressSec Karine Jean-Pierre: "We are doing this in a smart way […] I just laid out for you how we’re seeing this process and why it matters." https://t.co/nl8Q0DFxZr pic.twitter.com/vC28fk7eUc

— The Hill (@thehill) August 25, 2022

CLAY: No. I really don’t think they do. And I think it’s bigger than just the Biden White House. There is almost no Democrat now who understands running a business, revenue, profit, basic economics, because $500 billion… Again, leaving aside the constitutionality of it, which it isn’t constitutional. I’m really upset about the badly named Inflation Reduction Act. We’ll talk about this more. But at least it passed, Buck. This is all made up.

BUCK: It’s a stupid decision, but they have the right to do it (chuckles), unlike this decision.

CLAY: Yes.

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CLAY: Joe Biden’s now $500 billion-plus plan — without any legislative approval — to further make inflation a disaster and to make the working class pay for the college- and grad school-educated classes’ educations. This is indefensible. And want to dive right into this off the top because, Buck, a lot of the details are now coming out. And I want to hit you with a couple of things. This is flagrantly unconstitutional, and what is going to happen here is I believe the courts are going to strike this down.

Democrats will blame the courts and argue that the courts are too political when they take this action. That won’t happen, however, until after the midterms. And, in the meantime, Joe Biden is trying to juice support from younger voters who have college and grad school loans to potentially show up. It is effectively a bribe. Biden is using, Buck, as legal authority — so far as I have seen — a law that was passed after 9/11 that allows for debt cancellation in connection with a war or other military operation or national emergency.

The emergency that Biden is citing for authority to cancel this student loan debt? Covid-19. It’s crazy. Also, I mentioned yesterday, Biden’s got a majority in the Senate. He’s got a majority in the House. If this is so politically popular and you want to spend an additional $500 billion plus, put it in front of Congress and let your Democrat majority in the House and the Senate pass this bill as you would ordinarily do with an expenditure of this magnitude. Well, at least one senator has already come out, meaning it wouldn’t pass.

In Nevada — you want to know how close this race is gonna be? I think Adam Laxalt is gonna win, but the current senator there, Catherine Cortez Masto says, “I don’t agree with today’s executive action because it doesn’t address the root problems that make college unaffordable.” She’s right on that respect.

Tim Ryan, who is running for the Senate in Ohio, likely to lose to JD Vance, said, “Waiving debt for those already on a trajectory to financial security sends the wrong message to millions of Ohioans without a degree working just as hard to make ends meet.” This is dead on arrival, Buck. Even Democrats in the House and the Senate are lining up against it. How shameless is it of Joe Biden to have undertaken this action?

BUCK: To me it’s just the Democrats doing what they always do, which is taking care of their base and trying to find ways to shift money to the interests that vote for them or that support them. So, yeah, it’s shameless, but it’s also business as usual, you know what I mean? This is not really that different from their usual approach, which is rooted in a lack of principle, integrity, and certainly they don’t care about constitutional restraint. The people who lecture us the most about how Trump is a threat to the Constitution and our democracy —

CLAY: Oh, yeah. Yes.

‘BUCK: — unless we want something real bad while we have a Democrat as president, then we just do it. Then there’s no big deal. There’s no outer limit to what is possible or what we’re allowed to do because, you know, it’s the ri… Remember when Obama said, “It’s the right thing to do”? Someone said, “Raising taxes, sir, right now, you know that’s probably gonna hurt the economy.”

“Yeah, we’re just gonna do it ’cause we gotta punish our enemies and reward our friends,” and that means a little bit of class warfare is always, always on the agenda. I think that Biden doing this is also a reflection of the fact that the whole Biden comeback moment, yeah, not really enough. I don’t think that anybody now even remembers all that much of what they did. But what they do see, meaning the inflation bill —

CLAY: Yes.

BUCK: — I mean, they literally name something an inflation bill that will make inflation a little bit worse.

CLAY: They named it the Inflation Reduction Act —

BUCK: Right.

CLAY: — and it actually I’m gonna make inflation worse. It’s crazy.

BUCK: It is actually the inflation-inflation act, right?

CLAY: Yeah.

BUCK: I mean, it’s actually gonna be inflating the inflation, and now they’re doing something that would also have inflationary effects. I mean, to have the government just say, “Yeah, well, we’re not…” This is money that is supposed to be paid back, as we’ve discussed. There’s no “cancellation.” There’s not a magic wand where this, “Oh, it’s just not owed anymore.” We have a monetary system. People that owe money, people that pay money, and changing all of this to the tune, what is it, $500 billion is the latest assessment, $500 billion plus?

CLAY: That might be low. Half a trillion dollars.

BUCK: It’s a lot of money! (laughing)

CLAY: How crazy this is? That’s a real amount of money. He’s doing it all without any legislative authority to do so, and I’m still disappointed… You ever feel like…? I feel a lot of times about the media like a parent who’s really disappointed in a kid, because it’s such an easy thing for media to inform people of. There is no legislative authority here — and I know most media are too dumb to even understand the Constitution.

But the president can’t just… To your point, he can’t cancel debt. I mean, even the phrase “cancel debt” implies that it disappears. It doesn’t. He doesn’t have a magic wand. He doesn’t have the authority to do this! So, Buck, if I came out and said… Do you remember, in a funny way, The Office? Did you watch The Office back in the day?

BUCK: Oh yeah.

CLAY: It’s such a great show.

BUCK: Great show.

CLAY: Do you remember Michael Scott, who decided that he was gonna pay for all those kids’ college one day. Like, he went into the Elementary School, Scott’s Tots, which is one of the great programs of all times, and promises this entire classroom of kids that he was gonna pay for their college tuition? He thought he was gonna be super rich one day?

BUCK: It was almost as funny as the Walkathon to Cure Rabies. (laughing)

CLAY: Yes. So he waives…. Basically Michael Scott, for those of you who are not huge The Office fans, it’s one of the funniest television shows that’s ever been done. Goes into a school classroom, elementary school classroom, and tells all these kids, “I’m going to cover your college,” and the kids are all celebrating, and they’re running around, they’re all excited. The problem is Michael Scott doesn’t have the money or the ability to do that.

So what Joe Biden did is Scott’s Tots for politicians. He just went out and said to all these people, tens of millions of people all over America, “Hey, I’m canceling your student loan debt because I’m president, $500 billion of relief.” It’s Scott’s Tots on steroids. He don’t have the right to do this, and nobody will call him on it.

BUCK: There’s a fundamental misconception that Democrats have about money and government’s role in everything that involves finance. We think of our earnings and money — and everyone listening to this, what you are accruing through your labor — as your property.

CLAY: Yes.

BUCK: And then the government does take some of it through taxation, and we’re Alice fighting back to limit that. I think taxes are far too high in this country and there’s a whole conversation to be had about this. But the fundamental philosophical position of the left is more like a parent that gives the kids a little bit of an allowance. And we, the American people, are the ones getting the allowance.

Essentially, the government can take whatever it wants and spend whatever it wants and then decide what we all get to have. They really invert the basic logic of whose property is it, anyway? Who’s really calling the shots and who’s in charge here? You know, there is, I think, at this point in time a broad understanding that Biden and the people around him know nothing about making an economy better.

CLAY: Yes.

BUCK: Anyone knows how to spend money. You can find any fool who can run up a credit the card or who can spend somebody else’s money and write the checks. That’s the easiest thing in the world. That’s what this Biden White House knows how to do. Creating the foundation, creating the framework for growth, prosperity, rule of law, innovation, all that stuff, Clay, I honestly think they don’t even know — and I don’t think they care, either.

They just want to spend what’s out there and they don’t worry about whether or not the American people are getting squeezed and it’s being made more difficult for them. And certainly, the class optics of this: This is gonna be a lot of people getting paid off. I mean, people looked at the decision, “Do I go to college? Do I not go to college?” And some said, “I’m not gonna go ’cause I don’t want the debt.”

CLAY: Yep.

BUCK: And the government is now saying, “Well, I guess you’re a sucker, because we’re gonna cancel $10,000!” By the way, I think that’s just a starting point, if they get this through, to your point, it’s not legal.

CLAY: Not legal. Also, Buck, it doesn’t end. So, the $500 billion in costs, there are a lot of kids that are gonna be taking out college loans over the next several years. Do you think those kids aren’t gonna be clamoring in 10 or 15 years for their loans to be forgiven in the same way? So, Biden doesn’t have the constitutional authority to do what he’s doing, but this doesn’t end, Buck. So, you just start to say, “Okay. It’s $500 billion now.”

Well, in 10 years it’s probably gonna another 500 billion at least. We’re talking about trillions of dollars in promises that actually encourage people to take out more debt because there now will be people who will say, “Well, this seems like a lot of money, but if the government’s going to forgive it in the future, then maybe I can take this loan out; I don’t even need to worry about it.”

BUCK: Democrats also love price controls. We just went through this. Over the summer, you remember when the Democrats were given all these sound bites on, “Gas stations just need to lower their prices!”

CLAY: Yeah. (laughing) Yeah, right.

BUCK: “Why don’t gas stations just charge less for their product?” As if it’s not a global market in fossil fuels — and as you pointed out aptly, gas stations actually make a lot of their money on the convenience store.

CLAY: Almost no money from a gas station is made from gas.

BUCK: Right. You go there for the gas. They make their money on the Hostess Cupcakes or whatever that you’re buying, which can be delicious on a long trip.

CLAY: Absolutely fantastic. Yes.

BUCK: And I think that it’s funny to see how they’ll call for that for private industry, but you can’t… Even private universities aren’t really private because they’ve been propped up by this taxpayer backstop.

CLAY: Yes.

BUCK: It’s like they’ve Solyndra-ized the entire higher education system where the taxpayers on the hook, not the actual person setting the prices and engaging in the process or the product here. And so why don’t we just tell all universities, “You know what, guys?” When I say, “Why don’t…?” I don’t believe in price controls.

But I’m saying Democrats could just say you can’t charge more than 30 grand a year for college education. We’re just gonna federally cap this if we’re gonna have federally backed student loans. They won’t do it, and they won’t do it because the multibillion-dollar hedge funds… My school I think has, like, a $2 billion endowment now, Clay, and 1,600 students!

CLAY: Yeah, and they don’t really aggressively go after the hedge funds — the massive endowments — that these universities have, either. So why…? If you’re going to forgive all this student loan —

BUCK: I’m sorry, it’s $4 billion — $4 billion, 1,600 students — my college. Just to give you a sense of how much money these places have accrued. Go ahead.

CLAY: Given the fact that we’re effectively passing $500 billion at minimum as a gift to all these institutions of higher learning — ’cause they already got paid for their education — why don’t we ask the schools to refund some of the loan costs, right? I mean, why don’t we tax their endowments at an insanely high rate, if you actually want to get some of this back? And at what point…? This just makes things worse when it comes to the cost of higher education. These universities are not being run… What did we say yesterday? There are two things that seem to be broken from a purpose of business, right?

BUCK: And health care.

CLAY: Universities and medical care, right?

BUCK: Those are the two things, when you look on a chart over the last 40 years. People complain about the cost of housing, they complain about the cost of food.

CLAY: Yeah.

BUCK: And depending on where you are in the timing, that can very much be true. No matter where you are in the United States, university or college education and health care has gotten wildly more expensive over the last 40 years.

CLAY: And what’s unique there is the competition element is broken. Just think about it. If you go buy a car, let’s say you’re going to buy a Ford. There are multiple Ford dealerships that you’re competing with to try to get the best price, the best loan, the best overall financial results. If you go shopping for groceries, grocery margins are tiny, and grocery stores are fighting all the time — even, as we mentioned, gas stations.

It’s not a coincidence that a gas station on one side of the street and a gas station on the other side of the street are constantly competing on the pennies to see which one can offer the best price on gas. Universities are the opposite. They’re not competing on price, by and large, hardly at all. And again, if you go into a hospital, your point yesterday was great, Buck. You were talking about elective surgery on your ankle.

BUCK: Yeah.

CLAY: And they told you, “It could be $3,000 or $50,000.” They weren’t sure what the cost is gonna be. Like, that’s not a market-based solution at all.

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PELOSI, LAST JULY: Biden "does not" have the power to bail out student loan debt.

PELOSI, NOW: "Clearly, it seems [Biden] has the authority to do this." pic.twitter.com/JmFVlURAce

— RNC Research (@RNCResearch) August 24, 2022

FOXBusiness: Biden student loan handout to cost roughly $500B, according to Committee for a Responsible Federal Budget. Biden’s plan calls for cancelling up to $20,000 in student debt for every American

FOXNews: Biden’s student loan handout taxes the poor and throws gas on the inflation fire

https://t.co/DWwvrSvCn3

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Doocy: Who is paying for this?"

Jean-Pierre: "What we are saying is the work that this administration has done, the work that the Democrats in Congress have done is actually there."

Doocy: "But when you forgive debt, you're not just disappearing debt so who is paying for it?" pic.twitter.com/CamDUiM47T

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Julie Kelly Is Now 105% Sure DOJ Will Indict Trump

24 Aug 2022

BUCK: Julie Kelly with us now. She’s a senior writer at American Greatness and has been following the situation here of the trial of men accused of a plot to kidnap the governor of Michigan, Gretchen Whitmer. Julie, appreciate you coming back to join us.

KELLY: Hey, guys, thanks for having me on.

BUCK: Okay, so the breaking, or not breaking, the recent news I should say from just yesterday is that federal prosecutors finally got two convictions in the Gretchen Whitmer kidnapping plot against Barry Croft and Adam Fox. They now face up to life in prison. There’s a lot to break down here for everybody. First off, the first time around there were no convictions. Why do you think it was different this time? And what do you need to — what does everyone need to know about how this all went down?

KELLY: Well, how it went down is it was an FBI sting operation from start to finish. It required the involvement of at least a dozen FBI undercover agents and informants working with their FBI handlers out of a few different FBI field offices. This was a massive operation, entrapment scheme to stitch together this group of kind of random outliers, you know, some kind of outcasts and misfits who were preaching on social media their rage about lockdowns. And of course, Michigan had one of the harshest and longest lockdowns.

So, the FBI got involved, stitched this group together, organized all these events and excursions, including a surveillance trip to Gretchen Whitmer’s cottage, which was supposed to be the scene of the crime organized by FBI informants and undercover agents. They arrested these men in October of 2020. This made — you probably recall, wall-to-wall headlines blaming Donald Trump for these right-wing militias trying to take out one of his most public political foes. But it turns out it was totally orchestrated, engineered by the FBI.

That’s why in April when these four men went on trial, the government didn’t get a single conviction. It was just stunning to see. I mean, this sort of thing never happens. Two men were outright acquitted. Hung jury on Adam Fox and Barry Croft, as you just saw. They retried the case, eight days of testimony, less than about seven hours of jury deliberations, and shocking news, the jury returned convictions on every single count. The difference, to your question, was the judge. The judge fully threw his weight on the side of the government and we can talk about some of those details. But that (loss of audio) this trial.

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CLAY: Julie, I appreciate you keeping us updated on the Michigan case. I want to go to Mar-a-Lago for a moment. As more details are coming out and this appears to be less and less of a significant issue, are you still confident the government is going to try and charge Donald Trump based on the Mar-a-Lago raid, or do you think some of the pushback on Merrick Garland has got the Department of Justice a little bit shaken?

KELLY: Oh, I wish there was anything to get this DOJ shaken. There’s absolutely no stopping them. They have no barriers. They have no guardrails. They’re getting away with whatever they want in court, not only related to this raid, but in their January 6th prosecution. So, they’re completely untethered. There’s no reason why they should not and will not indict Donald Trump. I know we’ve talked about it before. The Mar-a-Lago raid was to create optics, to make it look like this was going — this is legit, like, a legit criminal investigation, which it’s not.

So, this was to create optics. And, quite frankly, as I’ve written at American Greatness, the Democrats have ratcheted this up so high, they’ve really put themselves in a corner. If they don’t indict Donald Trump before the election, they will pay a political price from their base who wants blood. They finally want to see Donald Trump in handcuffs. If the Democrats don’t deliver, they will pay a price. So, I don’t think there’s any looking back for them now.

BUCK: So, Julie, just to be clear, you are still as confident, ’cause you, even before the Mar-a-Lago raid, came on this show, and a lot of people now remember this, said, “Wow.” Before the raid in Mar-a-Lago you believed that there was going to be a high likelihood of a prosecution of Donald Trump. You still believe that?

KELLY: I absolutely do. I think I was like 99%. Now I’m, like, 105% sure.

BUCK: You said 99%, which is pretty — like, I’m not even 99% sure that I’m gonna wake up tomorrow. So I’m pretty — that’s a pretty high likelihood. You’re 99% sure they’re gonna prosecute Donald Trump or they’re gonna bring some kind of criminal charges —

CLAY: Now she’s 105%, Buck. She’s going even higher.

BUCK: I’m sorry. Going on to the next level. I mean, I will say, it has been remarkable, Julie, to see how when they initially did it, ’cause I do think there was a bit — for normal people, not for libs who watch too much CNN, there was the shock of, “Wow, you’re sending dozens of FBI agents into a president and possible future president’s residence.” And they said, “Oh, just wait. It could be about a lot more.” And now it’s, “Oh, no, the dispute with the National Archives is super serious. This was totally, totally fine,” is what they’re trying to sell it. And criminal. Which just seems nuts.

KELLY: Yes. The librarian is upset that —

CLAY: Yeah. This is such a good point. We talked about this some yesterday, Julie and Buck. I just want to jump in. This is a dispute with the National freaking Archives.

BUCK: Clay, how many years you live in D.C.? I don’t even know where the National Archives is. I lived in D.C. for like seven years.

CLAY: This is gonna be either the most embarrassing or the biggest nerd move ever. I’ve been to the National Archives to do research there. But the idea that anybody inside of the National Archives could get an FBI raid on anyone, much less a former president — if the National Archives had raided my dorm room when I was at George Washington University, I would have been like, the Archives? What are you talking about? And the idea that they could get a raid from the Department of Justice, Julie, I mean, this is crazy. Nobody’s even talking about this. The freaking National Archives?

KELLY: I know. But if you — of course if you watched the (unintelligible), “Well, the National Archivist said, and she’s very upset, you know, she gave them four weeks to turn over their documents.” Who are you?

CLAY: I mean, if somebody took the Constitution and tried to smuggle it out from the Archives or something like that, I’d be like, okay. But, I mean, this is just so laughably absurd to me, Julie, that we’re really having an unprecedented act — the Department of Justice has never done this before — and they’re doing it over basically a librarian being mad?

KELLY: Well, I mean, it sort of went from, “He has the nuke codes” to, you know, “You’ve got an overdue library book, and how dare you not put the little card back inside of it. You’re gonna get your library card revoked.” Like, this is crazy. But that’s why I said, it was part of all the optics, right? Because most people aren’t paying attention like we are, and they don’t see this as a dispute with this nameless, faceless bureaucrat.

So, they think, “Okay. Well, maybe they really did find something at Mar-a-Lago and this really is a serious investigation, and the FBI wouldn’t do this.” Of course, our side knows this now. It’s total folly. We know the FBI and DOJ completely weaponized on behalf of the Democratic Party. I do think more Americans are waking up to that. But evidence doesn’t matter. I’ve seen what this DOJ’s getting away with in the D.C. district court. They are making up charges. They have lied about evidence. The judges don’t call them out. The grand jury signed off on whatever this DOJ puts in front of them.

BUCK: Yeah. I mean, Julie, to your point, I was talking to some other conservative heavy hitters recently, and a lot of them were surprised about the DC Circuit judge who was holding one of the J6 defendants, you know, in solitary, no bail, because of the risk of another insurrection. And that was officially written down in the judicial opinion. They’re like, really? That can’t be. Yes, it is.

KELLY: It absolutely is. I mean, they’re holding men accused of nonviolent felonies of the stupid obstruction of an official proceeding charge, which has never been used in this way. You have judges denying people, men, bail based on that felony alone. And as you said, tied to January 6th while we can’t — you know, we can’t endorse this insurrection.

You have to pay, and we’re gonna deny you bail. So, I mean, this is what — this is what we’re dealing with in D.C. It is — I call it the circle of hell, that the defendants were trapped in it. They won’t change venues. They won’t dismiss any counts. And this is the same judicial-legal circle of hell that’s gunning for Trump, and I think will be successful.

BUCK: Julie, we’re gonna have you back as this moves along. Really appreciate you following this and other big legal stories. Thanks for — oh, everyone should check out Julie’s book, January 6th: How Democrats Used the Capitol Protest to Launch a War on Terror Against the Political Right. Julie, thanks so much.

KELLY: Thanks, guys. Have a great day.

CLAY: Julie really is fantastic. Gotta keep getting her on.

BUCK: Gotta love fearless, right? Fearless is great. People that are fearless, always respect.

CLAY: Amen. Amen indeed.

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