Don’t Be Shocked If Mask Mandates Return to Red States Too

25 Jul 2022

CLAY: Buck, Friday evening I’m headed down to Florida to go speak at the Sunshine Summit. I check my phone and Rand Paul has shared, senator from Kentucky, that Jefferson County in Kentucky… That is where Louisville is located; thank you to all of our Louisville listeners. We are number one in that marketplace because of you guys, and we thank you for listening to us. Louisville is a blue city in an otherwise red state, and I know we can argue about the fact that somehow Kentucky screwed up and ended up electing a Democrat governor who has no business being in office and is gonna get swept out here when he’s back up for reelection.

But this is a red state. This is a state that Trump won by 30 points or so, an overwhelmingly Republican state. Rand Paul is gonna win by 20-plus points reelection. And what I thought about when I saw that was, first of all, fury because if I had kids right now in Louisville schools, I would lose my mind over the fact that my kids are gonna have to start wearing masks again. That’s what they officially have announced with kids preparing to go back to school there soon in Louisville. And, Buck, this perfectly crystallized what we have been telling so many of our listeners out there.

Over 75% of Jefferson county kids have already had COVID and without question don’t need to wear masks (also, scientific evidence shows masks don’t work anyway) https://t.co/iooc19uKGN

— Rand Paul (@RandPaul) July 22, 2022

That just because you live in a red state does not mean that your kids are necessarily going to be able to avoid this continued mask insanity. We know kids right now in San Diego who are in summer school are back in masks, and when I saw Louisville making this choice, I said, “My goodness. If a school district in Kentucky is doing this, then there are gonna be a lot of blue cities, a lot of blue regions, even of red states, where kids come this fall, especially in the South where everybody goes back early…” My kids start back to school I think August 5th.

It’s super early, and for a lot of you out there depending on how your school districts work. But in the South, getting ready for football season, everything else, people go back early, and there are gonna be elevated numbers of this BA.5 variant, and I’m afraid there are gonna be a lot of kids being treated unfairly like is happening in Louisville. And, Buck, just crystallized, I texted it to you as I was about to take off on the airplane, I said, “Hey, this is it. This is what we’ve been telling people they need to be afraid of.”

BUCK: I was saying in the summer of 2020 to anybody who would listen when I was doing the 6 to 9 p.m. syndication, Clay, I was telling all my folks across the country, “I know you think that you’re gonna be fine if you’re in a red state, but I’m telling you the Fauci madness is coming for you,” and then, as we know, later on, once the vaccines — 2020, the Fauci madness, Trump was president — I’m trying to make sure I get my timelines right — and then of course as we got into the Biden administration —

CLAY: It does feel like Groundhog Day.

BUCK: I know. Keep it all straight.

CLAY: You keep having to make the same arguments even though there’s no way that you think you’re going to have to keep doing it.

BUCK: But, you know, there was that period where the red states under Trump were breathing free, fresh air. (chuckles)

CLAY: Yep.

BUCK: Seemed like mask mandates were being limited. Although even the great state of Florida when I would go to Miami for visits, see my brothers, they had mask mandates. I will never forget when I was staying at a beach resort and I went out to… There was like a little stand; you have to sort of check in before you go lay out on one of the chairs, and I was maybe 10 feet away from a woman in the stand and she said, “Sir, I’m gonna need you to put your mask on if you’re gonna talk to me.” That was in Miami. That was in Florida, and that was Miami city policy.

The city of Miami is run by people, apparently, who can’t actually look at data and come to rational conclusions. Plenty of other places like that as well. And as long as you have Democrats in charge of the federal government, you’re going to have this. As long as you have Democrats in charge of city bureaucracies, too. I mean, you’re supposed to wear a mask on the subway, not for restaurants, bars, workplaces.

Not that I want that to happen, either, but you’re supposed to wear masks on the subway because people yet have not… I really do think there’s a psychological block because one of the reasons fraudsters get away with fraud for so long — and this is well known. You talk to former FBI agents, for example. “How did this guy rip off $5 million or $15 million from people in some kind of a swindle?” It’s ‘cause people don’t like to admit that they have been swindled.

CLAY: Yeah.

BUCK: A lot of times if they can afford to just eat the loss, they don’t want to go to the FBI or to the police. They don’t want to say anything. Some people do, some people don’t, but especially people that have more disposable income are like, “I don’t want to.”

CLAY: I see this sometimes too, Buck. They don’t want to deal with it. They don’t want to acknowledge that they got taken.

BUCK: That’s right. And I do think that there is just a block in the minds of tens of millions — definitely millions, maybe tens of millions of dollars.

CLAY: I think it’s tens of millions.

BUCK: Well, but of otherwise sane, rational Americans who just cannot process that all this stuff — the masking, the shut-down playgrounds, the vaccine mandate, the vaccine passport, the mask up between bites on planes — was completely useless, and many of them happily went along with it.

CLAY: Yeah, and I think a lot of those people, Buck, are also just incredibly trusting. And that’s why it so disgusts me when I hear people like Dr. Birx or Dr. Fauci constantly shift the definition. This ties in to me with what’s going on right now. So, everybody out there listening to us right now, I met a bunch of the Moms for Liberty this weekend down at the Sunshine Summit. God bless all you moms out there that are fighting hard on behalf of your kids all over this country. The wake-up call… Covid was a wake-up call that many of us who have our kids in public school needed.

I’ve gotta tell you, I know you’re tired, I know you feel like you’ve been fighting the same battles for so long. I feel, unfortunately, Buck, like there are many people out there whose kids are going to get masked. They’re gonna put your kids in masks. I’m telling you they’re gonna do it, if they can. You need to stay organized, you need to stay aware of what the school boards are doing, of what your elected health officials are attempting to do. Most of those, by the way, not elected health public officials like Barbara Ferrer, this idiot who has ruined L.A. in terms of a covid response for so many people out there. I gotta tell you, man, you need to all stay organized and being aware because that Louisville news hit; I couldn’t believe it when I saw it. I was so disgusted.

BUCK: How do you get just universally understood to be awful politicians like Bill de Blasio, for example, who just had the well-deserved humiliation of, in a very blue, very Democrat congressional district in Brooklyn, even those libs — and they are the most lib of the libs were like, “You are a disaster.” (laughing) Even if you’re a progressive, even if you’re a commie, de Blasio is too disastrous for that ideology. But how did he get two terms as the mayor of the biggest city in the country, a job that a lot of people think can be even a steppingstone — he clearly thought so — to the presidency?

Because people are apathetic and they forget, because people just think, “Oh, well, what did he really do? Was it that bad? What does he stand for?” I understand that right now there’s this mind-set of covid, the vaccine mandates, the vaccine passports, we’re out of it for the most part; we shouldn’t really be worried. If there is not a message sent in this midterm election, I’m just trying to tell everybody for the whole country, no matter how red a state you live in, they basically got away with it, and that’s the way it will be viewed. They basically will do this again on other issues, perhaps even other pandemics in the future.

CLAY: And they’re doing it in all facets. When we come back, Buck, you can talk about this. We were texting during the break about this idea — and again we’ll be talking about this a lot this week — the second quarter GDP numbers are coming out. And they’re likely going to be negative. Historically, back-to-back GDPs quarterly that are both negative, that’s always been a recession. They’re changing the definition of recession just like they changed the definition of vaccine, just like they changed the definition of woman or female, just like they changed the definition of who can get pregnant in this country.

They are willing to be utterly conniving, and they’re going to change the definition of what’s required when it comes to masks. I’m telling you. I said the TSA are wearing masks. I don’t remember that being a big debate. I don’t remember that being a big story. I don’t know how I even missed it. I was asking the agents ’cause I noticed they all had ’em on in Ft. Lauderdale, said a couple weeks ago they came back and they said, “All TSA agents,” at least at Ft. Lauderdale, “have to wear masks.” How did that happen?

I don’t remember a debate about it. Well, that’s a steppingstone towards what I’m afraid’s gonna happen, Buck, which is all of us are gonna have to put masks back on if we go back into airports. Doesn’t matter where you live. They’re not giving up on this. And you have to be organized, you have to be ready to fight, and you have to be prepared for the reality, which is as soon as they can, they’re gonna put your kids back in a mask, and they’re gonna try to make you get a covid shot even though it’s not working.

BUCK: One of the things that really draws people to leftism, to being a Democrat, to being a liberal, a progressive, is, one, notion of you’re the good, the smart people, right. That’s just the branding of it. It’s, oh, we’re the #science side of it, but it’s also a desire to nag others, to control others, to make them do what you think they should do, and that is because I think ultimately leftists would much rather focus on the control of others and the government mandate to do that than individual responsibility and individual choice, right?

CLAY: Yeah.

BUCK: And you saw this all throughout covid. They are fixated on, “Oh, are other people wearing masks?” or whatever. It would have been much better off if everyone just thought, “How can I be as healthy as I can be and take the steps as an individual to protect myself?” But they always elevate the collective and the government’s ability to force that collectivist response on everything else. So that’s why the masking thing for them — and I knew it would all along — it just became the marker, the signifier.

It was, “Bend the knee. Do as you’re told. Shut up, peasant,” and they still feel that way! That’s what everyone has to understand. They’re not done. I know a lot of you are like, “I’m in Texas, Buck, I’m in Tennessee, I’m in Florida, I’m in North Dakota, South Dakota, Wyoming, Utah. I don’t have to worry about this.” You ever plan on flying anywhere again? ‘Cause they’re gonna make you mask up unless we stop them.

CLAY: Just look at what happened in Louisville. Again, Louisville is not New York City, it’s not L.A., and look at what they’re doing to their kids. They’ll do it to yours too.

BREAK TRANSCRIPT

BUCK: One of the things about the… As you can tell, Clay and I are both… I had to live through the worst of it, but Clay’s had to deal with some of it when he travels, the covid mandate madness. Is that these people are all frauds too.

CLAY: I couldn’t have done what you did. I couldn’t have lived in New York City.

BUCK: It almost killed me.

CLAY: I’d have totally lost my mind.

BUCK: Having residents in my building… Finding out that of the hundreds, literally hundreds of people who live in my building. It was me and some rant German guy, the only two people in the building during the initial covid wave who refused to wear masks. And we were constantly getting complained about. And people came up to me and got really aggressive about it too. It almost made me just think, “I can’t stay in the city anymore,” but the people pushing all this stuff were huge frauds.

It’s very similar to the people that are obsessed with climate change at the top levels. Al Gore and Barack Obama and Leonardo DiCaprio only fly private and only really want to spend tens of millions of dollars on real estate that’s near oceans, it seems. It’s so weird how that happens. On the covid masking quarantine stuff, here is Karine Jean-Pierre trying to handle the question, hold on a second. Kamala’s not obeying CDC regulations after Biden’s positive covid announcement.

Did Kamala Harris follow proper CDC guidance by not wearing a mask and hugging people today despite being defined as a “close contact” of Biden?

Biden COVID Coordinator Ashish Jha: Uh….. pic.twitter.com/VV2pOvfaSt

— RNC Research (@RNCResearch) July 22, 2022

CLAY: I appreciate the question, because they’re actually trying to hold Democrats accountable for their lies. Remember, Buck, there are a lot of moms and dads out there listening to us right now whose kids had to go home for 10 days ’cause somebody they sat with in a classroom tested positive for covid, because somebody in their kids’ lunchroom tested positive for covid, and my concern is that reporter grilling the White House is probably upset because there aren’t more covid restrictions in place.

But the vice president and all these elected officials, Democrats, violated their own covid rules with impunity over and over and over again. They all had a French laundriesque incident. And your kids had to sit at home for 10 days if some 6-year-old tested positive in their classroom. They need to be held accountable for this. They need to be held accountable for what they did to their kids, to your kids and for not even following their own rules even to this day.

BUCK: Fauci just today, by the way, is saying — we can grab this — people should mask up in indoor settings all over the country now, everywhere.

CLAY: Of course.

BUCK: We told you, folks. I know everyone’s like, “Oh, Buck, it’s over!” Buck and Clay know what’s up.

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A Pilot on Why Air Travel Is All Screwed Up

25 Jul 2022

CLAY: Something that I would imagine is impacting many of you and your families, this travel disaster that is befalling the entire country and certainly overseas as well. But in the United States, if you travel very much, if you’re on airplanes — if you’re traveling for summer vacation, going to visit friends and family — it is absolutely a mess the likes of which many of us haven’t seen since 9/11 in terms of just trying to get around in the country. We’ve got a caller from Tennessee. I believe you’re a pilot; you were explaining what exactly is going on. What can you tell us about situation that you see as a pilot?

CALLER: Well, we have an equipment list that’s called a “minimum equipment list.” When we get to the end of the runway, that’s our final check to make sure everything works. And if something doesn’t work, we have to go back to the gate with that list. It’s an FAA mandated document. So we can —

CLAY: No doubt. And that’s been the case for a long time. But what Buck and I were talking about to a large extent is the amount of delays, the amount of canceled flights, we’ve never seen anything like it. And I know the same thing is true for a lot of our listeners. What are you seeing as a pilot in terms of delays and cancellations? Why is this summer such a travel nightmare for so many people?

CALLER: Well, mostly it’s gonna be the pilots are being worked too hard. They’re being pushed, and they get the call whether they’re fatigued or not. Once they push a certain limit, they actually say, “Look, I can’t safely fly anymore.” So it’s really about fatigue. And the other thing is the airplane’s sat for a long time and didn’t fly a lot, and airplanes don’t like that. So they tend to have a little more problems. Not ’cause they’re unsafe, but they do have more mechanical problems because they don’t like to sit down very long, and when they sit all that time, then some things don’t work as well. So that’s a two-edged sword. But really, it’s a fatigue issue with the pilots that are being worked too hard.

BUCK: But, Tom, why aren’t there more…? Why are we having a pilot shortage now? Was it really just during covid there were a lot of early retirements for pilots? What is causing 9t?

CALLER: I actually am an early retirement. I retired last year — or year before last. They offered me a five-year buyout to leave early ’cause they didn’t think we were ever gonna get back to flying. Every airline had some type of retirement package, and I took one, and I’m sitting at home getting paid not to fly, and I’ve considered actually it go back to flying.

BUCK: I was gonna say, I bet you could get a great deal right now if you wanted to go fly for somebody else.

CLAY: So this is interesting. I appreciate you calling in. So one of the issues was, demand went to virtually nonexistent, right? In the spring and summer of 2020 there weren’t very many people flying. Airlines were trying to cut costs, and one way they did that was by encouraging some pilots with seniority to retire, and then things have bounced back in terms of air travel so much faster that they’ve been caught now not having enough supply to fit the demand. Is that a fairly basic explanation as you would see it as a pilot?

CALLER: Absolutely. That’s a great way to put it because walking around the airports, there’s no food, there’s no people, there’s nobody on the airplanes. And, you know, it was kind of scary for me in the job. But then, you know, for the buyout, I didn’t think they would recover this quick, and I don’t think they did, either. And then all of a sudden it’s back to full capacity, and they can’t get the people back online. So it really is. It’s a problem for every airline, not just mine.

CLAY: So how long…? Thanks for the call, by the way. I think, Buck, you and I and everybody out there — and that was a really interesting call. I think a lot of us out there are just saying, “Okay, we understand the supply-demand situation has fluctuated a great deal in two years. How long is this going to take to get people rehired and back in positions where they can be flying as much as they need and working on the planes and everything else?” It’s like everywhere then you have an issue.

BUCK: I don’t believe that government is a solution to everything or even most things. It is interesting though that Biden administration pretty recently declared they wanted to invoke the usage of the Defense Authorization Act, the Defense Production Act for solar panels. And you would think that they could do a whole lot more to help the American people if they could get more oil production and more pilots. (laughing) Right? Let’s encourage them. We just had a caller who said he took the early retirement.

It’s exactly what I’ve heard which is that a lot of guys went into early retirement, the airlines total misallocated resources or didn’t plan properly for what was gonna happen as covid faded. ‘Cause what you — I think one thing they didn’t anticipate was that a lot of people feel like, “Oh, my gosh, not only did I not get to travel during covid the way I wanted to, life is short, man!”

CLAY: Yeah.

BUCK: “My time on this asteroid that’s floating around in the Virgo supercluster or whatever is short.” It’s not an steroid, but you get what I’m saying. “This rock in space, you know, this thing, we don’t have a lot of time here, man!” I was watching these TikTok accounts that were all about travel to Scotland, Clay. Man, first chance I get I want to go check out Scotland just cuz.

CLAY: I think that you’re right. There’s a massive amount of people this summer making up for not having traveled the previous two summers. But this doesn’t feel like it’s going to be a rapid fix.

BUCK: Nope.

CLAY: It feels like during the fall is gonna be a mess, and then we always know it’s a mess during the holiday season, and that doubles the stress because you don’t have that much time built in for Thanksgiving or Christmas or whatever you’re celebrating with your family. This feels like it’s gonna be a mess for the rest of the year.

BUCK: Oh, absolutely. It hurts… By the way, a lot of business travel is a huge component of the airlines’ bottom line. And think about this. You and I are doing stuff, well, we could always do it in a different station. We’re very flexible with radio, thank heaven. For a lot of people, if you missed that flight and they can only get you there two days later, meeting over. Didn’t happen.

CLAY: Vacation over.

BUCK: Or vacation over. So I mean for a lot of business travelers they’re gonna say I guess we gotta Zoom because you can’t assume you’re gonna get from New York to Minneapolis or Salt Lake in one day.

CLAY: Did you know that they’ve reinstituted the mask mandate for TSA workers? Have you noticed this? Every single TSA worker. First time I noticed it at Ft. Lauderdale where I was flying in and out of was wearing a mask. And I asked, and they said, “Yeah, a few weeks ago they told us that all TSA workers had to go back to wearing masks.” I had no idea that was going on. Did you know that TSA had the mask mandate reinstituted?

BUCK: They’re gonna keep on slowly but surely doing it. The boa constrictor of Fauci stupidity is going to start squeezing out our freedoms, Clay. That’s the way it’s gonna happen.

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What Happens If Trump Announces Before the Midterms?

25 Jul 2022

BUCK: We have a big election coming up. We’re already at the end of July about to be here in the August recess, and then from there it’s a sprint to the finish for the midterm elections. There’s a lot of back-and-forth because, remember, this midterm is going to really determine the rest of the Biden presidency. Is it effectively an almost lame duck for two years Biden presidency? There’s some budgetary things and executive actions he’ll be able to do.

But if the Congress is entirely in Republican hands, Senate and House, it’s very tough for Biden to get any — I mean, impossible to get any — sweeping legislation done, essentially, and, therefore, not a whole lot in terms of the Biden agenda other than spending, which in a time of high inflation is almost a… There’s a degree of self-restraining reality, I think, that happens when you have super high inflation. Although keep in mind, the Biden administration did want to spend $5 trillion as recently as January.

So they may go back to something like that. All that said, we’re trying to make sure that we — and we do have a candidate joining us in the third hour of the program. We want to make sure you hear from some of our Republican contenders as possible. We don’t endorse anyone in primaries, but we want to give you, our beloved listeners, the chance to hear from as many of the big names out there in Senate races and in House races where we can. There’s obviously a lot of House races so we can’t have them all on. So have Jim Lamon joining us in the third hour to talk about his bid for a Senate seat in the great state of Arizona. We’ve got a huge audience in Phoenix. Clay, are we number two, three…? Oh, no, I think we’re number one in Phoenix.

CLAY: Number one in Phoenix and I believe number one in Tucson. So we got Arizona State and we got Arizona both covered.

BUCK: C&B, NBD. So we are very excited to be joined by him later on. And I would just say there’s a lot of back-and-forth right now in GOP circles, not so much about — ’cause we just want to run up the scoreboard, right? So, every Republican sitting around, Clay, saying, “We need a reckoning, we need blue annihilation or Red Wave.” All the fun analogies and metaphors and similes of whatever we could throw at this we’re gonna be doing. That’s clear.

And it would be, for me, more than even the economy, as much as it can be a slap-down of the covid madness is in my mind the most important possible outcome we can have, because the covid lockdowns in so many ways led to the disastrous inflation and the economy being so painful for people right now — on the brink of the recession being official. But should Trump announce before this midterm, this is getting a lot of talk in GOP circles. One thing is we might actually have the president, former president joining us on Friday here on the show. We’re trying to set that up to talk about, well, a lot of issues. Here is pollster Frank Luntz who, unfortunately, is a very… He’s a Fauciite, done that? He’s a big Fauci guy.

CLAY: Yeah, he’s been angry at me on Twitter.

BUCK: Yeah, angry at me on Twitter. And I’m like, “Dude, go triple mask. It will keep you safer. Double mask plus plexiglass screen or else, Luntz, you don’t take the virus seriously.”

CLAY: The fifth shot will take care of it once and for all, one, two, three, four didn’t work. But five — five, six, and seven — will definitely work.

BUCK: Those are the magic ones.

CLAY: Everybody knows.

BUCK: At that point, it’s almost like when Spider-Man gets bit by the radioactive spider. You might get superpowers. Maybe you could shoot some webs out of your hands. Here’s Frank Luntz, though, talk about the possibility of a Trump announcement before the midterms versus after.

LUNTZ: More and more Republicans are saying, “Enough! I don’t want to focus on the past. I want to focus on the future. I don’t want to focus on Donald Trump and an election that is now two years old. I want to focus on inflation. I want to focus on crime. I want to focus on Ukraine,” and this is causing a significant problem for Trump, and I think it’s the reason why he’s more likely than not to announce in 2022 rather than wait ’til 2023. And one final point: If he does announce, he could actually cause the Republicans the House as well as the Senate. If the election is about the economy, Republicans win both. If the election’s about Donald Trump, Republicans lose both.

BUCK: Okay. First of all, he’s wrong. Republicans are gonna win the House unless —

CLAY: The House is locked and loaded.

BUCK: And if you don’t, honestly, Clay, it’s time that we start looking at plots of land in, like, Costa Rica or Palau or something Smoke ’em if you got ’em, folks, ’cause America’s over, okay? If we can’t win the House in this environment… The Senate’s gonna be close regardless. You and I live in Realityville. It’s a couple seats.

CLAY: There are five states in the Senate. But you’re right, the House… No matter what happens between now and what day, what, we’re basically 10 weeks out, effectively, from November 8th, Election Day, and so the House is locked and loaded. The Senate is gonna come down to Arizona, Nevada, Pennsylvania, Georgia, and probably Wisconsin, right? If you had to say the five states that are most going to decide things going forward. Doesn’t mean there can’t be upsets in other places, but those would be the five.

And things can go a lot of different directions as those are very often regional-based contests. I think Dr. Oz needs to get his act together, honestly, in Pennsylvania. Fetterman is an incredibly weak candidate. He’s unhealthy. He’s not able to get out on the road. That’s one that Republicans must win, and he really needs to start landing somebody blows in that fight. I’ve said this before but I got cut off. (laughing) Some of you may have seen it yesterday, yesterday evening I was talking on Fox News with Steve Hilton. And look.

With ten weeks to go to the mid-terms here are my Senate and House predictions with @SteveHiltonx & @SaraCarterDC last night. pic.twitter.com/YZf0IHvH8Y

— Clay Travis (@ClayTravis) July 25, 2022

He’s a doctor, Dr. Oz. How is he not getting Fetterman on the record about can men get pregnant, do you believe that women should be completing in menus athletic events. These are things that Democrat orthodoxy requires Fetterman to support, not to mention the fracking issue which I think they’re starting to land some bodyblows finally on that, ‘cause Fetterman, crazily, blamed Republicans for high gas prices in a tweet, which makes me believe that he’s not that smart of a candidate in general.

But Dr. Oz has gotta win that race, Buck, and he’s gotta start landing some body blows, and I know it was a bruising primary, and I know there’s a lot of you listening to us in Pennsylvania that might have supported a variety of different candidates there. There were a lot of good ones, three of them; we had all three of them on. But, Buck, this is a must-win, must-hold Senate seat.

And I am a little bit nervous in some of these places, that if Trump announces before the midterms, that in these tight races in the Senate it could make a difference because it allows the candidate to not have to run on Biden’s economy. And even like, down in Georgia — I don’t know if you saw this quote over the weekend — Raphael Warnock was asked whether Biden had been a good president so far and totally dodged it. When you can’t even say that your current president is a good president — it’s a pretty softball question — that’s a big deal.

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Covid Experts Were Wrong Then. What Are They Wrong About Now?

25 Jul 2022

BUCK: I had to take a moment here, Clay and I are going back and forth on just how are we really gonna do this thing where we allow the people who were wrong about everything when it comes to covid after…? In one year… Think of the transformation in the narrative here in one year. Last summer in July, if you were — and many people in this audience were — hesitant to get the shot.

And I could say, I have family. My parents got shots. But I have family that were… I have a pretty big family when you look at cousins and everything else. They were very hesitant, to put it mildly, to get any form of covid shot. They didn’t want to do it. So, I told them get it — and refused to do it, I should add. I know people that didn’t want to do it, didn’t care what rules were and just weren’t doing it, they didn’t live in New York City.

CLAY: That’s like me.

BUCK: Well, but you don’t live in New York City, right?

CLAY: Right.

BUCK: So, depends on where you are. In Nashville, they weren’t gonna send the vaccine stormtroopers to your door. Here in New York, it felt like that was just days away. But when you see how much the narrative has changed, a year ago at this time if you didn’t want to get the shot, you were a reckless person. This is the official narrative, I’m saying. They were telling you you were a reckless person, putting people at risk, didn’t care about science, didn’t care about health because the shots were amazing! The shots were gonna stop everybody from even getting covid, never mind “severe disease.” So this is a montage of famous people, world leaders, who were saying, “Get the shot; it will protect you,” and now are, in the last six months or so have had to say, turns out they got covid.

A year ago our leaders all said the covid shot would keep us from getting and spreading covid. Then they all got covid. Enjoy this video. And then just ask yourself this: what will they be saying about the covid shot a year from now? pic.twitter.com/WWrPTCQ9YJ

— Clay Travis (@ClayTravis) July 25, 2022

BUCK: That’s just a smattering of world leaders. You had Biden, Trudeau of Canada, the prime minister of Australia, Anthony Fauci himself. “Get the shot! You’ll be fine; you won’t get covid.” Oh, they got covid.

CLAY: And that is a phenomenal video. I tweeted it out, I think, on Sunday. I enjoyed watching it just because they did a great job of juxtaposing the “you’ll never get covid” with them announcing they all got covid after the shots. The reason why I think it’s also significant is because that was about a year ago that they were all saying that. All of those leaders who were mandating and forcing you to get covid, remember, they initially said, “It will keep from you getting and spreading covid.”

That was the justification for why they needed to have mandates. That effectively covid would end if everybody got shots. What are they gonna be saying a year from now? Just think about that. We had Alex Berenson on July of last year about this time. He came on and he was one of the first people and we were one of the first shows to be willing to say, “Hey, this covid shot, it isn’t going to end covid. There are going to be a lot of breakthrough cases.

“There are gonna be a lot of issues with it.” At that point in time, you were barely allowed to even mention that. Those of you out there listening know we were on the front edges of telling you where we were headed. Buck, I’m concerned that a year from now… This is my concern. I’m not saying that I know it. I’m saying, this is my concern. I’m concerned based on the data that a year from now it is going to become widely accepted that the covid shots have led to faster mutations in the covid virus, because remember —

BUCK: That would be a version of… People talked about — Joe Rogan talked about last summer — Marek’s disease in chickens, and even the chief researcher for this came out to say, “Oh, that would never apply to covid.” I’m just… To be clear, these are things you weren’t allowed to say, and you’re saying it might be heading to a revisiting?

CLAY: If you just look at the trajectory of what was being said last year compared to what is commonly accepted wisdom today… Remember, go back in time, your Back to the Future machine. “It’s gonna stop and prevent anybody from getting covid. Covid is over! It’s a hot vax summer. Everybody go out and celebrate.” A year later, everybody now knows it doesn’t stop the spread. You’re gonna have to get boosters forever.

And now they try to say, Buck, “Well, it still prevents you from getting seriously ill or needing to be hospitalized.” I think that argument — the seriously ill and hospitalized argument, I think — a year from now is gonna be mostly gone too. And so my concern is not just with playing that clip to show you how wrong a year later all of those people who told you those things were. My concern is, what are they wrong about today that a year from now is gonna sound just like that?

BUCK: And a lot of things that are… These are facts. These are observable facts that you don’t have to have a medical degree of any kind, of any specialty to know vaccines never get approved this equally. We approved this vaccine at a speed that is completely unparalleled in history, right? There’s never been a vaccine that has gone this fast. Originally, we were told, “Oh, well, that’s because it’s so amazing.” But as we all see, there was lot that they clear… Either they didn’t know, or they just blatantly lied to really billions of people about the effectiveness of the vaccine.

Those are the only options because it is not as effective as they told us it would be. But they’ve never gotten a vaccine done this quickly, and they have also never had such a broad-spectrum global vaccination campaign based on a vaccine that was done this quickly. Point here being, we were in uncharted territory, never before done in the history of the human species. And if you had any questions, you were treated like a troglodyte.

CLAY: Yes.

BUCK: You were treated as if you were an anti-science monster. And a lot of the people who were asking questions, particularly about efficacy, were 100% right.

CLAY: And let’s play this, because your point on either they knew and they lied, or they just didn’t know… I’m inclined to think most people didn’t know ’cause they didn’t have a long enough track record of data and it looked like these vaccines did work really well for the few months that they tested them and then certainly the protection fades rapidly. But Dr. Birx said, “I knew these vaccines weren’t going to protect against infection. I think we overplayed the vaccines.” Now, she says lots of crazy stuff of late. But I want you to play this. This is Dr. Fauci’s compadre. This is one of the top experts in the entire (glitch) on covid and now saying, “Hey, you know what? I knew they really, really gonna work that well. Listen.

What’s incredible about Birx saying she knew the vaccines wouldn’t protect against infection and that they were “overplayed” is that she never thought it necessary to speak out against mandates she apparently knew were indefensible and based on misrepresentations from Fauci & CDC https://t.co/depkVaIGnV

— Ian Miller (@ianmSC) July 23, 2022

BUCK: No, no. Just notice the twist there. Very important. Oh, it made people worry. What you’re saying is you lied to us and then people, in response to the lie, had questions about the other things you said. That’s called rational. That is what an intelligent person would do. If someone tells me, “I’ve got a stock pick if you, Buck, hundred percent guaranteed it’s gonna go up,” and I lose my ass on it, then they tell me the second time,” I’ve got another stock pick!”

CLAY: So you’re not gonna listen to my next stock tip?

BUCK: I mean, I wasn’t thinking about you there, but we’re gonna have to do a little more due diligence there, Mr. Clay Travis.

CLAY: Yes.

BUCK: Point here being, she is taking no responsibility for the initial vaccine. She says it was “overplaying.” They either were incredibly wrong or lied. And also, this is interesting, ’cause people like Fauci and Birx always referred to as top experts. And I want to remind everybody, as someone who worked in the federal government and will tell you that at the… I can only speak for the CIA. The smartest people I knew in the CIA were overwhelmingly being harassed by the bureaucracy for something stupid and very rarely made it past 10 years, usually past five years, right?

The people that I knew — it’s true across the federal bureaucracy — want to leave because they just can’t deal with the bureaucracy and the madness anymore, okay? They can’t deal with the stupidity. There are people in very high places. John Brennan was a CIA director. John Brennan is an idiot, okay? He worked for Obama as the counterterrorism czar. DNI Clapper. Not a very smart guy. You could say they were “top experts in the realm of intelligence,” but you would just be talking about their longevity in the bureaucracy.

Not being right. Not being smart. Not knowing the way to go. In the health bureaucracy, it’s even more the case. If you’re there the longest, you’re the most respected. You know, in the actual medical field, you know, there are some guys who are the best heart surgeons; you gotta wait six months to see them ’cause everybody knows they’re the best heart surgeon. Birx and Fauci are bureaucrats. Nothing more.

CLAY: Yeah. And they were bureaucrats who were a hundred percent wrong. So if Fauci and Birx told us this would prevent and stop the spread — keep you from getting it and stop you from spreading covid — a year ago, why do you believe them now when they say, “You still should go get the covid shot because it’ll keep you from being severely ill or dying”? Buck, you know this. Our data is not very well shared or distributed right now in the United States, but it there are an awful lot of countries out there where people who got the covid shot and people who got this idea that they were gonna be protected are dying at high rates. So my concern is a year from now we’re gonna be saying that the covid shot also doesn’t protect you that much from severe illness or death. A year from now, I think that’s where we’re gonna be.

BUCK: So there were things that you were not allowed to even discuss publicly about the vaccine all along. I brought up Marek’s and the New York Times and all this — when I say I brought up, I mentioned before, right? Joe Rogan famously talked about Marek’s disease, which is a disease of chickens, where there’s effectively a selection process for a more virulent strain of the virus, a more dangerous strain of the virus in response to a vaccination campaign. It took like 10 years for this to actually manifest. He just brought it up, and I think that was some of the most heat he’s ever come under for that, right?

CLAY: Yeah.

BUCK: It was last summer he talked about Marek’s on his show. If you even brought up something… There’s something called antibody-dependent enhancement. These are things I’ve learned. I’m just Googling these things. I’m not a doctor or whatever. But if you learn about this, it’s existed where — or, rather, it’s happened where a couple of times a vaccine has actually resulted in a second exposure to a pathogen, a virus that essentially made it worse. Now, that would be the absolute worst-case scenario situation of a vaccine.

It doesn’t seem like that’s happening here, to be clear. That’s not what seems to be happening. My point in bringing it up is just you weren’t even allowed to talk about it. You weren’t even allowed to say, ‘Hey, is this a problem?” and doctors should have said, “No, no, guys, don’t worry. Yes, that’s a real thing, but it’s not happening in this case based on the data.” What you’re talking about, though, could be — we talked to Alex about this — the concept of original antigenic sin.

Which means that your immune system is trained based upon a vaccine in a way that can wrong foot it when it encounters the virus a second time so you have a slightly slower response. Is that happening? We need to look at the data. But you brought up any three of those things before, Clay, people wanted you fired from your job!

CLAY: Yeah.

BUCK: People wanted to ruin you, instead of saying, “No, let’s talk about this,” and explain why it’s not happening.

CLAY: And also, I think it’s just relevant because if you’re that wrong a year ago, why should you trust that what they’re telling you today is accurate? And Alex’s Berenson has been right abuot this, and he asked a good question. The mutations of covid seem to be accelerating. That is, we are getting newer variants more and more rapidly. Why is that? I don’t claim to know the answer.

BUCK: I’d also say this. I said this to friends. I talked to some friends of mine over the weekend about this. If a doctor wears a mask because they have to wear masks ’cause it’s hospital policy, I’ll give them a pass. If a doctor actually believes that me wearing a cloth mask for our close, face-to-face interaction is doing anything to help anybody, I no longer trust their professional judgment. It’s a rule now for me. Just saying.

CLAY: I think that’s a right rule.

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25 Jul 2022

BUCK: Gotta say happy birthday to my dad, Mason Speed Sexton, 75 today, looks 55, and we celebrated his birthday a bit more over the weekend, the guy who taught me man stuff growing up.

CLAY: He was fantastic in-studio —

BUCK: Yeah, he’s great.

CLAY: — people out there who remember.

BUCK: He’s a great storyteller, a great dad, and a great golfer. He loves golf so you’ve got to help me out next to you’re doing some kind of celebrity, fancy man golf tournament, you gotta take my dad out there. He’s a great golfer. But one thing growing up is he used to like to take us to — we used to go to — very remote spots. It wasn’t camping like in a cabin or anything else. We were carrying canoes over our heads, carrying all of our stuff in packs. I’m like 12 years old. This is pre-cell phone era. We would go up into a place called the Quetico wilderness area of Canada, which is just right north of Minnesota.

CLAY: Oh, wow. That’s aways up there.

BUCK: Oh, no, this is the real deal, my man. We used to do this stuff and there were bears and wolves and all that stuff.

CLAY: Yeah.

BUCK: I remember being a kid hearing the wolves howling at night and my dad would just look at me and be like, “Isn’t this great, son?” I’m like, “I don’t know.” I’m kind of more of a house cat. I like being able to order my Thai food and my burgers. But I did do that stuff growing up. My dad taught us outdoor stuff, taught us how to shoot. I should post photos. We got some photos of me at the range with the .22, I’m 11, 10, 11 years old, my first riflery experience going on. I’m about 10 years old. But my dad was an outdoorsman, true outdoorsman. But this is what’s funny, Clay. I started watching this show called Alone. Do you know about this?

CLAY: Is that like Naked and Afraid?

BUCK: It’s kind of, but there’s no like weird being naked or afraid. Alone I like because there was a history… History Channel? Is that right? It’s one of those channels. And now it’s on Netflix. It’s real survival experts. It’s not just like, “My name is Bob. I sell hot dogs. Now I’m naked in the woods.” I mean, these are people —

CLAY: I used to love watching Bear Grylls. So I was obsessed with that show.

BUCK: So imagine if you had 10 Bear Grylls-like figures and the game is you’re dropped in the middle of the wilderness and you have to survive as long as you can out there. You have a satellite phone. You tap out, right, if he calls in?

CLAY: It’s Hunger Games, except you’re not trying to kill each other?

BUCK: Exactly. It’s actually The Hunger Games because the biggest enemy you face is hunger.

CLAY: Yeah, right.

BUCK: These guys, 30 days in they’ve lost 30 pounds. By the way, it’s a reminder: Calories in, calories out. I gotta keep that in mind. But it’s funny because I started telling my dad about it. Now he’s like, “I want to go on this show.” He’s convinced he wants to compete. I’m like, “Dad, I don’t know. If there’s like a master’s level of this, maybe we can try.”

CLAY: Is there an age limit? I mean, 75, I would imagine there aren’t a lot of 75-year-olds trying to survive by themselves in the wilderness.

BUCK: He’d do well. He was always really good in the woods. He grew up… His dad was born in South Dakota. His mother is from Virginia. That’s why.

CLAY: I would tap out. How long do you think you would last on a wilderness show? A celebrity version of this show would be really funny too. Nobody would laugh.

BUCK: I could tell you my version of this, and it would be hilarious. If we did conservative media alone, and it’s on Netflix, for anyone who hasn’t seen it, I’m telling you, it’s an addictive show. I mean, the first five days, after five days, I’d be like, “Oh, I’m hungry and I’m cold but I think I’m starting to see my abs.” Week two, I’d be like, “I’m the out. I don’t want to do this anymore.” I think I would last 10 days, max.

CLAY: I don’t think I would last one. You make me sleep outside if it’s cold? First of all, this is my vacation. I’m not spending it this way. I would tap out really fast.

BUCK: I have a rule now. I only go on vacations where I’m sleeping in a bed. I don’t do any of this on-the-ground stuff.

CLAY: I 100% agree with that, 100%. Speaking of television, I watched… I think it’s Shark Week again. Is it Shark Week? It feels like it’s always Shark Week now.

BUCK: They overdid it. Shark Week turned into, like, shark month and too much.

CLAY: I somehow missed this last year, but the Jackass crew… Did you watch Jackass back in the day on MTV?

BUCK: A little bit. I’m familiar with it.

CLAY: So they have mixed the Jackass crew… For those of you out there who remember the Jackass television show that used to air on MTV, Johnny Knoxville, all those guys, and they mixed ’em with Shark Week, and, Buck, it is one of the most addictive television program. I couldn’t stop watching. They try to think up incredibly ridiculous, dangerous situations to put them in with sharks. Last year, I think one of the guys got bit and they had to rush him to the hospital. So, I mean, they’re idiots. But knowing that they might get bit, I can’t look away, and I couldn’t stop watching last night.

BUCK: I will say maybe we’ll get some put in the show. A lot of possible entries last few days for Animal Thunderdome, I’m just gonna say.

CLAY: There are a lot of hits. A lot of hits going on.

BUCK: Summertime, one, people are out more. It’s warmer. So there’s more interaction with wildlife. You probably saw even on Fox this morning they had the humpback whale that breached and landed on the boat. The humpback whale, obviously, is not trying to hurt anybody, but it’s a big fellow.

CLAY: That’s what they said about Endurance, the book that I just finished that you suggested about Shackleton.

BUCK: It’s an amazing book.

CLAY: It’s a phenomenal book. And, again, British, not American. ‘Cause everybody’s like, “Eh.” We got Brit listeners who were offended that I was like, “Hey, this is a great American story.” They’re like, “It’s British.” They were concerned that that would happen to them when they were in those small boats trying to eventually get to civilization ’cause the whales will evidently just come up everywhere. And it’s not intentional. I don’t think the whale is trying to come up underneath the boat or land on them, but it happens every now and then.

BUCK: Yeah, sometimes you’re under the humpback whale, folks, you know it’s a bad day. You gotta watch out for that. One funny thing about doing radio, especially when it comes to the international audience is if you want to ever find out, “Do we have listeners in Wales” for example?

CLAY: Yeah.

BUCK: Just be like, “Hey, speaking of whales…” Look what I did there. Be like, “Hey, England and Wales, same thing, right?” Boom! Ten emails from the Welsh listeners that are like, “How dare you!”

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CLAY: I was down in Fort Lauderdale for the Sunshine Summit, a Florida Republican Party event. I met a lot of our listeners. I was out the to dinner with Karol Markowicz, Mollie Hemingway, Dave Rubin, Lisa Boothe.

BUCK: This is like, I was gonna say, the Yankees from, but I can’t think of the year. But, you know, whenever they had Babe Ruth.

CLAY: I was sitting there. We were all talking about what was gonna happen in the 2022 election, everything else. Over Karol and Mollie’s shoulder, Heisman Trophy winner Mark Ingram walks in, former Alabama football player, and I was like, “Sorry, I got interrupt you guys. We got a Heisman Trophy winner.” Nobody cared. I felt like… Buck, you should have there too. I didn’t even know Lisa went to the University of Tennessee, and I was like, “You should know more about this than you do,” and nobody cared about NFL royalty, basically. There’s not a lot of Heisman Trophy winners walking into the restaurant where we are.

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Biden White House Tries to Redefine Recession

25 Jul 2022

CLAY: We know that language is constantly being changed inside of the Biden administration. For instance, men can get pregnant, the definition of what a man and a woman is isn’t even set in stone and — over the weekend — the White House began to try to get their talking points out. So, to give you a little bit of a context, Thursday in the morning early, we will get the official GDP for the second quarter in this country. You’ll remember that the first quarter, that number was negative. And we have been telling you for months on this show that we believe there will be a recession and in fact that we’re already in a recession.

And the way that we’ve been defining that is by two consecutive quarters of negative economic growth is the standard definition for recession that pretty much everyone uses across the landscape of this country. So we said, “Look, we’re negative in quarter one,” and that number surprised people, and then we’ve updated you with what was likely to happen in April, May and June, and I don’t need to tell all of you how bad the economy has been, how challenging it has been from an inflation perspective — and just a growth perspective in general.

So, over the weekend on the official White House website — and I’m gonna read for you. This is the work of Jacqui Heinrich, the first person I saw do it. The White House put up a new definition of recession, really, and I want to read this — and I know you saw this, too, Buck. “What is a recession?” this is from the White House website. “While some maintain two consecutive quarters of falling real GDP constitute a recession, that is neither the official definition nor the way economists evaluate the state of the business cycle.”

Bracing for impact: Even if Thursday’s GDP report shows a second consecutive quarter of negative growth, you won’t hear the Biden admin using the R-word.

The Council of Economic Advisers is redefining what a recession is…🤔https://t.co/HHBYJKqP5V pic.twitter.com/gecR93vPPj

— Jacqui Heinrich (@JacquiHeinrich) July 24, 2022

And then there’s further definition: “Based on these data, it is unlikely the decline in GDP in the first quarter of this year — even if followed by a another GDP decline in the second quarter — indicates a recession.” Buck, this to me is clear evidence, as if we needed it at all, that the number is going to be negative on Thursday, that the second quarter GDP is going to be negative as well, and, that for purposes of this show — and anywhere else where people live with a functional brain — we will be in a recession, no matter what the White House might be trying to do to convince us that two consecutive quarters of negative GDP growth is not actually a recession.

BUCK: I can’t help but remember when the first 18 months of the Trump presidency, all we’re hearing was that it’s the Obama economy, right? That was the talking point from Democrats because all of a sudden, the stock market’s booming, business is flying, everything’s going great. And now we’re 18 months into Biden presidency and, “Oh, recession is not really a recession, everybody!” This is the exact thing you would expect, the redefinition of words, the “your lying eyes aren’t telling you what’s really going on.”

“Listen to us, not your lying eyes,” the Democrats, the Biden White House says, which is right in line with what you’d have to assume they would do here because, otherwise, what is it? What’s it going to be? What are we going to be told? Clay, they’re in a bad position even without the R-word, recession, coming into the equation. People already have super high inflation, high gas, high cost of everything. We didn’t even stop… The gas price is just the indicator.

Everything is more expensive now, and you’re seeing more and more analysis out there about how, oh, it turns out that it’s not just gas that you put in your car. It’s gas that’s necessary to get your milk and your eggs to the store, it’s gas that’s necessary — or diesel — to bring the products to the store and to make the fertilizer and to make actually a whole range of products. Petroleum, 50% of the petroleum use is actually going into stuff, not even used in oil and gas for cars.

So everything is more expensive. You add recession on to where the Democrats currently are, I mean, they’re heading in for the biggest wipeout certainly in terms of the end position, right? As you pointed out, Clay — and it’s important — because they don’t have a big lead, they don’t have as many seats to lose, but in the end state, this is gonna be looking like this is gonna be the worst position they’ve been in and certainly I think in the House in decades.

CLAY: It’s possible, depending on how exactly the numbers shake out, that Republicans will have the most House seats that they have had in a hundred years by the time the midterms are over, and that could happen with only a gain of 30-ish seats, depending on how exactly all of those seats shake out. That would be a hundred-year high for Republicans support in the House. So, there’s going to be an attempt — and you can already see it a little bit.

Taking over the House is a foregone conclusion. It’s a question of how much the House will be taken over. There’s already an attempt now to say, “Oh, it’s not as bad,” similarly to what we’re seeing the recession redefined before our very eyes. Buck, if you and I had come on at the end of the year and we had said in December, “Hey, inflation’s gonna be 9%,” this is just six months ago, “and we’re also gonna have two consecutive quarters of negative GDP growth, first quarter, second quarter.”

People would have lost their mind at that prediction, and it would have been a clear indication that we were going to go into a recession. We have been telling people — and I think we’re gonna be right when this number comes out on Thursday — that second quarter GDP was likely to be down as well. For several months we’ve been saying, “When that happens, we’re officially in a recession,” for all intents and purposes, based on the way that recessions are defined for decades. And now suddenly the Biden White House is saying, “Oh, technically…” and it’s true. “Technically there is a committee that assesses a wide range of factors and then says oftentimes after you’re no longer in the recession, ‘Oh, we actually had a recession.’” For everyone else we can just look at the GDP and say, “When you go negative, that’s a recession.”

BUCK: I also want to just state this. I want this to be something that we’re all thinking about. Put this on the record: The Democrats deserve this. I mean, they deserve the coming electoral shellacking. They deserve to get crushed, to have people who are elected representatives lose their jobs as they currently have them, lose their elected position. Go get a real job! They deserve to face the wrath of voters. Joe Biden and…

Remember, Biden we can use as a stand in here for the Democrats, the Pelosi in the House. They said they’d do a better job on covid, that they would unite the country, that we would return to normalcy. They were the most divisive, really, imaginable, especially around the issue of covid. Joe Biden was saying was “a pandemic of the unvaccinated.” A federal vaccine mandate that the Supreme Court had to stop. And the fundamental promise of the Biden administration was, “I’m not gonna shut down the economy; I’m gonna shut down the virus.’

CLAY: Yes.

BUCK: That’s actually the inverse of what happened. She’s shutting down the economy, he’s destroying the economy with all the spending and all the regulation and also all the anti-energy sentiment and government action, and obviously they didn’t shut down the virus. We were all very aware it’s still spreading around. Joe Biden has covid right now, so it’s pretty clear he didn’t shut down the virus. And remember, Clay, in the first couple years of the Trump presidency, what was the maniacal mangra — unbelievable… Markets booming, country’s at peace. What was the big focus? Russiagate.

CLAY: Yes.

BUCK: So if you’re looking at the result, results of the Trump presidency 18 months in are things are going great and things are way beyond the expectations the media said. Results of the Biden presidency, it’s not that bad, we promised.

CLAY: Here’s Janet Yellen, by the way, your Treasury secretary, saying, “Hey, a common definition of ‘recession,’ is two negative quarters of GDP growth.” Listen to this.

Treasury Secretary Janet Yellen: “A common definition of recession is two negative quarters of GDP growth”

“Many economists expect second quarter GDP to be negative. First quarter GDP was negative.” pic.twitter.com/UsKdYCGdEj

— RNC Research (@RNCResearch) July 24, 2022

CLAY: (laughing) Buck, it really is amazing how they all get their talking points in line. They went out this weekend… Again, the number comes out on Thursday, and there are going to be a lot of people — the New York Times, Washington Post, MSNBC, CNN — who will accept that two consecutive negative quarters of GDP is not a recession because the Biden White House is trying to spin that this doesn’t qualify as a recession.

BUCK: Did you ever…? In the early days, did you ever watch the earlier scenes of American Idol?

CLAY: No.

BUCK: You didn’t? You didn’t watch it?

CLAY: I never watched. I’m the like the most tone-deaf person. I’ve never watched an episode of American Idol. I’m very familiar with what the show does.

BUCK: I would guess in terms of our audience, 75% of the audience has at least watched one episode of it.

CLAY: I agree. Wildly popular.

BUCK: In the early days, I used to watch it with my parents. It started, like, 2000, whatever, early 2000s. Anyway, I bring it up just because one of the most amazing things, one of the more entertaining things was that in every season there was somebody who would come up there who was absolutely horrible.

CLAY: Yeah, I know that. Yes.

BUCK: But their attitude to the judges was, “Oh, yeah, you think I’m out of tune? You think I’m not good? I’ll come back here when I’m quadruple platinum and you guys will be sorry.” And they were laughing and the whole thing.

CLAY: Yeah.

BUCK: That is the Biden administration economy. They are the American idol contestant who’s like, “You don’t understand how genius I actually am!” Nah. The American people are hearing it, and they realize way out of tune. It’s not good.

CLAY: Well, and here’s what they’re really afraid of, Buck. By the time we get third quarter GDP, everything’s gonna be completely baked in. And they know that going out and saying we’re in a recession and we have 9% inflation rate, nothing else really matters. I mean, this is James Carville back in 1992 famously said, “It’s the economy, stupid,” about Clinton versus Bush Sr. and Ross Perot back in that election. Nothing else is going to matter when we are in a recession, which we will be — come Thursday — officially, I believe.

And also, we already know we have 9.1% inflation. Everything else is a desperate attempt to make people not see what is directly in front of their face every time they go to a gas station, a grocery store, a convenience market. Wherever you are, you can feel that cost. It is real, and that failure of the economy — and so whether you’re trying to make it abortion or January 6th or really any other distraction, it’s not gonna work.

BUCK: Also, it’s worth noting that Bush would have won that election if Ross Perot had not run as an independent. Something to keep in the back of our minds here as we enter another presidential cycle. Bill Clinton only became president ’cause Ross Perot got almost 19% of the vote.

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BUCK: Denial about inflation. Denial about the recession. Well put there by former Trump economic adviser Kevin Hassett. This is exactly where they are. It’s not only that they don’t have a plan to fix it, which is obvious. I think, Clay, the bigger challenge for the Democrats is that the things that they would normally do, and we know this. The reflexive, “Okay, what do we do? What do we do? Let’s raise taxes and effectively push socialism a little more,” right? “Let’s try to spend a little more money.” Aat a time of super high inflation, raise taxes, redistributing the wealth is somehow going to increase the wealth and turn this situation around, which would actually make it all worse.

CLAY: Yeah. And we should mention not that it’s continuing to be news, but Joe Manchin has now tested positive for covid as well. “Why is that significant?” you might be saying. Joe Biden seems like he’s gonna be perfectly fine —

BUCK: Of course.

CLAY: — according to the latest updates, as virtually everyone is. But Joe Manchin being out means that the Senate keeps having guys test positive for covid, which means if they’re trying to break through the 50-50 logjam, senators have to be on the floor to be able to vote. So Manchin now is gonna be out for the rest of this week. I believe the Senate is in session next week. But the way things are going, somebody else is gonna test positive. My point here is…

I’m not sure, because of this covid ridiculousness, that Democrats are even going to be able to put forth 50 votes to get anything passed before they go on to their August recess. And then they come back in September for relatively short period. This is all somewhat beneficial, Buck, ’cause we’ve been arguing for a long time the best thing Republicans can do right now is just keep Democrats have passing any more awful bills and then win the House and you can’t have anything passed for the next two years.

BUCK: “Do no harm,” Democrats, which means do nothing.

CLAY: Unfortunate, because as bad as things are right now for Joe Biden, imagine how much worse they’d have been if he actually got Build Back Better passed. It’s all absolutely absurd.

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