A Clear Self-Defense Case in New York City

7 Jul 2022

BUCK: There was this in New York City, and it’s now catching national attention because of a lot of what I think people are feeling right now is, there is a — among woke progressive prosecutors, there seems to be this — desire to go soft on criminals. Meaning either don’t charge them at all, dismiss the charges, give them minimal charges, or let them get out early. There’s just this attitude within the criminal justice apparatus of the left where they are in charge, which is now pretty much every major city.

As I said, Clay, I checked in on this one with our buddies Michael Berry and Jesse Kelly. Houston even has a progressive prosecutor now. This is not just a thing that’s happening in cities in the blue states. It’s all over the place. Here’s the situation, and it’s a self-defense case that is already being treated as a murder by Alvin Bragg, the new district attorney here in New York City. A man named Jose Alba, 62 years old — almost a senior citizen — was working in his bodega. Now, for those who aren’t familiar with bodegas, it’s very much like a deli or a small grocery store.

Wild video shows NYC bodega worker allegedly stabbing man to death https://t.co/L9hT8MXIye pic.twitter.com/KjkxbhI2Ki

— New York Post (@nypost) July 5, 2022

We call them bodegas here in New York City and so that’s how I’ll be referring to it. Just common parlance here in New York. So, he’s a bodega employee, and he was doing his job, he’s behind the counter, and there is some kind of disagreement with a woman who is the girlfriend now of the deceased who apparently tried to buy a bag of potato chips for her daughter. Her debit card was declined, and the store employee said, “Give the chips back.

“You have not paid for them, and if you cannot pay for them. You must give them back.” According to police, then the woman produced — pulled — a knife out of her handbag. There was a scuffle, and she ran out of the store to call on her boyfriend for help. Her boyfriend, now dead — this guy Simon — was on parole at the time for attacking a police officer. So, this is a person with a violent criminal history. State records also show that he had spent time in various New York prison facilities previously.

Clay, this is all on video. We’re putting the video up at ClayAndBuck.com so people can see it themselves. You should see this video. This individual… Remember, he’s already — this guy’s an employee, Jose Alba, okay? He’s been working there for decades, apparently a very well respected and liked member of his community. No criminal record, never had a problem of any kind, and this guy Simon goes in and assaults him. It’s all on video. He shoves him into the stack, gets physical with him.

Alba tries to go — and this is behind the employee desk. Alba tries to go around him and then — and then Austin Simon, 37-year-old ex-con, attacks him again. And Jose Alba pulls out a knife, and stabs twice, defends himself. Simon dies. Clay, Jose Alba, the employee here, is facing second-degree murder charges right now and being held in Rikers Island Correctional Facility. People are outraged, and I think we all see what’s going on here.

CLAY: It’s gonna be a big story to the extent that it’s not already. A couple of other details: Bail, $250,000, which is a really not surprisingly high number.

BUCK: Originally it was half a million. They lowered it.

CLAY: Yeah, and maybe they’ve increased it since then — I’m reading from the Daily Mail — and this is also important, I think, Buck. The family launched a GoFundMe.

BUCK: Sorry, they asked the judge for half a million — pardon — and then it was set at 250. Go ahead.

CLAY: The family launched a GoFundMe to try to raise money so they could bail him out. They had raised $20,000, and then GoFundMe pulled their fundraising capability, much like they did for the Kyle Rittenhouse case, because GoFundMe basically decides if there’s anything that’s the least bit controversial that BLM is upset about, that is going against the prevailing left-wing orthodoxy, they will pull it back. So, the case is going — this is according to the Daily Mail, again — in front of a grand jury on Saturday.

This is going to be everywhere, is my prediction. You saw the story ’cause this is New York City — and, again, it’s all on video. You can watch this; everybody can effectively be their own juror and determine what they believe is appropriate or inappropriate. The racial dynamics at play here — let’s be honest — are significant because the guy that got stabbed is black. The bodega employee, I’m assuming is Hispanic based on his name?

BUCK: Jose Alba, yes.

CLAY: Based on his name. So, you’ve got that dynamic that is at play as well. You’ve got the location here, Buck, which you could speak to better than I could, but it’s a Harlem bodega, right?

BUCK: It’s in a heavily black and Hispanic neighborhood.

CLAY: Neighborhood. You have the past history of this individual who was stabbed, and that will be much debated in terms of admissibility in the event that this is a criminal trial. But you also have Alvin Bragg, who has typically been — and, again, you’re in New York City so you can speak to this very well, but I follow it. Let’s say “soft on crime,” right? He has not charged people to the utmost, by and large, when they are accused of misconduct, accused of criminal activity. And here, the book’s getting thrown at this guy!

Now, I think it’s gonna be a really difficult case, right, for New York City in general because I think this guy has the right to defend himself. So, I can look at this from the perspective of what exactly is going on. But what was being said? You can’t hear, right? There’s no audio on this video that I have seen so far. That certainly goes a long way towards implicating self-defense because if the guy’s saying, “Hey, I’m gonna kill you ’cause of how you treated my girlfriend,” that certainly plays in here.

BUCK: Yeah.

CLAY: The age, the size, the positioning — all of this is going to be factored — ’cause everybody can watch it for themselves and make their own decisions.

BUCK: I’ve had some use of force training from the government in the past, and I can tell you that when you have someone who is bigger and stronger, who has already… Remember, he’s coming in, in effect here, to finish off the fight that his girlfriend wrongly started, flashed a knife, which brings a weapon into the case immediately. So, what we’re asking this individual, Jose Alba, to do here is to hope that the knife that has already been used to threaten him is not now in the hands of this guy who wasn’t even there, who’s a violent felon, who is clearly a guy who has an anger problem.

CLAY: He didn’t enter the store with good intentions.

BUCK: Right, clearly didn’t enter the store ’cause he wanted to have a nice chat with him. He assaulted him once physically, and then the guy tries to get away. He didn’t use the knife the first time, and then he wanted to assault him again behind the counter in the store. If this isn’t self-defense, what is self-defense? What is the City of New York asking Jose Alba to do here? Is it to wait until you get stabbed and then you’re allowed to defend yourself?

Is it to wait until you’re already bleeding out and about to die and then maybe you can use lethal force? I see this instance, and you come away from this thinking, Democrats really only want to throw the book, it seems, when it comes to use of force at people who are defending themselves in some of these cases! The Kyle Rittenhouse thing, for example.

Kyle Rittenhouse was on video defending himself. They charged him with murder. In this case, this is clear video. Charging him with second-degree murder? Not even manslaughter. Second-degree murder? It is outrageous, but, you know, the attitude of the Democrats now, Clay, is you gotta let people go in your store, steal your stuff, and rough you up. That’s the way we have to live.

CLAY: Let’s be honest here. It’s identity politics.

BUCK: Yeah!

CLAY: To me, GoFundMe taking down his ability to raise money to defend himself… We have not spent — and I mean as a society — enough time talking about the powers of Big Tech to determine — this is me being a lawyer here. Why should everyone who wants to donate money to a legal defense fund for this individual not be able to do so? Why should GoFundMe which allows legal defense money to be raised in left-wing cases all the time not have gotten more criticism for the Kyle Rittenhouse case?

And when you’re talking about a $250,000 bail, why should this family not be entitled to try to raise money using the GoFundMe platform as well? And for people who’ve listened to this show regularly, you know that I have donated to the criminal defense fund of the January 6th prisoners. We’ve got people who are still in solitary confinement who have not been able to have justice in that case over 18 months after they were allegedly committing a crime.

Regardless of what your politics are, we have really — and this is the ACLU, this is the legal defense community in general. Remember, Buck, John Adams defended the British soldiers who were accused of committing the Boston Massacre, not because he agreed with their behavior, but because the responsibility of a lawyer is to provide zealous defense for his client. How can you not allow that client to be hired?

BUCK: The left does not believe that the enemies of social justice deserve a legal defense.

CLAY: That’s right.

BUCK: That is bottom line. That is the truth. It is the truth now with the ACLU. It is the truth with the Democrat Party. It is the truth of prosecutors as well in cities like New York. You see an instance like this and you say to yourself, this all ties in to what we saw for a while, if you remember. In San Francisco there started to be these news editorials. Don’t call the police when someone’s robbing her house. That might incur violence against a person of color who is committing a nonviolent crime.

Those were real editorials, folks. I’m not making this up. There was a sentiment. The social justice left tells people, “Don’t tackle anybody or physically block anyone who’s engaging in grand theft larceny from your store. Let them take it! It’s just property. Why would you use violence — and in this case, violence disproportionately that may target communities of color?” This is the thinking of the left. They say it out loud, and so when you get a prosecutor like this, it’s, “Just let them steal the bag of potato chips!” It’s almost like he started it by not letting them have the chips. In the mind of Alvin Bragg, you started it by not letting someone steal from you quietly.

CLAY: Well, and I would say, too, Buck, is that self-defense is about the mind of the self-defender. In other words, what threats did they perceive. How do you not allow, in your mind, the rise of violence in New York City to not also go into the level of fear that you feel when there are random acts of violence and crimes skyrocketing all over your city — probably your neighborhood as well — when you are working in that shop.

All of that is part of the decision that you are making when in that spur of the moment you act. And again, that video is out there. A lot of you… I had not seen this until you shared it with me, Buck, when we set down to start the show today. I think this is going to become a major, major story before all is said and done, because the identities involved, because there’s a video and everybody can sit down and be their own juror.

BUCK: And it’s close video. You see everything.

CLAY: Yeah.

BUCK: There’s no, “Oh, but it cuts here or there that you can’t see what’s going on.” You see everything.

CLAY: It’s New York City where the media covers things, as you well know, more aggressively than they do in other parts of the country. You’ve got the Alvin Bragg angle. You’ve got GoFundMe pulling the ability for this guy to raise defense funds. This is gonna be a really big story.

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Joe Biden Is Like a Bullcrap Conveyor Belt

7 Jul 2022

CLAY: This is not going to surprise any of you. The rapid, I would say, rats fleeing from the ship of the Biden administration continues to accelerate as Joe Biden’s floundering and trying to explain away what is going on with this economy continues to not land in any kind of significant way. Just moments ago, before we came on the air, Reuters — not exactly a Republican-favoring polling company — announced that Joe Biden has equaled his all-time low in support.

Thirty-six percent of Americans right now support Joe Biden. I actually believe that is likely too high. As a part of that 36% approval, the economy is overwhelmingly the number one issue in the country right now, as everyone is struggling with 8.6% inflation. And Joe Biden is floundering, trying to explain why his administration — despite everything that you see — has actually been a success.

I want to listen to what Biden said about how awful the economy was when he was elected. By the way, inflation was around 1.5% when Joe Biden came into office, but he says people couldn’t even find things to eat. That might be a surprise to moms out there who still can’t find baby formula. Here’s Joe Biden saying, “You couldn’t even find food when I got elected!”

President Biden: “Previous administration lost more jobs on its watch than any administration since Herbert Hoover. That’s a fact.” https://t.co/tkUwwJhKnm pic.twitter.com/7jrrrmoYd7

— The Hill (@thehill) July 7, 2022

BUCK: He is like a bullcrap conveyor belt. It just keeps on coming, Clay. It’s hard to even pick out the individual falsehoods. You’re overwhelmed by it. You can’t actually deal with all the incoming. It’s crazy this stuff that he’s trying to get people to believe now. But the only alternative, the only thing that he could do otherwise would be to pivot and admit that some of the things that have done were really dumb and really destructive and made things worse. And in doing so they would be implicitly — whether they say it or not — admitting that people on the other side who were saying, “Hey, lockdowns are terrible.

“You should get out of them as soon as possible. Hey, vaccine mandates are a bad idea. Hey, $1.9 trillion of spending when we’re already through the worst of the pandemic is crazy.” Those people were all right. The problem is they don’t want to give any credibility to that because that means there might be an even bigger shift in power. I do think, though, Clay, you know, ’cause we’ll be talking more about this today, every day now it just feels a little bit like the Democrat legions in the media are having more and more desertions from the field of muster, more and more people kind of going, “I’m putting down my sword and my shield here. I don’t really want to fight for Team Biden anymore.”

CLAY: I think that’s exactly the story as we move closer and closer to the midterms. And it’s important to note when Biden says, “Trump had the worst economy since…” No. In February of 2020 before covid hit, the United States had the strongest economy in the history of our country — lowest unemployment rate, virtually nonexistent inflation — and the places that have actually recovered, after the Democrat-enforced lockdowns that lasted for far longer have actually been red states. But Biden is lying about that.

He’s also claiming — and this is significant, because this is going to be one of his arguments now. He’s gonna say Republicans are the reason for the economic failures that are going on right now. They’re not letting Democrats pass the legislation which would change this, when the reality is — and I want all of you to listen closely here. Remember, if Build Back Better had passed, as bad as inflation is now (8.6%), we’re talking about inflation that could be 15%. And here’s Biden saying, “Republicans are obstructing us!” Thank God Republicans are obstructing Democrats because otherwise the worst inflation in most of our lives would be far worse.

Listen to Joe Biden talk about obstruction.

Biden: “Republicans do nothing but obstruct our effort to lower your gas taxes, lower your food prices, lower your healthcare costs, lower your prescription drug costs.” pic.twitter.com/W3y1KOnehL

— Greg Price (@greg_price11) July 6, 2022

BUCK: I mean, Clay —

CLAY: It’s just laughable. First of all, his own party doesn’t support much of what he’s trying to push through because it’s all a scam. Do away with the federal gas tax? Okay. It might save you 10, 15 cents on a gallon of gas.

BUCK: This is him throwing pennies at the peasants and expecting them to be grateful, and everyone’s looking at him saying, “Look, old man, this is not okay. You need to stop just continuing with talking points.” There’s a level of believability that you need for even government propaganda, right? Democrats, there are things they can get away with. For example — and we’ve said this before — what he’s doing right now, what Biden is claiming, “They’re standing in my way! I do all these amazing things!” That is straight out of the Obama playbook. This is what Obama did going into that big midterm election in 2010.

CLAY: Shellacking in 2010.

BUCK: It’s, “Oh, they’re not…” Remember, they did have… They did have plenty. They had a supermajority, in fact, right? So, they were able to get through Obamacare, they were able to get through stuff. And then once the Obama administration didn’t have anything left that they were able to push. Once they got beaten down so badly in those midterms, it turned into obstruction. “Oh, they’re obstructing.”

That at least resonated because Republicans were saying we’re not going along with your crazy agenda. Thank God, by the way. With Biden, as you pointed out, the agenda is the problem, and everyone sees it, because the agenda is entirely based upon spending a whole heck of a lot more money and as you mentioned yesterday, probably taxing people a whole lot more too —

CLAY: That’s the fear right now.

BUCK: — a guaranteed way to push us not into a recession that kind of like an “ouch” recession but an “Oh, my gosh” recession. You raise taxes dramatically on corporations and individuals right now? Big problems ahead.

CLAY: And a lot of people are not aware that that’s what they’re trying to do. There’s a certain level of acknowledgment right now that Democrats are going to lose the House, may lose the Senate. We’ll see how a lot of those races turn out. But they’re not gonna be able to pass any substantial economic agenda that Joe Biden would like to be able to pass, and if in fact that is going to occur, they’re basically saying:

“Let’s just go ahead and pass whatever we can right now ’cause who knows when we’ll control the House, the Senate, and also the White House?” That is particularly cynical because it may take a long time for Republicans to control the House, the Senate, and the White House as well; so whatever tax increases pass, Buck, could last for years because there may not be able to be the votes to pass it and overturn whatever gets passed right now in July in advance of the midterms.

BUCK: And isn’t it interesting that — speaking of Obama for a second here — you don’t see him coming out all fired up in defense of the Biden administration, which, I think it would help with the Democrat base to be sure, right? Obama will put out some tweet about climate change. Right? He will use the megaphone sometimes, and I just wonder.

I just wonder if already there’s some understanding in the real Democrat Party power centers of, “Don’t waste your energy and don’t waste your political capital on this White House. We might need it for the next Democrat White House,” ‘cause to your earlier point, the media is already pulling away a little bit. But some of the big voices in the Democrat Party, they’re not all saying what a great job Biden’s done. Hillary Clinton, even, for whatever she brings to the table, she’s not saying Joe Biden’s done a great job. No one’s saying he’s done a great job.

CLAY: That matters. Obama’s smart, and I think Hillary Clinton is smart. You can agree or disagree with their political opinions.

BUCK: Yeah. Hillary is evil but smart. Sure.

CLAY: They are intelligent people. I think they don’t have respect for Joe Biden’s intellectual acumen. I always thought it was significant that Obama didn’t endorse Joe Biden at all in 2020 until he had already gathered and gained the nomination. So, he wasn’t willing, despite the fact that he served alongside of Joe Biden for eight years. Hillary Clinton’s not running then. There aren’t really that many people who were involved in the Biden administration at all who were throwing punches and viable candidates in the 2020 Democratic primaries. I think that Obama did not endorse Biden because he doesn’t respect his intellect, and the same reason that he picked Hillary as his would-be successor in 2015 and essentially kicked Biden to the curb ’cause he doesn’t respect him as an actual leader.

BUCK: I do think that with Biden they just, in the pandemic year, while BLM mobs were burning down cities or areas in cities and going on, all the stuff that we saw, it was a really destabilizing year for the American psyche. I think that they just figured this old grandpa-like guy that everyone knows who’s always got this grin on his face and we’re gonna tell everybody he’s a moderate even though he’s actually a Trojan horse for the left — which we said and that has turned out to be true.

But we can make this guy something he’s not when everyone’s so scared that they just want that national father or grandfather figure, in essence — and everyone hates Trump so much ’cause he’s so scary and bad and the pandemic’s his fault! You go back and you think about the psychology of it, this was the only… We had a once-in-a-century pandemic that created a once in a century opportunity for Joe Biden to actually be the president. All the emails about their cheating and everything else, I get it, I know. But we’re dealing with the reality of what actually happened here in terms of he is the president right now, and it’s not going well.

CLAY: Well, he’s the president like Jimmy Carter was the president, and this is where I think the analogy historically makes a lot of sense. Jimmy Carter was an accidental president. He was president because Richard Nixon had Watergate happen, and whoever the Democrats put forward in 1976 was gonna win. The reason why Joe Biden won is because of covid. If covid doesn’t happen, Trump wins — I really do believe — a landslide election. The reason why suburban women turned on Donald Trump was because he was not empathetic enough in the midst of covid and they bought the argument that Joe Biden put forward which was, “I’ll solve covid.”

BUCK: Right. Now people that are walking around double masked with their N95 they’re doing it as either a show of what is honestly an anxiety disorder or political allegiance, but in 2020, I knew a lot of people who were, like, “Look better safe than sorry. I’m concerned.”

CLAY: Yeah.

BUCK: That’s a different thing. In the beginning, the first month of the pandemic, there are a couple of times in my building I put on rubber gloves. I was like, “They keep saying you touch anything, I don’t want to get this stuff in my eye or whatever. I don’t want to get it.” So I’m not pretending like we had all the answers then. People were scared. Joe Biden was America’s grandpa. And now we find out he’s actually a jerk, and he’s incompetent, and he’s not America’s grandpa, and the Democrats are realizing this too.

CLAY: Well, and we’ve got a huge number of people right now that are listening to us that I believe voted for Joe Biden. I really do believe, every single day —

BUCK: That’s quite a claim, Mr. Travis.

CLAY: I really believe it, because I think a lot of people bought into the fear, I think they bought into the hype, and I think now they’re seeing how much of a disaster Biden is, and they’re looking for rationality, they’re looking for reasonableness, they’re looking for sanity in an insane world, and where else are you gonna go?

BUCK: Look at some of the Republicans governors out there. Not just Ron DeSantis. We give him plenty of credit. Let’s just be honest. What we say about Ron DeSantis on this show is just reflecting the reality of the results in his state. Other states… We’ve got Governor Stitt coming on from Oklahoma. Oklahoma’s done very well. Your home state. We’ve had Governor Lee on.

CLAY: The fastest growing state in America right now.

BUCK: He’s done very well. So we’ve had these models of red governance, of Republican governance, things are great. And you got Biden at the top of the whole system, things are trash. I think people are figuring this out.

CLAY: Yeah. And white, black, Asian, Hispanic — some of whom who bought into the Biden hype or were just turned off by the cosmetic aspects of Trump. As you’ll see a lot of people say now, “Would you rather have 8.6% inflation or mean tweets? Would you rather have war in Europe or mean tweets?” A lot of people are saying, “Eh, mean tweets aren’t really that bad compared to every time I go to the grocery store.”

BREAK TRANSCRIPT

ANA CABRERA: His remarks come as members of his own party and key supporters are getting more frustrated. They are questioning if the White House can muster the urgency to deal with huge challenges from the economy to the Supreme Court overturning Roe v. Wade. And the rattled confidence is wide-spread. The Monmouth poll just found 88% of Americans think the U.S. is on the wrong track. That’s an all-time low, and the respondents’ top concern? Inflation!

BUCK: Welcome back to Clay and Buck. That was the CNN prompter reader telling you what everyone’s feeling. And if you are seeing some of the polling, you know the data too: 88% think the country is on the wrong track. Now, look, we need to keep on speaking the truth here. This is what we do. We tell everybody what you’re not gonna be hearing from the New York Times, CNN, the Washington Post, et cetera, about this Biden administration and trying to actually hold them to account.

BREAK TRANSCRIPT

CONWAY: Democrats are cutting loose Biden and Harris — and look, the vast right-wing conspiracy are not the source of these quotes, and all the usual bogeymen that the Democrats and liberals and Biden and Harris and the rest of them have always used as a stalking horse — blaming this one, that one — they can’t do it anymore. You know, Joe Biden won because he wasn’t Trump, but he needed Trump and he needed covid to continue the juice in his presidency. And without being able to talk about either one or blame either one day by day, he’s lost. He’s completely bereft.

BUCK: There you have Kellyanne Conway, who is an astute political observer, and I think she’s nailing it on this one. Carrie’s reading her memoir, by the way, and says it’s quite good. I know we had her on.

CLAY: She’s a hundred percent right on that take.

BUCK: Oh, she’s absolutely spot-on here. She really gets it, and the entire regime media has billed itself as, effectively, an oppositional weapon, and for four years of Trump that was their only speed, and now what we’ve seen is that could only work for a certain period after you take over. It does remind me also of the way that they tried… I’ll never forget this. You remember going into the midterms for Trump, they were referring to it as “the Obama economy”?

And everyone’s like, “Guys, come on. It’s the midterms!” You’re not allowed to pretend that the guy in charge isn’t really in charge because things are going so well and in fact that’s quite a vote of confidence, in a sense, or, rather, a clear proof of how excellent things were. But I do think that they are struggling right now to even come up with what they’re trying to sell, which I can’t remember the last time, ’cause they sold so much fear and panic over covid and Trump. And now what are they gonna do? Because those are things that don’t work for them the way they did even a year ago.

CLAY: My concern — and I hope he doesn’t do this — is that Trump is going to jump in and announce that he’s running for reelection in 2024 before the midterms are here, because then — you’re right, and Kellyanne Conway is right, and many of you out there listening to us right now are —

BUCK: Look, the Kellyanne Conway analysis is astute on this point and you’re going to see Democrats continue going forward to pretend that they’re something other than a Trump-opposition apparatus because people have real problems right now, and pointing it Trump and pointing to Putin, that is another reflexive thing that the Democrats are engaged in now. It’s always Putin’s fault, and that’s because they use this against Trump.

They really have these two things simultaneously that they can’t escape from now, which is the opposition to all things Trump but also tying it into being a Putin puppet and all this stuff. It’s just blather! Everyone’s sitting around the country going, “What is this?” I know this makes no sense, but this is the reality of the apparatus of the media supporting Biden right now. It doesn’t even hold up. They can’t sell it. I never think to myself we can get complacent, because I’m sure they’ve got something in mind.

I’m sure they’re gonna roll something out after the August recess, and we’re gonna hear a lot more about class warfare and about “racism in America” and things, the usual stuff where Democrats are trying to manipulate people’s emotions. But we stay the course here, friends. We stick to the truth. We stay mobilized and motivated, and the repudiation that Democrats so richly deserve… Oh, my gosh, they all deserve — all these Democrats deserve — to lose their jobs. So, hopefully, a lot of them will.

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60K National Guard Reservists Fired for Refusing Covid Vax

7 Jul 2022

BUCK: There are other things going on, though, beyond just the Biden White House being awful at its job — although this is, in a sense, very directly tied to that awfulness. You know, Clay, as of today, over 60,000 Reserve National Guard soldiers have been effectively fired.

CLAY: Yeah.

BUCK: They have been cut off from pay and benefits for refusal to get a vaccine that they do not need, that does not stop the spread — and Biden is not only letting this happen, made this happen.

CLAY: Well, Biden wanted to mandate that every basic employee in America had to get the covid vaccine. It’s only the United States Supreme Court that stood up against his unconstitutional overreach in terms of trying to mandate everyone. This should be… I would love to hear from people out there who may be in the Reserves who are making this choice.

BUCK: Yes.

CLAY: 800-282-2882. You can call us. The covid shot, if you heard us talk with Alex Berenson yesterday, is designed for a variant of the virus that isn’t even still out there. So the shot that you were getting now is absolutely worthless against BA.5 right now, which is what’s spreading.

BUCK: It’s like mandating a flu vaccine from three or four flu seasons ago.

CLAY: Yes. That’s right.

BUCK: That’s what they’re doing right now.

BREAK TRANSCRIPT

CLAY: We went to break we were discussing all of the different soldiers out there in the reserves who are theoretically going to be losing their jobs because they’re not willing to accede to a covid vaccine mandate. ‘Cause you’ll remember the Supreme Court, Buck, upheld the ability for the federal government vaccine mandate, I believe, if I remember it exactly. And also health employees, people like that were allowed — the mandates were allowed — to exist.

But the overall mandate from OSHA, if you’ll recall, that’s where it came from, was not allowed for the vast majority of employees, but there’s still lots of people out there who did face the “Get the covid shot or you lose your job” choice. And crazily, even though we now know that the covid shots don’t stop or prevent the spread of covid, we’re still requiring relatively young, healthy people in our Reserves. Up to 60,000 of them are losing their jobs — and putting that into context, 58,000, I believe, is the number of people who died in Vietnam. So effectively we’re just slicing our overall defense infrastructure by 60,000 soldiers? It’s crazy.

BUCK: At a time when —

CLAY: We may need ’em.

BUCK: — we’re just getting more and more indicators from the top of the national security apparatus, including you mentioned this, the FBI and MI5, which is the British equivalent of the FBI and then a little more than that, ’cause the domestic intelligence organization, not just a law enforcement organization. But they’re talking about the threat of China and how pervasive it is. It’s not just a military threat. It’s an economic and political and influence operation all over the world challenge for us.

We now have a military where the top brass will go on lectures about the need for diversity and inclusion to include changing standards, to include women in frontline combat roles, changing the standards so they can meet those standards, the trans agenda all across the military — and we’re firing over 60,000 Guard soldiers because they won’t get a shot they don’t need, that doesn’t protect anybody else because they can still all get — and probably have — gotten covid. This is crazy stuff.

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Hunter Biden is seen filming himself smoking drugs and fondling himself inside a sensory deprivation tank – during a detox program funded by his dad Joe https://t.co/FAEtd5mGO1

— Daily Mail Online (@MailOnline) July 7, 2022

UK Daily Mail: Naked Hunter Biden filmed himself smoking ‘crack’, drinking hard seltzer, and fondling himself while floating inside a sensory deprivation tank – one month after convincing dad Joe to wire him $20,000 for his detox program

Breitbart: GDP Stalling and Inflation Still Soaring: ‘Bout of Stagflation’

Breitbart: Breitbart Business Digest: When the Facts Change, Will the Fed?

Still wondering why gas is nearly $5? Watch this. pic.twitter.com/e1usgfbVEU

— RNC Research (@RNCResearch) July 6, 2022

UK Daily Mail: Now progressives in the White House are furious at Biden’s bid to focus on inflation because they fear it will plunge the U.S. into recession and undercut THEIR policies including expanded child care and lower prescription drug costs

New York Post: Compliant media can’t protect Hunter Biden forever

Same as it ever was. pic.twitter.com/de0lUqobjm

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Last August @alexberenson was permanently banned from @Twitter. Then he sued and proved the ban violated Twitter’s own terms. Huge win & precedent for many others: https://t.co/PoxzfvBeVt

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New York Post: Crimo dad washes hands of guilt but talked with son about a mass shooting night before Highland Park massacre

HotAir: Uvalde mayor slams state law enforcement for “cover-up” in school shooting investigation

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The Dutch government is shutting down farms to “save the climate” while the lib media here wants you to start replacing burgers with bugs

All sane people need to wake up to the nihilism that is behind all this before it’s too late https://t.co/B7z3PWceF1

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Arizona Gov. @DougDucey responds to Biden's lawsuit against the state's election integrity laws: "You have to be a citizen…and you should be alive on the day that you vote."

"If the Biden administration wants to challenge that, we'll see them in court." pic.twitter.com/UDLJ0Snn7a

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91 seconds of Joe Biden forgetting names.pic.twitter.com/GxAvvpERpd

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6 Jul 2022

BUCK: Thanks for rolling with us and our special guest today, friend of the show. We’ve been with him in the bunker dealing with the onslaught of Fauciite madness now from the very beginning of the Clay and Buck show — and before that on Clay’s show and The Buck Sexton Show, our two shows respectively — and he’s had a big win. Alex Berenson with us now, author of so many things, a great Substack, Unreported Truths about Covid-19, Pandemia is his book — and apparently, sir, you have a Twitter account again.

BERENSON: I do! I’m back from the dead. I’m no longer a hungry ghost.

BUCK: Tell everybody why it’s a big deal because for those of you who work in the media, we’re like, “Wow. They actually let him have his Twitter account back.”

BERENSON: So last August, 28, I was banned, Twitter’s banned other people, but I was banned, I got my fifth strike supposedly for covid misinformation. And, you know, that leads to a permanent suspension. And, you know, other people — many other people — have been suspended, mostly on the right. I mean, I don’t consider myself, you know, conservative, but most people, you know, either on the right or who’ve raised questions about covid and the vaccines have been suspended in the last couple years.

Shady’s back.

Tell a friend.

For the full story of my reinstatment, including @Twitter‘s acknowledgment of error, see my Substack.https://t.co/SgXfocIFiQ

— Alex Berenson (@AlexBerenson) July 6, 2022

There’s also been trans, you know, anti-trans or people who, you know, raised questions about trans issues have been suspended. Okay. In general, when people have been suspended, there’s been no route back for them. You know, Donald Trump was suspended, famously had 90 million followers, president of the United States, he couldn’t get back on. He sued. His suit was dismissed. This has been the case for basically everybody. I sued last December, and my suit in April survived the motion to dismiss, which Twitter filed.

Twitter tried to get it dismissed. Now, this is… I had some communications with a Twitter executive in which he told me, “Hey, you know, we are — we are basically okay with what you’re doing,” for a while, and then that stopped. But. But here’s why this is so significant. So other people don’t have those communications. They don’t have representatives from Twitter saying, “You know what? Like, we’re okay.” But the real reason the judge allowed my lawsuit to go forward wasn’t just that.

It was that he said, “Look. If Twitter’s gonna have a five-strike policy about misinformation, then it has to show that it applied that. Now, if Twitter’s gonna say, ‘We can just kick you off whatever we want for no good reason; it doesn’t matter how many followers you have. We’re Twitter or we’re Facebook, we can do whatever we want under Section 230 of the Communications Decency Act which is a federal law that protects these companies,’ then okay, then they’re gonna say that.

“But if they’re gonna say, ‘We actually have rules. We don’t do things randomly,’ then they have to follow those rules, and I’m gonna say that it looks like this guy’s shown that, you know, he has a case, at least, that you didn’t follow your own rules.” And so I’m gonna allow this lawsuit to proceed. And that led… And I can’t talk very much about the settlement, but that led Twitter and me to settlement discussions, and those settlement discussions have now concluded and I’m back on the platform.

And they have acknowledged — this is very important — that they shouldn’t have kicked me off. So, to me, even though I have this sort of special communication with Twitter that, you know, that was helpful to me, this precedent that I have set, that Twitter needs — or, you know, or Facebook or Instagram. If they’re gonna have rules, they need to apply those rules fairly, I think and hope that that’s a bigger issue going forward. So I think this is not just important for me; I think it’s important for anybody who feels they were kicked off unfairly.

You know, look, if you start, you know, doxing your girlfriend or, you know, posting, you know, that every member of the Supreme Court should be shot, like, you can expect to be suspended. And I understand that. But if — but if there are things that, you know, reasonable people are trying to debate and discuss, I think the platforms have a responsibility to follow their own rules, and that’s what this is about.

CLAY: Alex, couple things. One, people should know, all of your old tweets are now back up, right?

BERENSON: Yep.

CLAY: So not only did they return you, it’s not like they wiped everything you had said clean. It appears everything that you have ever tweeted has been returned, as well as it appears your old followers are back. Now, a big part, allegedly, of your lawsuit was that the government may have been involved in encouraging Twitter to take this action against you. Is that part of the lawsuit still in play? What can you tell us about a potential — ’cause this is what’s scary to a lot of people, myself, Buck, certainly many of our listeners out there as well is the idea that the government could go to a social media company, say, “We don’t like what this guy or what this girl is saying, and we want you to take action against them,” which is potentially a part of why Twitter acted as well. What can you tell us about that?

BERENSON: Yeah. So, in the initial — my initial — claim, my initial lawsuit against Twitter, I raised those issues and I raised them on both federal grounds and California State grounds, actually, ’cause the California constitution is quite friendly to free speech. The judge looked at those claims in August — I’m sorry, in April. He allowed the lawsuit to proceed on a breach of contract basis. But simultaneously he said, “We’re gonna allow — or I’m gonna. I’m gonna force Twitter to give up all its third-party communication with the government and with other people about you.”

So, in other words, Twitter’s posture towards me changed dramatically last summer. And we still don’t know why that is at this point, okay. But Twitter was gonna have to provide a lot of what’s called discovery, in legal terms meaning literally, like, “I’m gonna discover what they knew and what they know.” Now, I cannot talk about specifics of the settlement, but here’s what I can say. I said very publicly last month, a month ago today on my Substack, “I am not gonna settle this claim unless Twitter provides discovery and the right for me to publish.” Okay? And I’ve now settled the claim. So, in the next month or couple months I hope to have more to say about this. Right now, I am constrained.

CLAY: Okay. The only thing I’ll ask you is this. Have you been able or will you be able to potentially review that discovery yourself in a way that could allow you to write or talk about it in the future?

BERENSON: I will go back to what I said, which is that I wouldn’t settle the lawsuit unless I had the right or the discovery and to publish.

It doesn’t stop infection.
Or transmission.

Don’t think of it as a vaccine.

Think of it – at best – as a therapeutic with a limited window of efficacy and terrible side effect profile that must be dosed IN ADVANCE OF ILLNESS.

And we want to mandate it?
Insanity.

— Alex Berenson (@AlexBerenson) July 6, 2022

BUCK: Speaking to Alex Berenson, author of Pandemia; he’s got a Substack, Unreported Truths about covid. I want to take us back to covid, ’cause Clay and I refuse to let this stuff go, especially with an election looming. Put aside the crappy economy and all the Biden idiocy that people are now becoming all too familiar with. I would vote against anybody who was wrong with covid on that issue only and feel good about it.

I would vote against people that pushed vaccine mandates, and I would argue that anybody else who’s being sane should vote against mask mandate, vaccine mandate, lockdown lunatics. That all said, I was just in Asheville, Alex — you’re not on Twitter; so you didn’t see this — it was trending nationally because I just remarked on how, “Wow. Everybody in the stores here is wearing N95 masks. What the heck is going on?”

It caused a firestorm. All the blue-haired libs freaked out. And I think it was a reminder not just to me but anybody who was paying attention to that ruckus that there are a lot of people for whom nothing has changed. They’re ready to get the three rounds of shots. They’re ready for more masks. What can you tell us about that? What’s the latest on the shots and on the masks?

BERENSON: I mean, I don’t know if it’s a lot, though. I think it might be 10 to 20% of the population. Now, it’s overrepresented in the media, in the political class, you know, sort of in the culture-making classes, but, but —

BUCK: Well, 20% is 60 million people, right? So, you know.

BERENSON: Right. And it’s more than that in the people who, you know, determine what you see on TV, your elite, right? So, it is a lot of people, a significant number. Here’s how you know that this is just BS and feeder, okay? The shots for kids came out — I mean little kids, kids under 5, came out — about 10 days ago. One percent of kids under 5 have gotten the shot, okay?

CLAY: Wow.

BERENSON: Right?

CLAY: Wow.

BERENSON: I mean, if that is not a resounding rejection of everything that’s gone on… Everybody’s knows, okay, everybody knows the shots don’t work. And this incredibly cynical game they’re playing of, oh, this Omicron-specific booster is gonna make a difference. They know very well it makes no difference, okay? You get a few extra antibodies against Omicron.

You still don’t get nearly as many antibodies against Omicron with the Omicron shot as you did against the original variant with the original shot. Okay? That’s just a fact. They know it. They know this isn’t gonna work against Omicron. It’s just an excuse to try to get this, like, sad, pathetic 20% of the population happy enough to get out of their houses and, you know, even worse, the people who wouldn’t let their kids do anything normal for the last two years. Those people are the only ones who got shots.

BUCK: What if we find out…? ‘Cause we were being told all the time about the mortality data for those who got the shots. Do we have good numbers?

BERENSON: No.

BUCK: You know, that’s a big question that it feels like we haven’t gotten an answer to yet.

BERENSON: We don’t. I mean, it is such a… The mortality data is so messy and confused right now because certainly Omicron is milder. People die with it rather than from it. Second of all, Paxlovid, I think, actually has some — that’s the Pfizer drug, anti-retroviral drug. That actually I think works to some extent, so that has saved some lives and then you have people with previous immunity.

And given the fact that in the United States where we have had multiple waves of this over the last couple years, the most vulnerable people, unfortunately, a lot of them have died. So, I think it’s very hard to know both what the, you know, real mortality rate of Omicron is and whether vaccines do any good at stopping that. I just… You will never hear that, though. They will never admit this. It’s the last bastion. It’s, “Oh, yeah, they don’t work against infection or transmission at all, these shoots, but they do help prevent you from dying or, you know, being hospitalized,” and because the data is so messy, they’re gonna be able to say that forever, and they will say it forever.

CLAY: So, what is it gonna look like? I know predicting anything covid has been a huge challenge, but I believe now the dominant strain is BA.5, if I’m not mistaken?

BERENSON: BA.5.

CLAY: Okay.

BERENSON: Yes.

CLAY: So, what does it look like —

BERENSON: BA.5 is just gonna keep infecting people, and I think it actually preferentially infects people who’ve been vaccinated. Again, the data on that is not great.

CLAY: But it’s starting to look like, Alex… That’s what I was gonna lead to. It’s starting to look like the people who get covid shots are now way more likely to get covid than the people who either have natural immunity or just have chosen not to get these shots.

BERENSON: It certainly looks that way. And there’s good reason to believe that might be the case because the shots do hinder your development of anti-N antibodies, which is another part of the virus. And even though that’s not on the shell of the virus, it does seem that having anti-N antibodies and T-cells that can recognize the N protein is an important part of your immune response, and these people who’ve been vaccinated don’t seem to get that/those as much because the vaccine so biases their immune system towards the spike protein.

So, yes, it does look like you’re gonna keep getting infected. You’re more likely to keep getting infected if you were vaccinated than if you just, you know, got the virus and recovered naturally. Now, as long as Omicron is not too dangerous, you know, it’s just gonna be a cold or a minor, you know, flu-type illness for a lot of people. The worry is that somehow, you know, this mutates, becomes more dangerous again, and then those who’ve been vaccinated will really have a problem. You know, I hope that that does not happen because not just in the United States, all over the industrialized world, you know, the First World, you know, a huge number of people have gotten the mRNA vaccine.

CLAY: You mentioned 1% of kids. The New York Times, obviously, covered this as if it were a new birth of freedom, that 6-month-old to 5-year-old they had all these shots.

BERENSON: (laughing)

CLAY: I feel so bad for these kids but they had all these parents who said, “I haven’t let my kid play a sport in two years! They barely left the house. We haven’t been to a restaurant. We haven’t been to a family, you know, affair or anything that a young kid would love and enjoy.” Only 1%, according to your data, in the first 10 days are actually getting that, getting the shot. What does this suggest the percentages are going to be and, Alex, New York City, Eric Adams is talking about maybe mandating that all kids have the covid shot in order to go to school. Certainly, this is something Gavin Newsom in California has said. What sort of battles are we looking like we may have to fight based on this?

BERENSON: I don’t think that’s gonna happen. You know, California came the closest and they backed off. You can’t mandate something that’s been rejected by parents. You can say, okay, a 6-month-old, they’re not going to school. But 5- to 11-year-old, only I think about 30% of those kids have been vaccinated, and those are all school-age kids. So, it is impossible… I mean, you know, I joked but it wasn’t really a joke. There would have to be tanks in the streets, you know, to force school mask mandates.

I wish I could, @elonmusk, but the settlement with @Twitter prevents me from doing so. However, in the near future I hope and expect to have more to report. https://t.co/vela05eY1K

— Alex Berenson (@AlexBerenson) July 6, 2022

And California’s already basically backed off that, and I think… I think New York is not gonna do it. I mean, the public schools are in enough trouble. They don’t need this trouble on top of it. And the teachers unions, you know, I, you know, I think their noses are a little bit bloody. I think they’re gonna back off. You know, I’d like to say something. okay? It’s easy for those of us who were not jabbed, and people who were, to forget what happened last summer, okay, last summer and last fall.

But there was really an effort in the United States — and really all over the Western world — to take rights away from those of us who chose not to get what was basically an experimental vaccine, and that was after it had become clear to people who are watching closely that the vaccines were much less effecting than advertised.

BUCK: Yeah. It was medical fascism — let’s call it what it is — and Biden pushed it on everybody, and the Supreme Court had to step in, and it was atrocious.

BERENSON: That’s right, and it cannot be forgotten, and should never, ever happen again.

CLAY: Amen.

BUCK: Alex Berenson. Guys, go subscribe to his Substack, and if you’re on Twitter, @AlexBerenson on Twitter!

BERENSON: (laughs)

BUCK: Congrats, sir.

BERENSON: Thank you, guys. Thanks so much.

CLAY: Big win for Alex Berenson. Welcome back to the Twitter universe — that is, if you want to be there.

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BUCK: Today just starts with, I think, the recognition from all the Biden staffers and all the Democrats out there — including CNN anchors and New York Times writers, et cetera — that we are in July. We’re back from the holiday weekend, Independence Day — which, I know Independence Day, for a lot of libs, sad! Fourth of July, sad! I don’t know if they still wish that we were subjects of the British crown, but they get a little sad on 4th of July. Too many American flags for them.

Those American flags, a little triggering, can be a little bit upsetting to some on the left. But now they’re coming into this period, this July period, and Clay yesterday was talking about running out the clock. The clock is running out. That is the reality they all face. How are they gonna turn this around? The sentiment polling, the party affiliation, generic Republican-versus-Democrat, Biden-support polling, all of this stuff, it’s looking like a stock market crash from 1929. Did I get the date right?

It’s pretty rough. And, Clay, the quote that I think more than any other that is gonna stick — you know how sometimes there’s a quote? (chuckles) You know, Obama, “You didn’t build that”? That one, people remember that one. An anonymous Democrat here calls the Biden administration — just random Democrats they’re talking to. CNN reported on this. The quote is “rudderless, aimless, and hopeless.” I think that may be the most perfect three-word encapsulation of this White House I’ve ever heard.

CLAY: Doesn’t mean, Buck, that they are not desperately working behind the scenes as we speak. I got texted this morning by a buddy who works on Capitol Hill, and he said, “They are trying to pass a massive tax increase before the end of this month, because they know that they are going to lose Congress,” and once they lose Congress, nothing is getting passed for two years, and they have suddenly realized what the reality is, that basically all they did was come in book and throw money at covid and then pass an infrastructure bill.

Otherwise with control of the White House and control of the Senate and the House of Representatives, they have not managed to implement anything that is going to last at all, and so my concern right now is everybody who is on the right side of hit here, everyone who is a Republican, needs to be aware that this is the Biden administration’s last stand, and they are going to try to push through a massive tax increase, a further expansion of prescription drugs.

They’re trying to spend a trillion more dollars before the clock runs out on Biden’s ability to pass legislation without real Republican involvement — and we talked about this, Buck, whether it might happen? It has, and it’s a recognition of what you just read about the rudderless nature of the Biden administration. They’re basically saying, “Screw it! We’re gonna pass bills while we can. This is our last chance.”

BUCK: There may be… This is straight out of the Democrat playbook. This is Democrat 101: “When in doubt, spend more of the public’s money and then tell everybody what a great job you’re doing,” and that often, unfortunately, works. Bring out the money hose and just spray it everywhere and tell people, “Look at all the great stuff we’re doing!” That may be a little more problematic as a sell when you have the worst inflation you’ve seen in 40 years because people realize, ’cause they’re feeling those…

The thing about inflation is that people with dealing with it. It’s not a theoretical, right? It’s not, “Oh, well, there’s crime in other cities but not my city.” Wherever you are, you’re dealing with inflation. You’re dealing with this monetary policy disaster unfolding that’s really making people feel that they can’t afford their basic bills and they’re certainly not saving, they’re not getting ahead. And with all of that going on, the, “Let’s spend more and tax more” may be less effective than it would be during a time when things feel a little bit more normal, at least on the inflation front. And then again, Clay, you look at who is in charge here — and we always say, “Who would you draft” right? Who?

CLAY: Yep.

BUCK: Who is your top draft pick from the Biden administration? You say, “You know what? We’re gonna bring somebody into a future Republican administration. Make your choice now.” I can’t think of anyone in the Biden White House on the economic side, on the policy side that I would think, “That person really knows how to get it done.” But then again, there is Kamala Harris, for example, who’s out there telling everybody, “We’re making all the things with the prices go down” or something.

Kamala Harris says she is working on “bringing down basically the cost of what life requires for people” 🤔 pic.twitter.com/cbRAAdfAwC

— RNC Research (@RNCResearch) July 5, 2022

HARRIS: So we’re working on bringing down basically the cost of what life requires for people.

BUCK: What does that even mean, “the cost of what life requires for people”?

CLAY: It’s such an awkward phrasing, Buck. I know Joe Biden is old and not very good at speaking. But Kamala Harris was supposed to be the future of the Democrat Party. She can’t even speak. She makes Julia Louis-Dreyfus on Veep seem like it’s not satirical enough. Every time I see her speak I’m left just shaking my head over how incompetent that is. It’s crazy. And did you see, by the way…? We didn’t mention this yesterday. Did you see Biden’s tweet demanding that gas prices come down over the weekend?

BUCK: Yes. Yes.

Ouch. Inflation is far too important a problem for the White House to keep making statements like this. It’s either straight ahead misdirection or a deep misunderstanding of basic market dynamics. https://t.co/XgKfEICZpk

— Jeff Bezos (@JeffBezos) July 3, 2022

CLAY: Even Jeff Bezos said, I basically have to take aim at this — and good for Jeff Bezos at Amazon, who obviously owns the Washington Post. But when Jeff Bezos is calling out the White House — and there’s so much misinformation out there. I know there was supposed to be a misinformation czar. But when Jeff Bezos is calling out the White House for their inability to actually speak… Here’s what Joe Biden said. This was over the weekend.

“My message to the companies running gas stations and setting prices at the pump is simple: This is a time of war and global peril. Bring down the price you are charging at the pump to reflect the cost you’re paying for the product and do it now.” Buck, your average gas station owner is making a couple of pennies on gas, and I understand. I just filled up my tank of gas on the way into the show today, over $130 to fill up.

I understand why people are angry about that. But the gas stations, by and large, make their money off what people buy in the convenience store, not off the price of gas. And this is where Bezos responded, Buck, “Ouch. Inflation is far too important a problem for the White House to keep making statements like this. It’s he read straight ahead misdirection or a deep misunderstanding of basic market dynamics.” That’s Bezos.

BUCK: Just take an example here of at this point in the Trump presidency versus the Biden presidency, ’cause we’re supposed to believe that Trump doesn’t know anything and he’s so ignorant and all this. The media was all saying this. Trump not only held the line on this against the Democrats, a lot of the policy consensus on China and trade was, “Oh, my gosh! If he pokes China over this, then we’re gonna have a trade war! It’s gonna be terrible, and all these awful things are gonna happen!” And then people realized, “Hold on a second. China’s already in a trade war with us. It’s just a one-way trade war.”

CLAY: Yeah, that’s right.

BUCK: We just get slapped around in this country — and American workers and American productivity suffer — and China gets away with it. Trump came in and said, “I actually understand this dynamic. Let’s do it my way,” and just to be clear, the Democrats haven’t really reversed much of the Trump approach.

CLAY: They’re talking about doing it now, but so far, they have not changed the tariffs at all.

BUCK: Right. They talked about it, but they haven’t done it because they realized than on tariffs, Trump was right, and Trump was right even against some “conservative journals of opinion” and everything else. Joe Biden comes in and sounds like somebody who would fail a high school economics class —

CLAY: Yeah, it really is embarrassing.

BUCK: — every single time he opens his mouth about the economy. What he is telling gas stations in this tweet, what he’s telling them to do is, “Please start to go bankrupt so that Democrats win.”

CLAY: Yeah: Sell your product for less than you are paying for it.

BUCK: Yes. That is what he is telling them. “Please sell it at a loss and maybe you’ll make it up on volume,” as the old joke goes. It is outrageously stupid. But — I mean, Kamala says she’s bringing on the prices stuff. Karine Jean-Pierre. Here we go. She’s the White House spokesperson. She also is trying to tell you, “Don’t worry. We’re not in a recession.” Sure.

Reporter: “Does the president believe that we are in a recession?”

Karine Jean-Pierre: “No.” pic.twitter.com/GJkXKab9UK

— The Post Millennial (@TPostMillennial) July 5, 2022

BUCK: Clay, this approach that they have of, “Guys, things are really good in the economy. You just don’t understand,” they are hitting the accelerator in the car as it is going toward the brick wall of this election.

CLAY: I’ll be very surprised if we aren’t already in a recession now that we’re through the second quarter. The Atlanta Fed has now lowered their forecast to a negative GDP growth in the second quarter as well, and typically recessions are defined as two consecutive quarters of negative economic growth. Now, they officially announce inside of the Fed, “Hey, here we are in a recession.” But I believe we’re there.

What the Biden administration is trying to avoid and why they’re so desperately saying we’re not in a recession is because once people become aware that they’re in a recession, their buying habits change; and since two-thirds of our economy is effectively spending, right, what people do in terms of consumer behavior does in fact go a long way towards determining whether we’re in a recession. The psychology of recession eventually leads to recession. But we’re already there.

BUCK: I just want to throw in as well: On the one hand, you always know when somebody has a crap argument when the argument changes every day. Right?

CLAY: Yeah.

BUCK: And this is true about anything, right? I mean, you know, you see this on a range of the — of the way that they try to defend CRT in schools, right? “There is no CRT in schools!” “You don’t know what CRT is!” “Oh, actually CRT is great.” That’s just one example. There are tons of examples of this.

And they tell you on the one hand the economy is good. It’s great. Best job creation since World War II, they tell us, right? They have these lines. And everyone kind of goes wait, hold on. What? They’re just gaslighting us, right? And of course they are. And then you find out they say, “Oh, we have no problem with energy. We have no problem with the oil companies> We’re not overregulating!”

You see this? The latest here from a number of business groups — this was up on Fox Business this morning — is that the Consumer Financial Protection Bureau is out of control under Biden’s director and just running around harassing, fining, and regulating businesses left and right for nonsense. That’s what’s actually going on. People just don’t hear about it ’cause the media doesn’t want people to know the story.

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Highland Park Massacre: Ineffective Responses, Missed Red Flags

6 Jul 2022

BUCK: That shooting in Highland Park, that mass murder by a clear psychopath in Highland Park over the weekend. Here are just some updated details, first off. He dressed as a woman. He wore women’s clothing to try to blend in with the crowd and afterwards get away. So he wore women’s clothing. He used a rifle. He killed in this massacre, reloaded twice, and was planning an additional shooting. With all of this, you also have more on his background and how he was already on police’s radar.

They had visited him. They took knives from him and a sword from his home because he had said he wanted to, quote, “Kill everybody.” This was a couple years ago. Illinois does have a red flag law, and the red flag law clearly did not work as people would like it to and hope that it will in a circumstance like this. But the Democrats are making this — as they always do — about guns, guns, guns. It’s only about guns, the only thing they ever want to talk about, and here is Attorney General Merrick Garland — who is a Democrat hack, unfortunately — speaking about this issue.

NEW: Attorney General Merrick Garland on Highland Park shooting: “It’s just another horrific reminder of…the gun violence that we face and that we must do everything in our power to end. We don’t need any more reminders of this.” https://t.co/qPCwO3ddRi pic.twitter.com/YZTzpfvPsT

— ABC News (@ABC) July 6, 2022

BUCK: Clay, everyone agrees. Everyone wants no mass shootings, okay? We have to start… I know the left doesn’t like to actually give any good faith to the other side. Democrats like to think Republicans are all monsters. We all want there to be no shootings. They need to stop acting like they have the answers, because they clearly don’t. If you can’t stop this person who is effectively visibly insane before this even happened… Look, if you were constructing a school or mass shooter for a movie, it would be this guy, and they didn’t stop him. So what are we supposed to take from this?

CLAY: What did we say yesterday, Buck? We said that you and I, who are far from trained psychologists or psychiatrists, could watch the videos that this kid put on social media and say he’s mentally unstable, mentally ill. And yesterday I said, as a dad of three, I don’t understand how a father and a mother could ever allow a kid like this to end up with a gun. We found out since that he threatened to kill the family, that he had 16 knives, that the police had been called multiple times to the house.

And I’m reading from FoxNews.com right now, Buck, and this is where I get fired up as a parent, “The father of the 21-year-old man charged with killing seven people … sponsored his son’s firearm owners identification card two and half years ago despite two instances of police being called to their home” after this kid threatened to kill everyone in the house. So, Buck, this is where I get really fired up about parenting out there. How in the world did this dad allow and facilitate his kid to get all of these firearms when he had threatened to kill the family and you had called the police because you were afraid of him yourself?

We can talk about all the laws we want to pass, and we can talk until we’re red in the face, blue in the face, whatever analogy you want to use. But ultimately, mom and dad are in the house with these kids all the time. They know them better than anyone, or at least they should. How did they do such an awful job? We don’t need the government involved here. This is just mom and dad in the house, your kid is so mentally ill that he’s threatening to kill the entire family with knives, and then you facilitate and sign on to him buying multiple weapons, multiple guns?

This is just parenting fail on steroids, Buck, and again, no one seems willing to even hardly have these conversations about moms and dads and the choices that they’re making. But I just… I am sickened that a dad would ever facilitate this when the kid is threatening to kill the whole family. He’s not safe in your house. Why would he be safe for other people outside of the house? This kid needed to be committed to an insane asylum.

BUCK: Yes. It seems the parents’ recklessness would seem to be an accurate description of the parents. Now we also know — get this — he was on law enforcement’s radar.

CLAY: Of course, he was!

BUCK: And we just had this huge debate — and when I say just, in the last few weeks about red flag laws and red flag laws. I forget who it was. I think it was Senator Murphy from Connecticut said this will save thousands of lives, a red flag law legislation that was just passed, bipartisan. It’s not gonna do anything. It’s just gonna annoy some people that are law-abiding and the criminals are gonna keep doing what they do. Here is Lake County sheriff’s deputy telling everybody yesterday that police knew the shooter and actually took weapons from him back in 2019.

If a red flag law- which Illinois has- doesn’t stop someone like this, who exactly does it stop? https://t.co/Ywcv3rl864

— Buck Sexton (@BuckSexton) July 5, 2022

BUCK: Put aside, Clay, just the due process violations that I think are just inherent in red flag legislation, right — and put aside all the ways that it could be abused and everything else. I’m not saying those aren’t important. I’m just saying for our discussion right now, just in terms of efficacy, Illinois has red flag laws to prevent the purchasing of firearms, right? That’s what Illinois has. Or to take away, I should say — to take away — your legally owned firearm. If it doesn’t stop this guy, if the law enforcement apparatus doesn’t stop this individual with those kinds of laws in place, who do they stop?

CLAY: Buck, again, I know there are a lot of parents out there reacting like I am to this. Your kid has 16 knives, a dagger, and a sword and is threatening to kill everyone in your family. And then you aid and abet him in going to buy four guns? Even if he wasn’t going to do violence to you and your family, which you evidently took seriously enough that you called the police, think about the kid doing violence to himself, Buck. I’m reading.

BUCK: Can I just say —

CLAY: Call police. They thought he was gonna kill himself.

BUCK: Clay, if you’re a gun dealer, would you feel good about selling a firearm to him? This guy walks in, all right? We all know what he looks like. We all know how he presents. Would you feel good about selling this guy a rifle? I know you say, “Don’t judge a book by its cover.” This cover was insane, obviously.

CLAY: Yeah. And again, the dad — I’m reading from this, that he bought was under 21 when he signed up: “[T]here was insufficient basis to establish a clear and present danger and deny the FOID application” in Illinois. How many kids ever have 16 knives, a dagger, and a sword in their possession? That’s weird in and of itself, all right? Let’s just be honest. And then you threaten your entire family, you threaten to kill yourself, and dad goes out and helps this mentally unstable kid? Even if he wasn’t going to behave violently towards others, what’s the number one way, I bet, teenagers kill themselves — young adults kill themselves — men? They shoot themselves. So why would you want him to have possession of weapons at all?

BUCK: So is it possible maybe here — ’cause I’m trying to make sense of this. You’re a parent. I’m not a parent yet. Did you ever see the movie The Good Son with Macaulay Culkin?

CLAY: Yeah, back in the day.

BUCK: Right. Way back in the day. He’s this little boy, and I forgot where it’s even set, and he’s basically evil. He’s a little 12-year-old boy, and he’s evil, and the parents of course don’t want to believe it. They don’t want to believe it. Are we just at a place where there are parents who are in denial of the possibility that you could have a child who is actually good it had to be evil? By the way, this guy’s an adult. The problem is, he looks 14. He’s actually 22.

CLAY: I would buy, maybe, that you don’t want to acknowledge that your kid’s evil — aand again, “evil” is probably the wrong word. Mentally ill.

BUCK: Is it the wrong word, though, with something like this?

CLAY: Well, it’s an interesting question. Yeah. He behaved in an evil fashion. But looking at these videos and everything else, I feel like the kid is so clearly mentally ill that it’s hard to even assess. But what I will say is, as a parent, you took his threats to kill the entire family seriously enough that you called the police. That to me means that you don’t just think, “Oh, I’m willfully blind. This kid’s not a threat.” You thought he was a threat to your own family. And certainly, he’s a threat to himself if he’s threatening to kill himself, and you aided and abetted him in going to get weapons?

BUCK: It feels like this is somebody… If you had a dog that was a danger to humans — and we all know what that is — a dog that had already bitten somebody, drawn real blood, sent someone to the hospital, and you decided, “You know what? I’m just gonna let it of on the leash and just run around the neighborhood just to see what happens,” you actually would be held criminally responsible for that.

CLAY: Yeah. Responsible for that. And it’s even worse than that. It’s like they had kids over and they said, “Oh, why don’t you go play with our dog in the backyard.” Everybody out there listening to us right now, you can be strongly in favor of the Second Amendment and gun rights, but if you have a kid that you believe can’t handle guns, you need to speak up and you need to speak out, seriously.

BUCK: So many missed red flags or just ineffective responses.

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Dutch Farmers Confront E.U. Over Climate Lunacy

6 Jul 2022

BUCK: I think this story is fascinating, and Clay and I have been talking about it a little bit. It’s starting to percolate around more in the conservative media ecosystem. The Netherlands, Holland, is in the midst of a showdown between those who produce the food that the people of the Netherlands and actually all over the world eat. The Netherlands… This was stunning. I almost… This is one of those stats that I read and I think, “That can’t be true.”

The Netherlands apparently one of the biggest agricultural exporters in the world. I was not aware of that. You think such a small country, how could they? Apparently, they are a major food exporter, and this is all over the place, and that’s a stat that was stunning to me. Here’s what’s going on, and it’s been happening now for over a week. The Dutch government — there’s Holland, the Netherlands, the Dutch, right? We gotta keep it all in the…

I’m trying to avoid doing a Swedish chef impression. That’s a different country. It’s different. I know. The Dutch are not the Swedes. So, the Netherlands right now is in this showdown between the government that decided that they would essentially shut down a lot of farmers, just say, “Sorry, you’re done,” because they have set under some E.U. emissions standards for I believe it’s nitrogen oxide and another basically the pollutants that come — they call them “pollutants,” but the by-product gases that come — from farming.

How Dutch Farmers Are Using Manure to Protest the Government’s Industry-Killing Climate Change Plan https://t.co/I5EUiMs7kI

— Katie Pavlich (@KatiePavlich) July 5, 2022

Now, farming is pretty important ’cause, you know, food, which we all like and eat. So what’s going on is the Dutch government has just said to the farmers in the Netherlands, Clay, they’ve said, you have to hit these emissions standards by 2030. We’re gonna be in this totally new place because the E.U. has set these standards and we’re gonna meet them. And for a lot of you it’s gonna mean your farming business changes radically. For a lot of you it’s gonna mean your farm is actually gonna be shut down.

There’s even talk of some appropriation of some of this land that may be happening. The government maybe just start taking people’s land if they don’t adhere to this. So, there have been tractor protests very similar to the trucker protests we’ve seen and we saw in Canada over the vaccine mandate. They shut down with tractors on the highways the border between the Netherlands and Germany. And there’s been some gunfire. Police have shot at some of these protesters already.

And this is really concerning, folks, ’cause this is ultimately about climate change, CO2 emissions, other emissions that go into the environment. This is environmentalist tyranny through the lens of the bureaucracy of the E.U. And we’re coming at a time when we’re told (unintelligible) the media, “Bugs are good! You should learn to eat bugs because meat is too carbon intensive,” and here we have agriculture being too intensive when it comes to the nitrogen oxide production. This is madness. I mean, this is crazy town stuff being pushed by bureaucrats, and they want to do it here too.

CLAY: It’s significant also because we’re already starting to see, Buck — I don’t know if you’ve been paying attention to some of these stories internationally of food riots that are starting to occur as global food shortages are becoming more paramount. Now, we’re fortunate so far in the United States where most of our shortages in product, notwithstanding baby formula, which has been an unmitigated disaster for the Biden administration, but a lot of our products, if you want to go buy a particular product, there is another product that’s similar that you could make a choice on instead.

Much of the developing world doesn’t have that luxury. And so, I talked about it a little earlier in this show and I think I mentioned it yesterday, too. This is also a triumph of the Green New Deal, “climate change is going to destroy the world” people, much like what is happening in the United States. Let me connect these two. Over the weekend on Friday headed into a holiday weekend the Biden administration effectively announced that they were not going to allow substantial amounts of offshore drilling to increase.

So, our overall production of oil and gas is being voluntarily curtailed in an effort to try to decrease our carbon footprint. Now, the great fallacy here — and this is where media that was really doing its job would say, “Well, wait a minute. You’re also simultaneously, Joe Biden, going to travel to Saudi Arabia and on bended knee request the Saudis to produce more oil so that we can help to make up for the shortage that exists right now because of the Russia boycott in the wake of the Ukraine invasion.”

But most in the media aren’t pointing that out because they implicitly agree with many of the climate change aspects that are being embraced by the Democrats, but it leads to a total lie in policy, which is producing oil and gas here is not making it safer for the globe to ask more oil and gas to be produced elsewhere. It just allows Democrats to tell their idiot base, “Oh, we’re reducing our carbon footprint here.” And instead of making billions of dollars on oil and gas, we are pushing billions of dollars to these petro-dictatorship states.

Buck, this is what’s going on it feels like in Europe as well where there is a designed policy in place to destroy people’s ability to make a living producing goods based on what their carbon footprint is, even if that has a much longer deleterious effect and larger deleterious effect on the larger world. And that’s what’s going on right now. And I think they’re connected. And we need to have intelligent people push back against this.

BUCK: But when you see the collision here between… I mean, you’re seeing this over and over again. You’re bringing up the energy industry. Without oil and natural gas, our way of life not only comes to a halt but we crash and burn. I mean, you have people… You would have mass starvation; you would have widespread civil disorder from all the deprivation that would occur.

CLAY: Exactly right.

BUCK: You would see… It’s zombie apocalypse stuff. Now, I know. They’re not saying, “Oh, we’re gonna turn all the stuff off tomorrow.” Okay. But they keep pushing us and pushing us beyond where the technology is and based on something that I don’t even think is a problem, right? It’d be one thing if I…

CLAY: You and I don’t believe — or have zero concern about climate destroying our lives.

BUCK: Not one moment.

CLAY: Zero.

BUCK: You know? And I like to think that I care about humanity, too, right?

CLAY: Yes.

BUCK: I know the libs walk around, “I want to save it for future generations.” I don’t know. Democrats not really big on future generations when you look at a lot of other things. But here we are now looking at a showdown. And, yeah, it… I keep Googling this. I said, is this really possible? There’s $90 billion. That can’t… I look at these numbers and I think, that can’t be right. But enormous. Yeah, 82 billion — 82 billion euros — of agricultural sports in the Netherlands. So, this place has become an agricultural powerhouse on a global scale, which I was not aware of.

Really interesting, and you compare it to Germany, 20 billion, okay, United Kingdom, 8 billion, Italy 3 billion. I mean, I think Italy, aren’t they making all kinds of great stuff there, sending it to the rest of the world? Where do I get my prosciutto from, right? Turns out the Netherlands and their bureaucrats are coming in and they’re telling people, because of this imaginary destruction of the planet that we’re worried about, you no longer can continue to provide food for people.

CLAY: You can’t make a living. That’s what’s going on.

BUCK: Yeah. You’re done.

CLAY: Your job doesn’t exist in the same way.

Dutch farmers are protesting by pouring manure on government buildings and blocking highways with tractors.

pic.twitter.com/wCbCrqSW5N

— The Post Millennial (@TPostMillennial) July 6, 2022

BUCK: As, you know, Hillary Clinton saying that we need the oil, the coal companies need to go… You know, the coal miners need to find new jobs, right? Learn to code. This is the same attitude from these people. But when it comes to your food, though, you know, every single one of us who goes to bed at night with a reasonably full belly, in my case a little too full sometimes, unfortunately, we owe a debt of gratitude to the farmers.

We talk about it on this show. We learned over covid, we owe a debt of gratitude to the truckers, to the people that actually bring the goods and bring the food. And you have these managerial elites with their soft little hands and their soft little brains who are saying, “Yeah, whatever. Just, you know, we’re gonna shut down the farmers. Eat some bugs.” This is really happening in places.

CLAY: While they’re all flying around on their private jets.

BUCK: Private jets. Of course. Yeah.

CLAY: It’s way larger of a carbon footprint than any of these farming devices. Look. It feels intentional. It feels like an intentional policy shift that is going on around the world. And there are a lot of countries that just don’t care. Is China sitting around worried about the Green New Deal? Buck, do they have some massive —

BUCK: They’re building a new coal-fired plant every week. And we’re gonna talk about China, by the way, how America, the intelligence community and the military are waking up to, we got a big problem with China, folks, a big problem.

CLAY: We’ll probably talk about that tomorrow ’cause you and I were talking about it off air as we’ve had a meeting between MI5, the top British sort of intelligence agency, and our FBI. They had a joint release talking about what’s going on in China right now. But had you heard anything about this Dutch farmer rebellion? Is it being covered anywhere in the United States? Not that I’ve seen.

BUCK: Very minimally. Very minimally — and there’s video that. It’s only on social media this is making the rounds. Dutch farmers in tractors, they’ve opened fire on them.

🇳🇱 The Dutch police have fired shots at completely peaceful and unarmed farmers. This is why you don’t give up your guns; unarmed people don’t stand a change against tyranny. pic.twitter.com/K1UN5J1U0c

— Eva Vlaardingerbroek (@EvaVlaar) July 6, 2022

CLAY: Yeah.

BUCK: Cops have actually started shooting at them.

CLAY: Which, if you had to say which is… Other than, you know, Switzerland, which obviously doesn’t really ever take a side on anything, if you had to pitch a European country where you would least expect for forces to open up fire on citizens, the Dutch would be pretty high up on that list, I would think.

BUCK: Yeah. And just one more thing is, we see with covid that a lot of these people who take these very virtue signaling, oh, you know, we are one world global government perspectives on things and they’re always, “Oh, you know, we don’t want police to be too violent with criminals.” They take all these attitudes. When it comes to setting the climate change police on you, or the covid police on you, they will send men with guns and batons into your church to bludgeon your pastor so that you can’t breathe in their direction. These libs love to use the force of the state when it suits their crazy ideological purposes in the Netherlands and here at home in America. So that’s what’s going on.

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6 Jul 2022

CLAY: That Alex Berenson conversation, Buck, which we really didn’t follow up to a large extent with, but people say, “Okay, I don’t know who that guy is. Why should I care? Here’s the bullet point on why you should care, the headline. This is the first guy, to my knowledge, Buck, who has ever sued Twitter for being banned and been allowed to return, basically won. So every situation on a suspension is different.

And he even mentioned, “Hey, you know, if you’re advocating for the assassination of a government official, hey, that’s probably something that they don’t have an obligation to share.” But in terms of covid policy in terms of contentious issues that are out there in our marketplace of ideas, Alex just beat Twitter and proved that they aren’t the final arbiter of being able to apply policies to ban people for life.

BUCK: Well, I’m also happy just because now in that — in that Twitter ecosystem where so many — particularly so many lib journos — get all of their covid information, Berenson is going to be dropping the stink bombs of data that make everyone on the left so upset. They’re like, “Oh, my gosh! Why?” You know, I mean, it’s amazing how people have just stopped talking about it.

How good were those vaccines? Things like that. And I think it is so important going into this election, the Democrats want everyone to forget that Biden a year ago almost to the month — I think it was maybe August or December — a year ago was saying, “It’s a pandemic of the unvaccinated. If you won’t get the shot, you’re a bad person who’s going to kill people by breathing on them.”

CLAY: The winter of death.

BUCK: Yeah.

CLAY: Winter of death is here. Elon Musk tweeted to Alex Berenson earlier today:

Can you say more about this: “… pressures that the government may have placed on Twitter …”

— Elon Musk (@elonmusk) July 6, 2022

Elon Musk obviously in the process, at least in theory, of potentially coming back and buying Twitter. Alex Berenson, after being suspended for nearly a year, came back guns blazing. This was his first tweet back:

It doesn’t stop infection.
Or transmission.

Don’t think of it as a vaccine.

Think of it – at best – as a therapeutic with a limited window of efficacy and terrible side effect profile that must be dosed IN ADVANCE OF ILLNESS.

And we want to mandate it?
Insanity.

— Alex Berenson (@AlexBerenson) July 6, 2022

So, he’s not tiptoeing back into the Twittersphere as it pertains to the debate surrounding covid shots. He’s cannonballing into the pool, and he’s right on everything.

BUCK: Do we know what’s the latest on Elon’s purchase? Do we know where that stands right now? Because, obviously, for those of us who work in the media, this has a whole resonance. For everyone else out there, think of it like Twitter is like the Slack channel for journos. So, it’s almost like where everyone goes to fight it out, get their talking points — yada yada yada — in the Democrat corporate media.

CLAY: So, the latest update that I have seen on Elon is he requested effectively all of the data sets from inside of Twitter on the accounts there. Twitter has argued that only 5% of its accounts are bots — that is, spam, basically, artificial accounts — and Elon Musk has said he thinks it’s more like 20%. So, Twitter just shared with him a voluminous amount of data. And my expectation would be that all of his super technology data geek nerds are analyzing all that data to see whether Twitter’s public pronouncements are reflective of what the actual numbers show.

BUCK: I just hope that it goes through, ’cause that will also put pressure on the other social platforms to be less tyrannical libs. But we’ll see. We’ll see.

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