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Last night on Gutfeld, Buck covered a range of topics from shootings and Popeye the gender fluid sailor man, to Hunter Biden’s laptop pointing straight to Joe Biden’s involvement in his corrupt business dealings.

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Clay & Buck Talk Biden’s Griner-Russia Fiasco

8 Jul 2022

The WNBA’s Brittney Griner continues to beg Joe Biden for help getting out of Russia after being charged with drug-related crimes, only to have him turn a deaf ear. Clay and Buck appeared on Fox News last night to discuss the situation, which you have to bet wouldn’t have happened had President Trump been in office.

Brittney Griner pleaded guilty to drug charges in Russian court on Thursday and could face 10 years in prison. https://t.co/FZ0WEZdBo1

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7 Jul 2022

As of Thursday, President Biden has fired over 60,000 reserve National Guard soldiers, more than the total number of Americans killed in Vietnam War. They have been cut off from pay and benefits for refusal to get a vaccine that they do not need, that does not stop the spread.

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Gov. Kevin Stitt of Oklahoma on Red State Leadership

7 Jul 2022

CLAY: We are joined now by the governor of Oklahoma, Kevin Stitt. Good to talk to you again, Governor. I want to start here because I know this is something that you’ve been having to deal with a large amount of time. Buck and I have been teeing off on the idea that we are losing any of our National Guard troops as well as any of our fighting men and women at all in the armed forces over this covid shot requirement, which every single week and month gets more and more ridiculous. How frustrating is it to you? I’m sure there are a lot of Oklahomans out there in the services that are raising this issue with you, and I know you fought it yourself. How incredibly bad of a decision is this by the Biden administration?

GOV. STITT: Well, first off, thanks on for having me on, and again it’s just one more example of this administration just having zero common sense. We sued. I wanted to protect the National Guard that report directly to me as the commander-in-chief in Oklahoma. We said we’re not gonna dishonorably the discharge anyone. We think it’s absolutely ridiculous to force someone to get a shot that may have a 30-day effective rate of getting covid.

And if you think about it, there’s 60,000 people that will be discharged from the Army. We lost 58,000 soldiers in Vietnam. In one day, we’ve lost more people from just an absolute political stunt by this administration, and it’s just unbelievable. It’s a national security issue, and I just think about these brave men and women that are serving our country and serving our states in the National Guard and are paying for college and want to serve their state, and now they’re being forced to get out of the military because of a political stunt, and it’s just ridiculous as far as we’re concerned in Oklahoma.

BUCK: Hey, Governor Stitt, it’s Buck. Thanks again for being with us. You know, we talk a lot on this show about some of the policies in the larger population red states like Florida and Texas — and then ’cause Clay is a Tennessean, obviously we hone in on that one too. I mean, you’re speaking to people all across the country, but certainly in your home state of Oklahoma as well. We’ve got KTOK Oklahoma City and KAKC in Tulsa.

Great stations, heritage stations there with big audiences. We wanted to just give you an opportunity to tell folks: What have you been doing in your state when it comes to covid, when it comes to getting the economy back on track, when it comes to rule of law and the protections therein? What should people know about what Oklahoma’s been doing? Because they know about Florida and Texas if they listen to this show.

GOV. STITT: Yeah, well, we’re glad Florida and Texas can be following Oklahoma’s lead through this entire process.

BUCK: (laughing)

GOV. STITT: (chuckles) But, basically, here’s the deal: A lot of the conservative states and us in Oklahoma, you don’t put your Constitution in the attic when there’s a pandemic and just because someone in Washington, D.C., says that you should act a certain way. And so we’ve believed in freedoms, personal responsibility. I was one of the few governors that did not declare a mask mandate statewide. We kept our schools open, we kept our businesses open all through the pandemic, and we kept people safe. I was transparent with all the data.

We gave all of our hospitals the PPE, everything that they needed. But we weren’t going to shut our schools down. Now people are waking up to the learning loss that happened from some of these blue states that closed down their schools. And now Oklahoma, just like Texas and Tennessee and South Carolina and Florida, our economy’s booming. We have to lowest unemployment in our state’s history. I have the largest savings account we’ve ever had. We’ve got some business principles that we’re making Oklahoma the most business-friendly state. I cut taxes last year for every business, every single individual, and just could not be more proud of the migration that’s moving to our state, and the economy’s booming here.

BUCK: You mentioned something that I think is reason alone to vote red in November, and I know many of our listeners are still fired up about it all over the country. You’re seeing now… I saw Joe Biden tweet, I think it was yesterday or the day before, “Due to the pandemic we saw a great amount of reading and math learning loss among students.” I know there are certain public-school districts in your state — Tulsa, for example — that shut down for a long time. I think Tulsa was down like 300 days. How infuriating is it to you as the chief executive of a state like Oklahoma to have these teachers unions and these left-wing city mayors and administrators in these schools who took this opportunity to take away learning from kids who needed it the most, frankly?

GOV. STITT: Well, that’s exactly right, and the hypocrisy from the folks from the left — and I mean, governors of certain states literally closed their schools down while their kids were in private schools the whole time. We got the same thing happen in some of our big school districts. But, yeah, Tulsa public schools was closed for over 300 days. I hammered them every single day, had to fight my own superintendent of education because they were siding with the unions and keeping things closed.

And I’m telling you, if any of your listeners were the governor and had to talk to the single moms, the single dads, the parents that called me office and would say, “Governor it’s not fair. My first grader is not learning how to read via Zoom,” and across the street, at a different school district, they were in school the whole time! And it just broke your heart. That’s why we need parents to have more choice.

That’s why I stand with parents to give them options to move to schools that better fit their needs and maybe are just simply open. But we want to fund students, not systems in Oklahoma, and you’re seeing that move all across the country right now. And, you know, people want to educate their kids, not indoctrinate their kids, and so we want to — we are trying to — lead the way in Oklahoma and I know a lot of other common-sense states are doing the same thing.

BUCK: Speaking to Governor Kevin Stitt of Oklahoma. Governor Stitt, are you the first governor of a state who is a registered member of a Native American tribe? Do I have that right?

GOV. STITT: Yeah, that’s what I’ve been told. Yeah. We’re proud of our heritage. I’m a member of the Cherokees here in Oklahoma. And, you know, so proud of that. About 10% of our population is part of native here in the great state of Oklahoma.

BUCK: It’s just interesting. I feel like I haven’t seen the Washington Post do a cover story on our first Native American governor, which seems kind of strange.

GOV. STITT: Yeah, well they —

CLAY: That means you have a lot in common, Governor, with Elizabeth Warren, right —

GOV. STITT: (laughing)

CLAY: — I mean, pocahontas herself.

GOV. STITT: Yeah. You know, I think she was born in Oklahoma City, but that’s about as far as our connection goes, that’s for sure.

BUCK: So what are you planning going forward, governor? Since your state is going well right now, when things are going well, you want to run up the scoreboard, right? You want to get things done — and I know there are a number of Republican governors and hopefully incoming Republican governors who are seeing how much state governance can really help, folks. At a time when they’re having trouble paying for their gas for their cars and food bills and rent and mortgage and everything.

Because of many decisions made at the federal level by the Biden administration, feels like it’s going against them, what are you planning to do here at the state level? And I know there’s some other red states, you’re talking to those governors, too, to see how we can show that things can work for you, things can get better. What are the plans?

GOV. STITT: Yeah. In Oklahoma, things are going well. Inflation is hurting us like it is wherever across America. Everyday working families are paying more at the gas pump, at the grocery store, and really — if we could just spend just a minute to talk about that, why that happened — really, we were energy independent. It’s a national security issue. We were energy independent a couple years ago. This administration is so far removed from common sense, it’s amazing to us because they choke off supply.

They kill the Keystone pipeline. They make it impossible to drill. But here’s the problem: Demand is the same. We’re still driving to work, driving our kids to soccer practice and to school every day, we’re heating our homes and our businesses. So, when you choke off supply, the price at the pump is gonna go up; the price of everything at the grocery store goes up. We need inflation relief. I’ve asked… I’ve called my legislature back for a special session to lower the taxes again, to remove the grocery tax.

So we’re doing some things to help Oklahomans, but we need to put pressure on the federal government to make sure that they unleash companies in America and in states like Oklahoma to meet the needs of our citizens, because every president of the United States since 1973 has had an energy independence policy until this administration — and their solution is to buy oil from Russia to meet the demands of Americans! And so, again, it just doesn’t make sense if you have a logical conversation. But you can’t with some of these folks that literally, it feels like, they’re just trying to harm America.

CLAY: We’re talking to Governor Kevin Stitt of Oklahoma. Governor, I’m sure you saw that Gavin Newsom bought ads in Florida saying that California was the real home for freedom in the United States. Now, you are in Oklahoma right smack-dab in the middle part of the country, pretty much, almost, equidistant from California and from Florida. What do you think your constituents think about Gavin Newsom selling the idea that California is the home of freedom and Florida is the home of basically confinement?

GOV. STITT: That’s how delusional the left is, because everybody knows that Florida is one of the freest states in the country. DeSantis is doing a fantastic job. That guy in California, he needs to focus on his homeless problem and people leaving California in droves instead of trying to recruit people from Florida ’cause it’s certainly not gonna work. I think all the U-Halls are down in Florida that have left California, and that’s why he’s trying to get some of them back.

CLAY: Governor, who wins, Oklahoma or Oklahoma State in the football game this year?

GOV. STITT: (laughing) Well, you know I went to Oklahoma State. That’s my alma mater, so… But, man, OU’s pretty good, but Oklahoma State got the better of them last year in Bedlam. So it will be good.

CLAY: You’re ready. You’re ready. You kind of dodged that one but managed to get in that you’re an alum as well.

BUCK: I’m not let him get away with that little controversy, I see, Clay.

GOV. STITT: Oklahoma State will win two years in a row. We’ll go there.

CLAY: Good stuff, governor, we appreciate it. Thanks for hanging out with us.

GOV. STITT: Hey, thanks so much. Talk to you soon.

CLAY: Oklahoma Governor Kevin Stitt jumping in right there on the Cowboys. That’s a tough one, Buck. You gotta be a winner, and being an Oklahoma State alum makes it a little easier for him. Mike Gundy has things rolling there right now.

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Why Are C&B on YouTube? It Grows the Brand

7 Jul 2022

CLAY: You know what? There’s a billion different ways, it feels like, that you can follow the show. Let me just run through a few of them. You can certainly go subscribe to the podcast; help us set another new record in July. Heard some cool data that the people who listen on the podcast, Buck, only about 10% of them overlap with radio. So, it’s a rising tide that lifts all boats. As many different ways as you can find us, we want to be there for you, and we’re doing something cool now.

We’re starting to post some of our videos up on YouTube. Now, some of you out there are gonna be like, “I don’t care anything about YouTube.” But let me tell you something. My kids — and I bet your kids and grandkids — are obsessed with YouTube. They don’t hardly watch television, but they see everything on YouTube. So, we want to be everywhere. You can type in my name, you can type in Buck Sexton’s name on YouTube, and you can watch video versions of the radio show. We want you to subscribe.

It’s a hundred percent free, but we want to be able to distribute our content wherever the audience is so that we can influence, hopefully, in a positive way the direction the country is going. So, we would love for you to subscribe to iTunes. Get your kids on grand my kids to subscribe, if you’re talking to ’em about the show and saying, “Hey, these guys are around your age. I think you would like them.” I think that’s probably true. At least my mom tells me, and Buck’s mom tells him, that we’re likeable people.

BUCK: Mine too. Mom thinks we’re great, Clay.

CLAY: I can’t imagine anybody disliking us, and you could find us on YouTube. You can find us on iTunes, and certainly you can always go to ClayAndBuck.com. I do think, Buck — I’m not kidding — I went downstairs during the last break. My 7-year-old, his favorite thing to do is get on YouTube, and that’s the first thing my boys do when they wake up in the morning.

BUCK: What Clay is talking about is so true, which is that there are these platforms that tend to correspond more with different age demographics, and as conservatives, we can’t… One mistake that I think we made in the past — as a movement, as an ideology, a belief system — is we just ceded a lot of the public square, like, “The left controls it so we’ll just do our own thing.” Thank heavens we have the unsinkable aircraft carrier of free speech that is this show and other talk radio shows like it.

Thanks, of course, always to Rush for building this aircraft carrier into what it is. But we shouldn’t just allow places like YouTube and TikTok and MySpace to be left wing. Now, TikTok is a little different because of the surveillance issues, and we just talked about those with Bryan Dean Wright. But we shouldn’t just say YouTube should be a place that is dominated by the left and just let it go. There’s Rumble. There’s other platforms that are free speech devoted. But I think we take an all-of-the-above approach.

We fight on every battlefield where we can get a foothold and try to make as much headway as we can, especially because I want 20 to 25- or 20- to 30-year-olds listening to this show. I mean, obviously we’ve got millions of people who are our contemporaries, Clay, and obviously Rush’s audience, as we’re so grateful, stayed with us in the numbers that they have, given us a chance, let us try to keep this legacy going and as much as we can, keep the fight going, really, in Rush’s name and in his honor.

But if we can reach college kids and we can do it on YouTube? Clay, as you were saying, your kids are not quite college age yet, but they’re gonna be high school age here soon. Let’s not let the left get away with the brainwashing of the youth without any alternative, right? Let’s not say assume, “Well, they’ll pay taxes. They’ll turn 35 and they’ll see reality.”

CLAY: Ultimately, the most important part of all of this is we have got to be wherever that audience is. We need to be in front of them on YouTube, and we need to be in front of them on iTunes, and we need to be in front of them on Spotify and Stitcher and everywhere else because you can’t cede the battleground anywhere. That’s why it’s important for us. We have got the biggest radio show in the country. We have got one of the biggest podcast audiences in the country, and we want you guys to get your kids involved, get your grandkids involved, share some clips, go subscribe.

It’s free. Just type in “Clay and Buck” on YouTube and you’ll be able to find us there, and you’ll be able to find us everywhere. And you can’t impress upon you enough, if you’re sitting around thinking, “Oh, nobody cares about YouTube,” we just talked about, like Buck said, TikTok, Twitter, Facebook, Instagram, we’re trying to be omnipresent, be everywhere. And one of the cool things about it is the audience isn’t cannibalizing.

Everybody is so many different places. We have tens of millions of you download the podcast in June. Most of you listening to me right now on the podcast, including my wife… (Hi, honey. Happy birthday tomorrow.) Most of you out there listening on the podcast are not daily listeners on the radio show. The audiences feed off of each other. A rising tide lifts all boats, but they don’t necessarily cannibalize, which is hugely important in terms of continuing to grow this audience and this influence.

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Democrats Lament That Roe Won’t Win the Midterms

7 Jul 2022

BUCK: I did want to take a moment to make note of this because the Democrats… One thing that’s beginning to sink in is the overturning of Roe v. Wade is not gonna save their electoral fortunes. It doesn’t seem like that’s the case at all. Maybe a percentage point here or there nationally, but nothing in the nature of a major shift. But you’re also still hearing things from some very prominent Democrats that you should pay attention to. You should understand who these people really are.

Elizabeth Warren is someone who I often just make fun of because I do find her — remember, she is somebody who built a career as a fake Native American. That is just a statement of fact. It’s absurd. She’s absurd. But she played the system and she dances to the required tune of the left, then she says the things she’s supposed to say. She is worth like $10 million and always talks about how she hates the rich, et cetera. But when you hear her on the issue of abortion and how she feels about “Crisis Pregnancy Centers,” this… I heard this, and I listen to a lot of stuff and really deep in the news all the time. This was pretty chilling.

Democrat Senator Elizabeth Warren: “We need to put a stop” to crisis pregnancy centers “right now.” pic.twitter.com/PzhBe21AGk

— RNC Research (@RNCResearch) July 6, 2022

BUCK: I’ve been to fundraisers for a well-known Crisis Pregnancy Center here that does not support abortion, trying to help women have their babies here in New York. Notice, Clay, she says, “Wishes them harm,” and I want everyone to be clear. This is a sitting senator in the state of Massachusetts which still has very liberal abortion laws. This hasn’t changed any of the abortion laws in Massachusetts, who’s saying that places that say, “Hey, you are under a lot of duress, we want to help you, want to give you resources, get you medical care, gonna get you counseling, get you baby formula and clothing and assistance for your child that is coming,” those places, “wish those women harm.” She sounds like a psychopath.

CLAY: She is. And I don’t think there has been enough discussion surrounding the idea of how many Democrats support abortion in the ninth month. This is murder — let’s be clear — and if you don’t want to talk about it in the context of abortion for a moment, just take a step back, and this analogy, I think, is very difficult for any Democrat to respond to. So, I would just use this one. If a mother is pregnant… I would love to hear Elizabeth Warren answer this question.

If a mother is pregnant in her eighth or ninth month of pregnancy and she is shot and killed and her fetus inside of her — which otherwise would be viable — also dies, should that be considered a double homicide? My answer is yes. Because if you are the family of that woman who is murdered, you are not just grieving for the loss of that mother, you are grieving for the loss of her child which is still inside of her as well. Would Elizabeth Warren believe that that should be a double murder? I would love to hear her answer that question.

Why, then, does she have a different perspective…? I think she would have to say yes. That would be a double murder. I think that’s a double homicide because there are two lives that have been taken. Why, then, would she be okay with that same situation, someone deciding that they don’t want to give birth to a viable baby in the eighth or ninth month of pregnancy? To me — and this is not just Elizabeth Warren. This is Tim Ryan. This is Stacey Abrams.

These are Democrat politicians all over the country saying that they believe in nine-month abortions being legal. That needs to be talked about and debated. That’s what Roe v. Wade did was it tossed this all back to the states — and, Buck, if we’re not having those debates, then we’re being dishonest, and there should be consequences politically for those opinions — which, by the way, 90% of the American public disagrees with.

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Someone Blew Up America’s Weird Stonehenge

7 Jul 2022

BUCK: Clay, this story was interesting to me. I don’t really… It’s more interesting that this even existed, to me — or, rather, the messaging of what was on these monuments. Did you see? “The Georgia Bureau of Investigation,” according to Fox here, “has released surveillance video in the search of those responsible for setting off an explosion at the Georgia Guidestones Monument, which they say they’ve now demolished.”

CLAY: Yeah.

BUCK: It was a granite tourist attraction in Elberton, Georgia, which the state says is known as “America’s Stonehenge,” and it was damaged after unknown individuals exploded a detonation device. Interesting. “There was a 10-part message that espoused the conservation of mankind in future generations,” but there was actually kind of a weird… I’m talking about now what was written on this. Clearly someone didn’t like the messaging.

There was something about how we should limit the population I think to 500 million globally. It was this Ehrlich Population Bomb — pardon the expression — situation where there was kind of espousing that the only way to keep the planet in stasis and stable is if we limit human population. I didn’t even know this was a thing in Georgia until they blew it up, and now I’m learning about it.

CLAY: I read about it. I think the Wall Street Journal maybe had a piece about it as a tourist attraction, but also that it was kind of weird and people didn’t understand exactly why it existed and it had become very popular on the internet. And then somebody just decided to blow it up. I don’t really understand all of the backstory here, but it is kind of crazy. First of all, it’s not that similar to Stonehenge. (laughing) So, America’s Stonehenge is not actually very similar at all to Stonehenge.

BUCK: Stonehenge is so interesting, just to throw this out there, because it is so old and because they moved these things before we had excavators and all the vroom-vroom things that people do today.

CLAY: Thousands of years old, as opposed to something that somebody put up, I think, in like the early 2000s.

BUCK: I think it was… Was it the earlier 2000s, is that right, or was it the seventies when they got together and did it? I don’t know. I gotta check this out.

CLAY: It’s relatively recent. A lot of our listeners were alive for this, as opposed to Stonehenge. Have you been to Stonehenge before?

BUCK: No. I gotta go to the U.K. I haven’t been a while.

CLAY: I’ve been. It was… You know.

BUCK: Should we have Boris Johnson on, by the way? He’s got some time on his hands, you know?

CLAY: (laughing) I wonder who they’re gonna pick now as the new leader in England. For those of you who don’t know, Boris Johnson has officially stepped down. Hopefully, Joe Biden’s gonna follow him soon, in short order, because effectively Biden’s power is gonna end in November, and we should mention — we’ve been hinting at this — there is now a report that that tax increase is coming from the Democrats starting —

BUCK: I thought you were teasing our big Nashville election party. I was a little excited. Now you are telling tax increases?

CLAY: I am excited about that. I’m not excited about —

BUCK: Massive.

CLAY: — this massive tax increase at the absolute latest time that they could do it. It is inching closer and closer to a reality. They are recognizing, Democrats are, that they’re not going to have power. Potentially the White House and Congress again, maybe for a decade or more. And so they’re trying to ram through a tax increase.

BUCK: Georgia Stonehenge started in 1979, I’m seeing here. And it did have this anti-population-growth message on it. Did a lot of people go to this thing? Was this a thing?

CLAY: No. I’ve been going to Georgia my whole life. I didn’t even this existed ’til, like, three or four years ago, and then it got popular on the internet, and it got so popular on the internet that some crazy dude decided he had to blow it up.

BUCK: I guess so. I think there is a… There has been more attention on this recently. I’m trying to figure… I’m trying to learn more here. But, anyway, in general, I’m not a fan of the Malthusian ethos.

CLAY: It’s been proven to not be true.

BUCK: It’s not true! Ohhh, wait you mean the consensus of brilliant scientists who tell us they can control our lives and control human population because they know what the future holds are wrong, Clay? This is a huge shock to anyone who doesn’t know history.

CLAY: And, unfortunately, the consequences of all this, we talked about, going on yesterday in Holland, and now we got all sorts of issues with Joe Biden going on bended knee to Saudi Arabia. This keeps getting worse.

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Stacey Abrams Pays $520,000 for Personal Police

7 Jul 2022

CLAY: I believe the ultimate battleground state in 2022, if I had to just pick one — and I know there are many, but if I had to just pick one — it would be Georgia, because you have a big battle between Governor Brian Kemp of Georgia and Stacey Abrams on the governor’s race, and then you have Herschel Walker going up against the Reverend Raphael Warnock, who is currently the senator. So you have a big Senate race that could decide the fate of who controls the Senate, and then you have a governor’s race.

Stacey Abrams, who sits on a board advocating to defund the police, has spent over $520k on private security guards in the past four months. https://t.co/d9rGbz6WFZ

— Clay Travis (@ClayTravis) July 7, 2022

And if Stacey Abrams were to win, I think Brian Kemp is right: She would use that as a steppingstone to run for president from the state of Georgia. Stacey Abrams sits, Buck, on the board of a group that has advocated to defund the police. This is the Marguerite Casey Foundation. They have supported defunding the police. What is interesting — and I gotta give the New York Post credit on this.

Stacey Abrams’ Georgia campaign for governor has spent $520,000 and change just since December of 2021 to April of 2022. So in, basically, a four- to five-month window of this governor’s campaign, Stacey Abrams has averaged spending over $100,000 a month for private security protection. Your reaction to sitting on the board, defund the police, Stacey Abrams — who, remember, also wanted all kids to be wearing masks and said Georgia is the worst state to live in in the entire country. The fact that she has spent over a half million dollars on private security while saying that others don’t deserve the right to police is what, Buck Sexton?

BUCK: Well, obviously we see the hypocrisy here, which is true of so many of the gun grabbers. Anybody who has made a big show in politics of their desire to make it harder for law-abiding people to get guns on the national level, if they’re a big enough politician or rich enough guy or gal, you find that they have armed security, sometimes privately paid for, but often paid for by the taxpayer.

And it makes you wonder, why aren’t those police, so to speak, defunded? You know, why is it that there are some people who deserve to feel safe as they walk around? Remember, even armed security isn’t a guarantee, right? So we could always say… ‘Cause they’ll tell people, well, a concealed carry permit or being able to open carry isn’t something that necessarily will save you and they’ll point to some case or statistic or whatever. Yeah, but you got a shot.

CLAY: Yeah.

BUCK: You got a chance. You have the possibility of it. But Stacey Abrams has built a massive career already on fraud and lies. This is actually completely on brand for the woman who would be the actual governor of Georgia instead of the fake governor of Georgia if Democrats are able to pull it off this fall. I certainly hope that that is not the case. But there’s also something really unsettling, to put it mildly, about the mentality of so many of these Democrats right now who act like defund the police…

Okay, they’re not yelling it anymore. They’re not shouting it the same way. That was a maniacal, civilization-destroying idea. Getting rid of cops in America today would destroy our society faster than almost anything. Maybe getting rid of all fossil fuels would destroy it faster, actually, because we would just all starve. But getting rid of police is crazy. And I will say, it is one of my big disappointments with the way that the American people voted the last time around.

In 2020, instead of being in a moral panic about racial politics, they should have seen that the BLM movement and defund the police was going to be disastrous for everybody, particularly black Americans, particularly minorities who live in high-crime neighborhoods. And it was. And there has been no real accountability for this yet, Clay. You know, it’s almost tough to pick. We talk about covid. What they did on defund the police I would also argue that alone should be enough for them to get destroyed. If there aren’t rivers of Democrat tears on Election Day, we haven’t done our jobs.

CLAY: I’ll even defend the choice between at least initially with covid there was some uncertainty about what was the best choice to make. Defunding the police never had any legitimate basis whatsoever. We knew what was going to happen, right? Because we had seen high-crime America before when we didn’t support our police, and so the fact that there are thousands more people dead as a result is the consequence of the fear.

The fear that is out there of being called racist is so pronounced — especially in highly educated white society in particular — that there is no willingness to even mention any facts that might contradict the idea that American racism is so founded in policing that we have to do away with them in order to make people safe. The perfect distillation of this, Buck, is remember when Senator Tom Cotton wrote on the New York Times op-ed page, we should call in security, meaning the troops.

BUCK: National Guard. Call the National Guard.

CLAY: Call the National Guard in to help deal with the rioting that was going on all over the country, and they fired the New York Times editorial page leader for even allowing that to occur. And then what’s the first thing that they did after January 6th happened? They called in the National Guard and used them to help provide security. But that idea — they said — calling in the National Guard, was racist because it would put minority lives in danger to allow our National Guard to work.

BUCK: I’ll be very clear with everybody. And I want everyone to remember this. You won’t hear this, I don’t think, anywhere else, and it’s important. The defund the police ideology that the left espouses is always actually situational. They want to defund local law enforcement so that they’re unable to protect people from rapes, assaults, murders — ’cause we need to suffer through that as a society because the left views all crime as a collective problem. It’s not individuals who are suffering. Oh, hey want to do that. But, Clay, they don’t actually want to defund the police when it comes to using the FBI —

CLAY: No they want to more fund it.

BUCK: — to raid the homes of the political enemies of the regime.

CLAY: Oh, yeah.

BUCK: They don’t want to defund police, not in the slightest, when it comes to wrestling pastors out of their churches for “exposing peopling to covid!” by actually trying to exercise their First Amendment constitutional rights. They have no problem with police coming in to arrest people for failure to show a vaccine passport in New York City, which happened.

They have no problem with people being wrestled to the ground on airplanes by cops for not wearing a mask. So they’re actually not even consistent among the defund the police crowd. They want the force of the state. They want the boot on your throat when they want it. They just don’t want there to actually be authority that is armed and capable of enforcing the law to protect us from everyday crime. That we all have to suffer through.

CLAY: Yeah. They’re fine with people being tackled and arrested for not wearing masks appropriately, but they’re not okay with police pursuing violent criminals aggressively or with district attorneys bringing heavy levels of charges against constantly cyclical, violent criminals. It really is a mind disease that is without any sort of justification at all.

In fact, I think defund the police is the single dumbest political slogan of our lives in that there is zero argument in favor of it. Buck, you could say, “Hey, we need higher taxes ’cause we want to pay for X or Y.” I think climate change is all bunk, as do you. But you can argue, “Hey, as a part of the Green New Deal we need more windmills and solar energy or whatever.” We can dispute that. There is not a single argument that defund the police in any way makes sense.

BUCK: I want to also remind everybody, Clay, that “defund” was the workshopped phrase. Defund was the one that they actually were pushing, the anti-cop left, which at its core just racial Marxists. They want to use the same tactics of the radical Marxists of the past, but instead of class, it is along race lines. That is exactly what they do. That’s the whole game. But, Clay, they’re looking to pull apart our society, and to do so they actually want to abolish police.

CLAY: Yes.

BUCK: And you heard AOC, remember. She wasn’t saying defund ICE originally. No, she parrots. That’s her job. She just spouts the slogans of the far left, and she was saying, “Abolish Immigrations and Customs Enforcement,” and if you speak to people who are truly in the leftist movement, they’ll say, “Well, actually I want to be an abolitionist of police.”

CLAY: Yeah.

BUCK: Now, notice they use the term “abolitionist” because of the connection of the righteous cause of the abolition of slavery. And then you look at the 1619 Project, for example, which had this whole connection of, “Where do police come from? Slave patrols!” This was the argument the left was making. So it was actually the abolition of police that they were hoping to get to, and defund was a midway stop. And you and I are sitting here saying, defund the police is insane.

CLAY: And it’s directly leading to thousands of people who would otherwise have been alive being dead. The rate of violent crime —

BUCK: And majority in the black community. The majority of people who were killed as a result of the undermining of cops are black. Young black men have died because of this.

CLAY: Black Lives Matter has led to more young, black deaths than any political movement in the twenty-first century by far. Not even close.

BUCK: Folks, we’re just telling you what you know is true and what you can see is true in the data. But they’ve got probably another January 6th hearing coming any day now over on the left. That’s what they’re focused on.

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7 Jul 2022

BUCK: We’re joined now by our friend Bryan Dean Wright, my brother from Langley, former CIA operations officer, host of The President’s Daily Brief podcast on iHeart. Bryan, great to have you, man.

WRIGHT: Such a pleasure, gentlemen.

BUCK: So, yesterday there was this warning briefing that came out from MI5 and the FBI — so Britain’s domestic intelligence agency and the closest thing that we have in a sense, right, our federal law enforcement agency — on the growing threat from China. And I think it’s important for people to know, Bryan, they didn’t mean in this theoretical, “Well, South China Sea could be a military flash point sense,” which is very real, but that’s not something we’re feeling every day. They were talking about active Chinese subversion, influence, and espionage operations at the U.S., at the U.K., and in all of our allies. I wanted you to put this in perspective for everybody.

WRIGHT: Yeah, look, it is an absolute nightmare, not only here but obviously in the U.K. and Europe. So, what we know in this country is the FBI opens up hundreds, if not thousands of counterintelligence cases every single day. Hands down, the number one threat to this country — certainly the British folks are saying the exact same thing — and what we know is this is not a new threat. In fact, going back all the way to the 1980s President Reagan tried to stand up to Beijing to say, “Look, you guys are stealing our stuff through espionage operations.”

And now we go from the 1980s until now, and we have cyber operations. So we have 40-plus years of the Chinese doing this. And they are stealing tens of billions of dollars’ worth of intellectual property every year, and it puts us at a disadvantage because they steal our stuff, and then they make a much cheaper version of it, and they take over market share. That means people who listen to this program who had jobs in some of these industries don’t have some of them or can’t get the wages that they might otherwise get. So that’s why this is a really big story and it’s a really big deal.

CLAY: Bryan, appreciate you coming on with us. I was reading this morning, and I know Buck’s on it. I’m not super active, but I bet a lot of kids and grandkids are out there, on TikTok, and I’m wondering how much concern should there be in the United States government and also certainly in the counter-intel universe about the power and scope of influence that China could potentially have using TikTok and how popular it is in the United States with the information that they’re gleaning?

WRIGHT: Absolutely. Look, so, there’s two sets of this. One is, if you are, let’s say, a U.S. soldier or an airman, if you are a Marine, et cetera — if you work for the United States government — they can and in some cases will use that data that they can collect on you against you, right, in terms of blackmail. So that might be what you post, what you like; all of that goes back to Beijing, and they start building profiles on you. And they build that, plus other ways that they’ve hacked you or they’ve found other pieces of information against you.

So they put that picture together using data from things or places like TikTok. That’s why, from a national security perspective, it’s a really big deal. But if you’re just an average citizen out there, should you be worried about using TikTok? And I think the first response to that is, do you really want to support in any way any company that helps the Chinese? They are our number one enemy. Economically they’re trying to destroy us. Geopolitically they’re trying to destroy us.

So do you want to support in any way any Chinese company? I think that the answer is probably no, or it should be. But then the second question is, “Well, how could they use that? If you’re not a spy or a soldier, how could they use that against you if you’re just an average citizen?” Well, some of that we don’t yet know. But they’re gonna have the information on you to be able to use it against you someday because it could be you know somebody that they want to get in front of so they start using this data against you in that way even though you’re not directly connected.

BUCK: We’re speaking to Bryan Dean Wright, former CIA operations officer, host of The President’s Daily Brief podcast, which is on iHeart. Listen to it the iHeart app. Bryan, I’ve gotta ask you how you think the situation in Ukraine has been handled by the Biden administration up to this point. In the early days, there was a lot of people posting their six Ukraine flag emojis and the Ghost of Kiev and Snake Island and all this stuff, and now it’s faded into the background despite the fact that the war drags on. What are you seeing right now in that area of conflict? And what are your concerns about either U.S. mission creep or just the continuation of what we’re already doing?

WRIGHT: So, let’s dive into this, because it’s such a big story. A couple things. First, black market weapons. We got word late last week from the Pentagon that they’re not tracking any of the weapons that they send into Ukraine — and that’s, you know, small arms stuff, you know, guns of different kinds, but also Stinger missiles. And those can take down airplanes! We’ve had over a thousand of those sent into Ukraine. So we got no auditing of that, no verification of any kind that it’s actually being used in a way that we intend.

So that’s the first big piece. The second is natural gas wars. So we know that Russia is clamping down on the amount of natural gas that’s going into Europe. That’s a big deal because Europe is our biggest export market. So once the European economy goes into the toilet, our factories can’t send as much stuff as before. Factories aren’t chugging away. People who worked in this country suffer accordingly. And it also means that, of course, our good friends in Europe, they are gonna have huge challenge this winter keeping their homes heated.

In fact, there’s a lot of discussion right now from France and Germany. They’re saying, “We’re gonna have to ration hot water.” So all in all, this is an absolute mess. But here’s the last big piece. Late last week the Biden administration, there was a leak of their classified assessment about what’s gonna be happening next in Ukraine, and the bottom line is that the Biden administration doesn’t think that Ukraine can win even with all the weapons that we can’t even keep track of — and that’s a really big deal.

Why are we dumping all these weapons in, and the European economy is collapsing that we need to be a part of, we want to export or stuff to. So a lot of really bad things are happening right now. And I’ll tell you, one of the biggest concerns that I have is what happens geopolitically in the world when we and our European partners no longer have the leverage that we once did to reach out to economies around the world, countries around the world, former allies that are now getting into the back pocket of Russia and China?

CLAY: Can this last?

BUCK: How long can this situation last?

WRIGHT: We got a war of attrition between Russia and Ukraine. That’s really us. So how long can it last? However long that the Russians can hold up in terms of selling their oil to China and to India, and that’s not going away. So, they’ve got a really great war machine they’re funding right now, and gobs and gobs of oil. So how long can we stand it? How long can we pump out the tens of billions of dollars to prop up Kiev?

That’s really the question right now, because Kiev, by the way, is losing so many of their professional soldiers. We have some units over there that are losing up to 80%. So, at some point it’s gonna become a question of, “Do we supply soldiers?” and right now, that conversation is happening within the Biden administration. They don’t know how long Ukraine will be able to put up the kinds of soldiers that they need to fight this war. That’s the big question: When will we step?

BUCK: Bryan Dean Wright. Check out The President’s Daily Brief podcast. It’s doing great. A lot of people loving it. Bryan, thanks so much for being with us, man. Come back soon.

WRIGHT: You got it.

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