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C&B 24/7 VIP Video: Clay and Buck Open the Show on the Return of Covid Mandates

18 Jul 2022

Clay and Buck opened the show on the continued lies about masks and shots which the Biden Regime continues to peddle — and the lib true believers who are still following these pronouncements religiously. However, there are some courageous doctors out there starting to tell the real story.

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Watch: Biden Regime, Brainwashed Libs Continue to Lie About Masks, Shots; Courageous L.A. Doctors Speak the Truth 

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Breaking News: Iran Says It Can Build a Nuke

18 Jul 2022

BUCK: I did say that there was breaking news, and I wanted to talk about this.

CLAY: Oh, yeah.

BUCK: Iran says they can build a nuke any time they want at this point, that they’ve enriched to 60%, they can get to 90%. The last 30% is a much faster process.

So we’re gonna be hearing a lot more about a nuclear Iran, as in a nuclear-weapon-holding Iran, everybody, on Biden’s watch. War in Ukraine, nuclear Iran up next, and maybe China invading Taiwan. That’s quite a foreign policy he’s got going.

CLAY: And Russia’s visiting Iran right now, and the way you’ll know whether Iran has a nuclear weapon capability or not, Buck, it’s based on whether we attack them, because if we attack them and they have nuclear weapon capabilities, uh-oh. That really gets scary.

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Stephen Miller’s America First Legal Is Fighting the Culture Wars

18 Jul 2022

BUCK: We have Stephen Miller with us now, former senior adviser to President Trump and president of America First Legal. Stephen, great to have you back on the program.

MILLER: It’s great to be back. Thank you.

BUCK: So you’re on the front lines of the legal fight in so many ways, but I wanted you to tell everybody about what America First Legal is doing when it comes to places like Dick’s Sporting Goods offering benefits to employees who abort their children but not offering equivalent benefits to mothers who actually give birth. Tell us about this.

MILLER: Yes. So America First Legal recently launched a new effort to go after woke corporations for violating the civil rights of their employees and the American people in general.

And tragically, Dick’s Sporting Goods is at the leading edge of the woke corruption of corporate America, and they have announced a policy which provides a $4,000 subsidy to pregnant mothers who abort or terminate the child living inside their womb, but no equivalent such benefit to pregnant mothers who choose to allow that child to continue living and ultimately be born, which violates federal civil rights law specifically Title VII of the U.S. Civil Rights Act as amended by the pregnancy discrimination act which forbids discrimination against pregnant moms.

And obviously by financially incentivizing pregnant moms to terminate the baby, they are discriminating in an illegal way against those mothers. Dick’s Sporting Goods also has adopted a formal published system of racial quotas in making decisions about hiring and promotion, which, again, facially violates U.S. federal civil rights law.

And so Dick’s executives and CEO and corporate leaders are all engaged in this scheme to break the law and violate the rights of their employees so we fired a formal federal civil rights complaint following a process outlined in federal civil rights law to hopefully initiate action against Dick’s Sporting Goods for violating all of these various federal laws.

And I would also say to everyone listening today if you are an employee of Dick’s Sporting Goods, if you know someone who is an employee, please contact us at AFLegal.org — that’s AFLegal dot O-R-G — so that we can potentially represent you if facts warrant.

CLAY: Steve, this is amazing. The work that you’re doing, because, on the one hand, if you take a step back, this is one of the most craven business moves I’ve ever seen because if you have a baby, you are pregnant and you have to — which is why we have protection for pregnant moms, you’re working through your pregnancy, you typically are taking time off after you have a baby. When they are paying people to have abortions, they’re basing ensuring that they have no lost workdays, right?

I mean, on the one hand, if you go back and actually look at this, it’s like, wow, this is incredibly craven. And so that angle —

MILLER: It’s most self-interested, cold-blooded bottom-line calculation you can imagine, which is basically you’re not gonna miss time for your OB/GYN appointments, you’re not gonna miss time for bonding with the new kid, you’re just gonna keep showing up, you’re gonna grind it out in our stores on the corporate ladder and you’re not gonna miss a day and, so we’re basically gonna save money by paying you to have an abortion. Really sick stuff.

CLAY: Yeah. And so that part of, I think, of this lawsuit is utterly wild. But also I’m curious what you expect — Buck and I have talked some on this show about the Supreme Court finally taking back up affirmative action.

You mentioned civil rights violations predicated on hiring or firing based on race are not permitted under United States law. What do you think is going to happen when the affirmative action case which has been taken by the Supreme Court and will be heard this fall presumably based on just looking at the past writings and also the Supreme Court makeup right now is going to be struck down.

What is that going to do to your opportunity to also pursue lawsuits like these?

MILLER: Well, it’s gonna be revolutionary. The Supreme Court ruling in the affirmative action case, which is really just a racial quotes case confused as affirmative action has the potential to be earth-shattering.

I believe that we have five judges who will vote to uphold equal justice and equal rights in America. And that’s what this comes down to. You have in this case Harvard University but you have universities all over the country that are engaging in wantonly virulently discriminatory behavior, based solely on skin color or iniquity background in a way that is so plainly in violation of federal law, not to mention the equal-protection clause of the Constitution. It is just so completely, transparently lawless. I pray to God we’ll get those five votes and that will open up hopefully the floodgates to much needed litigation to begin shutting down these practices all across the private and public sector.

BUCK: We’re speaking to Stephen Miller, former senior adviser to President Trump and the current president of the America First Legal foundation.

Stephen, you also may have seen that a federal judge just a couple of days ago blocked the Biden education department’s expansion effectively of Title IX through guidance which would have been prohibitively discriminating based on gender identity so this now brings the trans issue into Title IX and federal civil rights law.

The judge put a temporary hold on this one, but essentially you’ve got 20 Republican attorneys general led by Tennessee attorney general Herbert Slattery in Clay’s home state saying, well, what with R we supposed to do about gender segregated sports under Title IX saying that trans individuals can’t be discriminated against? How do you see this playing out?

MILLER: Well, that’s an incredibly important ruling. And, you know, one of the reasons why I got into litigation after leaving the administration is because so many — no — frankly most of our cultural battles that are gonna be the future of this country are gonna be decided in a court of law.

And so we’re beginning tows a lot of brave attorneys general fighting back against the radical gender ideology and the administration’s implementation of it in our court system. And my organization has a very important lawsuit in this area as well.

And I would say that the — it gets back to the same issue, which is that all of these trans policies are facially discriminatory against women. And so we created this whole body of federal civil rights law to protect women’s spaces, to create separate leagues for women’s sports, in order to ensure that women are not discriminated against because they are women.

And now we have in the name of trans ideology we have men taking opportunities away from women right and left, not to mention invading their person spaces.

I mean, we’ve all seen the stories about, you know, for example, making men parading around women’s locker rooms and things of that nature. In fact, my organization has a lawsuit against Loudoun County Public Schools in Virginia which alleges, among other things, that students are being forced to share bathrooms and locker rooms against their will with the opposite sex.

CLAY: It’s absolutely insane. I mean, it truly is.

Stephen, we were talking to Senator Ron Johnson last hour, and I don’t know that we ever would have ended in a situation where you have to, in order to be able to get a Democrat nomination for the state or Senate, you have to be willing to not say that only women can get pregnant. Like you have to say men can get pregnant or they will not nominate you basically for a statewide or certainly national office now.

MILLER: It’s become the most important litmus test in America.

CLAY: Yeah.

MILLER: And we would be wise to use it in reverse to say to the American people, do not support any person for any position of power anywhere in this country, from your school board to the office of the presidency, if they are not prepared to say that only women can get pregnant.

CLAY: It’s wild that we ever got here.

BUCK: We’re now on the cutting edge of conservative theory here by just saying only men can get pregnant, Clay. This is where we are.

CLAY: Only women can get pregnant. You got crossed over there.

BUCK: Pardon me.

CLAY: Buck’s gonna be the nominee for the Democrats in 2024 now.

BUCK: Only women can get pregnant. Sorry. Sorry.

CLAY: Last question —

MILLER: — great meme about this that I encourage everyone to think about today which it was a picture of someone trying to get off the Titanic.

CLAY: I shared it this morning. It’s so good.

MILLER: Yes. Only women and children can leave and then the gentleman says something to the effect of, oh, I’m trans. How would the Titanic evacuations worked if the trans ideology had been in place back then? A great question.

CLAY: Such a great meme for people out there who remember the movie Titanic, the bad guy in Titanic is trying to get on the lifeboats, and the guy says, only women and children, and then the next shot is him saying, I’m trans. I mean, it really is ridiculous and funny. But what would you do?

BUCK: One of Billy Zane’s better moments in film is when they say, “Half the people on this ship are going to drown.” He’s like, “Not the better half.” By the way, he definitely is a Biden voter. I’m just gonna say it.

CLAY: Oh, my goodness. That is a fantastic line. Stephen, we appreciate the time. Keep up the good work.

MILLER: Thank you. Talk soon.

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Lia Thomas Nominated for “Woman of the Year”, Riley Gaines Fires Back

18 Jul 2022

CLAY: One big story that popped over the weekend that continues to define the craziness of the modern Democrat Party, you’ll remember Lia Thomas, Penn’s transgender swimmer who won the 500, the University of Pennsylvania nominated her for Woman of the Year. This is a top award given out by the NCAA for the top women’s athletes.

And we are going to have — I give credit to her for speaking out — one of the women who swam directly against Lia Thomas, Riley Gaines from the University of Kentucky. And, Buck, I don’t know if you saw her tweet, but she responded to me when I put out this story about Lia Thomas.

And most women’s athletes have been afraid to say something — even the parents have been afraid to say what they really think. And I just want to hit you with these tweets that she sent. And I read them, and I was like — thank you. Thank you that someone is finally actually speaking out and saying what virtually anyone with a functioning brain believes, which is a biological man shouldn’t get the opportunity to compete against women.

Here’s what Riley Gaines said, Buck. There’s a picture up of Lia Thomas standing next to Riley Gaines after their race, and she said as follows. “Being the real girl in that photo and also the University of Kentucky’s nominee for NCAA Woman of the Year, this is yet another slap in the face to women. First, a female national title, which was won by Lia Thomas and now nominated for the pinnacle award in collegiate athletics, the NCAA has made this award worthless.”

She continued. “This award combines athletic performance with academic service and character. What character has Thomas shown other than sheer selfishness and entitlement? The disrespect and disregard for the other female athletes in Thomas’ interviews is eye opening. ”

Wow. Well said, Riley Gaines, University of Kentucky should be proud because that’s also well written and well delivered. She is well educated, and she is not afraid, and she’s gonna be on with us now, Buck, Wednesday of this week to discuss this story.

BUCK: Popping cannonballs of truth into the deep end of the pool there.

CLAY: How great is that?

BUCK: That was phenomenal. So true. But there is a broader point here as well, and it is that the libs, the media, same thing; so passive-aggressive on this issue all the time. They’ll say, what’s the big deal? Just use someone’s preferred promouns,what’s the big deal? Just be accepting. It is not that many people. Why do you care so much?

They try to exhaust the general public on these topics. And then it’s, oh, look at this, we’re giving the Woman of the Year award to a man. You sit here and say, hold on a second. I thought you said this wasn’t a big — Woman of the Year? What a slap in the face to women, right? But this is what they always do: “Why is it such a big deal? Why can’t you be nicer? Why can’t you be more accommodating?” And they exhaust you with that.

And then the moment that, you know, you think, all right. Well, you know, maybe I guess — they go, oh, Woman of the Year is actually a man. This is the way they play the game all the time, particularly on this issue because the general public is not with them on this.

CLAY: Yeah. And to Riley Gaines’ point, this is the unmatched ward for excellent delivered by the NBA. And all of these women have worked their entire lives to be the nominees of their respective schools; so I think the University position deserved a great deal of criticism here.

But the fact that 99% of women’s athletes agree with Riley Gaines but are afraid to say what they really think ’cause they’re worried about whether they’ll get a job at an investment bank, Buck, they’re worried about whether they’ll get into a grad school and so as a result they have this stultifying culture of silence.

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Minneapolis Mom Confronts BLM Protesters After Shooting

18 Jul 2022

BUCK: Now, we discussed a bit of crime stories today. We had a mass shooting that was averted from being a mass casualty event, would have been much bigger mass casualty event than it was. I believe three people were killed in that shooting in Indiana.

We’ve got more of the Uvalde after-action report to look at. And it’s just — it was a total breakdown. I’ve been saying it for weeks. Clay’s been saying it for weeks. This is just the reality.

And we still have, I think, as one of the top three issues in the country driving sentiment for voters and pushing people to consider not just the Biden administration but the Democrat approach, the Democrat platform to have been disastrously wrong-headed — and that might be far too kind way of putting it — is on the issue of crime.

And on what has been done to this country, not just about defunding the police — defund police was one of many symptoms of the anti-law enforcement, anti-law and order left. There are progressive prosecutors. There’s the ending of mass incarceration legislation, no-cash bail, all of these things. In the state of California a district attorney who hopefully will lose his job soon, Clay.

CLAY: Yes.

BUCK: Gascon, who decided that he could override the three strikes law that his own state legislature passed because he felt like it. All of this, this attitude of legalizing criminality, of being a friend to the criminals and ignoring the victims in our society, this has led to deterioration all across the country.

And I bring you now the story out of Minneapolis over the weekend where you had an individual named Tekle Sundberg who was standing outside an apartment building over the weekend on Saturday, and he was shot he multiple rounds, multiple rounds into a woman’s apartment. She was home. Her name is Arabella Foss-Yarbrough, she was home with her two children when bullets are going right through her window from someone standing right there — it’s not like it was an errant bullet from a mile away — he’s shooting into her apartment, misses her and her children. There’s then a multihour standoff with law enforcement.

Tekle Sundberg refuses, despite the entreaties of law enforcement and his own father to come down from a ledge and to stop being a threat, a lethal threat to people around him, law enforcement finally says we cannot risk this any more, a shoot him, a sharpshooter at the law enforcement scene shot him, and, Clay, all of a sudden we have BLM protests about how this was racist ’cause Tekle Sundberg is a 20-year-old black man.

So they’re saying this is racist. It doesn’t appear to be racist to the woman who confronted the BLM protesters how hard. Here she is as she’s telling everybody that she almost had her life taken away.

FOSS-YARBROUGH: That man was armed. George Floyd was not armed. Breonna Taylor was not armed. This man attempted to try to kill us. Why didn’t you give him help when he was alive. How can you guys celebrate a man that tried to kill us?

CLAY: It’s kind of amazing that all of the BLM protesters were protesting on behalf of a guy who almost killed a mom and her kids. And not only did that happen, she then went out into the street and confronted them to say, hey, y’all are protesting on behalf of a guy who tried to kill me. I’m not sure that we have ever seen a more unjust protest directly confronted by a witness to how unjust the protest was.

BUCK: To the victim! To the victim. The woman who was huddling with her children as the bullets were going.

CLAY: The actual victim in this case went out, to her credit — would have been easy for her to hide — and actually confronted all these protesters. And this is where we are, Buck. This is where we are.

There is such a desperate demand for victims that number of victims is not supplying the need for the anger and the angst on behalf of the protesters. This happened in New York City last — was it last summer, Buck, when — do you remember there was a big fight outside of a restaurant in New York City because — that was when New York City was requiring vaccine proof and then they tried to accuse the Asian woman working the front counter at the restaurant in New York City of being racist and BLM started to protest outside of the restaurant. And they said, wait a minute. You can see it on the video.

All she was doing is having to ask for proof of vaccination, which was stupid, we all know. But that was her job at the front desk. She did nothing wrong. And BLM was like, we’re gonna shut this place down if we have to. And then it fizzled out when the video came out they said, well, you know, this girl — first of all, she’s a 22-year-old Asian girl or whatever she was — not exactly somebody in a position of great power working the front counter of a restaurant. And it’s similar here.

The demand for victimization is far greater than the supply; so you end up with situations such as these.

BUCK: And what we didn’t play in that audio because mostly because it would turn into a lot of bleeps because we couldn’t air it was that the protesters — so let’s just set the scene again. Apartment building, crazy guy shooting a gun into his neighbor’s apartment, standoff with police, he is shot because he is a clear and present danger to those around him.

CLAY: Show but a sniper while he’s armed after he had tried to shoot into this apartment.

BUCK: And then the BLM, you know, hey, what are we gonna do this weekend? Let’s all get together and protest police violence ’cause we’re really cool and moral. They get together and have a vigil and a march at this apartment being for the crazy guy who was shooting at people, okay, look it’s a sad situation insofar as the guy clearly has, you know, mental illness, but what are you gonna do?

You gonna let him kill people? I mean, there are crazy people running around.

CLAY: He’s armed, firing his weapon. What do you expect for police to do and what should they do? They should take him out.

BUCK: And the mother here of the two children who had to huddle with her own children in her apartment as her neighbor is shooting at her confront these protesters, and you know what they do? They heap verbal abuse on her. That was the other — “You’re still alive. You should, you know, shut the bleep up.” I mean, you know, they start start attacking her.

CLAY: How dare you tell your story. Yeah.

BUCK: They start attacking her. The woman who is just trying to live her life with her babies, her children, is getting shot at and the oh-so-moral and self-righteous BLM protesters are attacking her because she throws a little problem into their narrative.

But, see, this is always true. BLM likes to elevate people as martyrs who are often criminals and who are even engaged in violent criminal acts at the point of violence with law enforcement or others. And they don’t care about actual victims of crime.

CLAY: Yeah. And Minneapolis, which is where this is taking place, Buck, of all cities in America, I’m not sure there is a city right now that is under more duress because of BLM protests than Minneapolis. They can’t hire people to actually be cops in Minneapolis. The number of actual police on the streets in Minneapolis has collapsed. They have off-the-charts-level crime — murder, violent acts. If you’re listening to us right now in Minneapolis, you know exactly what I’m talking about because people left. As soon as — this is the truth.

This is one of the things that Rush nailed. The Drive-By Media shows up to cover the protests, they don’t stay in any way to cover the consequences of the protest, because the media is not there anymore and who’s how unsafe Minneapolis is, they don’t see all the police deciding to resign and retire rather than continue to work.

And they don’t cover the victims of the massive increase in violence who are overwhelmingly — guess what? — black and inner city residents who no longer have the police to help protect them, and the media doesn’t care about their story anymore.

And the same thing for these BLM protesters who show up protesting this guy who was trying to kill people that the police took out, making tensions even greater inside the community.

I believe the video we showed, Buck, we talked about of the little kid who was throwing punches, remember the, like, toddler? That was Minneapolis too. The culture of rot that has taken root in many of our cities but particularly places like Minneapolis is so bad that you’re creating the situation for more interactions of violence between police and the people they’re trying to protect in the years ahead.

BUCK: Local police come from the communities that they police. They’re actually people’s neighbors who happen to have a gun and a badge and a job to do. But this treatment of law enforcement as the enemy, particularly in high-crime neighborhoods as part of this ethos of the far left, this idea that the cops are the problem, this is the inversion of reality.

This results in a 30% increase in homicides nationwide and a lot more people going to funerals for teenagers and little kids and people in their twenties who are being murdered at completely horrific rates in cities like Chicago and Minneapolis and many others now.

And one of the things that holds this all back is that the Democrat apparatus does not want the public to see that they admit they were wrong about all of this.

So they’d rather just keep this moving along as it is than say, “Wow. Wow. All that bending the knee and BLM is so important for society” that was done in June and July and August of 2020 by corporate America, by everybody on the left and all the Democrats, it was atrocious for everybody. BLM made everything worse for everyone.

CLAY: Thousands of people are dead today that would have been alive if police were able to do their jobs. And the only time violence gets covered, by and large — I think that Chicago — Highland Park, as awful as it was, Buck, that happens every single weekend in Chicago, except it’s inner city victims and nobody cares. No media covers it.

Every weekend virtually all year round in Chicago they have a Highland Park total crime victim tally like that, and almost no one even blinks. It barely even makes the news.

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Manchin Stands Firm Against Biden’s Spending Bill

18 Jul 2022

MANCHIN: The Build Back Better way back then was a complete social realignment, everything in order to throw at it, and I was very clear, when the president and I talked, I said, Mr. President, this piece of legislation is gonna change our country from when John Kennedy said “Ask not what your country can do for you, what you can do for your country,” that piece of legislation will change us to how much more can my country do for me?

And we are at 30 and a half trillion dollars of debt and climbing. And we have to be serious about this, but inflation is wreaking havoc on everybody’s lives. I don’t care what social rung you’re on. So that’s why that one killed — there’s no such thing as Build Back Better again. This is a financial security and energy security. This is what this is about.

BUCK: That’s Senator Joe Manchin of West Virginia, a lone, sane voice in the Senate when it comes to Democrats. I mean, Kyrsten Sinema is not quite as reliably not crazy as he is, but she’s also been willing to stand up and say, hey, you guys, this whole spending trillions more when we have terrible inflation is a really bad idea.

Clay, I’m sure you saw there’s all this polling now coming out constantly about how what is the reality for the American people right now? Not for multimillionaire CNN anchors and, you know, Nancy Pelosi, whose husband has a remarkable ability to trade the stock market and to buy things right before legislation is passed that will dramatically increase the value. And Nancy Pelosi was opposed to insider training prohibition for members of Congress based on political information. Hmm.

But look. There’s so much corruption with the Democrats, and we only have so much time in any given day. We’re probably gonna do a whole hour of Hunter Biden’s mess tomorrow. But, Clay, this is a moment where the American people are saying — they’re cutting back on going to restaurants, traveling, traveling to see family members, traveling for vacation — and this comes after we’d all been locked into our homes, right?

This comes after we had had our freedom taken away and now financial freedom for a lot of people just in their day-to-day not, you know, slapping the butler around with a thousand-dollar bill. But being able to take the family to a, you know, national park or Disney or whatever, people all across the country are skipping this because they can’t afford it ’cause they’re worried about gas, they’re worried about the price of food, the price of the meat they need, the price of paying the mortgage every month.

And what’s the Democrat answer for this? Let’s just spend more money.

CLAY: Yeah. My father-in-law was in town last weekend, and I’ve talked about this before; he’s from the Detroit area and he runs a meat packing plant. And he was showing me, he was signing all of the bills and paying everything. And he was showing me how much more everything costs in order to do his business versus what it did last year. And it’s all pretty extraordinary when you look at the prices of meat.

And that’s why the real dollars that everybody should be paying attention to is, what are your-take-home wages and what can you buy for those wages? Joe Biden in the last 18 months, if you have a job out there, most of you, including us, are taking home less than we were before Joe Biden took office.

And what I mean by that is real income, because given the fact that inflation’s at now 9.1%, unless in the last 18 months you have gotten a wage increase of more than 9%, you, even if you’ve made a little bit more money — let’s say you got a two or three or four percent wage increase — your effective income has gone down. And of course Joe Biden claimed I’m not gonna raise taxes on anyone making $400,000 or less. That was the big claim that he made.

Now, without Senator Manchin, the honest truth is he would have raised taxes on many people making under $400,000 a year. But inflation is a default tax, and that default tax strikes at people who spend a majority of the money that they make on day-to-day purchases. And so all of this has become, unfortunately, a drag on almost everyone.

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18 Jul 2022

CLAY: We are joined by our good friend Senator Ron Johnson from the great state of Wisconsin. He’s been down to the border. We’ll get to that in a sec. But, Senator Johnson, I gotta say, everyone who is trying to run against you from the Democrat Party in Wisconsin refused to answer whether they believed — I’m not making this up — if men could get pregnant.

I really think whenever you have your debate against whoever this chump is who they put forward, if you just say a bunch of times, “Can you just answer the question once and for all, yes, can men get pregnant?” I can’t imagine that Wisconsin’s gonna vote for a senator who believes that men can get pregnant. Just that issue alone crystallizes how crazy the Democrats have become.

SEN. JOHNSON: Well, it just illustrates how insane political discourse is today. By and large, I think that whole issue was meant to be a hit job on me for actually saying that, really, I hate to say this but, you know, men can’t get pregnant. Here’s a news flash. But, no, listen. The state of our politics is depressing, quite honestly.

CLAY: Did you ever believe you’d be running for the Senate and one of the issues that you would be debating with your Democrat opponent would be whether men could get pregnant or not?

SEN. JOHNSON: There’s a host of issues that I don’t think we ever thought we’d have to defend. Like say the basic benefit of the nuclear family. We’d have to actually, you know, argue for that, or that we shouldn’t be indoctrinating our children in school, that we shouldn’t be allowing schools to, for example, inject gender blocking drugs in our children without parental consent.

I mean, there’s so many issues the left is pushing. You know, men, biological men competing against women, it never even crossed our minds that that would ever become a political issue. That’s what the radical left is pushing on America. I hope Americans don’t think this is normalized. This kind of behavior, these types of issues are not normal.

BUCK: Senator Johnson, this is Buck. I know you were just at the border, and we tried to do as much as we can here on the show to keep everybody up to speed and up to date on what’s happening at the porous Biden border right now.

I remember going myself years ago into San Diego sector or right next to Tijuana and I was asking for some, what’s really going on here? And they were saying, well, you know, the unaccompanied minors, we had an unaccompanied minor who was 32. who claimed to be 17. Just to give a sense of what kind of scams were being run and what was really happening.

What were some of the things that you saw, I mean, what were some of the stories, the takeaways from your time at the border as it’s being overrun right now by lawlessness and illegality?

SEN. JOHNSON: I’ve made so many trips to the border, but you always learn something new. You see something more profoundly disturbing.

But past the basic statistics, for example, over three million people been encountered at the border since Joe Biden took office. That’s more than 6,000 people per day. A large caravan per day. We had a briefing, you do a back of-the-envelope calculation, you realize just the people encountered is about $18.3 billion per year business. This is what Biden’s open border policies facilitating a multibillion-dollar, 18.3 billion-dollar a year business model with some of the most evil people on the planet, okay?

But let me talk about how profoundly disturbing this is. You can hear the statistics, you can see the pictures, but until you’re actually on the border and you see a group of migrants come, couple women, bunch of young people. And you are introduced to a 6-year-old and 7-year-old girl that are unaccompanied, that all they have is a little plastic bag with their birth certificate and a note card with a phone number and an address. That’s it.

That’s the only thing that connects them to somebody that apparently they know in the U.S., that piece of paper and they’re just lost. A Fox News reporter was there on the scene. And he’s been doing, you know, Bill…

BUCK: Bill Melugin.

CLAY: Yeah, he does fantastic work.

SEN. JOHNSON: Yeah, Bill Melugin was telling us at that same spot not too in the distant past two similar-age girls were being treated by CBP because they’d just been brutally raped. We were looking at a 6- and 7-year-old little girl.

One thing I found out — we all found about, never heard this one before, they — the human traffickers will taunt Customs and Border Patrol about how completely impotent they are because of Biden’s open border policy with what they call either a taunting tree or a rape tree or a panty tree, which is basically what they do is they just put the panties of some woman they’ve — or girl that they’ve sexually assaulted on a tree, load that tree up just to taunt Customs and Border Patrol, to say there’s nothing you can do to stop us. It’s sick.

You know, the other thing people need to realize, the border is 100 percent controlled on the Mexican side. Nobody’s crossing the border without paying that human trafficking fee to, again, some of the most evil people on the planet.

So if we could control the border, if there was any will on the part of this administration to do so and of course there’s not. I mean, this administration wants open border policies with all the human depredations — the rapes, the deadly drugs, the sex trafficking, the involuntary servitude, the beatings. I mean, t’s horrific. And, of course, the mainstream media’s, by and large, ignoring it, you know, other than pour people like Bill Melugin and a few other news outlets, this radio program, it’s just not being covered. It’s being covered up by the mainstream, the complicit and corrupt mainstream media.

CLAY: We’re talking to Senator Ron Johnson from Wisconsin. Senator, in addition to your trip to the border and the battles that you are fighting there, I’m sure you saw that Dr. Fauci said he will be retiring by January of 2025. And Buck and I have already been talking about that.

It’s far too long to allow him to be in office for that much longer. But I want to know if you and the Republicans take back control of the Senate — and we feel very good about Republicans taking back control of the House — what will that mean to Dr. Fauci when he wakes up in January of 2023?

SEN. JOHNSON: I think he’ll resign on the spot because he’s not gonna want the truth revealed. I’ve written something like over 40 oversight levels in some aspect of covid. Gotten responses. They’re nonresponsive response. They’re not really answering the questions.

Right now we are going through 400 pages of the 4,000 emails that were FOIA’d and delivered heavily redacted. We identified 400 pages we want to look — you know, review unredacted. Congress is not subject to redactions.

The problem is HHS wouldn’t give those to us. They finally agreed to allow us to look at these in a reading room unredacted, no copies made, just taking notes, 50 pages at a time. It’s been a six-month process going through about 350 pages. We’re down to the last 50 pages. They will not give us those last 50 pages unredacted.

I mean, I’m sure that’s where the real incriminating information resides. It’s just like with the Pfizer documents. You know, they’re releasing those in 90,000 page traunches. I can tell you that the real incriminating information in terms of the trials that were not robust as they should have been, I’m sure the worst information for Pfizer is gonna come out in the last traunche.

BUCK: Speaking to Senator Ron Johnson. Senator, we know that your race is a critical one coming up here for the Senate and want to tell everybody, they want to help, they want to get involved, we’re number one in Milwaukee. We’ve got people listening all across the state. Where should they go?

SEN. JOHNSON: RonJohnsonforSenate.com. They’ve already spent $44 million against me and I don’t even have an opponent yet. This has all been dark money. So I’m gonna need a lot of help.

RonJohnsonforSenate.com. Anything do you would be highly appreciated. This is the crucial Senate seat. This will determine, I think, control of the U.S. Senate. We’ve gotta win it.

BUCK: I think he’s right, folks, and we do have to win it, and Ron’s the man for the job. Senator Johnson, thanks for being with us.

SEN. JOHNSON: Have a great day.

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18 Jul 2022

CLAY: I thought this one was fascinating because I bet the vast majority of you have not heard anything about this story. Let me give you some details.

Greenwood Park Mall is outside of Indianapolis. I know we’ve got a lot of listeners in the Indianapolis area. We appreciate all of you. “A 22-year-old Indiana man being called a hero…” — I’m reading directly from OutKick ’cause you’re probably not seeing this story very many places — “A gunman opened fire in the mall’s food court, killed three people, one woman, two men, injured two others, would have continued to fire, had a ton of ammunition with him, until a Good Samaritan pulled out his own concealed weapon and killed this mass shooter. Yes, a good guy with a gun killed a bad guy with a gun.”

I’m gonna read a couple of quotes here. “The real hero of the day is the citizen that was lawfully caring a firearm in that food court and was able to stop the shooter almost as soon as he began.” That is Greenwood police chief Jim Ison. Greenwood mayor Mark Myers joined the police chief, also commanding the actions of the good guy with the gun. “We do know that someone we are calling a Good Samaritan was able to shoot the assailant and stop further bloodshed. This person saved lives tonight,” the mayor said, “I am grateful for his quick action and heroism.”

So, if you out there are listening right now and you say, wait, I didn’t know there was a mass shooting in Greenwood, Indiana, I didn’t have any clue that this mall shooter existed and that he was stopped by a good guy with a gun.

I would submit to you, Buck — and you’re partly in this camp, right? We were talking off air before the show and you were saying, wait, this happened? It’s the story almost completely vanished as soon as they found out a good guy with a gun ended it.

BUCK: Right. Isn’t this a moment where the media could tell a story to elevate a brave citizen, an armed citizen? I know there are people who were hit in this attack, and that’s a tragedy. But it would have been far worse.

CLAY: Yes.

BUCK: — if a good guy with a gun had not stepped up here and ended the threat.

And there are other instances like this, and some of them are captured on video. I’m sure our audience will remember back in 2019, December of 2019 there was a packed church of over 200 people who had gathered down in Texas and a shooter came into the church, crazy person, gonna shoot as many people in the church as possible. A fellow named Jack Wilson, who is a volunteer member of the church’s security team who was also a concealed carry instructor and just a long term — he’s a gun guy. You know, there are gun guys. There are the guys who are very — and gals who have devoted a lot of their lives to understanding, using firearms. He pulled — he drew and pulled one shot off and hit the guy in the head and ended the threat right away. Saved dozens of lives in that instance.

Now, this is fascinating from the perspective of policy because we just went through with the Democrats the, “We need to expand background checks. We need to end the gun show loophole for private sales.” And they talk about all this. And their theory is always, eventually, if it saves just one life, or that’s behind all of this. Good guys and can we just say good guy, slash, gal, right?

Good person with gun has clearly demonstrated in many, many mass shootings over the years to have saved perhaps dozens, maybe hundreds of lives when you add — and those are the ones where there’s actually an exchange of gunfire.

Sometimes a good guy with a gun only has to draw and old the person there until law enforcement arrived. There are other instances where there hasn’t been — you know, they’ve essentially averted a mass shooting or what could have been a mass shooting before it even occurred. But this clearly has saved lives.

Why is it that the expansion of funding for red flag laws which have never been proven to save a life or something that Democrats get so excited about? And yet this law-abiding gun owner saving lives here, they bury it, Clay.

To your point, I was doing my reading today, I didn’t even see this story because it was not something that any — a mass shooting in a mall, that should be a head — a major story. Oh, it doesn’t fit the narrative. And ultimately they tell you they want to save more people and the left and libs say that their opposition to firearms is about saving lives, but it’s actually ideological.

They don’t want you to have guns. It’s really not about stopping the next mass shooting because they don’t even look at what stops mass shootings.

CLAY: I had to tell our crew at OutKick — and I still manage a lot of the editorial decisions that are made at OutKick on a daily basis, hey, let’s get on this. Most of the people at OutKick didn’t know about this story.

And you just think about — some people could say, well, the good guy with the gun — usually there’s not a good guy with a gun. Okay, usually there aren’t mass shootings. Okay. So covering a mass shooting in the first place as, Buck, we have talked about, only about 1% of the murders that take place in this nation on a day-to-day basis are from mass shootings.

BUCK: And that’s including, by the way, just three or more people under the FBI data. If it’s four or more people in a situation that involves wanton, random violence, it’s even less than 1%.

CLAY: I flagged this, Tom Bevan at Real Clear Politics put it out, and it’s certainly true. On July 4th seven people killed in a horrific mass shooting in Highland Park outside of Chicago. It was national newsfor days. This past weekend, seven more people killed, 18 wounded in Chicago. It won’t even get a wire story in most national newspapers because murders in Chicago are so common. The only time they get covered is when it is a mass shooting.

The reason why I bring that up is mass shootings are outlier events. So even if a good guy with a gun is an outlier event, still a pretty big story for a 22-year-old to stop what might have been otherwise 10, 15, 20 people from getting shot and/or murdered inside of a mall. Seems like kind of a heroic thing. Maybe we should be praising this guy, telling his story.

BUCK: And lawful conceal carry owners — the data on this is very clear — are not only more law-abiding than the general public, lawful concealed carry holders are more law-abiding than law enforcement, per capita. So this notion of, oh, we give more people — we give more law-abiding citizens the right to conceal carry. It’s gonna be like the wild west.

No, it just means that people can enjoy their Second Amendment rights do so responsibly and there will be times like this where they stop — this would have been a horrific mass shooting.

And also, Clay, comes when we’re finding out even more —

CLAY: Yeah. The Uvalde thing —

BUCK: — about the Uvalde. The people who say you should only trained law enforcement should ever be able to show up. Look. Just like every profession, right, there are good doctors and bad doctors. I keep telling people, go into the doctor, not enough. You gotta find a good doctor because there are plenty of bad doctors who don’t care. T

here’s good law enforcement — and fortunately for us in this country the vast majority of our law enforcement are very good people — but there’s also cops who mess up or cops who are bad guys. That also happens.

You shouldn’t be reliant entirely on law enforcement. And I can’t help but notice that at the same time that they’re trying to disarm citizens we’re finding out after this mass shooting in Uvalde, this was horrific. I mean, they sat there for over an hour — there’s all this video of them in the hallway. They didn’t do a damn thing. Here’s Texas State representative Dustin Burroughs saying that they just should have done more.

BUCK: Clay, there were hundreds of officers on the scene.

CLAY: Yep.

BUCK: It seemed they were more focused on creating a cordon to prevent people, including a cop who was like, “I’m going in, I’m going in, my wife is in there.”

They tackled him and disarmed him so they could sit in the hallway and do nothing. They had ballistic shields, long guns, bullet resistant vests, you know, Kevlar, they did nothing. Nothing for over an hour.

CLAY: They got eight or nine calls at least to 911 from inside of the classroom. And we talked about this. This is one that we nailed, our callers nailed, we opened up phone lines to allow all of you to weigh in.

And ultimately before they went in, Buck, 376 police officers were present at that school standing outside of a classroom while kids and teachers were being held hostage by a madman.

If you go watch this video, which was released from inside of the school. You can see the school shooter come in, the door was unlocked, which is something that still has not been explained well.

Kid walks right in, kid, 22-year-old, whoever he was, walks right down the hallway within two or three minutes, police come rushing in after him, they go somewhat close to the classroom, he fires a couple of shots, they run back, nobody then approaches the door for over an hour and 20 minutes. There are police bunched in gobs of them in the hallway. Nobody goes in.

So the point on this that ties in with the shooting in the mall is sometimes police make poor decisions. And one of the big issues there, Buck, appears to be no one in ever took control of the scene. And as all of these police kept arriving, the command and authority was messed up.

But the first flaw, the essence of this flaw — and I know every single police officer who watched those videos felt sick to their stomach — the number one rule in mass shootings since Columbine has been when you are the first officer on the scene, you go after the shooter until you can’t go anymore. And if that shooter shoots you, the next man follows you in, next man in after that, and part of that is you take the focus away from the innocent kids and the teachers.

If you are a police officer and you didn’t go in there, frankly, you don’t deserve to be a police officer because that’s the number one reason most of them become police officers is to protect the innocent.

BUCK: If children being murdered by an armed psychopath right within your hearing, right within a few yards of where you’re standing does not make you want to come up with a plan on the spot to immediately engage the threat in a gun battle — and, yes, that means taking fire, that means you might actually die in the line of your job.

I worked in a job where people die in the line of the job. It happens. We got stars on the wall because of it. If you’re not willing to do that, you should not be carrying a badge and a gun.

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CLAY: Some people in media are finding out, Buck, what you and I hear all the time, that trust in media is at an all-time low. And it just keeps getting worse. And the fact that journalists don’t realize this, the Blue Check Brigade, as I like to call ’em sitting around on Twitter all day, here’s NBC’s Katy Tur discussing the fact that everybody hates them.

BUCK: Ooh, I have a good answer for it. Yes, she is doing more harm than good. Yes, the people who are a part of Democrat-aligned media who don’t tell you that that’s what they’re doing are lying to you, they are inherently engaged in dishonesty. CNN — MSNBC is a little bit more honest about its political leanings.

But NBC News, for example, NBC News is lib news. CBS, lib news, New York Times, lib news. If they were at least honest about it we could start to have a more forthright conversation, but what the public has seen is that this has been — it had to be trending in this direction for a long time.

Trump broke these institutions. They no longer could even cling to the fiction that they were nonpartisan, just down-the-center journos. Right? I mean, CNN turned into an anti-Trump network. That’s all it was doing all day long. And then they started to admit it. They started to say, you know, at a time of so much danger to the country, it would be immoral for us not to be opposed to half the country’s preferred president, which is exactly what they did.

CLAY: What also everybody out there saw is social media over time reveals you for what you are. And the idea that these people who you saw on social media behaving irrationally and directly in allegiance with often the Democrat Party, that they would claim that their newspapers were calling it fair, you all saw behind — it’s like the Wizard of Oz when suddenly you see, wait a minute, who’s actually manipulating everything? The great and powerful Oz.

Well, all of this media you saw, you saw behind the curtain and the reality of what exactly was going on. And I think so much of media is — and you know, Buck, ’cause you’ve been involved and certainly I have too — so many people all believe the same thing and they all live in the same place and their kids all go to the same schools and their social circles are also similar that they really in New York and L.A. have very little understanding or comprehension of what people in the rest of America live like, the so-called flyover country.

And we talk to people of all variety of persuasions all over the country every single day, and I think we have an understanding way better of our audience that most of these journalists do of theirs.

BUCK: Yes. The journalist class at the corporate media outlets is overwhelmingly comprised of people who — they had a pathway to certain liberal institutions — obviously, the colleges in the Northeast and some of the more elite on the U.S. News ranking schools out there. And they effectively thought that they need to explain to the rest of the country what’s really going on because they’re almost born to this, they’re the anointed.

CLAY: Yes.

BUCK: And what you’ve seen is that a lot of people — I mean, you know, you did something before you got into media. I did something before I got into media. It’s important to have actually just showed up at a place where people were paying you money tied job and see how that goes for a while before you think that you should explain life to individuals all across the country, right?

You know, maybe spend some time in some places where there’s real deprivation, where there’s really risk in day-to-day life and then you get a very different sense of what reality is.

CLAY: Yeah. And it’s staggering to me how still tone-deaf — you mentioned Trump. Trump broke these organizations. But the true incredible irony is, they became everything that they told you Trump was.

BUCK: Yep.

CLAY: They became authoritarians. They refused to brook dissent on any issues. The media became the tyrant version of Trump that they claimed he was.

BUCK: They kept saying they were fighting authoritarianism. And if you look at any authoritarian regime, they don’t have 90%, 95% of the media against the regime. The threat of authoritarianism, my friends, comes from right now, where they’re all lapdogs for the Biden administration. That’s what we’re actually fighting against here on this show.

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FAUCI: What happened is that I gave an interview with a reporter and they said, you know, you’re gonna have to step down some time. You can’t be in this job forever. And I said you’re absolutely right. I can’t be in this job forever, and I don’t anticipate I’ll be in this job before the end — at the end of the first term of President Biden, which is January 2025. Somehow that got interpreted that it’s announcing my retirement. I just said that it is extremely unlikely — in fact, for sure — that I’m not gonna be here beyond January 2025. So sometime between now, Kate, and January 2025 you can guarantee I’ll step down.

BUCK: Well, I guess we can all be excited about that prospect. Welcome back to Clay and Buck.

Dr. Fauci. Wasn’t he initially hired by president Warren G. Harding? I mean, I think he has been in the job forever, as much as anyone could be in the job forever. Wasn’t Fauci, you know, around in the McKinley era? I mean, it’s been a long time that he’s had this job.

CLAY: He’s highest paid federal employee.

BUCK: Which is quite a feat, by the way. There are a lot of cunning bureaucrats looking to pad those OT stats. As somebody who used to work for the federal government, I saw a lot of this stuff, and Fauci is the highest paid — there are millions of federal government employees. Fauci’s the highest paid of all of them because he is such a chameleon and a bureaucrat who does exactly what he needs to do the moment.

But, Clay, I don’t know if he makes it to — in his role — if he makes it to end up of the Biden first term because if Republicans take back the House and the Senate and they do not have — I want Fauci under oath with people running the clock, you know, people actually setting the agenda in Congress who are saying, hold on a second. Why do you keep saying that masks work? Explain this data.

Explain Orange County versus Los Angeles County. Explain the Florida school system which they just pretend they didn’t actually keep good data. They did. Some schools it masks, some schools didn’t. Explain the entire Florida school system which shows that masking in school was not only unnecessary, it was actually harmful to children. Fauci won’t stick around for that. Without the media to totally carry all the water for ’em, I think he’s he’s gonna resign early next year.

CLAY: If I were advising him, I would tell him to resign immediately right now, because I’ll guarantee you what it’s gonna look like. When Republicans take back control of the House at minimum and maybe the Senate, but certainly the House, there are going to be investigations that rain down on Dr. Fauci’s head finally. And he is going to have to answer a lot of real questions under oath.

And I believe what’s going to happen is, after he gets absolutely wrecked by questioning, he’s going to be forced out by the Biden White House because they’re not going to want to continue to try to hold Fauci up as they continue to sink further and further under the water. And so it’s going to look way worse now than if he just decided to slink away before the midterms.

And if he decided to slink away before the midterms, he could argue that his departure was not political in nature pap what he’s trying to do now is say, oh, I’m gonna leave before the end of the Biden administration in January of ’25 so he can try to argue, well, my decision on timing is not going to be impacted by politics because, as you well know, Buck, what Fauci always tries to say is, “I’m not a political person. I don’t know why I’d even be getting attacked at all.”

Well, yes. You are the most destructive bureaucrat in American history. You are, I think, probably should have faced criminal charges for some of the work that you did and helped facilitate which created — and I don’t know if we’re ever gonna get the full on accepted version of this as reality. But I believe American taxpayer dollars helped to facilitate the creation of the covid virus, which then was released out of a Chinese lab. That’s how I believe, based on all the evidence that I have seen, covid got out.

I think you agree with that as well, Buck. I think a huge percentage of our audience does. But there are lots of people fighting every day to try to keep that truth from coming out. And one of them, in my opinion, has been Fauci, based on the emails that he sent back in February of 2020, I think this guy has been engaged in a cover-up of how covid got out and how much American taxpayer dollars were involved in the creation of covid through gain-of-function research. I believe all of that the data is quite clear points to him. And I think he’s gonna skate on it, which is unfortunate, but I believe if we had a real media and we had a real government investigation that took place, Fauci would get caught up in this and potentially could face criminal charges.

BUCK: I also think that Fauci should be thought of as the biomedical equivalent of a war criminal, meaning that there should be real hearings into the damage that was done by his willingness to lie about what was so apparent in his role, the fact that he’s so evasive and so slimy and so he’s (impresion) , “Oh, we just looking at the science and the data and I am a scientist,” and he’s got this routine down where no one’s ever able to corner him on the fact that these were decisions pushed by him and Dr. Birx, by the way, who has a book out now. Some are saying she is actually worse.

I believe we had on Dr. Scott Atlas who was part of that task force who says Dr. Birx was worse than Fauci, which I — she just got out sooner because she realized that this is — it’s gonna get harder and harder to justify the madness that they inflicted on so many people. She seems to make the case that the “15 days to slow the spread” was always just a starting point, that was always a Trojan horse, which is appalling.

CLAY: Think back in time, Buck, I think this is such an interesting discussion, the 15 days, ’cause, you’re right, her book she basically is arguing, oh, we managed to get Trump to do that. What if we had never shut down at all? And I know, I understand the argument of, hey, we didn’t a hundred percent know what we were facing, but what if Rand Paul, let’s just say what if Rand Paul had been president at the time when covid happened? We had a highly trained medical physician in office, or we had had somebody other than Birx and Fauci, but let’s pretend, what if we had never shut down?

What if we had never “15 days to stop the spread,” we had just had somebody in the Oval Office who had said, hey, this guy is going to be here for a long time. We can’t stop it. The evidence is pretty clear. We’ve never been able to stop the spread of any virus, we are going to condition with our work. People who are in danger in older, elderly, you need to protect — if we basically just done what the Great Barrington Declaration suggested.

BUCK: We would obviously argue that based on the data, we would be in the exact same health position in effect, the same number of people would have gotten infected, the same number of actual fatalities on the virus would have occurred, but we wouldn’t have spent $6 trillion, we wouldn’t have roughly —

CLAY: Quit their jobs, right, and we wouldn’t have had that whole fallout — nonessential businesses.

BUCK: We essentially — we got to herd immunity. We just did it with the most economic and political and freedom destruction possible along the way with no attendant benefit, which is something — I actually tweeted that in June of the with which the that we’re gonna get to herd immunity, we’re just gonna do all these stupid, dumbass things that Fauci wants us to do all along that don’t actually make it.

And look, all over the world, who did it right? Show me the place where they — oh, people say, oh, look at Australia. Australia is an island that shut off all travel and even Australia eventually had it ripped through. And I am pooh say why did we have so many more fatalities? One, the fatality data is totally wrapped up in people that got with covid versus from covid so we have to —

CLAY: And the economic incentives that came with labeling covid deaths.

BUCK: Yeah. And also the biggest risk factor after age is obesity, and developed countries with really high levels of obesity did really poor — we have 10 times the obesity rate of jab and South Korea, literally 10X. So the fact that we had far worse covid outcomes is actually tied to the health of the population.

CLAY: And Australia doesn’t have herd immunity and they’re actually going through covid hell right now because they’ve opened back up, and a lot of these countries that have opened back up, the only place that’s really still, in terms of a major economy that’s even attempting the covid zero policies right now is China.

And it still remains to be seen, China’s growth rate — I’m sure you saw it over the weekend, Buck — is down to nearly negligible rates, which is crazy considering what the Chinese government has put out in the past.

BUCK: There’s so many things, Clay, we can — I was — this is also the original formation of Clay and Buck as a force for good, freedom, and the American way was over covid sanity, right?

CLAY: Yeah.

BUCK: This is how we actually first met and sort of talking about this. And so there’s so many things we can refer back to. But the fact that when there were drones in the sky in China saying “give up your heart’s desire for freedom,” stay inside even if you are starving, effectively, because the Chinese Communist Party says so and Fauci wasn’t coming out saying, this is appalling totalitarianism and it can never happen, what else do people need to know? What else do they have to see from this guy?

CLAY: No. And again, I think the Australian story of what is happening to them right now with covid has slid completely under the radar. New Zealand as well. They don’t really have herd immunity ’cause they were, to your point, island nations that shut down and just restricted all travel.

But what you’re seeing is, you can’t stop a virus forever. Eventually almost everyone has to get it.

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