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Unelected Governor Hochul Knows Nothing About the 2nd Amendment

23 Jun 2022

BUCK: Welcome back to Clay and Buck.

BUCK: This is Buck in solo today. Clay’s out on vacation, and that was the governor of New York, Hochul, whom no one actually voted for or elected or anything like it. She just got appointed when Cuomo was grabbing too many of his subordinates and so he’s out. Not because he forced grandma with covid back into the nursing home and had the most catastrophic results of any nursing home communities in the country. That’s not why the libs got rid of him.

But Hochul, listening to her constitutional analysis or her sense of firearms law, honestly, she should probably just not speak about this at all. I would rather hear Joy Behar make completely inane… At least her statements will be amusingly stupid. Hochul just says really dumb things, has no idea what she’s talking about. The notion that these are “reasonable restrictions”? It’s not reasonable. It’s not reasonable to say, “You’re a law-abiding citizen, you have a Second Amendment right, but I’m not convinced.” If I’m the sheriff for your county, “I’m not convinced you need a gun; so you don’t get one.

“Oh, but somebody else, I think they need one; so they get one.” This is the definition of capricious. This is the definition of the rule of men over the rule of law or instead of the rule of law, and we all know it. Look, all you have to see is at the very top of the — and just for anyone joining us, a huge decision that came down today, 6-3, where the rules around giving someone a carry permit for a firearm in states that require a need to be proven, that is unconstitutional.

Huge implications for New York, California, and a handful of other states. In the dissent by Breyer, Sotomayor, and Kagan, they start… This is the first line of the dissent: “In 2020, 45,222 Americans were killed by firearms.” What does that have to do with the constitutionality of law-abiding citizens carrying a firearm? Just think about this. Really, their dissent comes down to, “Guns are gross and scary and bad people like to lawfully have them!”

Notice the fascinating separation here. Democrats can always find ways to sympathize with criminals who use guns to hurt people, “Oh, we don’t want to send them to prison for so long!” Just look at the statistics. I’m not making this up. The data proves my point. Look at what they’re doing in New York, look at what they’re doing in Philadelphia, look at what they’re doing in L.A. and San Francisco. Prohibited possessor — previous felons in possession of firearms — dismissed, case dismissed. Go look up the case of Mark Witaschek in Washington, D.C. I remember I interviewed him a long time ago. The guy was a sport hunter — it wasn’t even about self-defense — he had a defunct shotgun shell on him, and the District of Columbia wanted to send him to prison for it. That’s who they want to make an example of.

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HUGE: SCOTUS Strikes Down Unconstitutional NY Gun Law

23 Jun 2022

BUCK: Let’s dive into this ’cause this is something that honestly folks near and dear to my heart. Let me tell you why. I’m a born-and-raised New Yorker. I was born in New York City, grew up there, and other than my time in the CIA and my time in college, I have been a New York resident for basically my entire life. And one of the great frustrations of living in not just New York City but New York State, is that it is, along with a handful of other states: Maryland, Massachusetts, California, New Jersey — there are six that are cited in the Supreme Court decision, but…

Hawaii, along with a handful of other states, effectively Second Amendment no-go zones, as much as they can be. You can own a shotgun, although you have to get a permit usually, depends on the state. But, overall, is they have in place a regime that’s meant to prevent you from actually enjoying your right to bear arms. Key phrase here, as we all know, folks, “to keep and bear arms.” That first part, keeping up of the arms, was dealt with pretty well in D.C. v. Heller. Remember that case from some years ago?

You had an individual licensed to have a gun for work but who lived in the District of Columbia and couldn’t even bring his firearm that he had at work all day home with him. So that’s crazy, right? But that was the law, and they would arrest you. D.C. was vicious about enforcing even the most minor infractions of firearms law. Unless you’re, you know, a gang member with a long history of drugs; then they’re always looking. And this is the thing you have to remind yourself about the libs.

If you’re somebody who has guns and is actually a danger to society, they don’t want to make an example of you. They want to go soft on you. This is what we’ve seen with the progressive prosecutors and criminal justice reform, as they call it. But if you’re guy who likes to go hunting on the weekends but you cross from Virginia into D.C. with two shotgun shells in your pocket that are 20-gauge meant for pheasants, guess what? Too bad. You’re on your own. They’re gonna lock you up. That’s their attitude, right?

Well, in this case the New York State Rifle and Pistol Association v. Bruen — Bruen is the superintendent of the New York State police — what we have here is the “bear arms” part of it finally coming into Supreme Court focus. And by 6-3 the proper cause requirement for getting a handgun permit, a firearm permit to have and carry a concealed pistol or revolver, the proper cause requirement is gone now. It is unconstitutional.

Now, what this means, in effect — remember D.C. v. Heller said, “You gotta be able to — if you’re a law-abiding citizen and you meet some very basic thresholds, you gotta be able to — buy a gun. You can’t just say, ‘You’re not allowed to have a gun, period,’ because the Second Amendment.” Well, now it’s can you get a concealed carry permit? Can you actually carry your weapon with you? And I know there’s gonna be the whole distinction between concealed carry and open carry and all this.

But just to be able to carry in any capacity in these states was not allowed unless you were special, unless you could prove, demonstrate a special need that is different from just people in general. And 6-3 decision here. Roberts did join the majority; so he may be a wimp, but he’s not a lunatic. 6-3 decision, took a sledgehammer to the anti-gun regime of so many of these states, or I should say the anti-bearing arms regime, right? ‘Cause you’re loud to own in New York, you’re allowed to own a firearm in California, but can you carry it anywhere?

Can you get a concealed carry permit? Now, in the state of New York, as I said, this is near and dear to me because I have not been able to. As an adult, I have not been able to enjoy Second Amendment rights in my home state, and it’s obscene. And one of my favorite parts of this decision, one of my favorite parts of the way they dismantle… I mean the libs, Breyer, Sotomayor, Kagan, just pathetic stuff in their dissent. Honestly. “Oh, but there’s so much gun violence!” Wait, but there’s so much gun violence, you guys are banning guns in these states in every way you can but there’s still so much violence.

Almost like the only people who are gonna have guns in a no gun regime state like New York or California are the bad guys. Oh, that is what happens. That is what happens. New York bans and has for over a hundred years. I’ve known about the Sullivan law passed in 1911… By the way, I rarely would say this you to. If you are a Second Amendment enthusiast, though, reading this whole decision just because of the history that it goes into is fascinating, the history of weapons and concealed carry and the Old West and even goes back in the medieval period, goes back to English common law, seventeenth century, eighteenth century.

It’s fascinating history, of course, written by the constitutionalists, the conservatives on the court in their 6-3 slap down of this unconstitutional absurdity of you’re not allowed — a law-abiding American in these states was not allowed — to get a pistol to carry concealed for protection unless they were special, which basically meant unless you’re connected, unless you know how to work the system. And that’s why honestly you know who is the getting concealed carry permits in New York City specifically? Celebrities.

Famous, important people, powerful people, and they usually often had armed security on top of all that, too, but, you know, they wanted to feel like they could defend themselves. Well, that’s not the way this is supposed to be. But the history that it goes through in this case is fascinating, just from a perspective if you want to know the history of self-defense law as it pertains to the carrying of arms, really interesting stuff. And then beyond that, they make the case very clearly that in a place like New York, ’cause there’s so much that goes into this.

There’s a two-step test they discuss. I mean, the legality of it is fascinating. But, really, though, it came down to for so many decades now and even in a post-Heller world this is what the courts — numerous appeals courts had upheld this standard which was essentially, yeah, but if Democrat states think it’s really important to not let you carry guns, that’s — that overrides your Second Amendment right to carry, because we say so is effectively…

Because we’re neurotic libs and the notion of people who are law-abiding citizens being able to defend themselves, having a chance to defend themselves is something that upset people who live in, you know, the fanciest parts of the Boston and the Upper West Side of Manhattan and Santa Monica and Beverly Hills out in Los Angeles. It upsets people who live in safe neighborhoods. “Oh, my gosh! You mean my neighbor who’s totally law-abiding and trustworthy in every aspect of his life or her life might be able to carry a concealed weapon? That’s terrifying!

“I want only the gang members, the murderers, the assaulters, et cetera, to be able to carry, apparently.” That’s what the libs have been suggesting this whole time. Because as it states in this — and you should read it. This is a total smackdown. This is home run from the perspective of the Second Amendment, this decision, I’m saying. This was really as good as you could have hoped this case would be. And, by the way, we may be getting Roe overturned tomorrow. So, this is one of the biggest weeks, possibly, the Supreme Court has had in at least a decade.

I mean, this is massive. If this continues… Assuming Roe comes down tomorrow with the… It’s not actually Roe, but it could overturn Roe. So, here we are now looking at a major win for the Second Amendment. And as I was telling you, we can go into more of the tests and everything else, but the most important takeaway is that Democrats want to be in a position to tell you that you cannot, through their state legislatures or the mayor’s office or the police commissioner or whomever, you’re not allowed to defend yourself with a concealed pistol.

And, of course, there are 43 states, I believe, that already have some form of “you may get,” right? Most states have already understood this, but there are six — and they happen to be some of the biggest. They are the biggest population state, California, and a couple of other mega population states, New York, New Jersey, have been terrible on this issue for a long time. So, now we’re through that; you will be able to… They’re gonna have to pass laws in the state legislature.

I’m sure they’re gonna make it annoying, they’re gonna make it expensive. But isn’t it fascinating that at the same time that some Republican Senators are bending the knee on red flag laws and, mental health funding that they think is going to stop shootings or whatever they believe will be accomplished with this, some expansion of background check to go into juvenile records, the same week that Republicans bent the knee, the Supreme Court actually dealt a devastating blow to the gun grabbers. And it’s about more than…

And I’ll come back and talk to you about this in a second. There’s more at stake here than just your neurotic lib neighbor, or libs like Pelosi and Schumer who have been defended by men — paid by the state — with guns their entire adult lives. It’s not just that it makes them uncomfortable that you — you, just a person, an American, not an important person, just a person — might be able to defend yourself. There’s also some fascinating lessons from that history that is laid out in this New York State Rifle and Pistol Association v. Bruen ruling.

And I want to get to that because it actually goes to the heart of the Second Amendment, and it goes to, I think, some of the very important lessons we have learned when it comes to the state and its overreach and tyranny in recent years. So, we’ll dive into something like that when we come back. I mean, I have so much more to talk to you about, including a case of how wrong the criminal justice reform mind-set can go in New York City and other places.

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    BUCK: Some kids apparently broke into an $8 million mansion in the Florida Panhandle, and they had a little too much fun from what I understand — a little destruction, a little bit of some other bad things going on. Now, the problem with putting your illicit party actions on social media is that some people find this out the hard way and are surprised, Clay.

    The cops can use social media too, turns out. Cops can look at Facebook. That is allowed. In fact, we do — or rather when I worked the intelligence division, we used to — look at Facebook stuff all the time. People would put stuff up there and you’d be amazed how many people steal a car and take a photo of it if it’s a fancy car and put it up on their Facebook. That is not a good move for the criminal.

    CLAY: Yeah, especially a lot of kids who don’t know any better and spend a lot of time living on TikTok or Instagram — and, yeah, that’s Clay Travis territory. That’s my favorite place in the country. That’s where I’m doing the show all next week and through July 4th from down on the Florida Panhandle, 30A, in particular. I saw that story, and I thought to myself.

    I told my 11-year-old, who’s sitting in studio here with me. I said, “Listen, Bud, there are not gonna be any parties down in Florida as you move closer to the teenage years.” I watched some of the videos of that party. It was… By the way, they snuck into the house. It’s not even like some kid threw a party and his parents didn’t know the party was going on.

    BUCK: Right. They were all trespassing.

    CLAY: Yes, and then they posted all the videos of the party where they’re all clearly visible all over social media somehow thinking that it was not going to be widely distributed and circulated by the great people in the Walton County Police Department — which, for those of you there who are familiar with that area of the Gulf Coast, they do a pretty good job of making sure people try to stay out of trouble. We have spring break protocols that are put in place in all the communities down there to try to avoid the kids taking over the homes.

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    Sen. Hawley Blasts Gun Control Bill, Biden Gas Tax Trick

    22 Jun 2022

    SEN. MURPHY: For 30 years, Mr. President, murder after murder, suicide after suicide, mass shooting after mass shooting, Congress did nothing. This week we have a chance to break this 30-year period of silence with a bill that changes our laws in a way that will save thousands of lives. It is a compromise. It is a bipartisan compromise.

    It is a path forward to the way that both Democrats and Democrats can work together to address some of the most vexing, most difficult challenges this nation faces. We have a chance to show parents and kids and families that we take their safety seriously and that we are prepared to do not just something, but something that saves lives in order to protect them.

    BUCK: That was Senate Democrat Chris Murphy on the Senate advancing this bipartisan gun restriction legislation. What does it do, actually, and why are they claiming that it will save lives? In what way would this save lives and in what ways would this perhaps create due process and even constitutional concerns? We’re joined by Senator Josh Hawley of Missouri who has a lot of thoughts on this and more. Senator, always good to have you.

    SEN. HAWLEY: Hey, thanks for having me. Great to be with you.

    BUCK: What do you think of this legislation? We were trying to talk about this on the show in the last couple of weeks and it was always, “Well, it’s a framework, there’s no text,” and now, did anyone even see this text before they voted on it?

    SEN. HAWLEY: (chuckling)

    BUCK: It feels like they did this one behind closed doors no one gets to know what’s going on?

    SEN. HAWLEY: Yeah, that’s about right. That’s about right. It’s weeks of closed-door negotiations where nobody knows exactly what’s going on, and then yesterday, in typical D.C. fashion, they dropped the bill — 80-some pages — into our laps and say, “Okay, now vote on it,” which it’s just incredible, especially for legislation as fundamental as this that touches and affects every law-abiding citizen’s Second Amendment rights. So, I voted “no” on this and I’m opposed to it.

    What the bill does — to answer your question a second ago — is it pays states to set up programs to take away Second Amendment rights from law-abiding citizens. By the way, that includes 19 states that already have these red flag laws where you don’t get due process before your guns are taken away, where you can be accused and have them taken away before there’s any crime that you’re accused of, let alone convicted of.

    All of those states are gonna get money under this bill. They’re gonna get paid, and all the other states are gonna get paid and encouraged to set up laws like this. So this is not a bill that I can support, not by a mile. And, to me, it doesn’t do anything to address the real problem here, which is crime and criminals who commit acts of violence with firearms. They’re the ones who ought to be punished here, not law-abiding citizens.

    CLAY: Yeah, Senator Hawley, I’m glad you mentioned that because Buck and I have talked about on the show that, even if we were able to eliminate every mass shooting in this country — which certainly we would be in favor of — 99% of violence would still be occurring. Why do you think the conversation never goes to, “Hey, let’s put way more cops back out on the streets and let’s put violent criminals behind bars for longer periods of time”? Two things we did in the nineties that were proven to drastically improve overall quality of life and reduce violence in this country, and yet it’s almost as if that can’t be discussed in any measure.

    SEN. HAWLEY: Yeah. And the reason for that, Clay, is the Democrats are pro-criminal. I mean, that’s why. These are the people that think we have too many people in jail and that we have sentences that are too lengthy and that we ought to just let folks out. And they’re doing that, by the way, all over the country. This is why we have a crime wave. It’s ’cause all over the country, soft-on-crime mayors and governors and liberal DAs are out there not enforcing laws. We’re talking about violent crime, by the way. We’re not talking about petty offenses.

    Violent crime. They’re not enforcing laws and the Democrats don’t want to. So you’re exactly right. What we ought to be doing is putting more cops on the street, giving every cop in America a pay raise, and we ought to be increasing the sentences for violent offenders, including people who try to bring a firearm to a crime and use it.

    But that is exactly what they do not want to do, the Democrats, because they don’t want to actually get tough on crime and criminals. It’s just… It’s exactly backwards, and that’s another reason why I’m not gonna support this legislation. It doesn’t crack down on criminals. It just goes after law-abiding citizens and I’m against that.

    BUCK: Speaking to Senator Josh Hawley of Missouri. Senator, we never have enough time to go through all of the crises that the Biden administration is not only facing but we argue day in and day out here on the show has made worse, in some cases has really created all through their own doing. The gas situation. Right as Clay and I were on air about 30 minutes ago Biden spoke on this and called on Congress to suspend the federal gas tax. Play clip 32.

    BIDEN: Today, I’m calling on Congress to suspend the federal gas tax for the next 90 days, through the busy summer season, busy traveling season. Here’s what that means. Every time you go to the gas station to fill your tank, the federal government charges an 18¢ tax per gallon of gas that you purchase, and a 24¢ tax per gallon of diesel you purchase. It’s a tax that’s been around for 90 years. It’s important because we use it for the highway trust fund to keep or highways going. But what I’m proposing is suspending the federal gas tax without affecting the highway trust fund.

    BUCK: So, Senator, from my math here — and back-of-the-napkin math on radio is always dangerous — even if this happens, people who are paying $6 a gallon, might be paying, what, about $5.42, give or take?

    SEN. HAWLEY: Yeah, for like a few weeks, and then it will go right back up. This is one of the dumbest things I’ve ever heard. I mean, what Joe Biden can do if he wants to have any effect on gas prices is to suspend and reverse his idiotic Green New Deal policies that are causing this crisis. Let’s not forget this is the guy who when he came into office, first thing he did was suspend oil and gas leases, get rid of our pipelines — cancel them — shut down American energy production. I mean, and he boasted about it at the time.

    He bragged about it, how he was gonna be the climate change president. Well, now we are getting the Green New Deal and we’re getting it good and hard, and nobody can afford to fill up a tank or buy grocery stores or buy critical goods and services because all of it is affected by the price of energy — and, by the way, isn’t anybody else tired of seeing the president of the United States up there blaming everybody and anybody but himself? He won’t take responsibility for anything. It’s almost like he isn’t president — which, if that’s what he wants, we’d be happy to accommodate him.

    CLAY: No doubt.

    SEN. HAWLEY: So I think it’s just absurd.

    CLAY: Senator, how much success are Republicans gonna be able to put forward in terms of just stopping Joe Biden from being able to pass anything else? And the reason why I ask is, it’s clear Build Back Better would have made inflation so much worse than it already was. And he has created 8.6% inflation with many of the policy choices he’s made now. Do you think we’re gonna be able to effectively run out the clock and keep any more disastrous legislation from passing before the midterms, or do you think Democrats — seeing the shellacking that’s coming — are just gonna throw up their hands and say, “We better get stuff passed now while we still have a majority”? How would you assess the landscape right now in the Senate and in the House in terms of Biden’s ability to get more bad bills passed before we get into officially this campaign season?

    SEN. HAWLEY: Well, I would just say that if Republicans will hang together in the Senate — it takes 60 to get anything done in the Senate — and all Republicans have to do is just stand together and say, “No, we’re not gonna go along.” This is one of the reasons that this gun legislation disappoints me, is we should be clear about this. This has to pass with Republican votes. It cannot get through without at least 10 Republican votes.

    And I just think it’s a big, big mistake. So I hope the Republicans will want to stand strong between now and November, and Senate Republicans in particular and will I say “no” to the Biden agenda. I think it’s critical, and I think we gotta give voters a reason to vote Republican! I mean, Republicans have gotta stand strong and show they’ve got backbone. Why else would people vote for us?

    BUCK: Very good question. Senator Josh Hawley of Missouri. Senator, appreciate you, sir. Thanks so much.

    SEN. HAWLEY: Hey, thanks for having me.

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    BUCK: We were just talking to our friend Ian Miller about mask mandate failure. Just so you know, in case you’re wondering, “The Fauch” is still out there. He still believes strongly in the continued use of a cloth, perhaps two cloths, maybe — to take the virus seriously — three cloths, one of which being an N95 mask. He’s not done, folks. He still believes this lunacy. Here he is just a couple of days ago saying, you want to mask indoors?

    BUCK: So can I just…? I just want to jump in here to be clear. He’s saying it’s not over, so you still have to mask up indoors, and it will never be over. Fauci is straight-up calling for forever masking now, in case anyone wanted to know whether this little tyrant lunatic is as bad as we’ve been saying for over a year.

    CLAY: And if you think that that is not something supported by anyone else, did you see, Buck, that Germany is talking about mandating masks now starting in November through March — every year, everywhere.

    BUCK: It’s what we thought — it’s what we said — was gonna happen, mandatory vaccines every year and a mandatory mask season for lunatic libs every year.

    CLAY: And if you’re out there, single-issue voter, repudiate Fauci and the vaccine mask mandates, you have to vote red. If you don’t want your kids wearing masks in school ever again, you have to vote red. If you don’t want your kids being mandated to take covid shots that they one billion percent don’t need, you have to vote red. This is why we need not just a Red Wave, but a Red Tsunami to send the message and let’s put a Congress and a Senate in there to combat Biden.

    Because, unfortunately, he’s gonna be there until 2024, probably until January of 2025 when we can finally get rid of him once and for all and get rid of Fauci once and for all, because I think, Buck, if we have that Red Wave… I know Fauci said he’s gonna retire in 2024. I think he may retire in January of 2023 if Republicans take the House and Senate and aggressively subpoena him like they should going forward. I really do think that’s the play that we’re all gonna need to be part of.

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    BUCK: Are you ready to get your shot every year? And I mean every year. And by “shot” I mean the covid vaccine that they’re gonna keep updating. I know a lot of you are shouting “No!” But the CEO of Pfizer, he’s got a different plan in mind. We’ll talk about this in a second. We’ve been calling this out for now over a year. This was gonna be the plan. More on this one. And, yes, we were right once again. We’re joined on this issue of where we stand in the fight against covid tyranny by our friend Ian Miller of OutKick.com. That’s right. He went to work with Clay at OutKick. Smart man. He also is the author of Unmasked. Ian, is Clay being nice?

    MILLER: (laughing) Absolutely. He’s been great so far. Been thrilled. It’s really exciting.

    BUCK: Fantastic. Expect nothing less. So, tell me, my friend, this has… Let’s play the CEO of Pfizer, Bourla, telling everybody yeah, shots every year. Let’s play that, that audio.

    BUCK: Ian, you’ve been on this all along doing great research. They’re straight up telling us — and now the head of Pfizer says — yeah, your mRNA shots forever. That’s the plan.

    MILLER: Right. And it’s kind of absurd that he says it that way, because they haven’t updated it so far, even though we’ve had multiple different variants. And, as we’ve seen, sometimes there will be three or four different variants that emerge in a year, and so is he saying he’s gonna update three or four times a year?

    You’re supposed to get three or four shots a year, or is he gonna update for the first strain that emerges, which will then be too late, because we’ll have two other ones by the end of the year? You know, on top of the fact that the effectiveness of the vaccines has clearly been waning, not just in terms of infections but in terms of hospitalizations as well. So, it’s just kind of absurd and it honestly feels like they’re just trying to sell more product going forward.

    CLAY: Yeah, that’s the part, Ian, that really jumps out to me. If you had a federal mandate that someone had to buy a for-profit product — and that they had to do it every year as far into the future as you could see — wouldn’t that raise a lot of red flags for many people and/or shouldn’t it, in addition to the fact that it’s not working very well?

    An annual subscription vaccine — and “vaccine” is in quotation marks — is probably the best recurring profit margin that Pfizer could ever hope for, given how large the addressable market is and how many places are requiring that that market continue to buy that product? Take it outside of just covid shots; it feels incredibly dirty to me that we’re even in this situation.

    MILLER: Absolutely. It’s hard to imagine a better business model than saying, “We have to update our product every year and the federal government’s gonna mandate that you take it for many contractors or employers, government employees.” On top of that, you see things like colleges that are mandating booster shots for healthy 18 and 19-year-old college students and I recently read about a story.

    A Stanford student was gonna be banned from receiving his diploma, banned from graduating because he refused to comply with their booster mandate, even though he’d already had covid. That’s another aspect of this that is completely forgotten often is that CDC has estimated 75% of kids have already had covid, and yet a lot of schools are gonna be mandating the full series of vaccinations, then a booster, and now presumably boosters indefinitely for kids that have already been exposed to covid and have some natural immunity and protection.

    BUCK: We’re speaking to Ian Miller of OutKick.com. Also got a great book, Unmasked, and he was the going for any of you on Twitter who was sharing out the graphs of mask mandates all along and where they went into effect and how they didn’t work, over and over again. In fact, they didn’t work anywhere, and yet we still have people — I saw people today, Clay, even down here wear masks. People are still voluntarily, not under mandate, but the Democrat Fauci apparatus still believes in this stuff.

    Ian, I want to ask you also what your sense is about this. From the very beginning of the covid pandemic we were told — and it’s become I think seared into our brains — that this was a once-in-a-century pandemic, they spent trillions of dollars. All of that money, as we see now, was poorly spent, didn’t actually help anything, and has created massive inflation. But Biden’s out there telling everybody, “Well, it’s time is to set up more spending for the next pandemic,” as if it’s right around the corner.

    Here’s what the Biden White House is saying about this. Play that cut, please.

    VOICE: How many of the nation’s kids will you be able to get vaccinated from you need more money from Congress?

    BIDEN: Well, we’ll get through at least this year. We — we do need more money. We don’t just need more money for vaccines for children eventually. We need more money to plan for the second pandemic. There’s gonna be another pandemic! We have to think ahead.

    BUCK: So, first of all, you need more money for shots for kids that kids don’t actually need based on the data and Biden seems very certain that the next once-in-a-century pandemic is right around the corner.

    MILLER: (laughing) Yeah. It’s very concerning to hear them say that. And of course that money will be distributed to the same public health bureaucrats and supposed experts that have completely failed during this once-in-a-century pandemic. All the measures they did, the interventions have completely failed. That’s what the book is about. It’s what a lot of my writing’s been about, showing that all the things we did that we’re now experiencing has had huge, tremendous unintended consequences and side effects, they all failed.

    So in response to that, which most people now universally kind of agree that it was a failure. In response, we need to give them more money to prepare for whatever next once-in-a-century pandemic is coming — and that’s a major concern that all these measures that seem don’t work are gonna continue to be brought back in the future now because the public health experts and bureaucrats have decided they work based off of no data whatsoever.

    CLAY: Ian, you just mentioned that 75% of kids, based on data from the spring, have already been exposed to covid. Yesterday kids ages 6 months to 5 years old became eligible for covid shots. And again, some of them are gonna have to get three shots. This is, as you heard from the Pfizer CEO, potentially going to be going forward for years to come. You wrote about the data at OutKick and did a great job there. What would you tell parents out there listening to us right now the data shows about the efficacy levels for six months to 5-year-olds’ covid shots given the fact that 75% of these kids essentially have already had covid at least?

    MILLER: Right. Well, I think the data has shown pretty conclusively that natural immunity provides better protection against infections and severe outcomes than the vaccines do for all age-groups. But especially for children, there’s really been no benefit and the trials didn’t even present a benefit. Their own estimates of vaccine efficacy for these age-groups — for, I think it was 6 months to 2 years — was something like 14% against infection and then 30% against severe infection for the slightly older age-groups.

    That would have failed the initial standard that the FDA set. They initially wanted 50% of case to emergency authorize the vaccine. This would have failed for kids. But they approved it anyway, because they changed how they measured many it by using something called immunobridging. It’s really ludicrous. And they try to justify it by presenting covid as a leading cause of death for these younger age-groups except the way that they measured the fleeting cause of death ranking was completely misleading.

    Which is what I wrote about for OutKick, that they kind of conflated two different ways of counting to make it appear that covid is deadlier for young kids than it actually is. So it’s concerning. It’s another concerning incident of the CDC kind of manipulating data to try to get the outcome that they want. And for parents I would be very hesitant. We don’t have a lot of great, long-term safety data for this age group, and there really was no significant benefit shown by the FDA.

    BUCK: Speaking to Ian Miller of OutKick.com. Has a great book on the failure of mask mandates called Unmasked. Ian, I just want to know, based on… You’ve been following the covid issue very closely for a long time now, and it seems to me that when they’re talking about vaccines for kids, covid vaccines for kids and also Omicron-specific vaccines, that we have to assume that it’s gonna be a new, then, multiple dose, right?

    Or if not, why not? Because it seems to me that the vaccine that is currently approved for children is a three-dose vaccine as I understand it because the first two showed no real efficacy whatsoever. So they said, “Let’s just give another shot!” Well, if they’re gonna do an Omicron specific shot, wouldn’t that then also likely be three mRNA doses — and, oh, by the way, won’t we probably be facing a non-Omicron new variant this fall again. If not, why not?

    MILLER: Yeah, exactly. That’s a great point. This series of three doses, but it’s based off the same vaccine that they’re giving to adults, which I think is different dosages. But it’s three shots and, exactly as you say, if they need to update it for Omicron, is that gonna be another three-dose series, and then for the next variant another three-dose series after that? And, again, by the time they even get the Omicron variant up, there will likely be another new, dominant variant that has popped up.

    As we’ve seen, it moves very quickly with strains of the coronavirus. So, again, it’s like we’re trying to do something that doesn’t really have a demonstrable benefit for this age-group, who’s at an incredibly low risk for serious illness from covid anyway. I mean, covid was something like 25-time less likely to cause death among young children than accidents. But and down the road we’re gonna keep adding more and more shots to this series when we don’t really have any long-term data on it yet and we haven’t demonstrated clear benefit. It’s really… To me, it’s inexcusable.

    BUCK: Clay, it really is the sixth or the ninth or the 12th shot, though.

    CLAY: That will solve it forever?

    BUCK: Yeah.

    CLAY: Ian, you wrote a great book about masks and how poorly they worked. By the way, I’d encourage all of you, go follow @ianmSC on Twitter. He does a fantastic job giving you data and analytics surrounding this. Broadway plays — Buck basically lives on Broadway — starting July 1st, no masks.

    BUCK: I do. I live above a Broadway theater, essentially, yes.

    CLAY: July 1st they are going to end the mask mandate on Broadway plays. Why in the world are they randomly deciding to do this, and has there been any justification whatsoever for wearing masks inside of Broadway plays based on the data that you have seen across the country?

    MILLER: Well, of course was not. It’s funny because we’ve had NBA events that are essentially the same thing — 20,000 people in an enclosed arena — going on for months with no negative impacts with no mask requirement. We just saw the NBA Finals with nobody wearing a mask in either of the venues. It’s kind of ludicrous that they’ve conditioned it this thing this is what they do they’ve taken arbitrary date.

    “Oh, it will be safe July 1st.” Why not June 28th? Nobody has an explanation. What’s also concerning is they said they’re gonna reevaluate that decision every month. So, you could buy a ticket for a Broadway show expecting to have it be mask free and then the next month they could decide, “Actually we need to bring it back now,” based off of nothing, and then you could have spent $300 on a ticket and be forced to wear a mask. So it is another episode of this kind of ludicrous, arbitrary thinking that the mask fanatics do. And it’s kind of crazy — no matter how much data accumulates — that there are still some segments of the population just can’t give it up.

    CLAY: He’s Ian Miller. We’re excited to have him writing at OutKick. You can go check him out at OutKick.com. You can follow him on Twitter @ianmSC. Appreciate the time, my man. Keep up the good work.

    MILLER: Thank you very much.

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    BUCK: I happen to be down in Florida and who do I stumble upon but former “President Trump” himself, and he has a lot of thoughts for us, including on our one-year anniversary, on current occupant of the White House Joe Biden, and much more. Mr. President, good to have you with us.

    CAPT. DEPLORABLE: Well, I want to say, congratulations to you, Buck, and also to Clay, on your one-year anniversary of fantastic radio. You know, you’re really doing a tremendous job. And we’re down here in a beautiful convention and — on Key Largo. You know, they call it Key Largo. It’s, quite frankly, the largest key and the greatest key in the history of the Florida Keys, when you look at it. Everyone’s driving golf carts around, and you know how much I love to golf. And one thing you don’t see?

    You know, you don’t see a lot of people on bikes out here. Maybe that’s because Sleepy Joe just fell, but I can tell you this: I will never ride a bicycle. I’ve been saying that. I’m not going to ride a bike because I don’t want something like that to happen. But I can probably ride it better than Lance Armstrong, when you think about it. But I love golf carts. I love golf.

    And this is a beautiful place. And you are doing a fantastic job, you and your partner, Clay, you’re doing a fantastic job standing up for everything, including what Clay likes to say, the First Amendment and other things, you know, when you look at it, he said it on fake news CNN. But you’re doing a wonderful job with your program, and congratulations on one year — you know, one, big beautiful year.


    BUCK: So, the price of gas, as you know, Mr. President, is really high right now, and a lot of people are playing a clip from a couple of years ago where you said, “If Joe Biden becomes president, gas will be $6, $7, $8 a gallon.” It’s already hit $7 a gallon in some parts of California, and some of the higher gas price states. So, how did you see this coming and how do we get out of this mess?

    CAPT. DEPLORABLE: Well, the fake news is going to say I was lying because gas is going to go to $10 a gallon and they’re going to say, “You know, look at that. He played it off like it was nothing. He said only $5.” I said $5, $6, maybe $7 a gallon. It’s going up higher than Hunter Biden on a Saturday night, when you look at it. It’s a horrible thing. Like Elon Musk’s rocket ship, it’s going to the moon. But, you know, they’re blaming it on Vladimir Putin. We need to be energy independent again.

    And, quite frankly, I think it could happen, and it will happen. Just give it a few years, and we’re going to take it all back, and we’re going to Make America Great Again. But we could fix it, and they refuse to fix it. You know, now Sleepy Joe wants to talk about federal gas tax. How about we look at producing our own energy and stop relying on Russia, Russia, Russia for energy and oil? And maybe we could get better gas prices, because it’s killing people. Quite frankly, it’s killing people. Believe me.

    BUCK: You know, Mr. President, CNN just last week posted its worst week of ratings in over 20 years, which a lot of people are saying shows just how broken that network is after your presidency. So, if Jim Acosta is going to bed with tears at night knowing that CNN has been beaten up so badly by Trump, what do you want to say? How would you encourage CNN to come out of their fake news slumber?

    CAPT. DEPLORABLE: Well, I would have to say, you have to tread water. But two more years this, then I’ll be back, and then you’ll finally have something to talk about because there’s nothing to talk about on the fake news. They don’t talk about anything. They used to talk about Trump, Trump, Trump. You know, that’s why I said, the failing New York Times is probably going to endorse me because I’m the only thing keeping them afloat.

    And now they have nothing to talking about. The ratings are going down, you know, harder and faster than, quite frankly, when Rosie O’Donnell falls out of bed. It’s a horrible thing that’s happening. But you’re seeing the rise of new and better news, and CNN is going by the wayside unless they shape up. And they’re not going to do that because, you know, quite frankly, they’re going to lose even more ratings if they do that. So, I would say tread water and wait for me to come back, and then maybe you’ll have something to talk about.

    BUCK: And you’re gonna tell folks to follow more of your work, and I know you’re very close with Captain Deplorable. Where should everybody go to see what Captain Deplorable, your good buddy’s, up to?

    CAPT. DEPLORABLE: CaptainDeplorable45.com. He’ll leave you a big, beautiful birthday message, and you’ll troll your liberal sister-in-law if you have one — and it’s a great place to go. So, check it out — CaptainDeplorable45.com — and check out the podcast. It’s really incredible, believe me.

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    BUCK: Clay, that was our friend Captain Deplorable, obviously, who I bumped into in person down here in Florida. He has been on the show before, does the best Trump voice I’ve ever heard. I don’t think anybody’s quite as good, and he’s… (laughing) He’s phenomenal. Phenomenal.

    CLAY: He is so good. We had him on live, what, maybe two or three months ago and he killed it. It was hard for us to keep a straight face. And even there listening to him, it’s so perfect. He sounds just like Trump! He’s the best impersonator I’ve ever heard.

    BUCK: I feel like if he called a lot of people I know who don’t get calls from Trump, he could probably for a minute or two… He’d probably get away with it, they’d probably be like, “Oh, Mr. President…” He’s that good. If I didn’t know he was calling I’d be like, “Hey, hello again, Mr. President. Good to talk to you.”

    CLAY: Trump comes on the show enough that… I keep waiting. It’s gonna be like War of the Worlds. Somebody’s gonna report that Trump actually said what Captain Deplorable playing Trump said. And they could even clip it and argue, “Hey, this is him.” I think Trump would listen to it. And I’d like to hear him and Trump going back and forth talking with each other. Because that would be almost —

    BUCK: Remember that moment when Trump let Jimmy Fallon, you know, kind of tussle up his hair whatever? When Trump has… He’s shown sense of humor about himself, and that is yet another secret weapon and people really appreciate that. No matter who you are, you can never take yourself too seriously.

    CLAY: Well, Trump was great. I mean, the bicycle line that we played yesterday talking about how he’ll never ride a bicycle, and that is what so many of the far-left wing that hated Trump never really got. He had a decent sense of humor because he has an intuitive sense — almost like a comedian — how to work a room and how to work an audience. It’s why he was so good.

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    22 Jun 2022

    CLAY: We’ve obviously been talking a lot on the program about the need and necessity for a Red Wave to exist in November. A little bit over, what, four months from now, basically, as we get ready to roll into July. And a lot of people are gonna be paused with the July 4th holiday. We hope all of you have fantastic July 4th holiday plans. I was reading a good piece in the National Journal talking about how big a wave Republicans could legitimately have in terms of how many seats could be added in the House.

    And, look, in 2010, the party gained 63 seats. Right now, things are better set up for a Red Wave in 2022, but the number of seats that potentially could be available are smaller because not a lot of people are discussing, in 2020 Republicans picked up 12 seats. So, Buck, you and I have been discussing what exactly a historic wave would represent, and the raw numbers may not be there just because there are fewer and fewer seats that are theoretically in play. Now, earlier in the show you pointed out, Buck, that you talked to your buddy Ned Ryun, and he said, “Hey, there are some seats out there 10- or 15-point Democrat favored seats, maybe some 20-point seats.”

    BUCK: From 2020. Right.

    CLAY: Yeah, for four months from now. But historically this National Journal piece raises an interesting analysis. If there were 35 seats picked up by House Republicans, that would give the Republican Party its highest number of seats, 248 seats, under the auspices of this hypothetical. That would be the most sheets Republicans have had in the House since 1928, since before we saw Franklin Roosevelt come into office. So this kind of historically… You and I are both history buffs. I was reading this, and that was a “wow” moment to me. Almost a hundred-year high for Republican support in the House is legitimately a realistic expectation in this midterm in about four months.

    BUCK: I think that we can start to separate out the transactional voter from the ideological voter in terms of who is gettable or persuadable here, right? Meaning, let’s start with the ideological voter. That would be people for whom the prospect of voting Republican emotionally upsets them —

    CLAY: Yes.

    BUCK: — makes them feel bad about themselves. They watch MSNBC and they drink those soy lattes and they cry at night about the threat of climate change and don’t think that they should have children because of the carbon footprint, et cetera, et cetera. We know it. So that’s why there are limitations of the ideological leftist is the ideological Democrat voter, and I think now because the Trump memory for them is still large.

    And of course, the media’s pushing it all the time with January 6th. They’re out of the game. Okay. But now we look at the transactional voter, people for whom — and it takes in a lot of independents but also how motivated are some Democrats. You get some of the Rust Belt Democrats, more union-focused Democrats, and for them the vote is a referendum. This midterm becomes a referendum on the “What have you done for me lately?” question.

    What has the Biden regime done for people? I think what we’re seeing is a transactional voter avalanche toward the right because of two things. One, the failure based on what the Biden promises might be. So there’s what Biden promised and didn’t come through with, but then there’s also the result that we’re seeing from different Democrat policies at the border, on crime, obviously with inflation.

    So there’s the unmet expectations component and there’s the, “Oh, my gosh. You guys said do X and Y will happen, and Z happened, and it’s not good. It means I have less money. It means I’m less safe. It means I have less freedom.” So, I think that we’re seeing about as much as of a shift as you could be realistically see of the transactional voter — the persuadable voter, however you want to put it — because what else is there right now? What else can you point to? The gas tax holiday gimmick we talked about the top of the show? Biden’s team is out of the tricks, folks. There’s nothing left for them.

    CLAY: Here’s the way I think about it. I’m in Atlanta now, and I can look out my studio and I can see the Atlanta Braves baseball stadium. Let me give you a sports analogy, Buck. They say in baseball… You play 162 games. That is an unbelievable amount of games to play, and the old canard in baseball is, “Pretty much every team’s gonna win 60, pretty much every team’s gonna lose 60; it’s what you do with the other 42 that matter,” and so it’s hard to lose. It’s 60-60. What do you do with the other 42?


    I would say a landslide election is approaching 60% of voters. ‘Cause, to your point, 40% of people are voting Republican. They are allied. It is their brand. Forty percent of people are voting Democrat. It is their brand. They are allied. It’s the other 20% that decide everything, and I believe almost all of that 20% — the persuadable middle — a lot of whom are listening to us right now because they’re so desperate for sanity.

    We have attracted the persuadable middle. The reason why we’re number one in all those markets, yes, Rush did a phenomenal job. But things have gotten way crazier since Rush left us, and I think a lot of people out there every single day look around and don’t recognize the America that they live in. And they aren’t particularly affiliated with one party or the other. They just think in terms of sane and insane. They’re overwhelming breaking for Republicans because right now the Republican Party is the same party.

    Despite what they want to tell you out there in the larger media ecosystem, there are a lot of things that Democrats believe, such as, “Hey, when a baby’s born; sometimes a doctor gets it wrong when he says, ‘It’s a boy,’ ‘It’s a girl!’” No, he doesn’t right? No, she doesn’t. When Megan Rapinoe is saying (summarized), “Hey, if you want your girls are playing high school sports, it doesn’t really matter what happens in those sports.

    “If a boy wants to play and he identifies as a girl, you should basically just suck it up and deal with it.” These are things that people look at and say, “This is crazy: 8.6% inflation, $5 gas.” The Democrats are the party of insanity. What they are arguing for does not make sense to common people out there, and that is why we’re gonna get a landslide election in the well, and I hope it extends to ’24.

    BUCK: This is also what we’re seeing in the data already, the polling data and all the anecdotal data as well as Texas 34, that district that just went for a Republican, Mayra Flores. A lot of Hispanics — and by “transactional voter,” I don’t mean that as any kind of a criticism, but, “I vote for this person because…” Everybody, at some level, is transactional voter. But it’s just a question of how ideologically attached to a certain platform or certain individual you may feel.

    I think a lot of Hispanic voters are trending toward the GOP because they’re saying, “We vote for people not because as much of the identification with the Democrat Party that we feel innately, intrinsically,” in the depths of our soul, right — again, going to the more coastal elite, deep-blue Democrat mentality. They vote, basically, because they want good schools. They want normalcy in the schools in terms of what’s being taught. They want safe streets.

    They want economic opportunity, they want to be able to build businesses, they want to be able to pay reasonable taxes, and they want a reasonable and reasonably effective government. Now, maybe they want a government that’s more active sometimes and more helpful than what you would see on the right. But if that is your approach — if you want safe schools, reasonable economics, safe streets — you have to vote Republican. You have to, if nothing else, to repudiate the Democrat failures that we’re seeing. What was the most recent number? What, 55% of Hispanics nationally are leaning for a Republican candidate? Sounds good to me. I’m hoping we get up to 60, 65.

    CLAY: Yeah, no doubt, and I just wanted to contextualize that 35 seats, because a lot of people have in their minds, “Oh, in 2010, it was a 60-seat swing.” But that’s a function of what’s available and what’s not available. That 35 — just put 35 in your minds out there — would lead to the largest Republican majority in the House in nearly a hundred years. That’s how much of a landslide would have occurred in the House of Representatives, and that’s worth keeping in your mind as we move towards the midterms as a number that would be good to hit.

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    Why Aren’t the Colbert Insurrectionists in Solitary?

    22 Jun 2022

    CLAY: I think this story deserves way more attention than it’s getting. Stephen Colbert had a bunch of producers on his show that were caught trespassing in the Capitol office buildings. Now, of course, this is the same sort of thing on January 6th that everybody’s obsessed with and that there are still people — and I can’t believe this is still going on. There are still people in solitary confinement that were arrested for violations of the law on January 6th. Solitary confinement.

    I donated, by the way, money to help those people get lawyers so that they can get out of that solitary confinement. We have covered that story because almost no one else is covering it. But when all these Stephen Colbert producers got arrested, Colbert didn’t apologize. He didn’t say “our bad.” He didn’t say we did something wrong. He actually went on his show — which, let’s remember, he is on in the place where David Letterman used to be on.

    He’s a late-night comedic talk show host who has effectively turned his show into Democrat propaganda, and he lectured everyone out there who would draw any equivalence or similarity between the behavior of his staff and January 6th. Even though a lot of people who were arrested on January 6th were in there taking selfies and weren’t “existential threats to democracy” as Democrats have been arguing for a long time. Listen to Stephen Colbert, who’s supposed to be funny, lecture all of you for daring to hold his staff accountable.

    CLAY: The only person who died on January 6th was Ashli Babbitt, and she was shot by a Capitol officer. Buck, are you as disgusted by Stephen Colbert as I am, and by his inability or unwillingness to acknowledge that his staff did something wrong here?

    BUCK: I expect nothing more from him. So it’s disgusting, but that’s about in line with what you’ve seen from the transformation of that storied slot, which was meant to be entertaining at night for the American people, right? It changed. It’s become yet another pathetic propaganda platform, not even willing to push the envelope with jokes, just willing to make propaganda night and night out. But I thought it was funny too, “sedition insurrection.” They’re really pushing this stuff hard.

    One would think that all insurrections require a degree of sedition. But, anyway, the bigger problem I think we see here, Clay, is yet again: The arbitrary and politicized enforcement of the law. This can pull apart a society. When you think of countries where people are not free, where they’re truly not free, one thing that is always the case, whatever the justice system may be — whatever the law enforcement, prosecutorial, and incarceration apparatus may be — it is always showing favoritism, it is often capricious, and it is at the whim of those in power.

    It doesn’t actually involve basic principles. It doesn’t actually involve justice in a true sense of the word. And this is what we see with Democrats over and over again. I mean, the fact that, as you said, we’ve had these individuals in some cases for entirely nonviolent and not even particularly destructive acts held in solitary confinement, and some judges have said they need to be held in confinement — this is true, this is because of the judge’s orders — because of the risk of another insurrection? Yeah.

    I’m sure these people who have had their lives ruined are really thinking, “Let me go and try to take another selfie inside the Capitol sometime soon.” It’s outrageous, and we all know that. But look at the way — even as we often talk about the crime issue Clay in different cities — at the same time that the government was willing to enforce mandatory vaccination… They would arrest people for going to church! They would arrest people. Men and women with badges would manhandle you for failure to mask up properly in public venues, which was lunacy.

    It did nothing, and the people who pushed those policies are idiots. They do that at the same time that they don’t want the enforcement of quality-of-life crimes. They don’t want the enforcement of laws against theft, against vagrancy, against simple assault, against burglary, you name it. So, the state somehow in the same period of time, Clay, has decided — Democrats have decided — laws about covid, whatever it is we’ll enforce and we’ll use the full force of the law. But laws that actually keep people safe? Oh, no, those we’ll ignore. But when there’s politics involved like there was in the January 6th riot, the full force of the law brought down without any compunction against these people. This is abuse of the worst kind.

    CLAY: Has anything surprised you? You and I paid attention way more than 99.999% of people to overall news stories, ’cause it’s our job. Has anything surprised you that has come out from January 6th, the hearing?

    BUCK: Yes. The severity of the punishment. Oh, from the hearings?

    CLAY: In terms of the hearings themselves, has anything surprised you? Have you been surprised?

    BUCK: No.

    CLAY: I want to play Stelter —

    BUCK: Yeah, go ahead and play it.

    CLAY: — because he’s arguing, Stelter is — who, by the way, the reports have been maybe on his way out at CNN, but Brian Stelter is trying to argue, “Oh, the right-wing media is totally burying everything that’s going on surrounding January 6th.” My argument would be, Buck, that we’re not burying anything. It’s just all of this has been reported in the Washington Post and the New York Times and MSNBC and CNN ad infinitum. There’s nothing really new to anything that’s being presented, but here’s his argument. Nobody’s paying enough attention to January 6th, and everybody’s burying it! Listen.

    STELTER: They absolutely hate the hearing story and will do anything not to talk about it. OAN, for example, goes and interviews lawyers of accused rioters who are in jail instead of talking about the hearing. Tucker Carlson obsesses over Stephen Colbert’s crew being detained at the Capitol, claims that’s an insurrection, in order to mock the real insurrection. (sputtering) I can’t express enough how right-wing media is burying what is going on at these hearings, pretending it’s not happening.

    And that effects politicians as well. You have senators, lawmakers on the Republican side saying they’re not watching — and they’re proud to say they’re not watching, ’cause their viewers aren’t, either. If you look at the ratings for Fox News on the three days, they did show the hearings, dropped like a rock. The audience literally just cratered during the hearing and then came right back afterwards. That’s the reality of the Republican Party bubble thanks to the GOP media.

    CLAY: It’s funny that he mentions ratings, because while CNN has been covering January 6th obsessively, last week they hit a 22-year low in the number of viewers that they have, and I think that’s because most CNN viewers already know everything about January 6th, too, Buck. They’re try to repackage this and try to play it as if there’s new revelations coming. I pay a lot of attention to the media coverage.

    I’ve been watching all January 6th coverage for 18 months now. I told you that I watched the opening prime time hearings. I know you did too. I watched the first 20 minutes. I said, “They ain’t got nothing new.” They still don’t. This was a riot. People deserve to be punishment who rioted. But this idea that it was a coup or an insurrection? I haven’t seen anything that hadn’t already been written about.

    BUCK: There’s a critical question that needs to be asked about all of this, too, and they don’t have — or they won’t give — a real answer. What exactly are we supposed to do now about all of this? They keep talking about “the insurrection.” Okay. Clay, you weren’t there. I wasn’t there. I condemned it; you condemned it. This audience wasn’t there. We’ve already had people in solitary confinement. We’ve already had people get lengthy prison terms for nonviolent crimes. The media has talked about it obsessively.

    What exactly are we supposed to do? And you see, you ask this question, you go, “Hold on. Oh, this is really just about politics, actually.” They say it’s about saving our sacred democracy, but what it’s really about is maligning Donald Trump to the greatest possible extent is that he will be either not a candidate or not a viable candidate for the presidency again. This is all politics. There’s no takeaway from this. They’re not saying, “Going forward, here’s how we would avoid this.” I have an idea. Don’t have Capitol Police on video in different places wave people closer to the Capitol!

    CLAY: (laughing) Yeah.

    BUCK: There are a lot of security procedures that we could actually talk about going forward. You know, give National Guard protection in advance if you think there is going to be some kind of a riot. But you see if it were about security and if it were about the things they sometimes pretend, then we’d also want to say:

    What about the riot out in front of the White House when Trump was president? What about attempting to burn down the church that was 150 years old right across from the White House or burning down a federal courthouse in Portland — trying to — successfully burning down a police station in Minneapolis, the billions of dollars? They didn’t do billions of dollars of damage inside the Capitol. They don’t have dozens of people who died as a result of the Capitol.

    Dozens of people died because of a Democrat movement known as BLM, which was used to intimidate voters — in an election year — and we saw this from the businesses that were boarded up. They weren’t boarded up in case Trump won. None of that gets brought into this. None of the rejection of political violence as a tool for the Democrats — none of that — gets discussed or talked about. So this isn’t about our sacred democracy or making it safer. This is about rubbing Trump’s face in it and all of his voters’ face in it, so that we won’t do the only sane thing now, which is throw these Democrat lunatics out of office for making the country poorer, weaker, and more miserable for 18 months.

    CLAY: There you go, Brian Stelter! Nobody watches CNN. Lots of people listen to this radio show. We just talked about January 6th. There’s nothing there. You’re welcome, by the way, when you get fired at CNN, to come on this show and lecture us about why we need to cover it more.

    BUCK: (impression) “Clay Travis is gonna be mean to him. He’s gonna make fun of his voice and is gonna say, ‘Hey, buddy, why are you never honest with your audience?’”

    BREAK TRANSCRIPT

    BUCK: Welcome back to Clay and Buck. That was the very excellent Victor Davis Hanson there, really reiterating a point we were just talking about a few minutes ago on how the political application of the law is so toxic to a free society. And you have to ask the question: Are we ruled by the law these days or are we ruled by men and women who have political axes to grinds and power to achieve?

    Because, Clay, the border? The primary motivation for Democrats is not rule of law. In major cities really all across the country now, criminal justice? It’s not the equal application of the law. What we saw on January 6th and the treatment of those defendants? Not the equal application of the law. We’re heading into some stormy waters with this.

    CLAY: There’s no doubt. We talked earlier about Andrew Gillum get charged with 21 felony accounts. There are oftentimes politicians that are not very powerful who get felony counts brought against them or their family. One of the big lessons of January 6th is there is a clear attempt on behalf of Democrats to get Donald Trump charged with felonies relating to January 6th. Simultaneously, you and I have a bet about Hunter Biden and all of the complicity. There is evidence on his laptop of what he has been involved in in terms of selling access to the Biden family.

    Will anything happen there? We already know that Hillary Clinton’s campaign to a large extent based on the forum in which they were having the Sussmann trial was able to avoid criminal allegations being proven, despite the fact that there were a lot of details given about all of her complicity in the great Russia collusion hoax.

    There’s all these dueling interpretations of what the law is involving powerful people. How is the law going to be applied — and, most importantly, does the American public out there have confidence that if you’re in a position of power, the law will be applied fairly against you? It’s one of the biggest questions of our time, I think it’s fair to say.

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