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Van Jones to Democrats: “Nobody Talks That Way at the Barbershop.”

20 Jun 2022

CLAY: We have been talking, Buck, about CBS, NBC, ABC, even a little bit of MSNBC, but certainly of late at CNN they are starting to react to basic truths that are coming through time after time with all of this polling. Joe Biden. I was looking at the Real Clear Politics. They do the best job out there of collating all the polls. Biden is below 39% approval, and he’s been down there at the lowest levels of his support for the last half of this month or so, continuing to go down as opposed to bounce back up as Democrats need in time for the midterms.

Well, Van Jones — who we’ve talked about before on this program — is one of the more, I would say, rational and intelligent analysts who looks at things from a Democrat perspective. He’s on CNN, and listen to him slam the elitism of the Democrat Party. Everyone is in shock on this panel at CNN to suddenly hear the truth.

CLAY: Buck, this is what I hear all the time, and this is where I come from the sports perspective. Just talk to people like they’re normal. We’ve talked about “Latinx.” We’ve got a huge number of people with Hispanic backgrounds that have no idea what that means. BIPOC? There’s a lot of black and Asian… This “people of color reference,” it doesn’t work. It’s an elite level of, frankly, incompetence that is characterizing the Democrat Party right now, and I think the only way you recognize this is with a really big ass kicking, which I think we’re gonna get in ’22 and in ’24.

BUCK: Think of just the belief behind using the term “Latinx,” which the Hispanic community does not use. Irrespective of their political assertion — Democrat, Republicans — they don’t use this.

CLAY: That’s right.

BUCK: No one uses this except people who are a part of the elite apparatus of the Democrats, and what’s so interesting is that those individuals also claim to be using it on behalf of what they refer to now as a “marginalized communities.” It’s a very broad, very vague term, intentionally so. But it’s because if you were to say “Latino” or “Latina,” you are using “gendered language.” This is fascinating. So does that mean now that the entire language…? Anyone who knows some of the romance languages, European languages like French, Spanish. There’s gender all over the place, right?

CLAY: Yeah.

BUCK: Male and feminine pronouns.

CLAY: Every word has a gender association with it.

BUCK: Yeah, every word has a gender association. So are we now — and, by the way, this is again where we say these things, and it used to be I think the thinking was, “This is the point on…” I think we had a caller who said, “You don’t need to have LeBron James go into the WNBA to prove the point. If you had a six-foot-eight men’s college basketball player that person would probably score 80 points a game or something.”

So the examples we use to expose the absurdity of the left, it’s important that everybody understands that the true left these days would actually embrace the absurdity, meaning the next step. They aren’t even at a point now where they’ll say, “No, no, we wouldn’t want to do that.” It’s just a question what they think is politically achievable. So if they thought they could get people to entirely change language — meaning the basic structure of language like French, Italian, German.

All these things that have masculine and feminine pronoun usage, but also just nouns are masculine and feminine. We have all these different words in our own language we can’t say “mankind” anymore, right. It’s “personkind.” You see this. Their control of language is meant as manipulation, and you always have to remember that. Our friend Chris Rufo over the weekend, Clay, shared the gender vocabulary and how incredibly Orwellian it is.

Orwell used to write about the usage of words to bring about certain political outcomes, and it was not just 1984. He wrote essays on this.

These are all phrases — this is from Chris Rufo — that you see everywhere. The mere usage of those phrases is oftentimes going along with things that are either in dispute or flatly untrue, and that’s why Van Jones is sitting there saying, “Hey, guys, they’re starting to figure this game out a little bit.”

CLAY: And, by the way, this is what drives Democrats, I think, particularly crazy. A lot of this is across racial lines. We were talking earlier about the idea of male swimmers, for instance, being able to identify as female swimmers. Do you know who overwhelmingly rejects that conceit? Black sports fans. Asian sports fans. Hispanic sports fans. And obviously white sports fans. This is something that crosses every line that supposedly is being used to identity politics us in terms of big differences.

And it’s that brings people together because it’s a fundamental lie that is being overwhelmingly rejected by all people who understand basically sports. And that’s why I think it’s so powerful and it’s why Democrats can’t even figure out how to defend it themselves. I mean, this swimmer reportedly said, “I’m the Jackie Robinson of swimming.”

No, no, no. You’re a dude who decided to identify as a chick. Jackie Robinson was a black man. He couldn’t change that. You just decided, “I wasn’t that great of a male swimmer. Now I’m gonna be a great female swimmer,” and you’re gonna refer to yourself as “the Jackie Robinson of swimming”? It’s insulting to anyone with a functional brain.

BUCK: And you could also see how immediately the left gets very angry about the notion of transracialism, which is fascinating on many levels, right, meaning the idea that you could change your race — and we have seen cases of people who have effectively said or lives their lives as though they were a different race than what they actually were, right?

CLAY: Yes.

BUCK: So the left does not accept that.

CLAY: That is super racist thing to do.

BUCK: That is super racist, and it’s so interesting because even in our very broad racial categorization, are highly imprecise at best, right? You’ll notice that there are people who are let’s say they have of their four grandparents, one is black or one is Latino or what, and they’ll identify as that when the reality is they’re actually many different things.

BUCK: It’s who we all are as human beings. We all have access to 23andMe. We all see there’s a lot of different things that make each and every one of us. But we have these very clear categorizations that are laid out and that have political resonance for people and that have — as the Supreme Court as referred to it, or at least one Supreme Court justice — the racial entitlement state that has been built in this country, where certain skin color gives you certain things. That is the reality of the affirmative action programs that exist in so many places and that the Supreme Court is reviewing. Is that this term, I think ,or is that…?

CLAY: That’s the fall. It’s gonna be in the fall. But there’s a reason why to your point, Buck, someone who’s 25% Hispanic, right — three white parents within one who is Hispanic — identifies as Hispanic for purposes of applying to colleges. Because even though you’re one quarter Hispanic, that advantage is substantial or one quarter black.

BUCK: This is the other thing: This is morally indefensible. People play games with this all the time. And that’s why I do think they’ve pushed this all to a point where people who are acting in good faith and people who just wanted to be left alone have realized, they won’t leave you alone.

CLAY: Yes.

BUCK: Meaning, the Democrat apparatus is not gonna say, “Hey, if you’re just accepting of using these different terms…” It’s not, “Please use the term Latinx if you feel like doing it.” It’s “Just give it time; everybody’s gonna have to use that term — or else.” Look what they’ve done with “undocumented.” You hear it everywhere. It’s “illegal immigrants,” folks. People are breaking the law. It’s undocumented all over the place.

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This White House Ignores the Overdose Pandemic

20 Jun 2022

BUCK: There are genuine crises that seem to get almost no attention from this White House. And the drug overdose pandemic — and I do think it is fair to call it that — in this country is something that deserves a whole lot more attention, and I think there are some reasons we should explore as to why the media seems so much less interested in this. I mean, first of all, if you’re curious — and I think all of us should be — not only was last year the highest year ever for overdose deaths from drugs in the United States, over a hundred thousand people, and unlike…

Clay and I were just talking about the covid numbers where a lot of people who were either hospitalized or died and listed as covid as the cause, a lot of those instances were not actually from covid. With someone dies from a drug overdose they died from a drug overdose so that’s over a hundred thousand people who are also overwhelming in the age range of 18 to 35, maybe 18 to 45, so you’re losing a lot of people who are early in their lives and there’s a whole series of problems that have all come together here.

The wide-open border, for example. So, last year was the worst ever for fentanyl and general drug overdoses in this country, over a hundred thousand people died. The first five months of 2022, according to the Department of Justice, Clay, more fentanyl seized, which people might say, oh, that means we are doing better law enforcement. That actually, to anyone who understands the drug trade means there’s more fentanyl coming, meaning more of it’s getting into the country too.

You’re not actually stopping the flow. You might be catching more of a larger flow. More fentanyl seized the first five months of 2022 surpassed all of last year. So, we are already, in terms of fentanyl seizures, beyond where we were. So, you can think that that’s because of really aggressive law enforcement or you can think that that’s because the drugs are flowing in in greater numbers. And you look at a state like Oregon where we talked about this briefly last week, the Democrat state of Oregon, run by Democrats, Democrat voters, made drugs effectively legal — fentanyl, cocaine, heroin — for personal possession.

They wouldn’t arrest people for using the stuff out in public. People were shooting up in downtown Portland with heroin needles, clean needle programs, decriminalization, all this. All it has led to is more people dying, more people using, and more destruction of their downtown. What do you think it takes for Democrats to realize that permissiveness is not kindness? It’s not the same thing, that allowing people to destroy themselves is not the same thing as being — as being considerate and sympathetic to your fellow human being.

CLAY: Yeah. And it’s just part and parcel of the rampant lawlessness that we are seeing. And I like to discuss years of life lost. When we are setting these records, over a hundred thousand people dying of drug overdoses, fentanyl overwhelmingly the cause of most of those, you’re talking about people in their twenties, in their thirties, in their forties with their entire lives left to be lived that are dying. And the lawlessness of our southern border is also contributing to the lawlessness that exists all over the country, Buck.

I’m looking right now at a Fox News headline. We’ve talked a lot about homicide increases since 2020, went up 30% in 2020, up again in 2021. We got a lot of cities out there where people are listening to us — L.A.; Washington, D.C.; Baltimore; Milwaukee; and Atlanta — halfway through the year are all setting pace for record homicide increases again. That’s a wade scope of the country, right? East Coast all the way to the West Coast, the South, the Midwest.

I’m headed to Atlanta here for a Braves game as soon as this thing is over. People in Atlanta are terrified with what is going on in their crime rate. We know, Buck, we’ve talked a lot about all of the issues in L.A., including two cops who got murdered. And I think we have the audio associated with that from the mom who is furious over the situations that have been allowed to exist in these Democrat cities and states and what is going on in terms of the danger to everybody as a result. It’s overwhelmingly difficult to listen to what these people are saying in response to all of that violence. It just is brutal on an absolutely epic level.

BUCK: This all relates back to bad ideas, ideas that were pushed very heavily in 2020, ending — and I think there’s also just a broader tie-in here, Clay, where a lot of the ideas of the left that end up having catastrophic consequences for really everybody in society, just making everything worse, whether it’s defund the police, ending mass incarceration, legalization of the most hard-core drugs, a lot of it starts with an appeal to conservatives’ decency, sympathy, and — I would say — innate kindness.

“Come on, guys, we don’t want to lock people up forever for drugs,” and that then all of a sudden, turns into, “Yeah, so what if we found a gangbanger’s been arrested 15 times for drugs and illegal firearm and maybe he’s been threatening to kill a rival or kill an ex-girlfriend but we want to end mass incarceration so we’re gonna let him go,” and we see what ends up happening.

This is tied in of course to the shooting of the two brave officers, officers who did answer the call, who did go into the gunfire and exchange fire with that gang member who had his gang literally tattooed on his face, right? Just so everyone understands. It’s not really a tough call for Gascon, the district attorney. You know, this isn’t an honor student who got caught up with the wrong crowd one afternoon and did some graffiti somewhere.

There was a hard-core gang member who killed two police officers. But I just… I bring it up because the Democrat appeal — and you hear this in media in the beginning — is, “Come on, don’t you guys want to be nice? Don’t you want to do the nice thing?” and it’s actually not nice in Portland to allow people to do heroin out in the open and to overdose and to choke on their own vomit and die.

That’s actually not a kindness for those people. We should be looking at what actually the results of policies are and we should be trying to promote, yeah, the general warfare but also the individual warfare. You’re not doing people any favors by letting them destroy themselves out in public and make their communities a nightmare for everybody else.

And then you even get into, Clay, these drugs are different than other drugs in the past. I mean, that’s I think another part of it that people need to understand. The cartels make fentanyl pills to look like pharmaceutical grade Percocet, to look like — to look like things that are made by pharma companies that you’ve actually heard of, that doctors would prescribe people and so a kid a 15-year-old, an 18-year-old will take one, dead.

CLAY: Yeah.

BUCK: That’s happening all over the country, and that’s happening day in and day out. The numbers are vast, in every community, large and small. How much time is the Biden administration put into tackling that problem versus how much time had the Biden and the Democrats put into January 6th, for example? But our Democrat is in peril, they shout.

CLAY: Yeah. How much attention have we even seen at the border, period? The only time we’ve seen a story at the border that the Biden administration has commented on or the media has been well to press the Biden administration on, was the ridiculous, made-up story about the Border Patrol agents who were whipping Haitian immigrants even though that clearly is not true. And we talked about it last week that there’s some sort of consequences that are trying to be brought to bear on that issue. But it speaks to the media’s failure to address issues that directly impact massive amounts of the American public on a day-to-day basis.

Again, if you’re in your twenties, thirties, and forties, covid was virtually zero risk to you, but the fentanyl, a massive amounts of drugs coming across your borders and the number of people who couldn’t go to their AA meetings or couldn’t go to church or couldn’t have their normal social encounters that would have helped to keep maybe so much of this depression and anxiety and drug use down, all got taken away from ’em. And we’re still not even discussing all of the long-term consequences of the worst American public policy decision in most of our lifetimes, which was to shut down and allow all of these drugs to run rampant in our streets.

BUCK: And you see the Democrats now in the city of Portland, including a candidate for mayor, are recognizing what has been done as a result. These were decisions that were made — this isn’t just a thing that happened — and it’s true in many other cities when you looked at the crime, the crime in San Francisco. They have similar issues with the open air drug use. Clay, they’re now talking about putting all of the homeless encampments into these tiny homes, essentially, almost like a shack, a prefabricated shack.

And ask now so they’re just gonna create these massive open air homeless encampments with little houses. And then they’re gonna still be dealing with a lot of the same problems, though. They have created an approval of people doing this. They’ve said, “Okay, you want to be doing fentanyl?” Remember, anyone who’s using fentanyl in these places is gonna be often selling it. That’s how they get the money to buy the fentanyl themselves.

They’re gonna be a part of that chain of transmission. And they don’t arrest them and they don’t say enough is enough and communities are being destroyed by them. These are ideas that the left have pushed that are wrong yet again and I just think there needs to be accountability for it. I think Joe Biden — you brought up the border, Clay. The border is wide open. It’s a problem not just because of illegal immigration.

It means that it’s easier than ever to get fentanyl across the border which has killed people that members of this audience are related to, know very well, taught in school all over the country. And there’s no sense of urgency from this White House whatsoever to be able to deal with this. Such a great sense of urgency, though, on climate, for example.

Hundred thousand people a year dying from fentanyl overdoses. Look at how much more time they spend talking about the Green New Deal than about the drug epidemic we have in the country. So, I think it just — it shows you what they care about and the generally — well, actually I was gonna say you can’t even generalize about where these overdoses are happening. It’s all over the country.

CLAY: Everywhere simultaneously, and the failure of the media to hold the Biden administration accountable for this in any way or even write about it or even care about it, especially because of its association with the border is biased incompetence that’s directly costing tens of thousands of lives.

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Shrill Leftist Press Escalates Its Outrage Machine

20 Jun 2022

BUCK: It is amazing, Clay, to see some of the ongoing back-and-forth between members of the — I think we could call it “the elitist media,” because they’re not elite because they’re good —

CLAY: Yes.

BUCK: — but they belong to institutions that think they’re better than everyone else, and we’ve had a few these fights recently. Even Bill Maher was saying recently that the Washington Post writer — who is now fired, so ex-Washington Post writer — who came out and said that she thought that Dave Weigel should be fired because he retweeted a joke — and it was clearly a joke. He retweeted it, and she wanted him gone. I also thought it was fascinating to watch that she…

Felicia Sonmez is her name. She is now looking for work. I cannot recommend her journalistic credentials to anybody out there. But she also — did you see? — wanted discipline against anybody who defended Weigel! So if someone does something bad at your company and you say, “Hey, I don’t think that’s so bad,” the new position of the shrill, authoritarian, postmodernist left is: You need to be punished for disagreeing with me that the person who did the thing should be punished.

I’ve never seen that escalation before. That was interesting. But then it doesn’t stop there. Felicia Sonmez is indicative of a more widespread reality among leftist women in media these days who simply… Not only can they not take a joke. They refuse to allow anyone to make a joke. Matthew Iglesias is a well known left-wing guy who writes a lot of stuff. He’s actually… He strikes me as among the… He’s smart for a leftist, I think it’s fair. I’m not a big… I don’t know his work very well.

But he’s not like a Joy Behar is what I’m saying. He’s not a total moron. He’s a pretty clever guy, and he wrote this:

These are what we would call “dad jokes,” right? On Father’s Day no less! This is, “Hey, there, Clay, I flew in from Vegas over the weekend and boy are my arms tired,” harmless, corny jokes. Taylor Lorenz responded to Matt Yglesias for this one:

BUCK: That is the quote. She kept going, by the way. There’s more than that. These people have… She is mentally ill. There’s something deeply wrong with her.

CLAY: They have totally lost their minds. You can’t even make a joke about covid without — and, by the way, to your point, it’s clearly a dad joke. It’s not a malicious joke in nature. Oh, these people… Here’s a good way of thinking. Has there ever been a really great person with an awful sense of humor? Do you think that there are really funny totalitarians? Most of the time the answer is no. I bet most terrorists don’t sit around making each other laugh all the time because generally complete fealty to a dogma and the opposite of humor, and increasingly that’s what you see online from all these blue check mark journalists.

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Uvalde Cops Didn’t Even Try to Open the School Door?

20 Jun 2022

CLAY: Very few shows out there will support police more than this one. We need more cops on the streets, we need more criminals behind bars, we need more support for law enforcement, period. But it doesn’t mean cops are without flaws. And as more and more of the details come out surrounding the Uvalde school shooting, it becomes increasingly clear that this was a failure of epic portions when it comes to the response that was brought to bear inside of that school.

Now to reiterate, for a lot of you out there who may have forgotten some of the details, this shooter went into the school. Two minutes later, according to the timeline, the first Uvalde police entered in behind him. Reports are that they exchanged gunfire in some way and for a long time basically since this story broke, Buck, the report has been that the shooter locked the door behind him in the classroom and they couldn’t find the key and they had to wait for the right group to be able to breach that door. Now there is a report that came out over the weekend — and we increasingly don’t know the most basic details here — that suggest the door may not have been locked at all.

And that there was, therefore, no need whatsoever to have ever waited in the hallway while that madman was in there with the kids and the teachers. This matters in a massive way because he was left in there for up to 75 to 77 minutes before he was finally challenged by the Border Patrol guys who went in through that door. We still, Buck, to my knowledge, haven’t seen any photographs of these classrooms. Were there windows that could have been accessible as opposed to the door?

But if the door of the unlocked and they simply didn’t grab that door and swing it open, how many lives were lost unnecessarily as people were in there wounded, bleeding, kids and teachers, and when will we know the full truth? Because more and more this begins to look like one of the most incompetent police responses we have ever seen in a mass shooting situation, certainly inside of a school in the post-Columbine area. What was your reaction when you saw that the door may not have been locked at all?

BUCK: They’re going to delay the final results of the investigation as long as they possibly can because there is simply no way to explain the fact patterns, the reality that we’ve already seen here that does not make it seem like a huge failure of command and procedure on the ground. And to some of those folks involved what’s even more troubling, perhaps a failure of nerve. This is something that we don’t often talk about.

This is something that, you know, we just assume because we have such an incredible military and such an incredible law enforcement apparatus in this country, so many people that work in law enforcement who will lay their lives down for their community, for their country in a moment’s notice, that that is the case everywhere and with everyone. It is not, though, the case. There are always individual instances of people who may freeze in the moment, who may lose their nerve.

And there is still reporting, for an example, for anybody — and I know some people, they almost take it personally when you say — even if they’re not members of law enforcement — that some individuals from law enforcement may have suffered from a moment (or longer than that) of cowardice here. That is possible. Some people take it very personally who had nothing to do with this, of course. They just seem to get very upset at the notion.

It deeply disturbs them to think that there could be cowardice amongst some members of law enforcement, the same way when I was with the NYPD, Clay, they had a term “perps in uniform” which is what cops would disparagingly refer to cops who actually break the law in serious ways as, and they say we hate those guys more than anybody because they make our lives miserable. Internal affairs comes down on everybody. They make the job harder for the 99% of officers who are doing everything the right way.

So, you know, we’re speaking about the less than 1% here in the possibility of the degree of failure we saw in the Uvalde response from law enforcement. There is still reporting — I have not seen it retracted — that there was a girl who shouted out — this is one of these things you read and it’s just haunting — who called out to police outside the window when they called in and then she was immediately executed by this mass murdering psychopath. That was after police had already gotten into the hallway, already in the building.

CLAY: Received multiple 911 calls from inside; so they knew there were survivors.

BUCK: They knew there were survivors in there, there was a gunman. It’s simply inexcusable that these armed men who have guns, who have body armor, that they did not try a breach to stop the slaughter from going on. There is no justification for it. It’s hard for people to hear, especially I think a lot of people that believe very strongly in law enforcement, who believe — as we do.

CLAY: Yes.

BUCK: Remember, when we opened up the lines when this story first started to come together in this way, every law enforcement officer who called in said this was a massive failure, this absolutely is an unacceptable response. So, you know, we’re not — we’re not sitting here, we’re not sitting here as cheerleaders for any law enforcement action. That’s not the way we do things. And in this case, I think the lessons learned are gonna be really hard ones for people to take. And it also raises questions about, okay, you say if we just have a fast enough law enforcement response. Well, that may not be sufficient.

CLAY: They were in two minutes after he breached the school.

BUCK: How much faster can you be than that?

CLAY: It’s almost impossible to think how it could have been any faster.

BUCK: And I’m sorry. The Pulse nightclub. I talked about this I believe with you before, Clay, on the show. We talked about it off air. The Pulse nightclub shooting was very similar. There were SWAT teams on the scene very quickly, the Pulse nightclub shooting in Florida. And there was a long wait before any… He was walking around shooting people who were wounded.

And they said, “Oh, we were worried that maybe he had rigged the place with a bomb.” Okay. So, you’re gonna take that concern above the real-time executions going on of defenseless people inside that nightclub? So, you know, the policy — there has to be — the policy has to be if the active shooter is still active, you have law enforcement on the scenes, they go in and stop the threat. It can’t be, Clay, they call for negotiator in Uvalde.

CLAY: I know. I know. And they were getting calls from inside of those classrooms from teachers and students so they knew there were still people alive. And every profession is filled with imperfection. Nobody is perfect in the way that they would respond. And, frankly, we still don’t know exactly the command structure or what those officers who were arriving were being informed about what was going on there.

But if that door was unlocked and there were police within that school two minutes after, and then there were dozens of police within five, 10 minutes in that hallway, how in the world did they not go in? You’ve been trained in tactical situations, Buck. We were talking about this at dinner on Friday night. We were out… A lot of these police… I read that Uvalde police had just been through tactical training for how to respond in the event of a school shooting. To have a failure of command and response in this magnitude at this situation is just devastating to think about.

I can’t even imagine if you had had a wounded child in there and you look back at the autopsy results and you think, my goodness, maybe if I could have gotten in there within five minutes, there wouldn’t have been the loss of blood, there would have been an ability to treat some of these kids, and less kids and teachers would have been shot and maybe less would have died. I don’t know how you sleep at night if you are involved in that police response as more and more of these details come out.

BUCK: The final report, I think, will be very damning whenever it does come out, Clay, and I do believe that the bureaucracy involved will slow roll it as long as possible because it is such a gut punch, in addition to the atrocity that occurred here, that there was such an entirely insufficient response — again, BORTAC went in there, Border Patrol agents went in as soon as they heard.

CLAY: And they killed him. And credit to those guys. But why were they not in, the Uvalde police, faster? We’re big supporters of police. That doesn’t mean that police are infallible. And this situation, it increasingly looks more and more indefensible.

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Fauci’s Firehose of Disinformation

20 Jun 2022

BUCK: Welcome back to Clay and Buck.

FAUCI: What we do have is something that’s very disturbing in this country is what I refer to as the normalization of untruth. There’s so much distortion of reality and conspiracy theories that are spread widely by social media when you get totally —

BUCK: Enough of Fauci. Distortions, untruths, Fauci. That was just him a couple days ago. Very unhappy about the distortions and untruths that are out there about health issues. Here’s Fauci May 17th, 2021, almost exactly a year ago. Play it.

FAUCI: When people are vaccinated, they can feel safe that they are not gonna get infected.

BUCK: Oh. Wait. Hold on a second. When they’re vaccinated, they are “safe that they are not going to get infected.” That was a year ago. That is entirely, catastrophically, categorically untrue, Clay. Has he ever said (impression), “I’m sorry, I’m an evil little moron”? No, he has not.

CLAY: No. And worse than that, if you pointed to the data from Israel and England who were ahead of us in vaccine distributions — and you could see all of these people testing positive — you were banned for even discussing that. As recent as July of last year, President Biden was saying, “If you get the covid shot, you won’t get or spread covid and you also will not die of covid.” Now, again, all of that 100% untrue.

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Counterpunch: Men Banned from Swimming Against Women

20 Jun 2022

CLAY: A lot of you out there, as you are paying attention to the insanity that has been going on in the larger United States universe, have recognized that one of the things that you never would have thought would ever be an argument would be that men shouldn’t be able to decide they want to compete against women. And that’s because we basically create massive differentiators for competition in sports because we recognize that there are all sorts of things that make competition unfair.

For instance, kids play against other kids their own age when they are growing up. Boxers box against people who weigh around their own weight because a heavyweight boxer shouldn’t be fighting a flyweight. People who are bigger and stronger in boxing, in combat sports, shouldn’t be competing against each other. This is not controversial. But this past year what has been inevitably forecast and all the people told you it would never come to reality began to come to pass in great magnitude, which is men — biological men — decided they were identifying as women, and they would start to compete against women.

This happened in a big way in college athletics with a transgender swimmer from Penn, swam on the men’s team for several years, decides that he is a woman, begins to compete as a woman, and wins one of the women’s swimming championships at the NCAA event. That was a man who decided to call himself Lia Thomas. And so this is really the first really punchback I’ve seen against this. And I want to read some of the details here, Buck, and get your reaction.

“The world swimming governing body has effectively banned,” I’m reading from the Associated Press, “transgender athletes from compete in women events.” This happened yesterday. “Members voted” 71.5% of them, by the way “in favor of a new policy that only permits swimmers who transition before age 12 to compete in women’s events,” and so this situation that just happened in the NCAA in theory, under this guideline, would not be able to happen. Now, this is a 24-page policy analyzing all of this.

Here’s the challenge, Buck, and this is why while this is the right result, I’m actually troubled by this exemption that they put in, which is if you begin to transition before the age of 12, then you would still be eligible to compete as a woman. My concern is, this is going to be used as evidence of those in the transgender community that children being given puberty blockers, transitioning, all of those things should be encouraged to happen. So how do you assess this? On the one hand, yes, biological men shouldn’t be able to compete against women. The downside here, though, is they’ve left open a loophole — an exemption, as it were for people who transition or begin to transition before puberty, before the age of 12.

BUCK: Well, one thing I think will be fascinating to watch this play out is who that transitions before the age of 12 is going to want to without the benefit of —

CLAY: Yes.

BUCK: — all of those years of testosterone therapy, because really what are we talking about? “Biological men,” also known as men, swimming against women. Okay? So who is going to say, “Well, I essentially was chemically castrated at a very young age — you know, at age 10 or 11, whatever it may be”?

CLAY: Which we both agree, by the way, is child abuse, and shouldn’t be happening at all.

BUCK: And it’s interesting all these people say, “Well, look at this practitioner or that practitioner.” I’m pretty sure what we’ve seen in the last two years is that blue check MDs on Twitter — who have lots and lots of Ukraine flags and vaccine needles and mask emojis on their profiles — are not to be trusted on matters of policy or judgment and certainly not with your kids. So I wonder if this is even… Effectively, you won’t see the same kind of dominance —

CLAY: It may not even arise as an issue —

BUCK: That’s right.

CLAY: — under these auspices.

BUCK: Because it’s about what’s fair, and so if you don’t have the biological advantage as Lia Thomas, for example, has roughly 10 years of testosterone therapy, natural testosterone therapy that has changed muscle, bone structure, heart size, all that. This is science.

CLAY: Six foot four as well.

BUCK: #Science, okay? So that’s reality. What we’ve seen is the Democrat Party now wholesale embrace this standard of… We used to be a society where we would say, “Is that male genitalia or female genitalia?” And you and I and everyone listening would say, pretty sure we can tell the difference. When you ask, though, when you pose that question of a Democrat now, the answer always must be, it depends. It depends. Not sure we could… This is what they say about babies, Clay. Remember they say…

CLAY: They think doctors get it wrong sometimes when babies are born and they say, “it’s a boy” or “it’s a girl.” They are forcing people to abandon their own most basic objective reality and sensibility in favor of a political fad and fashion right now. And that is what is happening all over the country. It’s happening in the schools. It’s happening in the boardrooms and everywhere else. They’re demanding this of people.

And it all started… You know, years ago it was, “Oh, let’s just be courteous to each other. Let’s be civilized to everybody,” with which conservatives completely agree, right? You treat human beings with dignity, decency, and kindness irrespective of whatever the gender spectrum issues or whatever it may be. But somehow that transitioned — pardon the phrase — in the last 10 years to now when you see a six-foot-four guy dominating NCAA female swimming, you better clap and cheer or else you’re a bigot.

CLAY: Yeah.

BUCK: So we’ve gone all the way. Now it’s doctors don’t know if a baby’s male or female. They’re just making an educated guess.

CLAY: A guess. This is crazy.

BUCK: That is what they say, by the way.

CLAY: I know. I know.

BUCK: That’s not an exaggeration. I know you know this, but for everyone listening, I’m not joking. That’s not a joke.

CLAY: This is what trans activists say. They say doctors get it wrong and they’re basically guessing when a baby is born, and they say what the gender is.

BUCK: I insist on my right as a person — as a sentient being, as a rationale human being, I insist on my ability — to say, “I can tell the difference between male and female genitalia.” I can tell you the difference between a man and a woman. They can argue with me as much as they want, but see, they want you to concede. I am always, Clay… I’ve been fascinated by the history of totalitarian regimes of the last hundred years.

And it’s the more aggressive lies that they want you to accept, ’cause if something is a close call, is a judgment call — if there are things on both sides you could sort of see — that doesn’t break your spirit. That doesn’t make give in your rational faculties and say, “Fine, I’ll just do anything.” The whole point is to get you to affirm that which you know to be untrue because they degrade you in the process.

They degrade your ability to make your own judgments on other things too. And that’s part of why this is so important to the Democrats — to the left — in this moment in time. They seek to remake and break society, and one of the ways they do it is by telling you, “You fundamentally cannot tell the difference between a man and a woman. You can’t do it,” and they’re wrong, and that’s a lie.

Ad that’s why on the swimming issue, finally one organization is saying, “Look, if you’ve been a man until last year, you have a physical advantage because of reality.” I’m sorry if that hurts some people’s feelings, and it’s amazing to see the left wing freak out about this and act like we don’t see what reality is. But, Clay, what do you think the crossover is when people say, “It’s so bigoted not to let Lia Thomas swim against women”? Under these rules, the crossover between that and people who are gonna be so excited if they have children to get their 2-year-old not one, not two, but I think it’s a three-dose vax now.

CLAY: That’s right, three doses. A huge overlap. And that’s also intriguing and fascinating to me, Buck, about this entire story is there’s almost no one — almost no one — out there who is involved in the world of sports at all that will argue in favor of this. They either pretend the story doesn’t exist or they say something like, “Well, that’s for the governing body to decide.” No one will say even the far left-wing — and you know now how far left wing the sports universe is.

There’s nobody out there who’s a strong advocate for this, and here’s another one that I saw. Did you see Hillary Clinton came out and got asked about — and we think Hillary, even though she’s saying she won’t run, Hillary is doing a lot of things that would suggest she might be interested in running. She did an interview with the Financial Times, and this was the quote she was asked. Democrats “seem to be going out of their way to lose elections by elevating activist causes, notably the transgender debate, which are relevant only to a small minority. …

“What sense does it make to depict J.K. Rowling,” of course, the Harry Potter author, “as a fascist?” That’s the question she got asked, and she said, “We are standing on the precipice of losing our democracy,” And she basically said, we don’t need to be focusing on transgender-related issues in the Democrat Party. Even Hillary Clinton — which, by the way, the trans community is not happy about this answer.

But Hillary is saying something that the vast majority of the American population agrees with, and most Democrats won’t even go there, right? Most Democrats Joe Biden certainly does. I would love… I know Peter Doocy listens to this show. I would love whenever Joe Biden is in front of the media again for Peter Doocy to say — ’cause this story is out there — do you believe that biological men should be able to compete against women like what happened with the Penn transgender swimmer, or do you think this governing body got it right? Joe Biden one billion percent… He’s 78 years old. He’s a sports fan. He’s not in favor of guys being able to identify as women and compete against them. What would he say in response to that question, though? How handcuffed by the transgender community is he?

BUCK: He’ll do the good old Joe by the fireplace grandpa routine that, unfortunately, idiots still fall for somehow. (impression) “It’s not about that. It’s about middle class and, you know, it’s about, you know, decency, common decency.” He won’t give an actual answer. He will retreat as he always does to platitudes for the idiotic, and that is this guy’s entire political career effectively.

But he certainly won’t say what everybody knows, which is that this is absurd and this is outrageous. One thing that I thought about recently, Clay, is, in this transgender sports thing, they used to play the game of, “Why are Republicans so focused on this? Why do you even care so much?” which is always… That’s when they know their argument is bad; they don’t want the American people paying attention. That’s always a tell. “Why are you…?”

CLAY: It’s a “distraction,” yeah. That’s all they say, yeah.

BUCK: This is a huge movement folks. We all see it. They want to drag your kids through this agenda in school as well too. But as all this is going on, I used to think, “You know what needs to happen? The only way this comes apart is if you were to have somebody who is, let’s say, a male basketball player —

CLAY: LeBron James deciding to play in the WNBA would be amazing.

BUCK: Six foot eight to seven feet tall, 40-inch vertical, whatever, right? Just one of these guys who are physical phenomena and have them play on the WNBA and score a hundred points a game. This is the kind of the joke that Dave Chappelle made that got him into trouble, that LeBron James would score 800 points a game.

But you see now what the Democrat media would do if that happened is stand and clap and say, “It is stunning and brave that LeBrona James,” in this example, “is scoring 130 points a game. This is what it means to be a good person in America today.” They would actually do it. They would mouth the preferred slogans like the little marionettes of the apparatus that they are.

CLAY: I also wonder how long could LeBron James play in the WNBA, until he’s 65? Think about how big and strong and fast he would be even identifying as a woman. And, by the way, some of you out there who are esteemed, brilliant scholars of I think late nineties, early nineties movies may remember, this was the plot of a Damon Wayans film, Juwanna Mann. Do you remember Juwanna Mann, Buck, at all?

BUCK: Yeah.

CLAY: It’s an esteemed member of the canon.

BUCK: I don’t think the Rotten Tomatoes were very high on that one.

CLAY: Yes, but the concept is — and it was played for laughs — an NBA star gets banned from playing in the league and so decides to become a woman and disguise himself, and it was played for laughs then. Now, I guess Juwanna Mann would be a heroic film about the struggles of a man inside of a woman’s body — or vice-versa, whatever the heck it is.

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Covid “Vaccine” Approved for Kids with Statistically Zero Risk

20 Jun 2022

BUCK: Here’s this covid vaccine approval for young children and the Democrats are — some of them, there’s a subset of Democrats that are — very excited about this. And what this is showing — and this is really troubling — is that the Democrat mind-set for a lot of parents has turned into, “Anything that I can do that makes it seems like I care the most about protecting my kid from covid is inherently justified.”

Clay, I know you had this New York Times piece. You pulled some quotes from it from over the weekend. What is it now, the rate of…? It’s children under 5, vaccines for children 6 months of age up to 5 years old. Rochelle Walensky of the CDC has signed off on this, and there are parents who are singing hosannas, singing praises — they couldn’t be happier about it — and saying some pretty crazy things.

CLAY: Yeah, and I want to read those parents. It appears about 20% of parents are eager to get these covid shots for their kids who are 6 months to 5 years old, and I think these people are crazy — and, by the way, I want to open up phone lines because I want to give people an opportunity to share. I don’t want names, obviously, but other parents and maybe family members and what they have done with young kids during covid, 800-282-2882. Just parents. That’s who I want to hear from.

Because I was reading these quotes from the Sunday New York Times yesterday morning as I was flying back from New York City, and some of these parents I feel so bad for their kids based on their inability to analyze risk. And here’s one: “In Alexandria, Va., Erin Schmidt, 37, said the news was ‘life-changing’ because her family has been living in a ‘sort of alternate isolated reality.’ After vaccinating her 2-year-old daughter, Sophia, she plans to pop open a bottle of champagne, take Sophia to a museum and ‘blow her mind about the world.’”

She has been living basically in a home prison with her 2-year-old who had statistically almost zero risk, and she’s so convinced that this covid shot which, by the way, offers very limited protection in her kid — 75% of kids have already had covid. Here’s another guy. Brendan Kennealy of Richfield, Minnesota, has a 4-year-old and a 1-year-old. He says he and his wife are finally going to take their daughters out to restaurants and attend an outdoor concert. The family has canceled tripped to the state fair, canceled swim lessons, and given up gymnastics for their young kids because of covid.

And so, Buck, when I get so angry when I read quotes like these, it’s one thing if you’re an adult and you are making choices to self-isolate yourself. But these people took their kids out of swim lessons because of covid. Your kids are far more likely to drown than they are to die with covid. So the inability… You’re not taking your kids out to a restaurant? You’re not letting them visit parents?

I feel like there is an epidemic of kid restrictions and basic home prisons in many ways that have been going on for two years. And I can’t believe that anybody made this decision with young kids based on the data. But I know our callers are probably gonna have a lot of people telling the story, and it appears to be about 20% of parents have completely lost their mind over covid fears.

BUCK: Covid mania and belief in the Democrat apparatus, there’s a straight line between these two things, right? The more likely you are to think that January 6th was an insurrection, to think that gender is entirely malleable — go down the list. Put six Ukraine flags up. So many of these people that were putting all the Ukraine flags up seem to have forgotten the war is still very much going on.

CLAY: They’re only good, Buck… We talked about this. They can handle it for about a month of caring about Ukraine and now they’re totally done.

BUCK: They got tired of running around acting like the heroes of the Ukraine resistance by putting up an emoji. But all of that is there’s a direct correlation between that and being somebody who is essentially a covid lunatic, and there are a lot of them. I live around them in New York so I see this all the time. People still have this belief in the mask. They still have belief in the double mask. They still think that the vaccines work really well.

And this is also why with someone like Dr. Fauci… I don’t think that Dr. Fauci is “wrong on the science” and that’s it. I think he’s wrong on the science and he’s a cowardly, bad person because he has to know. He has to be aware of what’s going on and specifically in this case the abuse, the child abuse that is an epidemic among left-leaning, NPR-listening, MSNBC-watching, New York Times subscribers.

And instead of saying, “Hey, libs, stop being crazy with Little Petey and Little Sally and not letting them do gymnastics or go to restaurants. Their odds of getting hospitalized or dying from covid are similar to their odds of being struck by lightning — and that is not an exaggeration, okay? They need to stop being crazy and top stop abusing your kid,” Fauci has said nothing like that. Rochelle Walensky is celebrating this, is acting like…

This is the problem: They are feeding into this delusion, they’re feeding into this neurosis, they’re giving the neurosis a stamp of approval from the CDC, the CDC which is so incompetent and so just bizarre that as of last week they were giving people advice about how to satiate their sexual desires when they have monkeypox without giving other people monkeypox. And there were cartoons and everything. And I can’t describe it on the air, but I gotta tell you, rule one of libido when you have monkeypox is let the monkeypox pass. It’s crazy. By the way, that was completely real. The CDC put out an advisory —

CLAY: I saw that.

BUCK: — on how to protect yourself while you have monkeypox but also “getting stuff done.”

CLAY: Buck, 75% of kids have already had covid. Many of parents never even knew their kids had covid. I’m reading from the New York Times story about these kids now being able to get the vaccine. It ain’t a vaccine, people. The vaccine, according to the New York Times, causes fevers in one in five kids. That’s the Moderna vaccine. Your kid had covid, and you probably didn’t even know it, and now you’re going to give them a covid shot when one in five of them is going to get a fever from the shot? I honestly feel so angry that people putting their kids through this. And you know as well as I do, Buck, that tomorrow when these shots start rolling out, all these crazy blue check lunatics are gonna be posting videos crying of their 2-year-old.

BUCK: They’re crying with joy.

CLAY: Yes, crying with joy over the fact that they now can give their covid shot to a 2-year-old so they can go is to restaurants again or visit with family members.

BUCK: We are in the midst of the most massive denial wave I’ve ever experienced in my lifetime about what’s really going on in the country from people who think they’re really smart who think they have good judgment and who think they’re the good people. And in fact, they’re the cause of — and their ideas, I should say, are the cause of — all of these problems, effectively. And it’s not just we’re arguing for who’s more compelling at this point. They were wrong.

CLAY: Yes.

BUCK: The facts show they were wrong. All these people who thought, “I’m just gonna mask up and I’ll be safe and I’ll get four shots, I’ll get five shots, and we’ll all be safe,” they were wrong. They have a neurotic disposition, and they have a neurological mental health disorder right now, and they need to get help. They need to actually get treated for it. But instead of facing the fact that there are a lot of… I mean, the parents you’re reading quotes from there who have locked their kids away for two years, they have engaged in child abuse.

CLAY: Yes.

BUCK: And their children may never be developmentally normal. That’s a very hard thing for parents to own up to. They’d rather just live in the fantasy that Fauci was right.

CLAY: Which is why I’m so furious about it, because it’s one thing if you make poor choices and it only impacts your life. If you’re an adult and you were convinced that everybody is gonna die of covid and you decided you were gonna limit your social activity and interaction, I think you’re an imbecile, but at least it’s just you that you are impacting.

When you’re not letting a 2-year-old go to a playground or interact with other children because you are convinced that covid is too dangerous to them, you have — to your point, Buck — developmentally disabled your child for a lifetime to protect them from a virus that they had zero statistical danger from. I’m curious how many people have friends or family members who have made these choices.

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The Baby Formula Shortage Has Gotten Worse

20 Jun 2022

BUCK: Welcome back to Clay and Buck show.

BUCK: There you’re just hearing a mom up in — what was it? — in Indianapolis saying that she can’t find formula. Allergies for babies or something that make the baby formula crisis even more acute and more immediate, and it turns out… This is from the Washington Post. This is not the opposition taking swings at the administration. This is actually Regime Media. The in-stock rate for powdered baby formula was 76% for the weekend in June 12th. That’s down from 79% in early May.

So, it turns out that the baby formula shortage right now, for anyone who’s wondering, is by the numbers, according to the Washington Post, worse than it was last month. So, for anyone who thinks, “Oh, there was that video that showed the planes arriving and Biden’s on it,” yeah, not even close to solving this problem. And even the Post, the Washington Post, says at the bottom of this editorial board piece…

It’s not by one individual. This is by the collective editorial board. “There’s blame to go around in this crisis. Abbott’s Michigan factory was not up to standards. The FDA failed to respond to red flags in a timely manner, and the FDA and White House should have intervened sooner.” Even Regime Media is saying this is a crisis. So, on the one hand, you have the continued concern — of course — about the baby formula shortage, and the Biden administration is asleep — at best asleep — at the wheel.

That’s the most charitable way you can put it.

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Biden Bicycle Bungle as Journos Urge Him to Tell Better Lies

20 Jun 2022

BUCK: I’ve never had an infant yet, but my understanding is that sometimes babies can only have formula for certain reasons. And that’s still happening right now. All that’s going on, and you still have the focus on the transgender agenda and a whole range of other issues that people are saying, “We’re getting into election high season here, folks. They’ve gotta be kidding.” And now you’re seeing, Clay, people like Margaret Brennan over at CBS — some of the ultra-establishment journos — are starting to say, “Hey, Biden team, you guys have to come up with better lies because we can’t help you if you’re this incompetent.”

Play clip 4. Here’s CBS over the weekend with one of the Biden economic advisers.

BUCK: They got nothing, Clay.

CLAY: Yeah, and I think what has happened… You mentioned Biden falling on Saturday morning at Rehoboth Beach in Delaware. I’m sure most of you have seen that video, although compared to Trump walking down a platform I think at West Point and the raising of the glass that turned into such a monster storyline, there hasn’t been as much discussion in the left-wing media of Biden falling off his bike.

But to me that was a really significant moment because when you have in the public’s mind the idea that you are incompetent and that you are aging… They put him on a bike in the first place so that they can counter the idea that this is an aged man who is not physically competent. So they put him on a bike. I don’t know why they let him ride around on a bike, it seems dangerous in and of itself, but they dress him all up in his athletic gear and he even had biking gloves on (laughing) even though he’s going really slow. That’s a super expensive bike, evidently.

And the way that he fell, we have a great guy who does tremendous work analyzing sports injuries for us, Dr. David Chao, who used to be the team physician for the Chargers back in the day. And he wrote a piece at OutKick, Buck. He said Joe Biden was very lucky he didn’t break his hip the way he fell, the angle in which that he hit the ground. And I know Biden popped back up. But there are those still-image photographs of Biden, incompetent, looking decrepit, laying on the ground.

And I don’t think you can come back from those kind of clips because it just provides further evidence of what most Americans already believe, which is Joe Biden is too old for this job. And I think it ties in with the questions that you’re seeing suddenly emerge aggressively on CBS and CNN and NBC and all these places that would otherwise typically be providing cover for this administration.

They’ve turned on Joe Biden, and the goal — even though Biden wants to run again — is to make it impossible for him to run again in 2024. And I believe when we see this Red Wave or this Red Tsunami, it’s going to be increasing difficult for Biden to wait. They say he wants to wait ’til like March of ’23 to announce his official run. I don’t know that that’s going to be possible.

BUCK: And back to the narrative that they’re trying to formulate of why you should think this administration’s doing well, I think there is a little bit of pushback now from, as I said, the establishment journos, the Democrat apparatus propaganda pushers, and that means people that are supposed to be covering the White House asking tough questions. Think about the kinds of tough questions, if you wanted to… We sit here and we’re doing like Peter Doocy highlight reels from just being able to ask real questions, ask real questions in the White House. You had Brennan asking, “How is raising taxes going to help with the price of milk?”

CLAY: Fantastic question.

BUCK: The obvious answer is it’s not and only an idiot would think otherwise so why are they even talking about that. But it’s like the talking points, it’s mechanical for Democrats. They don’t know what else to say. But Janet Yellen, to our point about how you’re always supposed to be able to point to some people in the administration of the opposing party and say, ‘At least that guy, that gal is really competent.” You would think the Treasury secretary in a moment like this — you’d hope — that would be the case.

Here is Janet Yellen, lady who was pushing forward transitory inflation, what she said on ABC News, again, regime media, over the weekend. Play clip 5.

BUCK: Clay, the economy contracted last quarter.

CLAY: Yes.

BUCK: How is she saying it’s “growing at a rapid rate”?

CLAY: She’s lying, and I believe — and I think you’re with me, Buck — I would, at this point, be very surprised if we’re not in a recession at this exact moment. And for reminders out there you are in a recession when you have two consecutive quarters of declining GDP. The first quarter was down, I believe, 1.5% and the latest forecast that they are now putting out there is that we are gonna have a complete flat second quarter in terms of growth, basically right at 0%, to avoid having to report the fact that we’re going to be in a recession.

And lots of times — you know this and a lot of our listeners do as well — you are in a recession before the data confirms that you’re in a recession. And I think that’s where we are right now because April, May, we’ve almost finished June. I would be surprised if we had positive GDP growth. When those second quarter numbers come out, I think they are going to show that we are in a recession. I was reading the Wall Street Journal yesterday. Forty-four percent of economists — now, look, economists are typically awful at telling you what’s going to happen.

BUCK: And three out of four are Democrats, by the way.

CLAY: Yeah.

BUCK: More than that, probably.

CLAY: But 44% of those economists now are saying that we’re in a recession and/or that we are going to be in a recession. So, I think we’re there; almost half of economists agree. I would be surprised gnat second quarter if we aren’t negative again and that would officially put us back into a recession.

BUCK: And yet with all of this going on, I think, Clay, one another why the January 6th — this goes back to, “What are the priorities and the principles in a sense on display from the Democrat elites, the Democrat power apparatus? What really matters to them.” It should be — if they were rational and if they were doing things intelligently to try to not just fix the economy but to help themselves in the midterms — everything to figure out the economy and just say, “Sorry, sorry,” to the left-wing radical green energy base or whatever.

“We gotta just turn things around here, folks, or else we’re gonna get annihilated.” That would be the reasonable thing for them to do. But instead, they retreat into these ideological cocoons around issues like January 6 or pushing even more the trans agenda for either kids in school or now, of course — I know you’re gonna be talking about the new swimming regulations —

CLAY: Yeah.

BUCK: — about transgender swimmers which relay will break down for us. That’s obviously something that’s getting a lot of attention from the activist community. People can’t put gas in their cars, can’t afford their groceries, can’t find baby formula, recession on the horizon, negative GDP growth last quarter. And does it sounds like… If the Democrats had a plan, you and I would know because we would be critiquing the plan.

CLAY: That’s right.

BUCK: This is right, that’s wrong. This makes sense, that’s dumb. We don’t even have a plan to critique, Clay, and we all should remember why. It’s because the plan was Build Back Better, which is now clearly so insane because of inflation that they actually don’t have a plan.

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CLAY: Biden is still out at Rehoboth Beach, Delaware, I believe. If you recall last week, he didn’t come back on Monday until 12:30 Eastern and then on Friday he left at 11 a.m., so basically not really working much on Monday or Friday. And the new buzzwords in the White House… You heard us talking about. Buck and I both believe that we are in a recession based on what the data is showing us. Nearly half of economists agree with us, 44% according to the recent numbers in the Wall Street Journal. Joe Biden wants you to know, however, that that is not the case, that an recession is not inevitable which is the new talking points. This was Biden today at the beach in Delaware.

CLAY: There’s nothing inevitable about a recession, Buck, is about the psychology of if people start to think a recession is happening, it makes a recession more likely so they’re desperately trying to convince people that it is not inevitable.

BUCK: Yeah, this is like when someone’s really agitated and you’re saying, “Just calm down, just calm down.” When someone’s really agitated, that tends not to make them calm down. When you’re shouting to them to calm down and telling us all, “The recession is not inevitable.” Remember in Old School when Will Ferrell is in the locker room toward the very end and he starts swinging the chair around, saying, “We gotta keep our composure,” all burned up and stuff? That’s pretty much the Biden White House at this point. They’re telling us to keep our composure, Clay.

CLAY: And you know and I know and everyone out there who feels the 8.6% inflation knows that we’re actually in a recession. I would be very surprised if the second quarter numbers don’t come out. But what they are desperately hoping is that consumer spending can remain confident enough that we don’t dive into a recession, so they are fighting the psychological impact as much as anything else right now as it pertains to inflation.

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Host of OutKick’s “Tomi Lahren Is Fearless” Joins C&B

20 Jun 2022

BUCK: Welcome back, everybody, Clay and Buck show is, well, back and also joined by Tomi Lahren. Tomi is launching a new show. She’s hosting Tomi Lahren Is Fearless on OutKick, out there today. I’ve known Tomi for many years. She is, indeed, fearless, and is with us now. Tomi, thanks so much.

LAHREN: Hey, thank you guys for having me. So, Buck, we still gotta get you guys to Nashville. So, I’m still waiting for that so we can all be in person together again (unintelligible). We need to make this happen.

BUCK: I’m looking forward to that. I think I’m gonna be there the whole week for the election ’cause we’re gonna have a big… The whole week will be kind of an ongoing election party. That’s our plan for right now based on what the polls are telling us — and maybe that’s a place, Tomi, where I can ask you, what’s going on with the Biden regime? I’m looking at them and I’m saying, “Is this really all you guys have got at this point, the January 6th stuff, pushing the transgender ‘affirmation care’ for prepubescent kids and Green New Deal energy stuff, wide-open border?” This can’t be all of it, but is it what we’re actually gonna be up against?

LAHREN: Well, listen, you know, Joe Biden fell off his bike the other day, and that I think is really symbolic of how things are going in our country right now. The teleprompter couldn’t ride that bike for him. The teleprompter can’t (garbled), and of course the Democrats, all they have is identity politics, wokeness, and virtue signaling. They have to focus on January 6th, they have to focus on LGBTQ, they have to focus on, still, abortion. That is all they have in the toolbox and their bench is so bizarre and so empty, that’s what they gotta focus on. They now can’t focus on the economy or the border or any of the things you just mentioned because it’s going so badly for them. So they gotta focus on the easy stuff.

CLAY: Tomi, you got a big show that’s debuting. I’m excited to have you at OutKick with us. The first show comes on tonight at 7 o’clock Eastern, 6 o’clock Central, 5 o’clock Mountain, 4 o’clock Pacific. I think I got all those time zones right.

BUCK: That was impressive.

CLAY: Yeah, I think I got ’em right. I might have screwed it up. What should people expect to see of your new show? You’re originating it here in Nashville. We’re gonna be doing more and more OutKick programming. I think they’re gonna love it. What should people expect to see tonight?

LAHREN: Well, I decided to come out of the gate with two great guests. Of course, you’ve already mentioned we have John Daly (garbled). We’ll see in the episode he has lots to say, not only about golf and the (garbled) tour and all the typical stuff, but he has a few things to say about someone that he refers to as Daddy Trump. (chuckles) And also a few things to say about Joe Biden. So, people need to tune in and see what John Daly has to say about that. And also we’ve got Enes Kanter Freedom on with me tonight as well, and (garbled) text messages between him and good old Colin Kaepernick. So, you guys will have to tune in to see what he has to say about that. So, two really great guests and I can’t wait for you guys t o watch it.

BUCK: Tomi Lahren Is Fearless, is the show, and Tomi Lahren is the host. Tomi! Everybody should check it out, and we appreciate you joining us here.

LAHREN: Thank you, guys. I’ll see you soon.

CLAY: Tomi was also at our one-year anniversary party, which was a lot of fun to see her.

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