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SCOTUS Decision on Religious Schools Is a Win for Freedom

21 Jun 2022

CLAY: We were talking during the break — as we often do, continuing the conversation — and when exactly all of the most controversial Supreme Court decisions are going to come down is a continuing topic of discussion. But they had an interesting decision that came down earlier today dealing with basically the rights of parents to be able… You may have read the case. I have not, ’cause I’m running around here with my 11-year-old.

But I knew the case was coming down, dealing with essentially the rights of religious-based schools to get the same treatment in terms of parental dollars that are being able to be applied as other private schools. It essentially is huge for people who are sending their kids to religious-based private schools in terms of the way that those are gonna be treated under state law.

And there’s not going to be a discriminatory treatment of those compared to others, and it also has the thinking still about when the decision on abortion is gonna come down, and also the gun decision — which I would say are the two biggest that are still waiting to officially be released out there at some point before the term ends at the end of June.

BUCK: I do think one of the more interesting parts of the discussion around school choice vouchers and religious schools… There are a couple things that you will hear the not very well-educated leftists shout as though it’s a great argument or even an argument for them, meaning it’s game over, checkmate. One of them is, “It’s like shouting ‘Fire!’ in a crowded theater.”

CLAY: Yeah.

BUCK: Which was the wrongly decided Schenck v. U.S. decision that said that someone handing out — a socialist handing out — anti-war pamphlets on the street before World War I was so dangerous to the aims of the country that his political speech was like shouting, “Fire!” in a crowded theater. So they always say that one and they never know the basis. The other one is, “It’s a separation of church and state!” There is no “separation of church and state” phrase in the Constitution.

It actually comes from a letter that Thomas Jefferson wrote in 1802. I think it was from the Danbury Baptists in Connecticut or something. I don’t know. It’s from a letter that Jefferson wrote, bottom line, and now we see that, in a 6-3 decision, there’s no reason for a program… If it’s an accredited school, there’s no reason why you shouldn’t be able to use the dollars you’re given to go to a school that even has religious instruction as part of it. So it’s a win for religious freedom, and I think that’s a very good thing, ’cause any wins for freedom these days will be welcomed. We need to rack up as many as we possibly can.

CLAY: No doubt.

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Broadway to Drop Insanely Dumb Mask Mandate

21 Jun 2022

BUCK: Broadway in New York City — where all the Broadway theaters are — is dropping its mask mandate July 1st. Clay, I live adjacent to a Broadway theater.

CLAY: Yeah.

BUCK: My apartment in New York is adjacent to a Broadway theater, so every day that they’re doing shows, I would see people lined up. They made people put their masks on outside to ensure compliance as they walked in.

CLAY: This is, I think, a big move. And to your point, you do live right on top of the Broadway theaters. And as we are walking by to come to your place to go dinner on Friday, my wife, who… When we were in New York City, if there were no mask mandate, we might well have looked at going to a Broadway play together, as many couples do, and families, when they go on vacation to New York City.

To me, this is a sign that overwhelming majorities of their customers are saying the mask mandate is insanely dumb. And every time one of these otherwise left-wing bastions of masking drop their masking requirement, we get back to one more semblance of normalcy. And I think this is a straight business decision. I think they were looking and saying, “We’re losing money based on having this. We’re not protecting anybody.” It’s a little bit of sanity returning in an insane world.

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After Biden Fall, Trump Pledges to Never, Ever Ride a Bicycle

21 Jun 2022

BUCK: President Trump, former President Trump, has been making the rounds, and he had a little bit of fun with the Biden bike scenario that happened here. Let’s play clip 1 for everybody, a pledge from The Donald.

PRESIDENT TRUMP: I hope he has recovered because, as you know, he fell off his bicycle today.

CROWD: (laughing)

PRESIDENT TRUMP: No, I’m serious. I hope he’s okay. Fell off a bicycle. I make this pledge to you today: I will never, ever ride a bicycle.

CROWD: (laughing)

BUCK: Fair point. And I just say, you know, I don’t know, man, I make a lot of jokes about the e-scooter because it has become — and they’re becoming far more popular in New York City than I think anybody anticipated because you can just get around. What happened is Mayor Bloomberg came in and essentially took whole lanes of road and just made them for bikes and now e-scooters. I’m not a bicycle guy, though. It’s just not my thing. I know there are some people listening who probably bike a hundred miles at a time and go into the Alps and go into the Rockies. I’ve just never been a bike guy.

CLAY: I’m not opposed to bikes. I ride them a lot down in Florida and there’s a lot of people in my neighborhood in the Nashville area who ride them everywhere. I gotta say, though, is Trump’s sense of humor totally maybe the most underrated part of his appeal? Because I feel like left wingers take everything he says so literal that they don’t even often notice the timing. Even the way he delivered that line about the biking, the pausing to say, “No, I hope he’s okay,” the filling people in, it’s almost like he’s stand-up caliber in terms of fatigue off of the audience for all the rallies that he does. Right?

BUCK: He’s a world-class entertainer and has an ability to not only connect with people, but to keep them enthralled and laughing.

CLAY: Yes.

BUCK: I think you’re right. We often talk about Trump’s secret sauce in politics was his ability to fight back at the fake news media and to punch back instead of just getting punched, politically speaking, all the time. But, yeah, man. His ability with a one-liner and to name people, the nicknames that stick? That’s a very tough thing to get around when you’re messing with somebody on the stage.

CLAY: Best nickname, Pocahontas? Do you agree with me?

BUCK: I don’t think he came up with that one, to be fair, but he did popularize it quite a bit. Low-Energy Jeb was pretty much the end for Jeb’s presidential aspirations.

CLAY: (laughing)

BUCK: I don’t know why but that one really stuck. Everyone was like, “You know what? He is kind of low energy.”

CLAY: I can’t look at Elizabeth Warren now without laughing at her thinking about the Pocahontas angle and the fact that so many in the media accepted her explanation as true. It’s crazy.

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BIDEN: Feeling great. I’m feeling great. What happened was… D-do any of you guys ride bikes? Well, they have… (sputters) Some of them have this thing you put your toe here. It restrains your foot so it doesn’t slide off the pedal? I was getting off the bike; it got stuck on the right side!

BUCK: Bicyclegate continues. We bring you all the latest facts on Joe Biden’s mild stumble that was rippling through the international media from over the weekend. Look, obviously, whatever. It’s a moment on the bike. If it wasn’t Joe Biden and it wasn’t a guy who there are real concerns about, we wouldn’t be necessarily getting into it and all that.

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Megan Rapinoe Says Your Girl’s Sports Career Doesn’t Matter

21 Jun 2022

CLAY: We wanted to make sure these quotes did not miss all of the attention that they so richly deserve. Remember when the U.S. women’s soccer team was so really likable, when they represented the United States, and they waved the United States flag and all of us gathered around? I went to —

BUCK: I watched some of the women’s championship soccer matches back in the day, you know?

CLAY: I did too. I took my family up to Canada. We had an amazing time in Vancouver, watched the U.S. women win. I actually — ’cause Fox was doing the event — went to the celebration afterwards. They were just such an incredibly likable group, and then they bought into, “Donald Trump is the worst human who has ever existed.” They refused to visit the White House. They took the lead from Megan Rapinoe, and Megan Rapinoe came out with some quotes. This is from TIME magazine.

She said, “Hey, I…” This is a real quote from somebody who is involved in athletics. “I would encourage everyone out there who is afraid someone’s going to have an unfair advantage over their kid,” by someone she means a transgender athlete, “to really take a step back and think what we’re actually talking about. We’re talking about people’s lives. I’m sorry. Your kid’s high school volleyball team just isn’t that important.”

Well, hold on a minute, Megan Rapinoe. You’re telling me that if some dude decides that he wanted to compete who is six-foot-five, that he wants to identify as a woman — and that my high school-athlete daughter who spent her entire life working alongside of her teammates to play — that I should just get over it and I shouldn’t care? We’re gonna tee off on that.

BUCK: We’re gonna come back to this. We’re not done.

CLAY: We are gonna tee off on this, because I think Megan Rapinoe is an absolute imbecile for this argument. Get your popcorn.

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CLAY: We agree here on Megan Rapinoe, which I just want to reemphasize, as we went to break, I saw these quotes in her TIME interview, and my head almost exploded. So let me hit you guys again. “We’re talking about people’s lives. I’m sorry. Your kids’ high school volleyball team isn’t that important,” and so she is saying that transgender athletes should be able to compete based on the gender they put out there.

Let me give you this example, Buck. You may not know this. The U.S. women’s team got beaten by a group of 15-year-old all-star boys soccer players in the state of Texas. This is the women’s World Cup-winning team; they got dominated by 15-year-old all-star boys. If men decided to play women’s soccer, they would take Megan Rapinoe’s spot in a heartbeat and there would be no women’s soccer players, period.

BUCK: Her argument is garbage on many, many levels. To your point obviously, the difference between male and female athletes is so pronounced that essentially a good high school male athlete will often outcompete top D1 female athletes —

CLAY: No doubt.

BUCK: — depending on the sort and even up to what would be a professional level. It depends. You have to line these up a little bit, but I would add to this, because we all know that the argument here is pushed by people who think this is an opportunity for virtue signaling and for self-aggrandizement. She’s basically done. Her career in sports is almost over so for her to sneer at people.

I mean, heaven forbid, but there’s another Megan Rapinoe out there somewhere who wants to be the best in her state in track and field, wants to be the best in her state as a striker on a soccer team and you’re gonna sneer at somebody who wants fair competition? I mean, what about if we just said, “You know what? Yeah, let’s just let high school male athletes take steroids. What’s the big deal? It’s just high school athletics! So some people want a little extra edge. Why do you want to stop them?”

Ah, but they say this is all about actualization, self-actualization; this is all about the identity of these individuals. Why is it so important for trans athletes to play on women’s teams? It’s just women’s high school athletics! Why does it matter so much? She says people’s lives are at stake? What, someone’s going to engage in self-harm if they’re trans is they can’t play on the women’s field hockey team? That’s a whole other conversation to be had, isn’t it? So she sneers and her argument doesn’t even make sense.

CLAY: Well, and somebody should have fired back at her because, okay, when does sports start mattering? Does the World Cup for women matter? And if she says, “Yes,” say, “Okay, what if Christian Pulisic decided tomorrow…?” For those of you who do not follow men’s soccer, Pulisic is one of the best players in American men’s soccer history. He’s a young guy who’s going to maybe be the best ever. What if he just decided that he was gonna be Christiana Pulisic and he wanted to play women’s so your because he had decided that he was transgender?

Well, he would be immediately the greatest women’s soccer player of all time, and there wouldn’t be a close second. Does Megan Rapinoe think that Christian Pulisic deciding to change his name to Christina and identify as a woman should be able to play in the women’s World Cup? If not, isn’t she not embracing her own version? And for whatever level… You know this, Buck. You coached high school soccer. To say sports don’t matter? A lot of kids put a tremendous amount of effort and intensity into trying to win a state championship in soccer —

BUCK: Oh, absolutely.

CLAY: — trying to win a district, trying to win a region.

BUCK: My kids that I coached got to the semifinals of the New York City archdiocese and championship which, at that time, that’s a big deal. New York City’s the largest city in the country. It’s a huge league. There are a lot of different teams. And, by the way, for those kids… Again, for her, for Rapinoe to sneer at other girls trying to make their way? Oh, that D1 scholarship they may get to volleyball, it’s all a big joke now? That doesn’t matter? We don’t elevate these female athletes? We don’t understand that what they do is important? Not as important as the trans agenda, apparently.

CLAY: Yeah, that’s right.

BUCK: That’s what she’s saying, and honestly, it’s just gross. Her whole approach to this shows such a lack of appreciation for, one, what she was able to… The fact we’re sitting here now in the biggest radio show in the country talking about this person who obviously doesn’t have a grasp of politics in any meaningful way, and it shows that she is ungrateful and just brainwashed some of these other people who come forward and say, “Yeah, who cares about the girls who have to change in the locker room with these guys? You know who cares?” Everybody listening to this radio show. That’s who cares. America cares.

CLAY: And I care about all of the teams that are working right now in the summer sweating together, trying to put together the best possible team that they can. Everybody who’s listening to us out there right now either has a kid or has been on a team that put as much effort as they could into winning. And I think your point’s a good one, Buck. She’s 36 now, and suddenly she doesn’t need sports because her career is coming to a close.

So given the choice between women’s athletics or the trans agenda, she is repudiating women’s athletics, which is why she has a platform at all, and saying, “Oh, sports really don’t matter,” and pivoting and trying to become a political person. Well, that’s fine, but she’s completely rejecting everything that she stood for as an athlete. I guarantee you if some dude wanted to play and took Megan Rapinoe’s spot when she was growing up on high school or playing on a travel team, it may have well impacted her ability to have success as an adult in that field. And even if it didn’t, we play sports to teach the lessons of sports, not because most of us are going to go pro. I think what she said is disgraceful for anybody who cares about athletics.

BUCK: Imagine we allowed… You know, I played in high school with a kid who was much better than me, but he did Olympic development growing up and went on to get a four-year full ride for soccer, right? He was my co-captain. He was my Clay Travis.

CLAY: Yeah.

BUCK: And I just think, imagine if when he was on his junior Olympic development team — I think he was maybe 14/15 years old — they said, “We’re just gonna allow a pro from the best soccer league in the world in Europe play. Whether it’s Serie A or the Premier League, we’re gonna put him on the team and he’s just gonna crush everybody,” and they said, “Hey, that’s not fair,” and they said, “Shut up! Your 14-year-old team isn’t important. This guy wants to play at this level and it’s more important that his emotions are placated than these kids who are 14 and 15 and actually have any respect for the effort that they’ve put into this.” That’s basically what or a talking about here with Rapinoe.

CLAY: That’s a hundred percent right, Buck. And you well know there are lots of 14- and 15- and 16-year-old boys who haven’t put together what life needs for them to be successful as they get older, but they’re gonna stay eligible at school because they can play on a sports team. This is why I fought so hard with everything I had for sports to continue during covid, because sports keeps a lot of kids, especially young boys, out of trouble.

And so when you’re telling them, “Hey, this thing that you care about the most that’s keeping you on the straight-and-narrow, that’s teaching you the importance of being able to compete, and that at some point you may give you an opportunity for an education, it doesn’t matter”? Shame on Megan Rapinoe. I just find her to be utterly unlikable, but also not very smart in her logic. She has gone so far left-wing that she doesn’t even use her brain at all.

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You Won’t Believe this Navy Training Video on Pronoun Usage

21 Jun 2022

BUCK: We often talk about sanity versus insanity, reality versus delusion. I think those are some of the fundamental challenges that we’re trying to tackle day in and day out, which is just separate not only fact from fiction, but just bizarre from, “Wait a second. I thought we all kind of understood some of the same things here. I thought we could operate from the same baseline foundational understanding of what we’re trying to achieve in this country.”

And perhaps even more to the point, what’s up, what’s down, what’s left, what’s right, what does 2 + 2 equal? And we are being forced increasingly by the Democrat left, by the cultural apparatus that we have, by the control of institutions, right? And remember, institutional control does not necessarily reflect sentiment within the institutions. So, all Disney employees, for example, do not share — and I’d be willing to bet probably less than half of them share the idea that there must be a dramatic increase in LGBTQIA. By the way, I believe that’s the full acronym.

CLAY: Every letter is where this is headed, Buck.

BUCK: I don’t want to leave one out, Clay.

CLAY: I know.

BUCK: To leave one out would be, you know, this is a high crime these days, to leave one of the letters out. And there may be a new letter added tomorrow, and if it is, Clay, I will make sure that I add this letter. This the longest acronym I’ve ever heard of. Put that aside for a second. People at Disney, people at these companies they don’t necessarily reflect at the very top what the sentiments of the individuals are in this far left, especially on the far left trans agenda stuff. And I’m talking to you about this right now because sometimes, Clay, and I have to…

We share something and we’re talking. We’re sharing stuff at night with the team. We’re waking up in the morning, this show… People ask what our show prep is and our show prep is we’re awake and we’re thinking and talking about the show, basically. And there’s this Navy pronoun education video that is making the rounds right now on social media. And I said, “Wait. Is this real? This is the United States Navy?”

We’ve had naval aviators on the show. Top Gun is a naval aviator program, for example. We’ve talked about my grandfather. He served on the USS Bataan in World War II in the Pacific. Our Navy is amazing, the envy of the world, the most powerful naval force in the history of the planet. And yet here is the Navy’s new instructional video on proper pronoun usage. Play clip 4.

BUCK: Clay —

CLAY: Makes me sick.

BUCK: Come on, man. Come on.

CLAY: We’re gonna get our ass kicked at some point, and when we get our ass kicked — and I don’t know when it’s gonna be, when we get our ass kicked everybody’s gonna turn around and say, instead of developing the biggest collection of ass kickers in American modern history, we were worried about developing the biggest collection of ass kissers in American history where all we do is sit around worrying about whether we’re going to offend people or not. Here is the hard-core reality.

You know this better than I do for sure, Buck, and there are many people who know it far better than both of us. When your life is in danger, you want the baddest ass on the planet helping to protect your lives. When your country’s future is at stake, you want the toughest dudes or the toughest girls that are available out there to be able to bring down the thunder. And when I sit around and I look at all this ridiculous showmanship — ’cause that’s really what it is, right?

When you look at all of the external, doesn’t impact the creation of the greatest fighting force on the planet, we are just wasting time, and we are enabling our enemies. China and Russia and Iran, they aren’t sitting around doing inclusive pronoun videos to encourage all of their people in the armed forces to think about avoiding saying, “Hey, guys” and say, “Hey, team” instead. All of this is misplaced priorities that is going to lead at some point — and I hope it’s not anytime soon.

But at some point, to us getting whipped because we aren’t developing the meanest, baddest fighting force on the planet when we are focusing on issues like these. We just aren’t. And you can say, “Well, the military needs to be a kinder, gentler place.” I would dispute that. I would say that the military needs to be razor’s edge tough and I don’t believe that behavior like this is creating more toughness in our military.

And I bet there’s almost not a single person listening to us right now who believes that.. Unfortunately, Buck, I guarantee you a lot of people in the Armed Services who are listening to us right now are rolling their eyes over this because they see it as clearly a way to deconstruct the elements of toughness and forcefulness that should be the hallmarks of a successful fighting force.

BUCK: It’s also not true. I mean, everything that you said is true. This notion — and of course I agree, the combat veterans and active-duty military listening to this show, I know a lot of them, right? I’ve slept in the same barracks with some of these folks overseas. And, you know, they’re rolling their eyes at this. They’re saying you’ve gotta be kidding. This is what I mean, though, when I started talking about the top.

The H.R. department and the C suite is not represented. This is what the left figured out. This is one of… I’ll say it: This is one of their strokes of tactical genius in the cultural wars. You don’t need to convince everybody. Just have the people that have the power to hire and fire, that are signing the paychecks and who want to be invited to the fancy cocktail parties so H.R. department all the way to C suite agree with the far left, and then that’s what the institutional powers used to do.

But that’s why you have the Navy here saying all this, doing this whole pronoun indoctrination stuff and how it’s about acceptance and respect. No. Pronouns are about whether you’re addressing a person who is male or female. There is not this… The demand in society now for the make-believe pronouns or even worse in so many cases, the plural pronouns. I saw this with Jennifer Lopez. She now has a daughter who has come out nonbinary I believe — nonbinary or trans, I can’t keep it all straight; no one can — and they’re being referred to… Sorry. The media is referring to this individual as “they.” When I read the news story, I go, “Wait, they? No.” Even the New York Times admits “they” is for plural, okay?

CLAY: Yes.

BUCK: We’re not changing all of our language because some people have an emotional need to dictate the speech of others.

CLAY: I don’t get to choose my adjectives. Imagine how cocky of that it would be if, Buck, I came on and I said, every time you refer to me I demand you say the incredibly handsome and the incredibly brilliant Clay Travis. There’s all of you people out there —

BUCK: Maybe we do refer to you that way, Clay.

CLAY: There’s lots of people out there that would like to use adjectives that are nowhere near as kind as those or as beneficial. And, by the way, you can read the comments on any Clay and Buck Boston and you can find the opposite. But you don’t get to dictate to other people how they describe you. That isn’t a part of American discourse. And so, what we’ve got here is, to use a ancient military analogy, this is the Trojan horse.

Our military is being destroyed from within by these kooks who are bringing in this diversity and inclusion language. And what they are doing is just like with the Trojan horse, for those of you who are fans of ancient military history, is being brought inside and then it is being unfurled, all of the things that are hidden — and, by the way, this is not just a military analogy. I think this is happening to many institutions across our country.

They bring in these diversity and inclusion people hidden inside the Trojan horse, right, and then when it takes over the interior of the company, everybody looks around and said, how did this happen? Well, you let them inside your doors, you brought them inside the gates of the fortress, and now they are going to run roughshod over all of your protocols because this is what they do. They attack, they are locusts you discussed, they watch and they destroy from the inside once you allow them to do so.

BUCK: And it always starts with, oh, it’s just about acceptance and being inclusive. That’s the way, to your analogy of the Trojan horse, that’s the way that they get it into the walls of ancient Troy. That’s the way the Greeks trick everybody, so to speak, because then it turns into, “Hold on a second. I’m sorry. Colonel, I know we’re in a combat zone, but you just said, ‘You men are gonna come under fire; I need you to be prepared.’ Can we not use the…”

Yes, every single Marine in the room right now is in fact a male and a hard-charging, door-kicking, you know, butt kicker, but can you not use the male pronoun? That’s what happens here, okay? You have one-offs, you have individuals who are in this extreme, fringe minority who are gonna make demands of everybody, which will be a distraction, which will hurt esprit de corps and there are penalties for this too for anybody who thinks this is an exaggeration look at what they’ve done in the school districts now.

“Dead naming,” which for anyone who doesn’t know say reference to a trans individual’s previous name. So, I go on the radio, I say, “Oh, Manning is out of prison now.” “It’s Chelsea Manning!” Even if it’s an honest mistake, it’s dead naming because of the trans identity that you have to now all accept. And they want people to be punished for this. Wrong pronoun usage for school children is to be punished now perhaps even with suspension. I’m sorry. A 6-year-old walking up to somebody with a beard and saying, “Yes, sir,” is normal. I don’t want to hear about how, “Oh, maybe the bearded man is actually a bearded lady.” No.

CLAY: And also on this same context, to use the sports analogy, those Tampa Bay Rays players who say, “Hey, I don’t want to wear the pride flag on my shoulder,” Buck, it moves from, “You have to tolerate my choices,” to, “You have to behave in a way that reinforces what I believe or you’re not being tolerant and exclusive!” That’s right. It moves from, “Hey, I’m happy. This is me. These are my life choices,” to, “You have to endorse my life choices and be proud of the choices that I am making.” That’s a big leap. That’s what ends up happening. That is what occurs when you let this Trojan horse in your company, when you let it into your military, and it is not making us a better fighting force by any stretch of the imagination.

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Law Enforcement Callers Give Us Their Take on Uvalde

21 Jun 2022

BUCK: Let’s go with Randy in South Carolina. He’s a retired police officer and hostage negotiator. Randy, thanks for calling in.

CALLER: Thank you for having me on the show.

BUCK: So, what do you think about what happened, Randy?

CALLER: Well, the situation in Texas, you don’t want to point the fingers or call anybody out ’cause you don’t know the level of training these officers had. But it doesn’t seem like there was a — that they had been to any standardized type of training like I had experienced when I was in North Carolina.

BUCK: And, Randy, my understanding was that those officers had just finished active-shooter training earlier this year.

CALLER: See, I don’t understand, then, what happened, having been on both sides of the coin, so to speak, as a negotiator, having taught negotiation tactics — and also, I was subject to active-shooter training — I know that there is a difference. The active-shooter training is basically put in place because when you have a situation unfold you always have officers from different agencies and jurisdictions arrive, and they may not know one another.

CLAY: But the general consensus, Randy, is if there is an active shooter, you go in as aggressively as you possibly can; you draw the fire, you may get hit, but you want the active-shooter-in-a-school situation, especially, focused on you as opposed to focused on the kids, right?

CALLER: Well, I would say that’s partially correct. As I was getting ready to say, the active-shooter training is you have the same type of training almost like a SWAT team does in the close quarter combat drilling. But then say, I’m at the scene and you arrived at the scene and you and I had the same training and we get one or two more — four is the optimum number — then we’re gonna go in. Even though we’ve never trained together, even we don’t know each other, we know the tactics we’re going to employ, we’re going to go in.

CLAY: That’s right. Randy, I want to keep moving as fast as we can. There were dozens of officers eventually on scene before they even went in.

BUCK: We got Jeffrey in Miami, Florida, former Miami cop and also hostage negotiator. Jeffrey, thank you.

CALLER: Yes. I’d like the to point out the Florida Parkland school shooting where they actually arrested the school resource officer for neglect of duty and child neglect. To me he was a scapegoat. He didn’t know exactly where that assailant was. The ones that should have been arrested was the commander showing up on the scene and the other officers that we had knowledge that they stood by and waited to go in. I also want to point out George Floyd.

The officers that stood by while this officer killed George Floyd with his knee on his neck, they were arrested for manslaughter charges and neglect. To me, there’s no difference than these officers standing by while the commanding officer that is not competent is standing by giving these commands to stand down. It wasn’t under a unified command. There was not enough time for that. You had multiple agencies that responded.

Those officers needed to take action and should be held accountable. You look at the female officer that was arrested for pulling her gun out instead of her Taser. To me, the far left needs to get off their ass. The message that they’re sending is if you’re out there doing your job and you screw up, what’s gonna happen is we’re going after you. The message that they need to send is, “If you’re a police officer and you’re not doing your job, we’re gonna go after you.” This was a complete neglect, and these officers should each be held accountable for their actions.

BUCK: All right.BUCK: We actually have, I believe, our first caller from a year ago. What do you call it in comedy when you circle around to the original joke? This isn’t a joke, but we’re going full circle. What you see I’m saying. There’s a name for it. Some of the comedians in the audience know what I’m talking about. John in Savannah, Georgia. Honestly one of my favorite towns to visit; I always say that. What’s up, John? You’re our first caller, and now here you are again.

CALLER: Here I am again, guys! Congratulations on a great first year.

BUCK: Thank you so much.

CLAY: We appreciate it.

BUCK: We appreciate that. You’re a retired law enforcement, 35 years, right? So you have some thoughts on Uvalde.

CALLER: I retired from one and I’m still serving, and I’m pretty much disgusted by everything that’s come out, really. It’s a lot of… I don’t have a lot of words right now. It’s pretty sickening.

BUCK: Yeah, John, we appreciate so much you calling in. Year over year here. We got a call. We get a call again. Thanks, John. I knew this was gonna happen. I was on Tucker’s show talking about this I think two weeks ago, and I said, “The more we find out, effectively the worse and the more ‘unacceptable’ was the word I used, the response will seem.

It’s not to pass blame, not to Monday morning quarterback. Lessons learned, the same way that we all learned after 9/11, “If someone says they’re hijacking the plane, you fight to take back that cockpit. You don’t say, ‘Oh, maybe we’re gonna land somewhere and negotiate.’” Active-shooter situation? Every man, woman capable of wielding a weapon and going after that shooter has to so.

CLAY: When the investigation inside of Texas refers to it as an “abject failure,” when they say that the gunman should have been neutralized within three minutes, that the door was unlocked the entire time? Everyone is imperfect no matter what you do for a living. This appears to have been, as it is described, an abject failure.

You can support police generally while acknowledging that sometimes police do not do their job just like any other profession out there — and in this situation, they totally failed the kids and the teachers inside of those classrooms. I would hope that everyone out there listening across the country will recognize when this situation happens again that you can’t “set up a perimeter.” You can’t set up a barricade. You have to go balls-to-the-wall after the shooter. This should never happen again in American history.

BUCK: I also want to say, we so appreciate the experience, the expertise, the knowledge and just the common sense that this audience brings to us. Not just on the air with the phone calls — which is obviously great, too — but your emails, your Facebook messages.

We’re reading it all the time, the team’s reading it all the time, and you should all feel like you are active participants in this show because the show is done for you, and we learn so much from all of you. Clay and I are so appreciative of each and every one of you listening across the country — and, honestly, we can’t thank you enough.

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Herschel Walker Joins Us to Respond to the Left’s Attacks

21 Jun 2022

CLAY: I am in Atlanta, G…A… Buck is down in the Florida Keys. And joining me here in the studio is the next senator from the great state of Georgia. He is Herschel Walker. And, Herschel, I want to start kind of here. You obviously won a National Championship playing football at Georgia. You’re used to being liked in the state of Georgia.

But, man, it’s amazing how when you decided to become a Republican Senate candidate, suddenly the media’s coming after you like crazy. How do you think they’d be treating you if you were running exact same person, obviously, but you’re a Democrat running for the Senate in Georgia? How much different would the treatment be?

WALKER: I think they would absolutely love me if I was a Democrat running. They would love me, and I’d have all the great articles written about me, and I’d be going around, like, just waving at the crowd like I’m a pageant model and stuff. It would be awesome. I think being a Republican running, I’m good with that as well.

CLAY: What are you seeing here as you go around and hear people? I know there’s talk of the federal gas tax getting repealed. Reverend Raphael Warnock’s trying to pretend that he hasn’t voted for everything Joe Biden wants. What are the people of Georgia saying when you’re going out and seeing ’em all over the place?

WALKER: There’s no doubt that the gas is a big, big problem. This economy is really making everyone stand up and take notice. Not just afford gas but I think the problem you have is people live paycheck to paycheck where I’m from and now they gotta pay a hundred dollars for gas that only take them part of the week. And then you gotta buy groceries, try to save money for your rent, gotta save money for your car note.

That really, really gets expensive. People worried about that and with them coming with all these gimmicks. These are gimmicks trying to get a vote, trying to pretend that they care. If Biden cared and Warnock cared they’d go ahead and give us energy independence again. That’s one thing they gotta tell the people, if they really care about what’s happening to this country, they would make us energy independent again, and remove some of the restrictions from these leases that he says he’s given to everyone, that they can drill on. But he did not tell people that these leases have so many restrictions on it that they can’t even drill. So, he’s not telling the whole truth. And I think if they care they’d do something like that.

BUCK: Hey, Herschel, it’s Buck. Thanks, obviously, for being with us. Really appreciate it. The reality of crime nationwide has gotten a lot more attention in recent months, I think, because not only did we go through a 30% one-year increase in homicides nationwide recently but this year in a number of major cities it’s actually up over the ’20 to ’21 period, right? So, it’s continuing and even exceeding the previous records. There was a whole narrative here of defund the police from Democrats.

There was a narrative that was pushed by the Black Lives Matter movement that ending mass incarceration, which means — that’s the phrase they use — less prosecution, more criminals let out sooner or not prosecuted at all, that somehow this was going to achieve justice. What it has achieved is a lot of disorder, crime, and anarchy on the streets. Do you think that the sentiment in your home state of Georgia has changed on that and do you think there’s anything that as a senator, I mean, just even from the perspective of speaking the truth about this and having a counternarrative you would want to do in the Senate on the issue of crime?

WALKER: Well, you know, one thing I want to do is I want to hold us to our Constitution. I think the problem we have, we’ve come so far and people forget about this. We have a rule of law. And I was thinking about something. I was at a Juneteenth celebration last night, and I say Martin Luther King brought us to a certain point, and now it’s up to all the leaders who we’ve elected to office that are black to take us even further.

But yet they’ve done absolutely nothing but at least look out for themselves. So, we need leaders to advance us, not to take us back, not to look in the rearview mirror, ’cause that seems to be the whole new thing I’m looking at. This country we have a rule of law, and we’re not standing by that rule of law. We’ve put judges, we’ve put DAs and also they’re letting criminals out. There are some people that don’t deserve to walk among decent people. They just can’t get along with people like that.

And when you see crime the way it picked up right now, you gotta not fund the police, we gotta have their backs. There’s one of the things I think they decided to do, oh, we made a big mistake by defunding the police so now we’re gonna fund them but you still got it wrong. You gotta have their backs meaning when you arrest someone you gotta keep ’em in jail. They’re letting people out of jail as soon as the officer arrests them so you don’t even have their back. So why do you want to become an officer? I think that’s the problem we’re having.

CLAY: Herschel, one of the great things about sports is whether you’re black, white, Asian, or Hispanic everybody comes together to try to find a best way for a team to succeed. I would bet in Georgia that you’re meeting a lot of black, white, Asian, Hispanic people who don’t really consider themselves to be political, but they just know things aren’t working right. Are you seeing that a lot when you’re going around the state?

 

WALKER: You know what’s on so on funny, anyone in American can see things are not working right. And if they want to be blind, you can be blind if they want to. When you see the gas prices the way they are right now you know it’s not right. You can try to lie to yourself or try to make excuses. And that’s what’s so good about this here. It got nothing to do with color. It gotta do with these policies they released on the state of Georgia that they released on this country. The policies are Joe Biden policies, they’re policies that Warnock voted on.

You know, he can try to escape that as much as he want but 97% of the time he voted along with Biden. So, that tells you is he looking at the policy, doesn’t care, or he’s just going along with whatever somebody tells him to do? Because when you look at these policies, they do not work. I don’t care what color you are. They do not work. You know, as I was saying early on, I said you look at what’s going on. The people that are hurt are people from my little area. People that can’t afford to buy a $60,000 electric car. They can’t afford to go out and pay a hundred dollars for gas that can only take them part of the week. They can’t afford to do some of the things they’re doing right now.

BUCK: Speaking to Herschel Walker. He’s a Senate candidate in the state of Georgia and obviously also one of the greatest running backs of all time. Herschel, to anybody in the state of Georgia — we got a big Georgia listening audience — who is an independent or maybe even a disaffected Democrat — we’d love to get as many of those as possible — what do you tell them is gonna be different from what they’ve been getting in terms of their representation as Georgians at the federal government from Raphael Warnock?

WALKER: Well, what they gonna get different, I want them to know that don’t think they abandoned their party by voting for me because their party abandoned them. They’re not abandoning their party because they’re voting for me. What they’re doing is they’re voting for someone that care about this country and I care about them because they’re my family. I don’t care what color you are, you’re my family, and I was taught from my parents: Take care of your family.

Right now, my family is hurting. They’re hurting from the crime on the street. They’re hurting from this border being wide open. They’re hurting from the gas prices. They’re hurting from the grocery prices. But those are things I want to fight because I’m not here to put another feather in my cap. I’m not here to try to get a pat on my back. I’m not here to make friends in the Senate and be walking around eating dinners.

What I want to do is get this country fixed and that’s what I told people when I was gonna run. There’s other things I could be doing right now. But I know I can beat Senator Warnock; he knows that as well. If he didn’t know that, they wouldn’t be going after me like they’re going after me because they never worry about fixing what’s going on, but yet they want to continue to talk about me rather than talking about the gas prices. Continuing to talk about me rather than talking about you can’t eat. Continue to talk about me rather than fixing the border.

There are so many things that they have to do that they can get done. It’s simple. That’s what’s so funny. This is simple. If you want to get the gas prices right, let’s start drilling in our own country. Let’s take care of ourselves. Want to get the border right? At least go down and look at the laws on the book. I think the vice president supposed to be down there fixing the border. Where is she at today? You know, she’s not even trying. That’s what makes me so angry, they’re not even trying to make it better and they’re making excuses that they’re not doing it.

CLAY: Herschel, I know you’re not running against Stacey Abrams; Brian Kemp is. I love the state of Georgia. I spend a lot of time down here. Obviously, I live in Tennessee. I wish my Volunteers would win a few more games against your Bulldogs. We’ll see if that ever happens.

WALKER: That may not happen soon, but that’s okay.

CLAY: But she said Georgia was the worst state in the United States, and Warnock is running alongside Stacey Abrams.

WALKER: Yes.

CLAY: They’re a team just like you and Brian Kemp are a team right now running this fall. What did you think, as somebody who grew up in Georgia and had a spent much of your life here, when she said Georgia was the worst state in the country?

WALKER: Well, it was totally insulting. It was insulting because she said the worst state that you know of, and yet you’re running for office here. And then how Senator Warnock running right along with him. I was at a police banquet. And what was so funny about that, they invited Ms. Abrams and invited Senator Warnock. Neither one of them showed up. They didn’t show up to support the police. We gotta support our men and women in blue.

Like it or not, they work for so little yet they do so much and you don’t want to support them? And I said that is a problem. I want people of Georgia to know that. If you want to get Georgia back together, you want to get this country back together, you gotta vote for people that believes in this country. And if you don’t believe in the country, leave and go somewhere else. If it’s the worst state, why are you here? Why don’t you leave, go to another? There’s, what, 51 more other states you can go to. You don’t have to be here.

CLAY: We’re talking to Herschel Walker. He is running for the Senate in Georgia, and he would help to flip the power in the Senate, get to 51 votes in the Senate. It could make a big difference. Like you said, Stacey Abrams, a lot of other states she could choose to live in, 49 of them and maybe District of Columbia. I know the Democrats want to make D.C. and Puerto Rico states: so, before they’re done, 51, 52, who knows. Need Herschel Walker in there in the Senate. Good luck. I appreciate the time. I know how busy you are. Appreciate you coming in studio with us here in Atlanta today.

WALKER: Thank you. And thank you guys, and happy anniversary.

CLAY: Thank you.

WALKER: It’s your first birthday.

CLAY: First birthday. It’s anniversary too. I think it counts both. Thank you.

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New Evidence Affirms an Abject, Inexcusable Police Failure in Uvalde

21 Jun 2022

CLAY: We talked about Uvalde and the school shooting there a great deal when it happened — the consequences, the details — and it appears that there now is a full vetting that is coming due, and it is that Uvalde police — commanders at a minimum — completely dropped the ball in their response here. And we want you to be able to hear this audio that was just released in recent hours here.

This is (Texas Department of Public Safety Director) Steve McCraw letting you know all of the details going on in the investigation surrounding Uvalde police response to that shooting. This is going to be chilling, this is going to be tough to hear, but we need an accurate rendition of what truly happened, and the police — the police — did not do the best at all, even close to it, protecting these young kids and those teachers. Listen.

CLAY: Buck, you’ve watched some of this video as they have released actually the scene video from inside of the school. You’ve actually trained in some of these situations. You recognize better than most would the type of guns that the police had, that they were equipped with, also the protective shields and whatnot. What — based on the videos and the data and the reports coming out now — is your take?

BUCK: This was abject failure and catastrophic misapplication of tactical doctrine. So, here’s the very fundamental and — unfortunately, given the stakes here — horrific error that was made. There was a mind-set — and this comes across. I watched the Senate committee, the Texas Senate Committee to Protect All Texans live today, when they went through step by step, the latest information, it was illuminating in some ways, Clay.

For example, why was there all that misreporting in the beginning about the school resource officer confronting the gunman? That seemed like a detail that you couldn’t get wrong in good faith. Well, in this case — meaning the press reporting on it — it was because a resource officer was not on scene but responded to the scene and did confront an adult outside the building who he at first thought may be the shooter but was not.

It was just a teacher who was outside the building. But so that was where there was this initial… So there were good-faith reporting errors either on the part of the law enforcement or… Okay. But getting to the much more important component of this, the doctrine post-Columbine for active shooter is “stop the threat.” It’s as straightforward as anybody can imagine. You have someone who is actively trying to kill human beings, who are — in the case of the school — unarmed and defenseless, you go until it’s stopped.

That means law enforcement officers take risks. That means that police on the scene are going to get shot at, and some of them may be hit. That is the doctrine. What the commander on the scene applied to this was, “This is a barricaded shooter situation,” and that then explains why the tactical decisions were made. Remember, over an hour of waiting — an hour of children bleeding out in that classroom, an hour of ongoing shooting.

CLAY: 911 calls from inside.

BUCK: Yes. So they applied barricaded shooter doctrine. So, that means, “et up a cordon, get a negotiator, see if you can get them to come out without an exchange of gunfire with law enforcement, necessarily.” This was not a crazy person who had locked himself in an attic and said, “If anyone comes in here, I’m going to shoot them.” This was a mass murdering psychopath still on scene, still firing his gun.

The fact that there were multiple instances, Clay, as you pointed out, of 911 calls being made from inside the classroom, of gunfire from inside the classroom, I do not understand… Now, I know they want to make this about command, and I know we have a lot of law enforcement. we’ve got Army Rangers who saw seven tours listening right now. We’ve got SWAT team commanders listening right now.

They know a heck of a lot more about this than I do. But I don’t understand how anybody in that hallway where they had long guns… They had AR-15s too. They had ballistic shields. Clay, they had four ballistic shields stacked up. They had multiple long guns! They had body armor too. You got an 18-year-old lunatic in there shooting people, and you don’t go in? I don’t understand how they don’t override command and say, “Sorry, sir, you can fire us but we’re going in.”

CLAY: It sounds like on some level that’s what finally happened. But I would love to get calls — and we’ve done this before as some of the details came out — 800-282-2882. I only want, to Buck’s point, people who have either found themselves in these situations before or have been through so many different training exercises. As all these details are coming out, Buck, I just can’t stop thinking about the 911 calls.

And if you are a police officer and you are aware that there are kids calling from inside of these classrooms, teachers calling from inside of these classrooms, isn’t this why you become a police officer? If you crystallized, I think, for the vast majority of people out there who go into law enforcement, it’s very rare that you get an opportunity is to protect the young and innocent from a heinous madman.

This is why, I think, why you become a police officer, because there are children in danger, because there are female teachers in danger, because there are people who are not as strong as you are that are in danger and you are there as their shield. You are there as their protector. I cannot imagine sitting outside of that classroom — and, frankly, you know what? Neither could those parents. Those parents were willing to go in unarmed, some of them, and try to take their chances to protect their kids.

And I’m afraid of the details that are gonna come out. The number of kids that were shot and the number of teachers that were shot that could have survived if they had gone in that first two or three minutes and actually confronted this gunman, it makes me sick to my stomach. And I bet it makes a huge number of people out there listening to us right now who are in law enforcement absolutely sick to their stomachs.

So here’s the question I have, Buck: What happens now? Are there consequences for this police officer, this commander on the scene who made such disastrous decisions, as you pointed out — treated this like a hostage-barricade situation as opposed to an active shooter? And how was he not overruled I think is a question that is echoing through many of our listeners right now.

BUCK: There’s gonna be a lot of continued, I think, debate and analysis over this from within the immediate law enforcement community that was on the scene there but also I think that this will be studied in a very similar way to Columbine, right? Columbine was, they applied the training they had, and training was absolutely wrong for the situation. Now, that’s a different thing. What we have here is the misapplication of training doctrine to the specific situation at hand.

It’s not that law enforcement hadn’t had the training and would not have been able to respond differently based on their training. In this case it’s, “We think we have a barricaded shooter and are gonna treat it as such,” when it’s really an active shooter. That’s a huge… But then to your other point, Clay, not only all of the law enforcement community members listening to this right now… I honestly believe all the parents listening to this right now who have a…

Look, some people have a comfort and a familiarity with firearms, know how to handle themselves with a firearm. And I just know right now there are parents across the country listening, saying, “Forget about being a law enforcement officer, tactics and training. There are 911 calls being made and they’re still shooting from inside of a school building, and I’m on the scene? Give me my 12-gauge, man! I’m going in,” and I believe they would do it.

I don’t think that that’s bravado. I believe that, and I know that, and so when you think about it in that context, you wonder, I guess just command-and-control in that hallway for those officers. Because I also believe that those officers… Maybe I want to believe that it’s not that they were scared they were gonna get shot. It’s that they didn’t want to be the one that broke orders and made it worse. So I think it’s tactical misapplication. I want to believe that instead of, “Oh, I don’t want to get shot trying to save these kids.” But I also leave some of this to a law enforcement community that’s listening and what do they think.

CLAY: And we also don’t know what those later-arriving officers were told on the scene. Some of those guys may have gotten there and they may have said, “Man, it’s awful. All the kids in the classroom are dead, and this guy has barricaded himself in now.”

BUCK: That’s right. That’s right.

CLAY: So they may not —

BUCK: If they told the BORTAC team that, for example, “Everyone in the room is dead. We’re waiting to see if we can get in get this guy,” then there’s no urgency. The problem is when you hear gunfire, there’s urgency. So we have to know it.

CLAY: When you hear that gunfire and, oh, by the way, I just think — and again we don’t know exactly, but the 911 calls — when you’ve got 12 or 14 911 calls being made from inside of that classroom, I have to believe that the vast majority of those police officers did not know about exactly what was taking place there. But you know who should have, is the guy who was in command, and there are gonna be an all of you lot of questions about what should happen to him.

And also think about this: Much of the discussion has surrounded laws that need to be changed, and that debate is still ongoing. But the story of Uvalde to me is, the police were there within two or three minutes of the guy entering into the classroom. How much different of a story is this if, in four minutes, they go in and they take this guy out? How many more people are still alive? How much different is the discussion? Because then, by the way, one guy with a gun — a couple of guys with guns were able to confront him as opposed to here where they say, “Oh, the police didn’t do their job, they sat outside, we’ve gotta have less guns.”

BUCK: To wait when you have four trained law enforcement officers with ballistic shields and bullet-resistant vests, Kevlar vests on and long guns, is inexcusable. It’s just inexcusable. The basis for this… This guy, they weren’t going up against some kind of a cyborg. He’s an 18-year-old kid who’s murdering defenseless children. The parents somehow, Clay, knew on the perimeter. They knew that not enough was being done, which I think is also a haunting part of this.

CLAY: Yeah.

BUCK: There were parents, some of whom broke through the police perimeter to say —

CLAY: And went and got their kids out of classroom!

BUCK: — “Forget this. I’m saving my kids.” So this is gonna go down, I think, unfortunately, along with some of the other failures of law enforcement doctrine and application, some of the very haunting ones from recent decades. That’s where I think this, unfortunately, belongs right now.

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C&B 24/7: Clay & Buck’s Show Prep

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    “Recession Isn’t Inevitable” Chants Administration in Denial

    20 Jun 2022

    CLAY: The number-one talking point now of Democrats: I want to you to listen to this montage, Buck, of the White House’s latest catchphrase, which is recession is not inevitable. Biden said it today at Rehoboth Beach. We played this in the first hour. Everybody is trying to sell this idea that the recession, which I believe has already started, I think you do as, “Well, it’s not inevitable, guys.”

    YELLEN: I don’t think a recession is at all — at all inevitable.

    GRANHOLM: Inflation obviously is happening globally. A recession is not inevitable.

    DEESE: Not only is a recession not inevitable but I think that a lot of people are underestimating of those strengths and the resilience of the American economy.

    BUCK: These people are delusional.

    CLAY: That’s the talking point. They’re gonna try to make speak into truth what is not true, and if you challenge it — like we had Joe Biden had earlier today; he snapped at the reporter that they were not sharing factual truth by suggesting that a recession seemed like it was gonna happen, basically.

    BUCK: Not only do we live in a society now where one part of the ideological spectrum — Democrats, the left — get very aggressive about making everybody affirm what is untrue, right? — “Say this thing that is untrue or else” — we also live at a time where, as you can see, they never admit that they were wrong. I mean, clearly spending about $2 trillion a year ago or, you know, more than a year ago now, 15 months ago was a catastrophically bad idea for the economy.

    They called it the American Rescue Plan, remember? Joe Biden the whole year was bragging about how great it was, how it saved so many people. Catastrophically bad for the economy, a lot of pain being felt, and all these other issues we talk about — I mean, covid is the one that comes the most to mind for me because they were so certain and they were so wrong. No one ever says, “I’m sorry; I got it wrong.”

    CLAY: Yeah.

    BUCK: You know? No one ever says, “I shouldn’t have forced upon you my beliefs via government because I was actually way ahead of where the facts may have been at that time,” and now we’re all suffering as a result. ‘Cause that’s where we are. We are suffering because of bad Democrat ideas as a country. This isn’t happenstance. This isn’t just something that is occurring right now. People made — in power positions — bad decisions, and that’s what has led to the current…you name it. Fill in the blank with anything that’s really troubling you at a national level right now.

    CLAY: And we cannot get fast enough to the midterms. Buck, I don’t know about you. I look at the calendar, and I think to myself all the time, “Are we going to be in a spot where the Democrats are able to ram through another spending bill, another tax-related attempt to change the tax codes?” My concern is the answer is “yes,” but every single day that ticks away without them effectively being able to accomplish something, to me, is a win for the American economy, a win for the American people, a win for sanity. I’m hopeful that basically Republicans can run out the clock ’cause every single Republican needs to hold up their hand, given where we are with inflation, and say, “No more. We cannot allow this to continue to occur.”

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