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The Little Fauch Teases Return to Masks

5 Apr 2022

BUCK: We’ve been telling you that they’re coming back — and I know that sometimes people say, “Oh, come on, Buck. You’ve been in this fight for a couple years. You and Clay have been talking about this for a long time. People have had enough. They’re not gonna return.” I don’t think Fauci thinks we’ve had enough. I think the little Fauch isn’t done with us yet.

And here he is telling you, he might be forcing masks on everybody’s faces again.

BUCK: “Pivot, “he said. Notice that he is openly conscious, Clay, of using words that won’t really tell people what’s going on. Like, he doesn’t like “lockdown.” He doesn’t like “mask mandate.” He won’t even use his favorite “mitigation” anymore. (summarized) “You know, we’re gonna pivot. We’re gonna be adaptable…” It’s like this guy says: He’s just a little propagandist.

CLAY: It’s all so transparently ridiculous, to me, Buck. What is going to end up happening is many blue states and blue cities are going to bring back masks. I mean, we’ve already seen it; we’re gonna talk about this in the next segment. If you haven’t already heard it, if you’re a parent you’re gonna hear this next segment we’re gonna have about a mom who wanted to speak out against her kids who are preschool age being forced to wear masks.

She spoke out to the mayor of in New York City — we’re gonna play all the audio for you — she got fired from her job for doing it. If you are a parent, this is the great fear out there. This is why it matters that you’re labeled a “domestic terrorist” if you speak out at your school board meetings. This is why there is right now this culture of permeating fear among so many Americans when it comes to saying what we actually think.

And that’s why I feel so fortunate, Buck, that we can actually go toe-to-toe with these idiot politicians implementing these policies that make no sense, and we’re fortunate to have the jobs that we do because I don’t care and you don’t care what the consequences are. We’re gonna tell the truth, that we believe that these masks are absurd.

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Utah Voters Light Up the Phone Lines to Rip Romney

5 Apr 2022

CLAY: A lot of you are fired up about Mitt Romney as we were both fired up to start the show, talking about — well, what I think it’s fair to say is — a betrayal from Mitt Romney. Not any one particular incident, but this has been building, particularly related to me, to be the only Republican not to oppose masks on airplanes, being unwilling to show up to vote against the Biden vaccine mandate, and now you flip your vote on Ketanji Brown Jackson.

You didn’t think she was qualified earlier to be a judge at a lower-level court and now you suddenly think she’s qualified to be a judge at the Supreme Court? It doesn’t make any sense at all. By the way, Mitt Romney said, “Well, I thought she was outside of the mainstream. But then after meeting with her, I now think she’s in the mainstream.”

I’m paraphrasing his opinion. But all that says to me is, Buck, well, so you did a poor job the first time you considered her nomination and now you’re doing a better job? No. This is all transparent, this is ridiculous, and a lot of people from Utah want to weigh in. So, let’s go to Julie and Dave. They are fired up over Mitt.

BUCK: We got a lot of Utah right now coming. We got a Utah team coming in strong.

CLAY: Utah is showing up strong. Again, we’re number one in Salt Lake City. We appreciate all of you listening out there. Julie and Dave, what do you guys…? You both want to weigh in, I guess.

CALLER: (laughing) Hello. Well, I was told by your screener that I was to speak ,and my husband was to be a silent partner, which is the way it should be, you know?

CLAY: In all marriages, if you ask women, I think that’s certainly true. Certainly true at my house.

CALLER: No, I’m just kidding. No, he was going to have him on but the screener didn’t want us both to speak. We are live calling you from our residence. And we just wanted to weigh in that he is an embarrassment to us in Utah, and we just want everyone to know that. He does not represent the values here. We have so many children in this state, and the Ketanji Brown Jackson thing is just amazing to us, that he would side with that, given her record on sentencing regarding child porn. He is not responsive to his constituents.

We have emailed him on an issue, and it took him like six months to even reply to us, and it was a form letter that did not even address or make sense to the issue that we would email him about. We don’t know what his angle is. But we will actively campaign for and support any opponent that — conservative that — comes up against him. I know there is talk of our AG, Sean Reyes, throwing his hat into the ring against him. And we would be so excited for that to happen. I don’t know if it’s just spite or his ego regarding the Trump issue and that conservatives didn’t accept him as a president.

BUCK: Didn’t Trump endorse him?

CALLER: I think he did.

BUCK: I gotta check on that. I remember he met with him for secretary of state. I think Trump endorsed him.

CLAY: Yeah, I remember they had that awkward dinner.

CALLER: We didn’t vote for him.

BUCK: Yes.

CALLER: We did not vote for him this last go ’round, ’cause I could see the wolf in sheep’s clothing, if you want to put it that way.

BUCK: Can I just throw this out there? Trump did endorse him back in 2018.

CALLER: Did he?

BUCK: Yes.

CALLER: Well, regardless of that, we know his history. I don’t know if he’s playing a McCain and he just wants to be viewed well in the history books or like you guys are saying. You guys are spot-on with what you’re saying about him because he is just terrible.

BUCK: Well, thank you, Julie. You are an astute listener. We appreciate it.

CLAY: We appreciate everybody, and we got a lot of people who want to weigh in. And look. I think he should have a serious challenge in 2024, and I think what he is thinking he is going to do, Buck, is maybe he’s gonna run for president in 2024 and he’s gonna be the rebel. Look, Mitt Romney is… I mean, the best description I ever heard of Mitt Romney is the guy who’s in the fake photo that is in every frame that you buy in a department store. Right?

Like, Mitt Romney is the bland sort of well-kept, well-groomed white guy who’s in every photo in a picture frame, right? If you go into a department store, they have the fake photo that’s like the standard-bearer inside of the picture frame. That’s Mitt Romney. He stands for nothing. There’s no depth to him. He is a absolute, in my opinion, just wuss.

BUCK: I think you’re not alone here, given how every line has been lit up with callers from Utah on this issue specifically. Funny. We’ve just got Utah callers. People around the country are annoyed about what he’s done, too, but we got Brian in Layton, Utah. What’s up, Brian?

CALLER: Hello. Big fan, Buck. After the 2020 election, I would get annoyed when you kept talking about covid rather than a potential fraudulent election, but you were completely correct.

BUCK: Thank you.

CALLER: I’m a Utah voter and definitely didn’t vote for Romney in the primary and almost didn’t vote for him in the general, but I was lazy and filled the straight Republican ticket. I would definitely take that back and not make that mistake again. When I heard he voted to keep kids in masks, I was disgusted and I wrote him right away, and I got that same lame response that you mentioned earlier that he trusts the experts. That spineless response drives me crazy, because it is the leaders that we elected that are responsible to weigh all options —

CLAY: Amen.

CALLER: — like you’ve been talking on your show for years, for years. I recommend to everyone the book Skin in the Game by Nassim Taleb, because we can’t trust experts. They have their bias, their skin is barely in the game, and we need leaders who have skin in the game that will weigh all options and be reasonable and smart like you guys. Thanks.

BUCK: Thank so much, Brian. Appreciate it. Although I think Nassim Taleb is a pro-mask guy, so we gotta check that one out. I’m pretty sure.

CLAY: But the stories do reflect, Buck, that experts get things wrong all the time. And the more of a limited expert you are the more likely you are to get things wrong in your chosen field. Take it outside of masking. Look at economists. Economists get everything wrong. They can tell you why something matters after it happens, but their forecasts are almost universally wrong.

BUCK: Well, this is also why the history of medical breakthroughs, scientific breakthroughs — really breakthroughs — comes athwart a consensus. Oh, there are people because they didn’t know something before. Usually when someone comes along with some great piece of new knowledge that is true, everyone around them, the system, the establishment, the apparatus doesn’t say, “Wow, you’re a genius.” They say, “Oh, that’s reckless. It’s terrible. What do you mean you want to sterilize instruments?”

CLAY: You want to wash your hands between surgeries? What are you, crazy!

BUCK: You want as much mucus and blood and stuff on your hands as possible when you go from one surgery to the next. That was the state of modern medicine, so to speak, until, what, the middle of the nineteenth century, give or take?

CLAY: Yeah, coming out of London they suddenly started saying, “Hey, maybe if we clean our medical equipment, maybe if we sterilize, maybe this could make sense,” and that was ridiculed by all the people in positions of power at the time.

CALLER: Hey, how you doing today?

BUCK: We’re good, Bob. What’s on your mind?

CALLER: Well, going back to when Romney ran for president back in 2012, I refused to vote for him for the simple fact that when Harry Reid accused him of not paying taxes for 10 years, Romney won’t even stand up and defend himself. And I figured if he’s not gonna defend himself, he’s not gonna defend the American people. So I wrote in Bill the Cat, a much more qualified individual.

BUCK: (laughing) All right. Thank you, Bob.

CLAY: You’re right. He doesn’t stand up for himself. Steve in Salt Lake City. Let’s get Steve in here as well.

CALLER: Hey, guys. Something happened to Romney between the first and second debate in 2012. I campaigned for him. Dennis Miller was right there ready to go to that second debate and keep going with him and something happened. He didn’t even go after Benghazi. He did have that good Russia comment, but something happened between that first and second debate back when he was running dependence Obama, and I’m still trying to figure out what that was.

BUCK: Steve, I remember those debates very well, and that first debate against Obama, Mitt Romney absolutely crushed him. It was not close. Even the Democrats spin room afterwards there was kind of a muttering, “Oh, that wasn’t good,” and then in the second debate when the Benghazi issue came up, Candy Crowley boxed out Mitt, so to speak, and decided to jump in in favor of Obama on the “did he call it a terrorist attack or not?” And that kind of turned some of the momentum ’cause CNN is a Democrat propaganda network so that’s not surprising.

CLAY: I also think historically there is a press… You’re right, he dominated in that first debate. Historically there is often the case… Trump was a disaster in the first debate against Joe Biden, and then just completely cleaned his clock the next time they went. The president often does a really bad job the first debate because he hasn’t been prepping as much as the contender has.

Because he’s the president of the United States so he’s worried about everything else. Man, I wish we could go back in time and change that first debate — now that I’m speaking about it — that Trump had with Biden, because if he had debated the second time in those situations like he did the first one, it would have been an utter destruction.

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Chuck Todd Still Doesn’t Get Donald Trump

4 Apr 2022

CLAY: One of the big topics — maybe the biggest topic, to be frank — as we get ready for the midterms. We’re roughly six months away from the voting that’s gonna go on in November, and that obviously will have a big impact. And we want and encourage everybody out there to make it a consequential election in terms of it being a reckoning on the failures of the covid policy, particularly being implemented by Democratic politicians and mayors as they have failed epically on all of those fronts and need to be held accountable for them.

But in the wake of the midterms will come the next big decision. What is going to happen with Joe Biden? What is going to happen with Donald Trump? Buck and I feel like Donald Trump is going to run. We would be very surprised if he does not run based on what we have heard in our conversation surrounding that. But it’s idiotic to argue that Trump wouldn’t run because it’s too much work to run for president or be president.

So that probably makes complete sense that that would be the argument that was made over the weekend. Believe it or not, if Trump doesn’t run — according to Chuck Todd on Meet the Press — being president is just too much work and he doesn’t think Trump’s gonna run because he doesn’t want to work that hard. This might be the dumbest argument by someone making millions of dollars on television. For the weekend, at least, Chuck Todd is certainly not the dumbest person. There’s way dumber people.

BUCK: He’s like medium dumb.

CLAY: Medium.

BUCK: He’s medium dumb.

CLAY: Medium dumb.

CORNELL BELCHER: If he runs, he’s going to be the nominee. If he runs, he’s going to be the nominee, but also I think —

CHUCK TODD: I don’t buy that he runs, but —

CORNELL BELCHER: Why wouldn’t he run? It’s a money-generating —

CHUCK TODD: It’s work.

CORNELL BELCHER: It’ll generate money, publicity. That’s what he’s for.

CHUCK TODD: It’s work.

BUCK: I mean —

CLAY: Too much work?

BUCK: I mean, first of all, it’s amazing, some of the people who are paid to opine on Trump still don’t understand him at all.

CLAY: At all.

BUCK: A lot of them. A lot of the big names, they don’t get him at all. They don’t understand. Nothing fires that guy up… Okay, maybe a hole-in-one.

CLAY: (laughing)

BUCK: But other than a hole-in-one — which he just got last week, by the way; we didn’t mention it on the show. This isn’t like a Kim Jong-un hole-in-one which he did 18 times. This is apparently a verified, real hole-in-one.

CLAY: Yes.

BUCK: And here you go with them saying that Trump wouldn’t have the…? Their analysis of him is always horrible ’cause they just hate him so much they can’t think straight about him. That’s always the deal.

CLAY: Yeah, and look, there are lots of reasons why Trump could choose not to run. Foremost of them is his age. He could just decide, “You know what? I have implemented incredible policies. There’s a huge contingent of people that are excited run. Joe Biden, maybe doesn’t run. Maybe Hillary is not running, and then it’s a brand-new generational election.” He could make that choice.

But to argue that Trump, a guy who works as hard as pretty much any politician we have ever seen in terms of the hours that he is willing to spend, the effort and energy and intensity that he is bringing to bear? That he would not run because it’s just too much work, is crazy. There are lots of reasons he might not run. The guy who’s not gonna run, by the way, in my opinion — I think you’re starting to agree, Buck. I don’t think there’s any way Joe Biden runs.

BUCK: We’re gonna have to have another bet, but I’m gonna go broke buying Travis steaks if this keeps up, so…

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It’s Been One Year Since the CDC Director Uttered This Lie

4 Apr 2022

CLAY: Buck, I couldn’t help but notice that we have basically hit the one-year anniversary now of CDC director Rochelle Walensky saying vaccinated people don’t carry the virus and cannot get it or spread it. Let’s listen to this clip a little bit over a year ago. This is the end of March last year. I feel like we need the little twinkle sound where we go back in time. But this is CDC director Rochelle Walensky. I don’t know, Buck, if people are ever going to trust the CDC again. I know that I can’t, personally, because of everything that they have gotten so wrong, including this.

BUCK: Obviously that’s like, “Step on a rake, slip on a banana peel, belly flop in the pool,” as wrong as you can be in a statement of fact about a vaccine, right?

CLAY: Yes.

BUCK: This is absurd. But it’s not surprising. Think about it: How long…? When she says, “Look at the data,” how much data did they have? She says, “Look at the real-world trials.” How long did those last for? How many months of this? If you had said at the beginning of the vaccine a year ago when… This is really when it was getting rolled out to everybody, right?

April of 2021 was when, all of a sudden, the vaccine was available for so many folks, right? The seniors had had it a little while longer. But, Clay, if you had said, “How can they know how effective this is and over what period of time when they’ve had such a short time to do any testing?” you’re an anti-vax, anti-science grandma killer.

CLAY: Yes.

BUCK: But it was the most obvious thing imaginable, right? I mean, when you actually go back and think about it, how much time could they really have had to study and look at data. The answer was “very little, actually.”

CLAY: When did we have Alex Berenson on in studio with us with us in New York City? Was that late July, early August? It was right before he got banned.

BUCK: I think so. I think it was July. We’d have to ask the team here. We’ve been having him regularly on the show since, what, June of 2021? When we started.

CLAY: Since we started. Yeah, and my point on that is we were one of the first big shows, I would say, out there. Both of us before we started doing this show. But the data even when she was saying that at the end of March, Buck, the data from Israel and the data from England was already flashing big, red warning signs. Remember, Biden went on as soon as July and said, “Oh, if you get the shot; you’ll never get covid. You’re never gonna have to worry about it at all.”

And, Buck, they’re on four now, shot four. They’re gonna be on shot five by the time we are talking to everybody in the fall. When your kids go back to school for the new fall year, they are gonna be talking about people over the age of 50. They’re gonna be saying, “Hey, go get your fifth covid shot,” in the space of, what, like 17, 18 months? It’s wild to think about.

BUCK: And the people that even six months ago were saying, “You’re not gonna have to get a lot of shots. Just get the shot! Why you so irresponsible?” All the hysterics around that, when some of us were saying, this is gonna be shots forever. We go back, when was the first time, “We said fully vaccinated is no longer a thing because you’re always going to be temporarily vaccinated”?

CLAY: That’s right.

BUCK: I think we started saying that in October or November of last year, and it’s true. And the people who were wrong about everything are never apologetic, never admit they were wrong. They just go on to the next Fauciite consensus talking point.

CLAY: Well, and what they say, Buck, and it’s so infuriating is, “Nobody ever said that if you got the shot were never gonna get the virus or be able to spread it.” Yeah, they did!

BUCK: That’s exactly what they said.

CLAY: We just played you the clip of them saying it. They just moved the goalposts and claimed it had never actually been said.

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4 Apr 2022

BUCK: We’ve spent some time updating the latest from Ukraine as the Russian invasion seems to have at least come to a point of temporary halt around Kiev. There’s still rocketing. There’s not a ceasefire, but the Russian military, the Russian war machine’s momentum has certainly slowed down considerably. And now there are more reports than ever about what that Russian war machine is willing to do to try to take territory and break the Ukrainian resistance.

“Atrocities Prompt Calls for More Sanctions as Russia Pummels South.” So southern Ukraine still very much being bombarded. But around Kiev, which it seemed the plan for the Russians was going to be to encircle the capital then command a surrender and concessions — territorial concessions, among others — neutrality concessions from the Ukrainian government.

Now we’re seeing that the Russian military is not only indiscriminate in its use of indirect fewer, of artillery and rockets, but will execute and engage in widespread atrocities against civilians. This is now prompting calls for war crimes investigations and eventual prosecution, all the way up to Joe Biden saying that Vladimir Putin is a war criminal.

Clay, we’re going to reach this point, I think, very soon where we realize, first of all, the military reality on the ground in Ukraine is what is determining this conflict. For all of the talk and all the things that have been said by external actors about sanctions and now there’s a call for even more sanctions, of course, yeah, that’s putting pressure on the Russian government. Putin is dealing with a military reality on the ground.

That’s what’s actually determining where he stops and where he goes and sends the military with this situation. So everything else is secondary to that military reality in the mind of the Kremlin — or of Putin at the Kremlin — and now we have our own president calling Putin as a war criminal.

And I just have to say, who will enforce this? Because on the one hand while it is true that these are atrocities, if you’re gonna go after Putin specifically, how can you have a peace deal when you’re going to say the leader on the other side should face a criminal tribunal in the Hague?

CLAY: Well, and can he leave this country, Buck? ‘Cause that’s the first thing I think of. Are we going to have Vladimir Putin either locked into Russia, or if he leaves the country are there gonna be people who storm him to try to arrest him for war crimes? And you’ve been, I think, really kind of plugged in on this from the start, obviously, with your background.

So now that we have effectively the war shifting almost exclusively to the east of Ukraine, do you think at this point that it’s just a battle over whether Ukraine is willing to cede this territory to Russia? Is there any way that Ukraine can — and I’m using quotation marks here — “win,” i.e., expel Russia from the territory that they already owned up to this point, or are we effectively now to the point where the battle is going to be over how much of eastern Ukraine is going to be given up to the Russians as a way to end this conflagration? How do we get this done, basically?

BUCK: Yeah. The answer is I think just what we’ve seen in the Donbass region stretching back now seven years. It’s one thing to defend bravely and admirably your home in a city environment, your hometown, your home city as Ukrainians have been doing. But once the Russians have taken an area fully and dug in, going on offense against that is a different situation.

CLAY: Expelling them.

BUCK: If they weren’t able to do that with a much smaller paramilitary Russian infiltration — or I shouldn’t say paramilitary, but essentially false flag Russian incursion into the Donbas, it’s unlikely I’ll honest happy to do that it here with the full Russian military. You can see it on maps. There’s a lot of maps popping up on TV; there’s substantial shelling in the south. Maripol, the city, looks like it’s essentially been turned to rubble.

CLAY: It’s basically been leveled.

BUCK: They’ve destroyed the city. But what they’re doing is creating a corridor from the east, the Donbas region — which is a region that has had fighting now for years — all the way down along the coastline to the Sea of Azov and the Black Sea, so that they cut off Ukraine from maritime access.

Which is a big deal for a country. But the Russians also have a land corridor to bring together the territory that they would want including Crimea, right, ’cause that would stretch into the Crimean Peninsula too. So is it likely that there’s going to be any future in which the Ukrainians kick the Russians out of those areas? I think militarily no.

And then you have to ask, “Well, do we have the diplomatic leverage to get those kinds of concessions from the Russians?” I think the answer to that is also, no. There’s a big question right now as to whether the Russians… Are they backing away because they think they can’t take Kiev or are they backing away to just regroup and come at it again? Here is Zelensky. He appeared over the weekend at the Grammys — which, just as a side note, I didn’t even know the Grammys was a thing that was happening. But regardless, here is Volodymyr Zelensky, the president of Ukraine.

BUCK: So Zelensky, obviously, able to address a whole lot an American international audience there, and, Clay, you have to wonder at this point. We’ve given the Ukrainian a lot of emergency services; there’s a huge humanitarian relief effort underway. I have a family member — not in my media family but a family member — who’s gone over to Poland to help with the relief efforts now.

People are getting involved all over the place. He’s gonna be trying to helping the refugees, bringing them food. A friend of mine I use work with over at The Blaze, he’s also over there now, Brian Sack. He is trying to just do his part to help. But, again, it comes back to this military reality on the ground in Ukraine. We should help and do help refugees. We should help and do get munitions and weapons to the Ukrainian fighters. But if we’re not doing a military intervention, we’re also at some level in a bystander capacity here.

CLAY: And it’s gonna be more difficulty, I think, Buck. We’ve talked about the emotion and the way it’s going to dictate in many ways the response of the United States and other Western allies. Buck, the war crime evidence is, it would appear, nearly 100% certainty now, as you’re aware of seeing all of these civilians, many of them bound up, buried in mass graves, shot with their hands tied behind their backs, all of these things as the Russians are pulling back from the Kiev area.

And that is going to further, I think, embolden the emotional response, which is going to continue to press us towards, “Hey, be as aggressive as you possibly can in providing sustenance, support, and maybe a continued push towards the idea of American military intervention in some way.” I’m not saying I support it. I’m just saying the emotions that you’re going to see brought to bear from all of these mass casualty events is going to continue to weigh on the way that America responds.

BUCK: Yes, and of course, there are still some in this country who are trying to find a way to make this about a domestic political score-settling situation. What Putin is doing is horrible, but the history of the Russian military — when it was Soviets and now the Russians but — is one of extreme brutality. I mean, the notion that they’re going to abide by Geneva Conventions is unfortunately repudiated immediately with a brief look at history.

That’s just the way the Russian military fights is in this way, with extreme brutality, viciousness and targeting of civilians. But put that aside for a moment. As you call him, Clay, the de facto president, Ron Klain. We’re looking at what’s going on with Putin and the Biden White House is saying the real enemy are like our friend Tucker Carlson at Fox for… Well, just listen to this.

BUCK: Okay. Can we just…? I think it’s Nicolle Wallace who is one of the… Am I right on that one? Is that Nicolle Wallace?

CLAY: Yeah.

BUCK: She’s one of the dumbest and most dishonest people in the political space on television. Just put that aside. She’s up there.

CLAY: By the way, that’s saying something.

BUCK: She’s like top 10 dumbest and most dishonest. When has Tucker ever given Vladimir Putin safe harbor for dropping bombs on civilians? I do watch. That is a show that I do watch, right. I watch Tucker’s show and I’ll watch the opening monologue. I’ve seen him countless times. I can’t remember how many times he’s said we stand with the Ukrainian people in their…?

You know, stand with them in a moral sense, in an unethical sense in their fight Benson Russian aggression. It’s horrible what’s going on. But the Democrats can’t help themselves. Their real enemy, Clay, is always here at home. It’s not even Vladimir Putin abroad. The real problem is always right next door to them.

CLAY: Well, the amount of just lying that goes on. I mean, you’re seeing it. Certainly, we’ve seen it the last several weeks out of Florida over the parental rights bill. People you don’t even watch… This happens to us to a certain extent. People who don’t listen to our show criticize us for things that we never said, and I think the positive here is Tucker is such a part of the conversation that they consider — the de facto president of the United States does, Ron Klain — Tucker to be such an equally that he’s attacking him directly.

I always say you know you’re over the target when the bombs start getting dropped right on you, right, like when they’re coming after you. And Tucker makes a lot of logical sense on a night-to-night basis. It’s why, Buck — and this is a tremendous fact that doesn’t get enough attention — more Democrats often watch Tucker Carlson than watch the counterprogramming on MSNBC and CNN.

BUCK: Yeah, well, it’s also a function — it’s a vestige, really — of all the lies told about Trump for four years as Putin’s puppet, that that audience —

CLAY: Yes.

BUCK: — the CNN and MSNBC audiences, the New York Post, New York Times, et cetera, then all the lesser dumber versions of those platforms, they’ve convinced their audience that the Republican Party is somehow in bed with Putin and Russia and we love Russia and all this stuff. I mean, you know, we do our own show here.

I’ve written at Fox News about how we should give arms and munitions to Ukraine — the whole thing is just not rooted in reality, but they tell their audience what they to want hear. The point I really want to hammer home is for the Democrats on the left, the real threat, the real enemy is always here at home. Vladimir Putin is not as scary to them as “white nationalists in America!” and all the other stuff that they cry about and pretend is some huge threat.

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Arizona AG Mark Brnovich on the Coming Border Disaster

4 Apr 2022

BUCK: We have with us right now the attorney general of the state of Arizona, Mark Brnovich, to talk about the migration — illegal migration — tsunami that is expected at our southern border. Attorney General Brnovich, thanks for being with us.

BRNOVICH: Oh, thanks, guys, for having me on. I really appreciate it.

BUCK: First, can you tell everybody — ’cause we hear about Title 42. We’ve explained to this audience, and they’re very attuned to the border. We know that it is a CDC authority that allows for some people in some circumstances to cross illegally to be immediately or almost immediately turned away and repatriated or pushed back across the border, however it works. Can you give us a sense of how much this has been used, and what are the numbers like? Because right now it sounds like, if this goes, they are gonna be putting a big crack in the dam. What’s happening?

BRNOVICH: Well, we know — we believe that the policy has been used to expel more than 1.7 million migrants, and so we know that as a result of the failed Biden policies more than two million alone have crossed within the last year; so we’re talking about double, essentially double the amount of people. And there are some estimates… We know that they are estimating that once this is lifted, it sends another message that the Biden administration is decriminalizing, incentivizing people coming here.

And it’s anticipated 540,000 people will come here in a month. I mean, that’s literally like the entire population of Baltimore in one month coming into the United States. It’s overwhelming social services; it’s having a detrimental impact on taxpayers. But one of the things I talk about all the time guys, is I was a gang prosecutor. You know, I’ve prosecuted a lot of cases in my life, and the cartels have seized control of our southern border.

They’re enriching themselves. We see the price of drugs falling in everything, or anything crossing that border whether it’s methamphetamine, whether it’s fentanyl or human beings, the cartels are making money off of it and they’re becoming richer and more powerful. So shame on Joe Biden for trying to get rid of one of the few things that’s stopping essentially a catastrophe from becoming an unmitigated disaster that’s gonna essentially destroy this country.

CLAY: You hit on something that I think is key, and I want to expound on it a bit here if we can. That is, this is word of what is changing at our border is going to spread telephone style all throughout Latin America, and the message that is going to be conveyed there is, “Joe Biden is opening up the border; everybody needs to come now.”

So it’s not only the change in our policy; it’s the way that the change in our policy is going to be communicated to everyone in Latin America that is going to create an unprecedented surge. Is that fair, Attorney General Brnovich, to characterize that as likely what is going to happen with this change in American policy?

BRNOVICH: Yeah, absolutely. The president’s actions have consequences. I mean, all you have to do is look at what’s going on right now in Ukraine. As a result of the Biden administration’s hamfisted withdrawal/surrender in Afghanistan as so many people risked their lives and blood and treasurer were spent in Afghanistan — the way he essentially ran — cut tail and ran, left our equipment there — sent a message to the Russians, the Chinese and stuff that America is weak.

There’s a reason why China now is gonna buy oil — or the Saudis are gonna let the Chinese use the yen to buy oil, the reason why Russia went into Ukraine. So these all have consequences what the president is it so when the president of the United States essentially has decriminalized, you know, people coming over; there’s no consequences for it, when he revokes Title 42, there will be absolutely nothing, nothing to stop people from wanting to come into the country illegally.

And I literally last month or about end the end of February was at the U.S. Supreme Court suing the Biden administration over the policy where they want to give the benefits people that are noncitizens. And so this is absolutely crazy. It’s not humane. It’s insane what the Biden administration’s doing. I mean, it literally … This is like one of the few tools we have left is Title 42, and essentially it’s like pouring gasoline onto a fire. That’s what he’s doing.

BUCK: We’re speaking to Attorney General Mark Brnovich of Arizona. And Mr. Attorney General, I want to know if you can just tell everybody, let’s say that the projections right now of a million that would try to cross after Title 42 is lifted over a six- to eight-week period is what I’ve been seeing. If a million people try to cross over in six weeks illegally, what does that do to law enforcement, to the resources we have there, and to the whole immigration process we have?

BRNOVICH: Obviously, the system cannot handle it; it cannot take it. We are already at the breaking point on so many different levels. You know, I don’t know if you guys know. Look,, I’m a first generation American. My parents lived through World War II. They escaped communism. I know why people want to come to this country. The Biden administration wants to spend hundreds of millions of dollars for “root causes.”

The reason why people come here is because the rule of law means something. We have a constitution. We have a system in place where if you follow the rules within you play by the rules, you can get ahead. And what the Biden administration is essentially doing is this ultraprogressive dream of essentially, you know, undermining law enforcement and picking winners and losers when it comes to the law.

And so, yes, the system will be overwhelmed on so many levels, financially. Think about this, guys: Hardworking taxpayers that pay into the safety net. You now have people that have entered the country illegally being put up at hotels. I mean, I know my mom and her friends from church talk all the time about how, like, when they came here, no one put them on planes to go visit their cousins or gave them three square meals a day.

Instead, they had to work three jobs. And so we are a land of immigrants, but we are not the land of the welfare state. We are a land where the rule of law has to mean something, and the Biden administration is systematically undermining that. And so, as I said, they literally have decriminalized it. They’re not deporting people, deportation arduous — which we also sued him on and won a case last week on that issue.

And now they essentially are incentivizing, and there is absolutely nothing to deter people from coming here. So make no mistake about it. The word will get out on the street and now with social media and everything else. People in Central America, South America, all over the world are gonna come to the United States because there’s absolutely no consequences and they’re getting benefits!

Like I said, it’s not humane, it is insane, and what your listeners should really worry about is when we know people on terror watch lists have been apprehended. We know that groups of Iranians have been smuggled in the country. Before the proper officials can vet them and talk to them, they’re being released God knows where, I mean, this literally — I mean, I’m not exaggerating — this literally — people are gonna die as a result of the Biden administration’s policies at our southern border.

CLAY: I don’t think there’s any doubt. How do we get ’em changed? Because here’s my concern. Obviously Biden is in office for the rest of this year, two more years at a minimum, and I know you’ve got a big race going on in Arizona over who potentially could take on Mark Kelly, the senator there. But how do we the change any of this? ‘Cause that’s the most he frustrating part, I think, to many people listening right now. We know exactly what the result of this disastrous policy change is going to be. What sort of recourse do we have?

BRNOVICH: Well, as you alluded to, guys, I am running for the U.S. Senate against Mark Kelly because the tools I’m using in my toolbox that I have are to file lawsuits. And that’s why we’ve sued him over the public charge rule, over his failure to build the wall, over his failure to enforce, you know — or deport people — deportation orders. So the theme of the Biden administration has been lawlessness. And we’ve tried to fight him in the courtroom.

But, frankly, we need people in Washington, D.C. that understand and can be champions for hardworking American taxpayers that can stand up and say, “Wait a minute. This is the consequences of the Biden administration’s actions.” When a hundred thousand people die of fentanyl- and opioid-related diseases in one year because of illegal drugs, that is on the administration’s hands. Shame on Mayorkas. Shame on Vice President Harris. People are dying.

That’s almost twice as many people died during the Vietnam War! So people are paying the price right now. All of our social services already stretched thin. I mean, literally Americans are paying the price for these failed policies not only at the pump and at the grocery store but literally with their lives. And so we need people in Washington, D.C., that understand this issue and that are gonna stand up to Chuck Schumer.

Frankly, I’ll tell you right now, when I’m in the United States Senate, the leading cause of death now in Pima County in Arizona is fentanyl and opioid deaths overdoses for people under 21. People are dying. There should be no nominee for the U.S. Supreme Court, no nominee for any cabinet position/any ambassadorship until we solve our southern border. And if that means standing up every day in the well of the Senate reading off the names of Americans that have died as a result of fentanyl overdoses or a result of cartel violence, then that’s what someone needs to do.

BUCK: Speaking to attorney general of the state of Arizona Mark Brnovich. Before I let you go, Mark, what would a secure border — in terms of the policies, in terms of the decision-making, what would it — look like? What would have to change, how could this be…? We know Biden’s making it worse. How could they make it better or, rather, how could Republicans if they take back control and then of course have to take the White House, but how could they make it better?

BRNOVICH: Well, look at what Donald Trump is doing. If you look at the trend lines and you look at the policies, I’ve been down and I’ve talked to the ranchers in Arizona, the sheriffs, they will tell you the wall is working. It is working. So finish building the wall. Do not create economic incentives, including welfare benefits for people that have come into the country illegally.

Years ago, during the Bush administration, there was something called operation streamline where they surged immigration judges, prosecutors, and agents to the border and they aggressively prosecuted people for illegal reentry. And as a result of that, that dramatically declined the number of people entering the country ’cause they didn’t want a criminal record. And so when you look at even what President Trump did with Title 42, building the wall, deporting people, the Remain in Mexico policy, there’s a system of policies that need to be put into place — and, frankly, just start enforcing the existing law.

CLAY: Attorney general Mark Brnovich of Arizona. Last question for you. Obviously, a ton of attention is paid to Ukraine’s border. You’ve got a large southern border in Arizona. Has Joe Biden our Kamala Harris ever been to Arizona to see what the situation is like at the border, to your knowledge?

BRNOVICH: No, and just so you know, Kamala Harris was the former attorney general of California. I have personally invited her. I’ve asked Mayorkas to come down here; we can brief him and talk to him. Obviously, the president. And we have essentially been told to pound sand. That’s what’s so heartbreaking to me. Whether you’re Republican or Democrat, people need to — especially the law enforcement community — sit and talk and share information, share resources.

Last year just in Arizona nine million illegal fentanyl pills were seized and so, you know, this is something that the state of Arizona or state of Texas, we shouldn’t be bearing the brunt of this. It’s federal government’s responsibility. This is when national security, border security is when the president is at their apex of power.

And I think it’s a tragedy what’s going on in Ukraine, but it demonstrates for everyone here in our country why we need secure borders, why we need to be strong militarily, and why we need to be energy independent and never, ever dependent on Iran, Venezuela, or any other Third World dictator for our energy needs.

CLAY: Outstanding stuff. Appreciate the time, Attorney General Mark Brnovich of Arizona.

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Dr. Makary: The CDC Doesn’t Want to Know the Truth

4 Apr 2022

CLAY: From Johns Hopkins University, Marty Makary, doctor — adviser, I believe, to Glenn Youngkin in Virginia. Dr. Makary, you’ve got a great piece up online in the Wall Street Journal editorial page. I think it will be in the newspaper tomorrow, if I’m not mistaken, ’cause I didn’t see it today when I was reading. But I want to start with this question for you, Doctor. When you see New York City making 2-year-olds to 5-year-olds wear masks — the only people right now in all of New York City that are required to wear masks — your reaction as a doctor is what?

DR. MAKARY: Well, good to be with you guys. My reaction is that it’s the demonstration of a power imbalance. This is an abuse of power — and, by the way, New York is not only ignoring the data that cloth masks do nothing in young folks. By the way, we still don’t know from the CDC if any healthy child has ever died of covid. The CDC can’t tell us.

We think that number is around zero. What are we doing to these kids? Look at the report that just came out last week? One-in-four girls have contemplated suicide last year in America. One-in-10 teenagers say that they’ve been physically abused at home. We’re learning about the cognitive delays. And these were the things we were worried about, that we were talking about at the time and the data is now catching up.

BUCK: Dr. Makary, in your Wall Street Journal piece here, it says — and it’s up at ClayAndBuck.com — “[N]either the CDC nor the National Institutes of Health has made a priority of studying vaccine complications. The CDC isn’t even transparent about its investigations into young people who have died after covid vaccination. A Seattle Children’s Hospital study published in the Journal of Pediatrics March 25 found that 69% of children who presented with myocarditis after the vaccine had late gadolinium enhancement, a related abnormality, in an MRI three to eight months later.”

I mean, that sounds really troubling. I can’t pretend to know exactly what any of that means. What’s going on with that? I mean, it seems like we’re still not getting any real honesty about complications and risks from vaccines as we’re going to shot four and soon shot five.

DR. MAKARY: They don’t want to know what the complications are. That’s obvious. They don’t have a single grant — they don’t have a single research study — looking into this stuff. I mean, the head of the Mayo Clinic vaccine research group was driving home after a second dose and got this debilitating ringing in the ears, which he’s still suffering from, and he’s now calling for more research for vaccine-related complications.

WHO just launched a big study on hearing loss after the vaccines. CDC doesn’t want to know. They have never even told us what happened to Simone Scott and Jacob Clynick and so many other kids that have either died or been disabled immediately after the second dose. Now, look. Older people have health problems all the time, and sometimes it’s hard to correlate.

But when somebody develops a complication — a young, healthy person immediately — after the second dose, hours, that is causal until proven otherwise. They don’t want to hear it. They aren’t looking into it, and they’re really abdicating their responsibility to inform the public about this stuff.

CLAY: Dr. Makary, I’ve got three kids. None of them are getting the covid shot. I think they’ve probably had covid ’cause both my wife and I have had it. If you had young children — if you had 5-year-old, if you had a 7-year-old, you had a 3-year-old, I know that young kids are not yet required or able, I should say, as opposed to required, able to get the covid shot — would you be getting your first grader, your second grader a covid shot as a parent, not even just as a doctor?

DR. MAKARY: Only if they were immunosuppressed or had a comorbidity. Otherwise, if there was an active… You know, if this was a year ago, I might have given them one shot. But look. The data now are pretty clear. We don’t know if any healthy child has ever died of covid in the United States; the CDC can’t tell us. Look at this study last week that Buck just referred to.

Three to eight months after the covid vaccine induced myocarditis, these kids still had MRI abnormalities of a swollen heart? We don’t know what that swelling does long term, because anytime you have inflammation of the heart you get scar tissue that results. What does that scar tissue do to the conduction of the heart? Is it associated with sudden death? We’ve seen EKG changes in that study of kids that come in with myocarditis — and it’s not rare. It’s one in 1800 young males. What are we doing to these kids?

BUCK: We’re speaking to Dr. Marty Makary of Johns Hopkins University Medical Center. Doctor, I saw this. Clay and I have been going back and forth on this. We had Alex Berenson on last week to talk a bit about the data. This from NBC News. So not from RightWingAntiVax.com or something. This is NBC News: “The prevalence of covid-19 in the U.K. has reached record levels, with about 1 in 13 people estimated to be infected with the virus in the past week, according to the latest figures from Britain’s official statistics agency.

“Some 4.9 million people were estimated to have the coronavirus in the week ending March 26…” This is, they say, “driven by the more transmissible omicron variant BA.2, which is the dominant variant across the U.K.” Dr. Makary, what’s going on here? And do you think this is gonna hit the U.S., and is the medical community gonna stopped again with lockdowns, lunacy, and all kinds of overreach?

DR. MAKARY: Well, some parts of the country will, and most of the country is basically saying, “Enough is enough. We’ve been lied to for two years, and at this point, we’re just not gonna listen to you,” and that’s tragic. I think we are gonna see a tiny bump in cases, but it’s like a bump in the common cold that comes every season. And this is a more contagious strain.

So you’re more likely to pick it up when you do this mass testing — you know, everyone has to get tested every week. That’s gonna pick up a lot of these cases, and these are mild or asymptomatic. New York is already freaked out, by the way. They want their kids to stick with the masks. So you’re gonna see this happen now. The battle is not over.

In the fall, I can guarantee if we’re doing as much testing as we’re doing now, we’re gonna see an increase in cases. Our hospitals continue to be empty of people sick with covid. I mean, hospitals across the country — I talk to doctors all the time — virtually empty of patients coming in sick with covid. Instead, we have a lot of incidental positives.

If you test everyone in America for meningococcus, 10% will come back positive. That is, they’ll have evidence of it in their nose. It doesn’t mean they’re sick. It’s just chronically there and we’ve gotta learn to distinguish being sick from covid versus just having it incidentally.

CLAY: Dr. Makary, based on all the data that you see — and you’ve been doing a malice job on this. For our audience out there that isn’t following you on Twitter and hasn’t been reading your articles, I think they’re missing out. So I’d encourage them to follow you and pay attention to what you’ve been putting out there. But based on the data you see, should there be any covid restrictions at all anywhere in the United States at this point in time?

DR. MAKARY: Well, first of all, thanks, Clay, I’m trying my best. It’s tough —

CLAY: You’ve done a fabulous job. You really have.

DR. MAKARY: Thanks. It’s tough competing with Dr. Fauci.

CLAY: (laughing)

DR. MAKARY: By the way, now it just came out that he’s acknowledged natural immunity from flu but not from covid now, incidentally.

CLAY: Yes.

DR. MAKARY: I think we should live our lives. I mean, we have… What influenza? Oh, you know, we don’t care at all about influenza? There’s a lot of these respiratory pathogens and we’ve gotta live our lives. There’s a group of forever maskers that’s emerging, and I think we gotta live our lives. This idea that you gotta boost yourself every three months for the rest of your life? We call it the infinity booster. I mean, if it were up to Pfizer maybe you should get a vaccine every Monday morning. It would make the shareholders happy.

BUCK: Dr. Makary, are you hearing from other medical personnel out there, other doctors, scientists, et cetera, that they realize now more than ever that the plan really does…? The Fauciite plan is, shots every three to four months for everybody forever?

DR. MAKARY: All kinds of doctors with coming out. They used to give us, you know, secret praise, a bunch of us doctors speaking out, they would reach out and say, you know, “I can’t say anything at my hospital, I’ll get in trouble or my communications office is on my back or I gotta get promoted or I get funding from NIH or I’m applying to the NIH. I can’t say anything. But you keep going.”

Well, now they’re coming out. Now they’re saying look, we sunk a hundred million people worldwide into poverty. We just destroyed a generation of young children in terms of their development, and we’ve got all this non-covid excess mortality that we’re starting to unpack. They’re starting to come out. You’re seeing it now with the booster issue. You know, the FDA bypassed their experts to authorize the fourth dose.

They also gave Pfizer more than what they asked for. Pfizer applied for the fourth dose in people over 65; the FDA gave it to them for people over 50. I mean, when does the FDA give you more than you apply for? And very funny is going on, and I think a lot of doctors are seeing how pharma basically has a hammer lock on American medicine — on the journals, on the institutions — and the White House and Big Pharma think that the FDA belongs to them. But it doesn’t.

BUCK: Dr. Makary, thanks so much.

CLAY: Fabulous stuff.

BUCK: We really appreciate it as always. Please come back. We’ll be talking to you more about this one, hopefully next time at least the masks will be off the toddlers here in New York City, but I’m not gonna hold my breath. Thanks, Doc.

DR. MAKARY: Thanks.

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Kamala Continues to Prove She’s Not Ready to Be President

4 Apr 2022

BUCK: Kamala Harris, who is supposed to be ready at a moment’s notice — I mean, her job is to be ready, one heartbeat away from the presidency, one heartbeat away from being the commander-in-chief — and this is the kind of response you get from Kamala when she’s asked whether Putin should stay in power.

BUCK: Clay, she never even answered the question and what this reminds us is, she never does the reading, so to speak. She just never has done the reading.

CLAY: She is so bad that she has been gifted an unbelievable opportunity. Biden’s a disaster. If she were any good at all, they’d be talking about elevating her. She’s so bad they won’t do it. They’re gonna make him serve out his term.

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