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Adams Fires Lawyer Mom Who Stood Up to Him on Masks

5 Apr 2022

BUCK: In New York City, we still have a mask mandate in place for toddlers — or a renewed mask mandate, I should say, for toddlers. Now, Eric Adams said he was gonna unmask the kids. But apparently, he didn’t mean all the kids. He said he would initially last month — the new mayor of New York City, who is Democrat, of course, said he would — lift the mandate for under 5-year-olds on April 4th going forward.

On April 1st he announced a delay because of an increase in covid cases, you know, here in New York or worldwide or whatever, combination thereof. An attorney for New York City’s law department, Daniela Jampel, confronted Eric Adams at a press conference about this and she asked some very… Isn’t it fascinating? An enraged private citizen has to actually do the job of the press because the local New York press are a bunch of straight-up commies. I mean, they’re even to the left of the New York Times.

CLAY: I would rather have to answer questions from the media than mad moms. Because I’ll tell you this right now. The mama bear universe out there when their kids are not being treated fairly, they will tear these politicians limb from limb. And this is why I say with the midterms coming up, we’ve got a lot of women listening to this show right now.

There’s still a lot of women out there that aren’t necessarily aware of all the data surrounding masking. We gotta have moms talking to moms. If you have more conversations about what’s going on. But listen to this audio, because I think it’s going to make a lot of moms out there furious because this woman loses her job.

BUCK: So this is Daniela Jampel asking Eric Adams during a press conference — she just showed up and asked questions. This is how it went.

JAMPEL: Ten days ago, you stood right here, and you said that the masks would come off on April 4th. That has not happened. You reneged on your promise and not only did you renege on your promise, you had your lawyers race to court on Friday night to overturn a state court ruling.

ADAMS: No, no, no, no. Let her finish ’cause you let her start. Go ahead and finish, ma’am. Okay?

JAMPEL: You had your lawyers race to court on Friday night arguing that there would be irreparable harm if children under five were allowed to take off their masks today, along with their older siblings in school. So my questions are, “What is the irreparable harm to children aged 2 to 4 taking off their masks just as they do in Long Island, just as they do in Westchester? And when will you unmask our toddlers?”

BUCK: That’s checkmate right there. She’s got him. He is in the corner and there is no escape from this one. It takes a woman — as you say, an angry mama bear here whose kid is gonna have to go through the abuse of stupid masking all day — to finally push him on this. Clay, it’s all true. A judge on Staten Island vacated this and Adams immediately sent his lawyers in on a Friday night to bring it to an appellate judge to get it stayed so they could keep masking up kids, like a psycho.

CLAY: For people who are not familiar necessarily with the geography of New York City, first of all, that mom did a fantastic job with that question. Bravo to her. Okay? Second, Buck, you know the New York City area really well. Long Island and Westchester, the two areas that she cited, are basically rich suburban areas, by and large, right? There are all sorts of different communities there, but Westchester is very wealthy, Long Island as well.

BUCK: Huge commuter populations in both.

CLAY: All of the kids there don’t have to wear masks.

BUCK: Yep.

CLAY: Right? So she is pointing out wherever you live, if you live in suburban area of a city, the idea that the kids in New York City are being held to a different standard than kids just a little bit away in the suburbs is absurd. It doesn’t make any scientific sense at all. But that’s what she’s citing. Like, if you live in L.A., Orange County having a different rule within; if you live where I live in Nashville, Franklin, Brentwood, having a different rule. This is going on all over the country and so props to her.

BUCK: She got in a few good shots, and the one that you just mentioned but also the notion that the lawyers presented in court of irreparable harm.

CLAY: I know.

BUCK: Oh, my gosh. If we don’t mask up those kids on Monday who are age 2 to 5 and no other kids, by the way, and no adults being masked up and nowhere else in life are they masked, there will be irreparable harm?

CLAY: Yes.

BUCK: These people who make these arguments are power mad lunatics or they’re so emotionally crippled by Fauciism that they cannot be involved in any decision-making of any kind going forward. Here is mayor Eric Adams trying to respond to Daniela Jampel. Play clip 4.

ADAMS: As I stated, as you indicated, I made the announcement that we were looking to announce today, which is Monday, to take the mask off to two to four years old, but I also stated if we see an uptick, we will come back and make the announcement of what we’re going to do. We’re going to pivot and shift as covid is pivot and shifted. There’s a new variant. The numbers are increasing. We’re going to move at the right pace, and that’s the role I must do. That’s what I stated. I’m living up to my promises.

BUCK: No. I’m sorry, no. We’re gonna pivot and shift and pivot and shift. How about come to the obvious recognition that all the data actually shows if you look at it that none of the stupid crap that they did in New York, in L.A., in Chicago, in name a city — name anyplace, name any town that did any of this stuff — it never worked. It never did a thing, they’ve never shown even the slightest bit of statistical improvement as a result of these policies.

I don’t know… I don’t know if Eric Adams is just, if he’s a coward, if he doesn’t know any better, if he’s just not good at his job. A lot of these things, people are probably saying maybe all of the above. But what is wrong with people? There’s no good-faith argument you should only be masking…

That’s three years of a possible, you know, hundred of a person’s life span, roughly, or, you know, 77 or whatever the age — you know, the average age life span is. Three years they mask and that’s it? And they’re the least at risk? I mean, Clay, it’s so stupid that it almost defies belief.

CLAY: Amen on all that. And I just to want reemphasize and I want to praise this mom, Daniela Jampel, she was fired. You had the question that she asked. Respectful, laced with facts and data, certainty. Everything she laid out is actually what a journalist should be doing. This woman has two little kids, two daughters, and she is just fired up about the mask mandate and how little sense it makes.

She was fired less than an hour after that question that we just played for you. Think about that. And, by the way, we have reached out — and I hope she’s gonna say yes. Our staff reached out to her and invited her to come on this radio program. She is as you can well imagine overwhelmed by the fact that she was fired within an hour of asking that question, probably sitting around trying to figure out what to do.

She’s a mom of two who is fighting for all of your kids, if you live in New York City, to not have to wear masks ’cause it makes no sense. And so she did a phenomenal job on this question. We want to make sure that she is praised. If you are a mom or a dad out there, I think you all have to stand up for each other regardless even if you disagree with her, Buck. That’s a very legitimate question to ask the mayor of New York City. She’s doing what concerned citizens should be doing.

BUCK: So can I also point out that this all occurred at a press conference the mayor of in New York City — which is still a mess, and he hasn’t improved at all. But the mayor of New York City called a press conference about how they’re running a campaign that the, you know, LGBTQ community. We gotta come up with a faster way of saying this, by the way. Can we just…? Whatever the…

Anyway, it’s that they can say anything in New York. “Come to New York where you can say anything,” Clay, is the actual pitch that was being made at this press conference by the mayor. It turns out no you actually can’t say anything in New York. You can’t ask the mayor an obvious question about why he’s being an idiot. You certainly can’t show up in New York and say there — hat tip my friend Ann Coulter — are only two genders. Not allowed to say that in New York. You get in a lot of trouble.

CLAY: By the way, she has three kids. I misspoke there, three young children, and she said that she’s gonna be exploring litigation which is maybe one reason why she doesn’t want to speak to us. I would just say this. You have the law and, more important, actual decency on your side. I think you need to speak out as widely and loudly as you possibly can.

She, I hope, will come on this show. But if she doesn’t, she needs to talk to as many different media sources as possible because, Buck, you go to a lot of press conferences; you hear a lot of questions. Where does that question that she asked of Mayor Adams… If you just rank it in terms of questions that have been asked to a politician, 99.9 percentile in terms of the quality of question, the data backing up behind it? That’s way better… If you listen to White House press conference briefings and everything else, this is way better than the vast majority of questions that are ever asked to politicians.

BUCK: And yet she’s asking something that is really obvious. But any of the other people — except, I mean, there are probably some New York Post people there, there are few people that, you know, from the conservative or right leaning media that would be willing to ask a real question of the Democrat mayor. But if you work for NY1 — which is the local news channel here in New York, only does local stuff.

It’s all about unionization of this school somewhere or whatever. Anyway, it’s not a huge ratings draw. If you work for any of the local papers and you question the mayor about masking kids, you’re gonna go back to your newsroom, you’re gonna go back to your office and you’re gonna get people staring at you, stink-eyeing you, and maybe even suffer professional consequences. That’s the reality of journalism in New York and in Democrat precincts all across the country.

CLAY: Fired within an hour, mom of three, for asking why her young kids have to be wearing masks. If you are a mom and you are listening to us right now, how in the world can you support politically the party that would lead to a mom getting fired for asking a scientific-based question about why her young children have to be the only people wearing masks?

Just think about that. Just think about that, and I want that to be feeding your thoughts, and I want to you to be sharing these kind of clips and these kind of discussions with other moms as we move closer toward the midterm and you are out there fighting for your kids and their freedom.

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Sen. Johnson Tees Off on the Hunter Biden Story and More

5 Apr 2022

CLAY: We are joined now by Senator Ron Johnson of the great state of Wisconsin. And, Senator Johnson, I’ve been watching some of the videos that you’ve been putting out surrounding this Hunter Biden scandal. And so pretty simple question for you right off the top. Based on what you have seen, the evidence that you have seen surrounding Hunter Biden’s behavior, do you believe he should be charged with felonies for that behavior?

SEN. JOHNSON: I’m not a lawyer. I’m not a prosecutor. So, it’s not really my job to really determine the legality of it. Just from the standpoint of tax law, I would think probably most American citizens would be, you know, in deep trouble with the IRS at a minimum. But regardless whether it’s legal or illegal, what this has shown is not only corruption within the Biden family, okay?

It’s shown deep corruption in our federal agencies, law enforcement, intelligence agencies, also deep corruption in our news media. This is serious business here. It’s way beyond just the national security threat with the fact that our president is compromised because of this vast web of foreign financial entanglements — which, by the way, Senator Grassley and I tried to warn people about that.

It was widely ignored by the media, and there’s part of that corruption I’m talking about. And, of course, in particular those 51 former intelligence agency officials that came out with their letter that said it has all the earmarks — that Hunter Biden has all the earmarks — of a Russian information operation. Their letter was a disinformation operation. That was disinformation right there designed to really interfere with the election.

What they did, what those 51 intelligence agencies operatives did as well as the complicit media, they interfered in the 2020 election to a far greater extent than anything Russia ever could have hoped to accomplish. People need to understand the severity, how egregious their conduct was.

BUCK: Senator Johnson, speaking of election interference, as we know, the social media platforms pushed that Hunter Biden story out of public view, suppressed it with everything they had. I’m sure you’ve seen the news about Elon Musk taking a big stake in Twitter and now as of today it’s announced he will be on the board. Do you think that this is going to bring about major change and are we actually gonna start to have a digital public square where people can really share ideas?

SEN. JOHNSON: Well, that is an interesting move. I’ve never met Elon Musk. He seems to be a pretty intriguing individual, to say the least. You know, obviously brilliant in so many different areas. So he certainly has been pushing for freedom of speech, for transparency, and so I look forward to seeing what kind of impact he’ll have on Twitter. All I can say is, I obviously use Twitter. You kind of have to. Most of the comments coming back at me are just nasty. (chuckles) So —

BUCK: You’re not alone there, Senator. You should see the mentions that Clay gets. Clay’s mentions, my mentions. You know, if I tell you somebody, “I don’t like soy milk,” all of a sudden everybody is telling me to go jump off a bridge with a lot of expletives.

SEN. JOHNSON: Yeah. My wife —

CLAY: Do you check yourself, ever, Senator? Like, I’m always curious, like, you’re obviously one of a hundred senators. Do you ever go into the mention like late-night and just scroll through and read what people are saying, or do you try to mostly ignore it, and just use it as a megaphone to share whatever you think and not really pay attention to what’s comes back?

SEN. JOHNSON: Yeah, I’m not a real masochist from that standpoint. My wife does pay attention to it. That’s why I say, she goes, “Why did you do that? Why do you use Facebook?” Everything’s like 99.9% negative and nasty, you know. Again — by the way, is that just — is that just the liberal mind-set? I always view conservatives, we’ve got a got a sense of humor.

I listen to your show. We actually laugh. We laugh at ourselves. We laugh at life. We love life. Liberals just seem to be just angry and nasty, and certainly that’s how they come across on social media, like, no sense of humor at all, just perpetually angry.

CLAY: Speaking of which, this is actually funny, not intentional. I’m sure you saw it. I think it was Jennifer Rubin had a Washington Post editorial where she said (summarized), “Oh, you know what? The economy is great except for inflation,” and I know you. You’re in Wisconsin. You got a lot of people that are dealing with high gas prices, soaring inflation.

What are your constituents saying? Not the ones who are screaming at you on Facebook and Twitter, but the ones that you actually meet face-to-face about the inflation challenges, gas prices, what you’re seeing on the ground all over Wisconsin and, frankly, around the country as well?

SEN. JOHNSON: Well, first of all, businesses, their number one complaint continues to be they can’t hire enough people. So that just certainly sparks the supply dislocation.

BUCK: But, Senator, why is that? Why are they having trouble? You talk to the business community. I just want to know. Why are they saying they can’t find people? I think people need to hear this. Why can’t they get the workers they need?

SEN. JOHNSON: We’ve really had a worker shortage, particularly manufacturing for quite some time. First of all, we tell all our kids you have to get a four-year degree, so you don’t have people wanting to I guess dirty their hands in manufacturing. They don’t want to build things anymore. That’s one problem. We just don’t have a high enough birthrate to produce the increase in our labor force that we’re gonna need to grow our economy 3%.

We need a functioning legal immigration system. So we just don’t have enough workers but it’s being exacerbated by tell me policies. Printed all these dollars, right? The Fed has added $9 trillion to its balance sheet — which means that’s how many dollars they printed — chasing too few goods and we’re spending those dollars on programs making it possible for people not to enter the workforce.

So we’ve got somewhere between five and 10, 11 million jobs unfilled. Every time I hear, you know, the month end jobs report, you know, X-number of jobs created? No. That’s the number of jobs filled. We still have millions of jobs going unfilled, and again we’re paying people through these programs; that makes it easy for them just to stay on the sidelines.

So it’s literally a triple whammy. You engage in a war on fossil fuels, you cancel things like the Keystone XL pipeline which a shot across the bow announcing their war on fossil fuels — in other words, their desire to increase energy prices. You increase energy prices, print way too many dollars chasing too few goods and you encourage people not to enter the workforce having even fewer goods. Triple whammy. It didn’t just happen that’s Democrat policies, and I hope Americans are paying attention.

BUCK: Speaking to Senator Ron Johnson of Wisconsin. Senator, you may have seen. I think it’s Deutsche Bank is the first major U.S. bank to forecast a recession next year, and billionaire investor Ray Dalio is saying he expects the Biden administration is gonna send America back to the 1970s and a period of stagflation. Recession, stagflation, these are things folks don’t want to hear. Do you think that’s where we’re heading, and do you think there’s anything can be done to avert those things?

SEN. JOHNSON: Well, check the audio sound tape. I’ve been predicting stagflation for well over a year. When the Democrats passed their partisan $1.9 trillion “covid relief package,” and don’t even spend $700 billion of it till the out years. I’ve been warning about having the witch’s brew of ingredients create stagflation. I’m talking to businesspeople on the ground.

I started a business in ’79, the end of Carter stagflation, where price increases were not only expected, they were readily accepted. And then for the next 30 years, it was like pulling a teeth getting a price increase. Over the last year, it’s again price increases are expected and accepted. People are ordering things like construction supplies.

They don’t even know when they’re gonna get it; they don’t know when they do get it what the price is gonna be. So this is an awful situation for businesses to grow. So, no. I’ve been concerned about stagflation. It doesn’t surprise me people are essentially predicting recession, but it shouldn’t be this way! There is so much pent-up demand. There’s so much money sloshing around the economy.

You know, savings are up tremendously, like last time I saw, something like 1.6, $1.7 trillion in increased savings. There’s no reason for this economy to go into recession other than really bad economic policies, overregulation, threats of over-taxation and just again, increase in the cost of energy. This doesn’t just happen. It’s caused by really bad Democrat policies.

CLAY: Speaking of bad Democratic policies, the worst bureaucrat in the history of American civilization, I think, Dr. Fauci, recent said that he thinks we may have to bring back masks. Your reaction, you Senator Johnson.

SEN. JOHNSON: Well, what I thought was real interesting what he just recently said, they dug up the video where he’s admitting that the best way to become immune is to get infected.

CLAY: Oh yeah.

SEN. JOHNSON: And yet he denied the benefit of natural immunity for how many years? But listen. I don’t know why anybody would listen to Anthony Fauci or, quite honestly, anybody in our federal health agencies, which is really sad. We really ought to be able to rely on them to have integrity, but they haven’t been honest, they haven’t been transparent.

But you look at his mismanagement of our covid response: 975,000 dead Americans, six million globally, the human toll of the economic devastation of these very ill-advised, widespread shutdowns, what we’ve done to our children. What we’ve done to our children: A year’s lost learning. I think I know what you guys think of masks. But I’ll tell you one group of people that masks will never work on: Children. Have you seen them wear them? They’re on their chin, on top of their heads. We knew that from the start and yet in New York they’re stale making, what, 2 to 4-year-olds wear masks?

CLAY: That’s right.

SEN. JOHNSON: This is a travesty and it’s all been brought to you by people like Anthony Fauci. He is the lead cheerleader for this miserable failure of a covid response. So, you know, God, I hope people stop listening to him.

BUCK: Senator, before we let you did go — we’re speaking to Senator Ron Johnson of Wisconsin — some optimism if the folks listening across the country. We’re in a midterm election year. What is your optimistic case?

SEN. JOHNSON: That we take back the Senate and the House, and we have to. We just have to. We have to stop the Biden agenda and then we’ve got to develop our plan. We’ve got a list our top three to five priorities and what we will do if we win in 2022, and we actually have to craft the legislation so we have it ready. This I think requires transparency on the part of Republicans.

We need to be very up front: This is what we will do if you give us the governing power so that when we have those governing powers. Not like what happened with Obamacare. We actually are able to implement it, but we have a mandate to do so. So I completely support people like Rick Scott, who listed out his agenda. I would like to have one coming from Congress, the House and Senate together, Republicans.

This is what we would say do; and hopefully we’d have a presidential candidate who would embrace a very common-sense agenda starting with energy independence, and we stop this out-of-control deficit spending. We have reasonable regulations; we have a competitive tax system. There’s four of them right there, okay? That ought to be an agenda we should be able to win on and then implement, if elected.

BUCK: Senator Johnson of Wisconsin. Thanks so much, sir. Good to have you on.

SEN. JOHNSON: Stay well. Take care.

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Three GOP Senators are Down with KBJ

5 Apr 2022

CLAY: There are now three Republicans… I think, Buck, you got it right when you said that you thought three Republicans would ultimately end up voting for Ketanji Brown Jackson.

BUCK: Not quite Nashville Nostradamus level, but pretty good.

CLAY: Pretty good. Two of the three make sense — and let me explain what I mean by that. Susan Collins in Maine has a perspective that has been consistent and that I respect, and that perspective in general is, “I am going to give deference to the president in general, and the Senate’s job is to advise and consent and look over the nominees, but not to say, ‘Hey, we’re only going to support people who agree a hundred percent with us.'”

And to Susan Collins’ credit, she stepped up and supported Brett Kavanaugh when there was immense pressure on her not to support Brett Kavanaugh and really, when she won reelection — against Cohen, I believe, is who was running against her — the expectation was she was gonna lose. She won comfortably. Maine trusts Susan Collins to make the right decisions.

So, I respect the consistency of the principle of Susan Collins when it comes to giving deference to the president whether he’s a Republican or a Democrat and voting for — most of the time — the nominee. Lisa Murkowski, senator from Alaska, is in a tough reelection battle right now, and I believe she is making a political calculation that she’s more likely to win if she supports Ketanji Brown Jackson.

That’s less noble to me. I also think that Murkowski got it one billion percent wrong when she voted against Brett Kavanaugh. That, to me, is reason enough not to be a big fan of her. If I’m an Alaskan voter, I would not be pleased with this decision. She’s been a bit erratic in terms of whether she’s gonna support or not support nominees. She ultimately voted for Amy Coney Barrett. So I’m less impressed by Murkowski, but again, she’s in the middle of an election. The person that I’m disgusted by, Buck, is Mitt Romney.

BUCK: (chuckles) That’s the right word.

CLAY: I am utterly disgusted with Mitt Romney, and it’s not just about this vote, Buck. In the last few weeks, Mitt Romney has said, “I’m voting for Ketanji Brown Jackson.” This one got me way angrier. He voted against repealing the TSA mask mandate, Buck. He was the only senator on the Republican side… Remember there were 57 votes, seven Democrats, or eight Democrats, whatever it was, actually were willing to vote against the TSA mask mandate.

Credit to those Democrats for getting that right. Mitt Romney got that a hundred percent wrong. Remember, Buck, he said, “I’m going to defer to the experts,” even though the experts have deponent almost everything wrong. He didn’t show up to vote on defunding the Biden vaccine mandate — this was a big vote. He wouldn’t even manage to make it there — and remember, he also accused Tulsi Gabbard of treason for opposing war in Ukraine.

Greg Price did a good job of putting all those things together of cowardice, in my opinion, from Mitt Romney. If I’m a Utah voter right now, Buck, I am done with this dude; I want him out of office. I think that he is so concerned now with the New York Times editorial board, writing something nice about him — and also when he dies one day that his obituary in the New York Times is gonna be nice. I think he is a fraud. I think he is a chump. I think that he is everything that is wrong with people get so obsessed with the intelligentsia liking him that they don’t stand up on principle anymore.

BUCK: And he was the Republican nominee for president in 2012, everybody.

CLAY: Yeah. Yep.

BUCK: Just when we talk about the GOP and some of its failings, just remember this was the guy… I mean, I voted for him, so there was that. You know, which now I say out loud I go, “Ew.” But I felt was the better choice at the time. He actually was pretty good back then on border issues, believe it or not. He was a big E-Verify guy.

So there were some things that I could point to and say, “Well, Mitt was better than the alternative.” But, Clay, there is a specific Republican malady, a specific GOP psychological defect whereby people get into elected office and — as you pointed out with the New York Times — they are so quick to stab their own side in the back with just the most meager pat on the head from the Democrat elites.

Just some crumbs from the table of Vanity Fair, and all of a sudden, they forget about why they got there in the first place, what they promised to do for the electorate. There are some other Republicans senators that I’m sure people are thinking about in this context too. By the way, good historical context there from Murkowski. For me, unforgivable for a Republican to have voted against Kavanaugh.

CLAY: I agree.

BUCK: Unforgivable.

CLAY: We got a lot of people who listen in Alaska, Buck. I wouldn’t vote for her. I know she’s got challenger who’s an actual Republican.

BUCK: Yeah.

CLAY: She’s trying to run basically as an independent, and Alaska does have a strong independent streak so parties are less significant.

BUCK: We should dig into who her primary challenger is, or who the other Republican is in that race, because that is a total no go. If you’re Republican and you voted against Kavanaugh you’re no longer, as far as I’m concerned, you shouldn’t be in elective office, at least not as a Republican and not even as an independent. I think that’s outrageous.

So then you get to Collins, which she’s gonna be in a tough one. And here’s the thing, right? You have a likelihood here of a big wave in the House. Senate is a trickier game. And, you know, we gotta play strategically on the right so that we wouldn’t end up… I mean, if you have a Joe Biden last two years of term one — assuming of course he’s gonna stay in for the last two and not step down — you have the House in control, that’s helpful.

You have the House and the Senate in Republican hands; Joe Biden’s just sitting there getting ready to figure out what the… I would say for reelection, but who knows what the plan’s actually gonna be. The Senate map is not super good for Republicans going into this midterm. It’s not gonna be an easy one. You might end up, you know, maybe we get…

If we get a two- or three-seat swing, that would be pretty solid I think for the GOP give an what the map actually looks like. So if we get 53-47 — make sure my math is right there — that would be good. Obviously in the House, I’ve said 50 plus. We gotta go 50 plus. So Susan Collins, I’ll give a pass to. But with Mitt Romney? Clay, Mitt Romney went marching with BLM with his mask on outside.

I guess when you’re worth hundreds of millions of dollars because you basically levered up and looted a bunch of companies with Bain Private Equity back in the day — when you’ve done that — money doesn’t really appeal to you anymore, principle doesn’t really appeal to you anymore, you don’t want to be in the fight. You want people in prominent positions to like you, and that’s the disease that Republicans have, some of them.

CLAY: It’s so pathetic. Again, I give credit to Susan Collins for standing on principle as it pertains to these votes. And again, I’m still fired up — as we just talked about — with Lisa Murkowski. I think she’s made poor decisions. Again, if I’m in Alaska I don’t want her to be my senator, based on what she did with Kavanaugh. But at least she’s been inconsistent, right — and that’s not a praise.

But she’s a unreliable in terms of how she’s going to respond. But for Mitt Romney? He’s not up for reelection. To your point, Buck, he’s got hundreds of millions of dollars. If it’s just this I would say, “Okay, whatever.” But to not be opposed to a mask mandate on airlines, to not stand up and vote against the Biden vaccine mandate, to be willing to turn your back like that on the vast majority of your constituents, on the vast majority of Republicans across the country that are fighting for freedom? I find this guy detestable now. I really do find Mitt Romney to be a detestable person.

BUCK: It’s cheap, false virtue that he’s after, and it really is the equivalent of some of these former Republicans who run over to MSNBC — and maybe they still call themselves Republican or maybe they call themselves independent — and all they do is go on air to trash the side that they supposedly support and represent or did at some point. It’s pathetic. There’s a reason why, you know, the betrayers and the traitors are in the final circle of hell in Dante’s Inferno, right?

There’s just something so unseemly about being that who turns on your own side for the amusement of those who despise you. The left hates Mitt Romney. They don’t like Mitt Romney. They’re not gonna say he’s a good guy for this or whatever; but there’s some people that I guess are on the right — there’s a little, tiny percentage — that are taken in by this and think that Mitt’s standing on principle. No, he’s doing this because then he gets… It’s just all ego driven. He’s just hurting the cause, and for what?

CLAY: He has no future in the Republican Party. And here’s my concern, Buck. It could end up 51-49, and Mitt Romney could be regularly siding with Joe Biden and the Democrats to get them to 50 so Kamala can break ties. Right? He could be for the Republican Party, if the Republicans are in the majority —

BUCK: Think of those sweet, sweet editorials the Washington Post about how Mitt Romney’s a maverick and how he’s cementing his legacy and the Romney brand is separate from the tainted Trump. We can play the whole thing out right now.

CLAY: That’s what I’m afraid of, because to your point now on the Senate map you could end up 51-49 and Romney could be the Republican who is like Joe Manchin is to the Democrats right now: A guy who is willing to buck his own party. The difference is, Joe Manchin is representing a state that voted for Donald Trump by a larger margin than any state in the country. So arguably he needs to be serving his constituents by not being a dyed-in-the-wool Democrat all the time. Mitt Romney represents Utah.

BUCK: Utah! Yeah.

CLAY: Maybe historically the strongest Republican state almost in the country, right?

BUCK: Utah, Wyoming, maybe one or two others in the conversation. Yeah.

CLAY: So he has zero pressure, and in fact — we could probably open up the phones right now — I’m sure that there are a lot of Utah listeners right now who are furious. We’re number one in Salt Lake City, Buck. There’s tons of you listening right now in Salt Lake City and be and I bet you guys are as disgusted with Mitt Romney. Again, it’s not one vote.

BUCK: Yes.

CLAY: It’s the series of votes that he has had or failed to make over the past several weeks which have been a repudiation of much of the Republican agenda.

BUCK: I think it’s important, too, because the pattern here is such a clear indicator because one time you could say, “All right, maybe his principles… I disagree with him, but maybe his principles in this one instance that just happened to get him the pat on the head from the New York Times editorial board or whomever, maybe.” Time after of time? I think he’s got an addiction; he loves those crumbs from the Vanity Fair lib table.

CLAY: Let’s also mention, by the way, Buck, he voted against Ketanji Brown Jackson to be on the D.C. Circuit. So what did he see that made him change his mind? This is an important detail, for people out there. You vote as a senator for the elevation to circuit courts and district courts and everything else. Mitt Romney opposed Ketanji Brown Jackson on the D.C. Circuit.

And then after that testimony, after actually rigorously examining her record, he decided that he was wrong to support her for the D.C. Circuit? This is the flip side of Lindsey Graham, right? Lindsey Graham voted for Ketanji Brown Jackson the D.C. Circuit, said, “Upon reflection, I don’t think that she belongs on the Supreme Court. I’m okay with her being on a circuit court.

“I don’t think that she belongs on the Supreme Court.” Mitt Romney didn’t think that she belonged on the circuit court, which is a less serious job, but he thinks she belongs on the more serious job of the Supreme Court? It’s completely illogical. He’s an imbecile — and I, frankly, find him quite contemptible.

BUCK: Yes.

CLAY: A little bit of fire and brimstone to start off your morning if you’re on the West Coast and to start off your day if you’re on the East Coast.

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Ignorant Pete Buttigieg Doesn’t Understand How Gas Prices Work

5 Apr 2022

BUCK: Here is Pete Buttigieg — whose qualifications for the role of transportation secretary involved running the city of South Bend, Indiana, poorly, from friends of mine who actually live in that city. Here he is saying that the real problem here is company executives, gas company, oil company executives refusing to produce more. Play 22.

BUTTIGIEG: So when the president took this action to release those barrels of oil from the strategic reserve, that is one of the things that’s going to help stabilize oil prices. Obviously, there’s no one piece, there’s no one dial that controls those prices. But that’s something that’s gonna make an impact. So are some of the other steps that have been taken. And, you know, frankly, a lot of this also is something where we’ve gotta look at:

The oil company executives who say they’re not gonna add supply or production right now and ask whether that’s really the right direction to go at a time like this. Can’t help but notice that when oil goes up, gas goes up right, uh — right with it, right alongside it. But when those oil prices start coming back down to normal, the same thing does not seem to be happening with gas prices. We gotta look at that and we gotta address it.

BUCK: I think he’s really ignorant. I honestly think he doesn’t understand how these things work. It’s amazing he was a management consultant, Clay.

CLAY: Yeah. Look. This is, I think, kind of important. Gas stations don’t make very much money on gas, right? They might make 10 cents a gallon or so. Most of the money that gas stations make is off of their convenience store. That’s why they want you to come inside and buy coffee or buy a newspaper or buy a treat. That’s where they make their profit margin. So this idea…

First of all, let’s not underrate what’s going on here. Mayor Pete is now lecturing oil and gas companies for not producing enough oil and gas, while the Biden administration’s entire game plan upon taking office was, “We have to limit the amount of oil and gas that we are creating, because it creates challenges for the climate.” Make no mistake about what he’s doing. (laughs) Just like Colin Kaepernick, he’s having both sides of the equation here. The hypocrisy is staggering that he thinks he’s gonna get away with this and most of the media allow him to.

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Colin Kaepernick Begs to Be an NFL Slave Again

5 Apr 2022

CLAY: This came out over the weekend. Colin Kaepernick begged, essentially, for a job in the NFL. And I understand people out there are like, “I don’t like Colin Kaepernick. I don’t know why you continue to make him a story. He’s just cashing in off all the name recognition.” It’s true, but I do think, Buck, we have an obligation to call out rampant hypocrisy and fraud, particularly when it’s being propagated by the media as a whole.

So in October Colin Kaepernick… He’s got like eight different documentaries now that he’s doing, even though they can’t ever do an interview. Colin Kaepernick had a documentary up on Netflix. He got paid the millions of dollars for it. The NFL Draft is gonna be at the end of this month. Buck, you know the NFL Draft. Everybody — white, black, Asian, Hispanic, whatever your background is — it’s basically a big job interview.

You go and prove how strong you are, how fast you are. And if you impress NFL teams, they will sign you to multimillion-dollar contract. Well, Colin Kaepernick in his Netflix special said that the NFL Draft and the NFL in general is just modern-day slavery. I can’t believe this actually aired anywhere, much less Netflix paying millions of dollars for it. But we have a cut from that October documentary. I want to play that for you, and I want to listen to this.

KAEPERNICK: What they don’t want you to understand is what’s being established is a power dynamic. Before they put you on the field, teams poke, prod and examine you searching for any defect that might affect your performance. No boundary respected. No dignity left intact.

BUCK: “No dignity left intact”?

CLAY: What the do…? You saw this video, right? They turn NFL players — who are walking around being measured, height, weight, all this stuff, they turn them — into slaves on an auction block. And that is what the visual is as Colin Kaepernick is talking there.

BUCK: It seems there is nothing that is too insane, as long as it’s left-wing for Netflix to put on and to promote and to pay a lot of money for. Let me also note that the establishing a relationship where there are certain expectations. Yeah, I mean, everybody who has ever been employed by any company or any business, you send them a resume, you sit down, they ask you questions. They are judging you.

CLAY: Yes.

BUCK: In the case of professional sports, you are being judged for a physical endeavor that will make you a multimillionaire celebrity. So it’s a pretty remarkable thing for Colin Kaepernick to get away with this. But, you know, this guy, he has been able to do it. Up until now, it’s been nothing but upside for him financially and professionally.

CLAY: So if you want to argue that the NFL is modern-day slavery, there are certainly a lot of attacks that can be made against that argument. The fact that you’re a multimillionaire, as Buck just pointed out. The fact that it’s voluntary. The fact that everyone — white, black, Asian, Hispanic, whatever your background is — is all treated the exact same. The fact that if you decide you don’t want to do it anymore, you can hold out; you can decide to retire. I don’t remember, Buck, a lot of slaves back in the day be like, “Hey, I’m gonna hold out for more money.” You couldn’t because you were a slave! (laughing) All of this is crazy.

BUCK: If I could run a 4.4 40 and bench press 400 pounds — I’m getting there, but if I could do these things — and was an amazing wide receiver or whatever, yeah, I would let them poke, prod, question, measure, all the things in the hopes of getting a $10 million-a-year contract to be a celebrated national superstar? Yeah, I would do that. So that’s why —

CLAY: I bet there’s a lot of people listening to us right now that regardless what they do for a living, they might be willing — they might be willing — to audition for a job that guarantees them millions of dollars, celebrity, and basically everything that you could want from a consumerist perspective, right? And, oh, by the way, it is voluntary. If you decide you don’t like it, you could walk away. So that’s a bad argument, right? It’s a really bad argument. It can be ridiculed.

But what’s amazing about Colin Kaepernick is, he didn’t even stick to that argument for six months. He was at the University of Michigan over the weekend, and he begged for a chance to come back and play in the NFL. In October, Buck, on Netflix he’s saying, “It’s slavery! This is the equivalent of a slave auction, I can’t believe that anybody would ever play in the NFL. This is a disgrace, it’s derogatory, it is unacceptable.” Six months later he decides, this. Listen to this clip from an interview where he’s begging for a job.

BUCK: Can I…?

CLAY: He wants to be a slave again, Buck. This is crazy.

BUCK: I have a couple questions here. What is…? Clay, do you think that it’s more that he’s honestly so dumb that he believes his bullcrap and doesn’t even understand the contradictions here, or is it that he’s so shameless that he doesn’t care that one day he’s comparing it to a slave auction; the next day he’s saying, “Oh, put me in that circumstance” that he very explicitly compared to a slave auction?

He is desperate to be in the situation that he says is similar to a slave auction. And then also — and this is where I really have to come to you on this — is he even good anymore at this? Like, would he even be a starting daybreak like all of this stuff aside, everyone that I know who watches football — I have family members who are normal Americans, watch football — they say this guy would not be a starting QB.

CLAY: It’s a great question. So I’ll come backwards for that. I’ll answer your first question. I think what happened is Colin Kaepernick became a vessel for people who hate America and hate sports. And I think they used him, because, remember, he rarely does interviews. It’s not like, in my opinion, Kaepernick is sitting down sketching out what his Netflix special documentary is gonna be.

I think they just write it. These left-wing loons, they write it, they put it in front of him, and they say, “Hey, we need you to read this off the teleprompter,” and he allowed himself to be used by them as a vehicle to attack America, to attack American sports. And I do believe there’s some element of people that hate football, because it’s hypermasculine, Buck. It is a hypermasculine sport, and it represents, on some level, “toxic masculinity.”

It’s big, strong dudes beading the crap out of each other, and there is a certain segment of the population that doesn’t like that, right? And, by the way, a lot of them are Democrats. (chuckling) Let’s just be honest, okay? Second part of this: I wish that he would get a job personally because he would be a backup. He would not be a starting quarterback right now, to answer your question about how good he was.

When he began his protest several years ago, he had been beaten out by Blaine Gabbert who is a thoroughly mediocre NFL quarterback as the starter for the San Francisco 49ers. So the reason why he was initially, I believe, beginning his protest is ’cause he was upset over getting benched. That’s my theory. Always has been. He wouldn’t have done this if he were the starting quarterback.

BUCK: So sour grapes from the very beginning.

CLAY: I think there were sour grapes from the very beginning, and I don’t… Remember, when he did this first — and this deserves way more attention. But the day that he started his protest, he met with the media, and he was wearing a Castro shirt, Buck. He said in interviews — with our own Armando Salguero, who works now at OutKick — when he went down to play in Miami, he said that America needed to more like Cuba. This is not a smart guy in terms of understanding the larger geopolitical landscape. He thought that Cuba had less racism and more freedom than we do in the United States.

BUCK: From an outside-of-sports perspective, I can say that it did seem like Kaepernick was almost trying to become a modern version of the Che Guevara symbol.

CLAY: Yes.

BUCK: As in you put a Che Guevara shirt on and it just tells everybody, “I’m a leftist, I think of myself as some kind of a radical. I’m angry, I’m bitter, and I don’t really know anything,” and I think Kaepernick for a lot of people filled a similar role with, “I’m pro-Kaepernick, which I think America is racist and bad and we don’t talk enough about our racism and I’m angry at the system.”

CLAY: Yeah.

BUCK: But as we know the left actually loves to control the system and then, you know, destroy freedom and free speech, et cetera. Yeah, Kaepernick felt like, to me, he was becoming the modern Che Guevara T-shirt except now it’s a Kaepernick T-shirt.

CLAY: They want him to be a martyr. So if he comes back to the NFL, in my opinion, Buck, and he is standing on the sideline holding a clipboard, not even a starter in the NFL, it destroys his martyrdom, because then he’s back in the NFL. Already I think his martyrdom in many ways is destroyed by him begging for an opportunity to come back and play in the NFL.

I actually wish that he would get a job. This is my personal opinion. I think he gets destroyed as a symbol of awfulness, of the awfulness of America if he comes back and is a backup in the NFL because then he can’t claim, “Oh, I could have incredible,” but they ended my career,” because that’s what he tries to argue now. And so to me, this is just a further point on the media, and you guys…

Everybody out there listening knows that I’ve said this for a while. But, Buck, can you believe the sports media? I’m like the only guy who says, “Wait a minute. Six months ago, he was saying that the NFL was slavery, and now he’s begging to come back.” Nobody’s writing these opinion columns. Nobody’s pointing it out. Outside of me and OutKick, the company that I still run, there’s nobody even pointing this stuff out.

BUCK: He clearly doesn’t think the NFL is running modern slave auctions. He clearly doesn’t actually believe that.

CLAY: That’s right.

BUCK: So he’s lying to his intended audience with that. There’s no way around it, and it’s a reminder of the quote — I think it’s Mencken — that a demagogue is a person who says things that he knows to be untrue to a room full of people that he believes to be idiots. I think that there’s a lot of clear dishonesty from the way Kaepernick frames all of these issues whether it’s police — oh, yeah, he’s not anti-cop. Didn’t he have pigs on his socks?

CLAY: Yes.

BUCK: Pig cops on his socks?

CLAY: Yeah.

BUCK: I think that’s anti-cop.

CLAY: He said cops are modern-day slave traders and catchers. It’s crazy, right?

BUCK: Yeah, it’s astonishing that he is able to get away with what he is in the press. But look, at some level, he saw the opportunity here and he took it.

CLAY: He exploited it. He exploited it, and he is a fraud, and he deserves to be called out as a fraud. And I think the best way to call out his fraudulence, honestly, is to give him a job — and to your point, Buck, have it become clear that he’s not one of the 32 best quarterbacks in the NFL, that he wasn’t at the time he started his protest, because look whether you love or hate sports…

This is the analogy you quoted the other day — I think it’s true in all facets of life — so long as your talent exceeds your problems, they’ll employ you. And, by the way, you if you sell cars for a living, if you are a plumber, if you’re really great at what you do, you can get away with things that people who aren’t as good at what they do will not get away with.

But as soon as those talents are exceeded by your problems in a capitalistic society, they’ll move on to somebody else. That’s what happened with Colin Kaepernick. His talents were not competed by the problems that he brought to bear, and I’d like to see him come back just ’cause I think that will become self-evident.

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Will Elon Musk Be the Man Who Saves Twitter?

5 Apr 2022

CLAY: I wanted to update this story that we talked about yesterday. Elon Musk bought 9.2% of the outstanding shares of Twitter. He is now — by a substantial margin — the largest individual shareholder in Twitter stock. This morning early, it was announced that Elon Musk is now going to be on the board at Twitter, and this has provoked a pretty scared response from a lot of the Twitter blue checks who have been arguing, Buck, for years now…

What do they say anytime you criticize anything associated with Twitter, “It’s a private company. If you don’t like it, leave,” and also sometimes they’ll build on it and say, “Just go ahead and build your own company if you don’t like the rules that Twitter is arbitrarily applying.” And, oh, man, Buck, all of a sudden now that Elon Musk is stepping in, and I hope he’s going to be able to lead the charge on Twitter being more of a fair place for discussion, the marketplace of ideas. There are a lot of blue checks who are suddenly troubled by the influence that a billionaire could have on what is allowed to be said in our country.

BUCK: I have to say I really appreciated, and had not heard… Maybe it was the Babylon Bee podcast, because I know that the head of the Babylon Bee was in the video. But on Tucker’s show last night which I was checking out the mono of, they played video, I should say, of Elon Musk explaining wokeness. Did you see this? ‘Cause it was one of the best, one of the best explanations of wokeness I’d ever seen.

Which is people who are vicious and nasty and unkind creating an excuse for themselves and actually an armor of false virtue to go out and be vicious and nasty to other people and bully other people and act like they’re the good guys and gals, so to speak, or whatever. To me, that is what wokeness is, actually. It’s for people who are emotionally and morally compromised and fragile to run around and attack people and think they’re good people for it. It’s like a lashing out. It’s a justification for lashing out. Anyway, Elon said it. It’s brilliant. It’s totally true.

CLAY: It’s almost like this guy is pretty smart. (chuckles)

BUCK: Pretty smart, yeah.

CLAY: You know, my thing, Buck, is I love Elon Musk, right? I’m a capitalist. But for him to think… This is just what I love. I love the pure balls on the idea of, Buck, “Hey, you know what? I think I can send rockets to space better than NASA,” and he did it. To say nothing of anything else that he’s accomplished. And Tesla obviously has changed the dedicate in many ways as it pertains to cars. But to look — and the most brilliant thing I ever heard Elon Musk say, Buck…

I think this is good advice for anybody out there no matter what you’re doing. He said, “There’s lots of people trying to get 10% better, right? If you work at a business, every business, every year. You look at your goals, ‘Hey, let’s get 10% better. Let’s refine our profitability; let’s get 10% better.” So there’s very few people think what can I do in 10 years? Because everybody has short-term horizons. And if you truly want to change the world…

You were talking about this earlier, Buck, how you have to be willing to be a voice in the wilderness in order to challenge the existing dynamic, a paradigm shift as it were. Think about how ballsy you have to be — it’s everything that represents what America should stand for — to think, “I can build better rocket ships than NASA, which has a 60-year head start on me. I’m gonna sending rocket ships and I’m gonna return them and we’re gonna do it more affordably than any country in the world has ever managed to do,” and he did it can SpaceX.

BUCK: And he’s actually made electric cars that are worth driving. (laughing)

CLAY: Yes.

BUCK: Is another thing.

CLAY: Yes.

BUCK: The Prius, which was a hybrid, obviously — some of these, you know, earlier efforts, these cars just stunk. So there’s some Prius drivers out there. Send your hate to me on Twitter, and I’ll still make fun of you for it, but it’s okay. I do think it’s the ugliest car design also I’ve ever seen in my life. But nonetheless, I think that Elon Musk… Look, he’s doing here what… Remember toward the end of the year I played audio on this show of Rush reading a Twitter thread that I had written in June of 2020 on the air, on his show, about how a billionaire, conservative billionaire basically need to save the country right now.

CLAY: Yeah.

BUCK: You need to stop writing the occasional check to a boring think tank somewhere. They need to actually step in and see where the conversation’s happening and help us create — the phrase I used was — unsinkable aircraft carriers of freedom of speech.

CLAY: Yep.

BUCK: Elon is doing that right now, possibly. Possibly. It’s earlier. We gotta see what he actually does and everything else, but he is taking the first steps toward it. This could have huge implications. Even if Twitter dials back the wokeness 30%. Clay, I get dinged all the time for mask stuff still, to this day. I write about masks; they say, “Oh, this is misleading,” and they throttle me down. Five percent of the people that follow me on Twitter end up seeing anything that I now, and this is what they do.

CLAY: I’ve been arguing for a while, Buck, what’s the point having FU money if you aren’t willing to say FU.

BUCK: A lot of people with FU money, Clay, don’t, because they won’t be invited to the country club.

CLAY: We started this show talking about Mitt Romney and how much of a coward he is and how he’s desperately concerned with what other people think about him. Maybe I have the wrong genes. I don’t know, Buck. I really spend almost no time worried about what anybody thinks about me. I care what my wife thinks, I care what my three kids think. They’re in the house with me all day long, every day.

I want to be a good partner, obviously for the show that we do, but I don’t care what random people in my city or my state or my country think about me at all. I’m gonna do what I think is right, and I don’t really care whether there’s people lining up behind me — and what I would give credit to Elon Musk for is, to your point, Buck, I think you’re a hundred percent right.

He’s one of the few billionaires that seems to legitimately stand on principle over being concerned about what people are saying over his shoulder. And even some of the billionaires you’re talking about, they hide, right? They hide their money; they disguise where it’s coming from. Just own what you believe. America’s a fabulous place. Stand up on principle. What are you concerned about? Who cares if people get upset at you?

BUCK: Elon doesn’t even just say the country is at stake over some of these issues — which is true, by the way, when you have the deplatforming of a sitting president from the public digital town square, the closest thing to a digital town square that exists. When you have the suppression during a pandemic of accurate and truthful information like a lot of what we’ve been saying here on the show in defiance of the Fauciite consensus.

Think of all the lives ruined because we aren’t allowed to actually reach the full scope of the internet the way we could have if they hadn’t had the suppression in place for two years, Clay. Elon says it’s not even just America that’s at stake. It’s civilization itself. It’s Western civilization that’s at stake over this, and he’s right. I hope he follows through, man. Could be a game-changer for the national political conversation and culture.

CLAY: I want him to walk in like Ari on Entourage with a paintball gun and just start firing at all the commies inside Twitter headquarters.

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Monica Crowley on Biden’s Disastrous Economic Policies

5 Apr 2022

BUCK: We have Monica Crowley with us now, former assistant Treasury secretary under Donald Trump. She also has a new podcast, the Monica Crowley Podcast, which debuted last week. Monica, thanks so much.

CROWLEY: Hey, guys. Great to be with you. Thanks for having me back.

BUCK: So, these prices and the inflation that it’s causing to surge, any reason to believe it’s gonna get better anytime soon under the Biden presidency? What’s going on here, Monica?

CROWLEY: No. No. And, in fact, if you trace back to when the real inflationary pressures started, they started as soon as Biden and the Democrats in Congress passed what they call the American Rescue Plan in March of 2021. They claimed that the economy needed ever-greater support coming out of the covid pandemic, so they passed a nearly $2 trillion package, which was a whole lot of left-wing wish list items and not a whole lot geared for actual covid support for communities and businesses.

So, they passed this $2 trillion — that we don’t have, that was unnecessary spending — and as soon as that happened, guys, you saw the inflationary pressure start, and you started to see prices climb. That spiral — once it begins and once it becomes entrenched — is very difficult to get rid of, very difficult to dislodge. And then on top of that, you’ve got the pressures coming from the energy sector, which Joe Biden and his team have crushed.

And so you’ve got fuel, which is factored into everything that we use and consume; those prices have gone way up. Those prices are extremely volatile because of that and also what’s going on in the world with Russia and Ukraine and so on. So between those two things — your inflationary pressures coming from out-of-control Democrat spending plus the Fed going crazy all these years plus the inflationary pressures coming from fuel going sky-high, those two things — are a double whammy for every American consumer.

CLAY: Monica, we’ve got people who are who are… I read a study on the amount of wage increases. They’re actually under what our inflation rate is right now, and there’s a denial of what the impact is being. The more you have to spend out there in the community on a day-to-day basis, the more inflation impacts you.

How much of default tax are we dealing with right now so many working-class people who are having to spend all of their money to products and are making far less when you look at the inflation rate than they are bringing in, and they feel that month to month in their pocketbooks?

CROWLEY: Yeah. It’s a really important point. Inflation is a tax. Sometimes it’s called a hidden tax because it’s built into the prices of everything that you buy. But it’s not so hidden anymore. It’s right there in our faces, guys! Every day, we go to the grocery store or go to fill up our tank, it’s right there. But it’s also a regressive tax, meaning that when prices are higher, it actually impacts the middle class, the working class, and the poor most of all because they’re least able to withstand price hikes.

So while the Democrats run around and talk a good game about wanting to lower unemployment and champion the little guy and the workingman and woman, that’s all nonsense because inflation is hitting them most of all. When you talk about wages, yes, wages are going up, and that’s generally a good thing. We all want to make more money, right?

But when you’re in an inflationary environment like this, what happens is if inflation is outstripping your wage increases, well, then you’re actually in a deficit and you keep getting in a deeper and deeper hole with every passing week or every passing month of inflation. And it ends up being a very destructive spiral, because if you’re not earning enough to pay for basic items, you’re gonna go to your boss and say, “I need to make more money.”

Now, he may or may not give that to you, but prices continue to go up. And so in order to afford those things, you have to earn more. It ends up being a very vicious cycle. And as we learned from the late seventies and early eighties — the last time we saw this kind of inflation — it’s a very painful thing to dislodge. And last time we saw this, we saw interest rates at like 18, 19% and we saw massive, massive recession.

And President Reagan came in with his Fed chief, Paul Volcker, and Reagan said to Volcker, “Do what you need to do to fix this.” The levers that they used were very painful. And, guys, I’m not sure that the average American or certainly people on Capitol Hill or in the Biden White House understand what needs to be done — and if they do, maybe they just don’t care, because they like the economic chaos. They need it in order to slam in their bigger socialist agenda.

BUCK: We’re speaking to Monica Crowley, former assistant Treasury secretary under Donald Trump. New podcast out, just debuted: The Monica Crowley Podcast. Monica, the energy component of this I think has been really interesting, and I would hope that people would spend more time — well, the media won’t do it. But if people look, they can find that the Russians were funding anti-fracking movements in the West, of course, because they realize that was in their geostrategic or geopolitical interests.

And the Biden White House still seems to cling to this, “Well, we’re not in the way of energy production, but we also want the energy production to switch to clean energy, and also the ‘profiteers’ are what we should call the people running the oil companies, for example, and maybe everyone should just go buy a Tesla and stop being such peasants.” It doesn’t seem like it makes sense. They can’t have it both ways. They’re either opposed to fossil fuel production or they’re not.

CROWLEY: Right. Well, yes. They talk a good game about, “Wow, you know, we’d like to see more domestic energy production,” but they don’t really mean that. And, you know, you see Pete Buttigieg and others just saying sort of like this sappy line about, “Well, if things really stink, just go have a margarita and go buy an electric car. (laughing)

And that’s why their poll numbers are down in the gutter. But the one big thing that I think everybody needs to understand is that when Biden and the Democrats talk about, “Well, we need cleaner energy,” that topline sounds like a very good thing. Everybody wants cleaner energy. Then they talk about, “Well, we gotta end our dependence on fossil fuels, and so therefore we’re gonna really cripple American domestic production because that will force us into cleaner production.”

What you need to understand is that they are… (sigh) There’s some concern among them about the environment and climate change; yes, that’s true. But the bigger reason they are doing this is because energy is the biggest lever available to them in the economy to transform the economy. So that’s why they keep targeting energy. Yes, they’re crushing small businesses. Yes, they’re assaulting other sectors. But energy is the biggest one of them all.

That’s why they are so relentless in crushing production here, because once they do that, they’ll be able to reengineer the U.S. economy in their own image of a more collectivist, Marxist kind of model. And once they knock out the United States, then the world follows. Now you’ve got your one-world economic system that’s a more Marxist kind of model. That’s why they’re targeting energy, and that’s why they do not let go.

BUCK: Monica Crowley, everybody. Check out the Monica Crowley Podcast. Thanks so much, Monica. Great to have you on.

CROWLEY: Always a pleasure, guys. Thank you.

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BUCK: There are a number of political issues where the Democrats are running for cover. Now that more people know what’s going on, now that they understand the reality of some of these positions, they can’t really make the case, not in a midterm election year. They can’t get away with just appeasing and doing whatever the woke left says. They have to explain some things to the American people.

I think one of the areas that is surprising to many of the Biden regime so far is that almost 80-year-old Joe Biden is somehow now a woke warrior for the trans child agenda or for trans children. I don’t think anybody saw that. I don’t think they had that on the bingo card, so to speak. I don’t think they were expecting this one. And here you have the White House being asked about this, because this is now a reality.

It used to be, Clay, when we would have these debates, “Hey, if we’re really gonna use different gender pronouns, how long until you have males in women’s prisons and women competing against men in sports and all these things? How long before…?” and they said, “Oh, you’re just fearmongering.” We can go back and play you all those clips. You can go find it all over the place, editorials, five years ago, 10 years ago.

And now it’s, “Shut up, bigot! That’s not a man. It’s a six-foot three woman who happened to have male genitalia swimming that in that pool.” Okay. Okay. That’s an interesting position for them to take, and the White House — and this is what I mean by they’re on defense now, because people have seen quite clearly the reality of this left-wing agenda and the policies it creates.

Here is the White House, here is Jen Psaki being asked by, of course, Peter Doocy about what the White House’s feelings are right now on women competing against women in sports.

BUCK: Blather. Blather and misdirection. Clay, the question was to the White House: Should men compete in women’s sports? This White House is too cowardly — or perhaps too savvy, ’cause they know how the American people feel — to answer.

CLAY: Well, credit to Peter Doocy for asking the question. Joe Biden needs to be asked this question directly himself because to your point, Buck, he’s 79 years old. There is no way on earth that Joe Biden — who I believe is a sports fan, based on past statements.

BUCK: You think he’s giving some clicks on OutKick when no one is looking?

CLAY: I think he may have been on out… Well, I don’t know he knows how to use the internet. But if he knows how to use the internet, then he might have been on OutKick. I think he’s a big Eagles fan, historically, played sports growing up. So there is a zero percent chance, Buck, that 79-year-old Joe Biden believes that a biological man should be kicking women’s the asses in the swimming pool.

And also, the Democratic base does not believe this, either, right? There’s about 10 or 20% of Democrats that do, and everybody’s kowtowing to that group. But do you think black, Hispanic, Asian men in particular who are overwhelmingly sports fans…? Do you think they want their daughters and granddaughters competing against men? No way.

So this is a dodge. And it’s a dodge, Buck, because Democrats can’t figure out how to balance this pyramid of victimization, because women are a huge percentage of the Democratic base now. Overwhelmingly the Democrats are made up of women, and the transgender community is overwhelmingly a base for the Democratic Party. You have to make a choice.

You’re either in favor of transgender rights being so “inclusive” that there is no difference between men and women, or you support women’s sports. You can’t have it both ways, and I think the overwhelming majority of Americans support women’s sports. They believe women should compete against women and men should compete against men. And the Democrats are afraid to say that because it attacks their base, and they know that they’re on the wrong side of this issue.

BUCK: If there were more than a handful of actual — I was gonna say “actual journalists” — just people that want to get real answers from this White House, there would be follow-ups. She didn’t answer the question. It’s a very straightforward question. The White House factors in on Title IX issues all the time.

CLAY: All the time.

BUCK: The White House factors in on or will weigh in on any number of cultural and political issues. To pretend that they don’t have a position on this is cowardice. But they know that if they make it too obvious… The Democrats are always hiding what they really believe to fool, unfortunately, 10% of the middle of the country metaphorically speaking, politically speaking into voting for them.

And so this is why they won’t answer the question which is why we have to keep pushing and keep asking because, Clay, their only choices are betray women’s sports or betray the left wing, lunatic base. There is no third option.

CLAY: That’s right. That’s right. And they’re refusing to pick a side.

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