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Bud & Trey’s Excellent Apology: Clay Admits Huge Error

20 Apr 2022

CLAY: We want to… This is fun. This is on me.

BUCK: Uh-oh.

CLAY: Huge error in fact-based discussion yesterday, Buck, that I need to clear up. Yesterday, I said that Elbridge Gerry, who was where “gerrymandering” came from, was in Maryland. He was actually in Massachusetts, and I want to give credit to one of our listeners, Sondra, who emailed in. I swear to God, I’m reading this directly what she put into the email.

“Bud and Trey just reported that gerrymandering originated in Maryland. That is incorrect. It was Massachusetts. Hope they correct the error.” The irony of her being upset and correcting us while referring to us as “Bud and Trey”… This is 100% real. You got this email. We saw it after we finished the show yesterday. So, gerrymandering originated in Massachusetts, not Maryland, as I said yesterday on the show. Just note that Bud and Trey, as Sondra emailed us, are deeply, deeply apologetic for that error. Bud and Trey. That is maybe our alter egos, our crime-fighting duo, alter egos.

BUCK: Bud and Trey’s Excellent Adventure. We could do it.

CLAY: Bud and Trey. So I wanted to clear that up. I got that wrong.

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Demonization of Cops Hits Grand Rapids

20 Apr 2022

CLAY: There are BLM protests that are breaking out right now in Grand Rapids, Michigan, over a police shooting that has begun and is actually occurring as we speak. It’s interesting because we started off the show talking about the fact that thousands more — according to the date that has come out from 2020, thousands more — black people have been murdered in 2020. It went up by thousands over prior years, in the wake of BLM protests and the demonization of police movement, and now potentially there are protests going on in Grand Rapids, Michigan as we speak.

BUCK: There are protests. We just have audio over it just from a few moments ago.

PROTESTERS: (screaming and chanting) Black lives matter!

BUCK: Now, I just watched the video. This is in response to an encounter with police in Grand Rapids, Michigan, with a man named Patrick Lyoya, and there’s a pretty extensive video, multiple camera angles. Look, it’s one of those things where you watch these videos; it’s always sad when someone loses their life in an incident with police, period. It’s sad for that person’s family when it doesn’t seem like the person wanted to harm the cop, right?

We’re not talking about someone who drew a gun on a cop and got shot. But he did grab the officer’s Taser and repeatedly was told, “Drop the Taser, drop the Taser,” and he did not, and the officer — and this was in the midst of they had been wrestling on someone’s lawn, essentially. You have video of it. There’s a language barrier. It seems that Patrick Lyoya had difficulty understanding some of the discussion with the officer.

That becomes apparent in the video too. But, Clay, I don’t think there’s… I don’t think that there’s a crime here on the part of the officer. If you grab an officer’s Taser, the officer then has to act under the assumption — and you’re being told drop the Taser, drop the Taser and you won’t. If the suspect in this case uses the Taser on the officer, now the officer is incapacitated, and he has a gun right on his hip.

You’re completely unable to fight back. So is now the use-of-force escalation procedure supposed to be that as a law enforcement officer in America, someone can point a Taser at you and not drop when told to drop it — and until they actually taze you, you aren’t allowed to use your sidearm? That would have been to be the use-of-force procedure based upon this video that the activists and people protesting would want, as far as I can see. It’s still early stage in the investigation. But the video is multiple angles; it’s pretty clear.

CLAY: This is part of the larger context in which we had this conversation where I said I tell all my kids — and certainly I would apply this advice to myself as well, and I would tell everybody out there with kids or grandkids to have the same conversation. Teach the kids to comply with the instructions of police officers. This one of the frustrating things that I wish athletes would be more involved in, and I say this as a lawyer.

I’m not saying every police officer is flawless in their application of the law. Certainly, every profession has people who run afoul of the law, and when that occurs prosecutions should occur, regardless of what your profession is. But if you look, Buck, at all of these violent interactions that occur between — almost all of them, at least all that I’ve seen, between — police and anyone else.

If the person who was being stopped, if the person who was being arrested, if the person who was being questioned from police had just complied with officer instructions, no violence ensues. Every single time. Just comply with officer instructions, no violence ensues, and I always… What I tell my kids is, “I’m a lawyer. If someone in law enforcement treats you inappropriately, we can rectify that through the court of law. That’s what we have a judicial system for.”

If, however, you don’t listen to a police officer and something turns violent, that can’t be rectified later. So every single one, I tell my kids, “Comply with the instructions of a police officer,” and I wish that there were more parents sending that message over and over and over again. And again, I’m not saying police are perfect. No one’s perfect, in any profession that they have. But, Buck, this would change everything, right? Just comply with officer instructions and there’s almost no need for any violent interactions between police and the citizens that they are interacting with.

BUCK: I saw the Detroit Free Press have the video up of the incident and invited on, in real time in the video, to give commentary — it was very interesting to hear what some of these experts were saying — a lot of second-guessing. “The officer’s tone is too aggressive, the officer should have called for backup sooner.” It’s really easy to be the person who sits after an incident like this and is also — let’s be honest — generally bringing their politics to the situation.

This has already become now a political issue. There are people marching, chanting “black lives matter” in the streets of Grand Rapids, Michigan. They were not out in the streets or any of the other recent shootings either in the state of Michigan or across the country. They had no interest in other lives that had been lost to violence all across the country, not organizing to deal with that. No. This is, “Oh, look it’s a white cop!

“Let’s make a national level incident out of this.” There’s video — and I’ll also note if there wasn’t video, this cop’s life would 100% be ruined. His life… He would be fired, probably facing life in prison. His life would be ruined. Because there’s clear video of this just like with Kyle Rittenhouse, video in so many of these cases is really the deciding factor. When you look at the video of the fatal shooting of Patrick Lyoya, to your point, Clay, about escalation and listening to law enforcement, he keeps refusing to comply.

It’s about eight minutes long of this. He says, “Don’t get out of the car.” The guy gets out of the car. He says, “Will you show me your ID.” The guy’s not gonna show him his ID. He says, “All right. You’re coming with me.” The guy says, “No, I’m not,” and he starts to run away. He runs away, he gets tackled to the ground.

He’s yelling, “Stop resisting.” The guy keeps resisting. At some point if law enforcement doesn’t involve the use of force against an individual to comply, then there actually is no law enforcement. This is what the left ultimately pushes us toward. This is how their mentality, Clay, becomes, “What’s the big deal if somebody goes into a drugstore and steals two bags’ worth of stuff? It’s not gonna bankrupt CVS.

“You shouldn’t have a security guard physically stand in the way of an individual to try to stop them from doing this.” If the law does not rest on force at some level, there is no law, and this is I think the part of it that the left negates in all these conversations. “What’s the big deal? Just let people get away!

“Let people get away with crime, with resisting arrest,” with whatever it may be. Now, that’s obviously a far cry from saying you should use excessive force on individuals. But when a cop says, “You’re coming with me. You’re getting arrested,” the time to fight is later in court. The time so fight is not, “I’m not getting arrested today.”

CLAY: Well, and what I would say again, Buck, is this is from 2020, total number of people who have been murders each year. In 2020, we hit a 10-year highway, which was almost a 50% increase, for example, between the numbers in 2010, 2011, 2012, 2013, 2014. And nearly 10,000 black people were murders in 2020 in the United States; the vast majority of those black people were murdered by other black people.

Most of the time, despite fears that are out there, you are going to be — unfortunately — a victim of a murder from someone you know, and that someone you know typically is someone of your own race, most of the time, right? So how many of those 10,000 black people who died in 2020 did Black Lives Matter protest? How many young kids murdered all over this country did Black Lives Matter make an ounce of noise about?

The unfortunate thing about Black Lives Matter — and there are many unfortunate things. But ultimately, what you don’t hear, is “BLM” is not what black lives matter stands for. Black lives matter, you need to add, only when white people are involved in an alleged murder. Because black lives don’t matter at all when black people are the ones who are doing the killing. And that is, to me, a form of racism.

Because you’re saying the only time black lives matter are when they are taken by white people, which is a tiny, tiny minority of the overall black deaths that are occurring in this country. And I know there’s lot of people out there — black, white, Asian, Hispanic — who look at these stories, and they say, “Where is BLM when murder rates are hitting historic highs and the victims are overwhelmingly young, innocent people who’ve done nothing at all wrong?”

The anger only exists when there’s a blame-the-white-person associational value for BLM, and that’s the truth. And the media makes it even worse, Buck, because they buy into this identity politics era. And what they’ve done, the consequences of this, is they actually create more violent encounters because I think one reason why people don’t comply with police officer instructions is ’cause they don’t trust the police.

And so if you don’t trust the police, which has been fed into your brain from the media and from all this external noise, certainly social media, it actually increases the overly rates of violent interaction where both police and the citizens they’re trying to police end up taking lives. And again, Buck, we hit this stat, but I think it’s important.

Seventy-five percent of police shootings involve white, Asian, or Hispanic people. Only a quarter of police shootings involve black people at all, yet it’s the only police shootings we ever hear about. We did a segment — it’s probably been a month or so ago — on the white guy — I think it was in L.A. — who got knelt on and died on video.

BUCK: Yeah.

CLAY: And didn’t even become a blip of a story.

BUCK: Nope.

CLAY: Almost identical. He’s saying —

BUCK: “I can’t breathe.”

CLAY: It’s nearly the identical situation as George Floyd. Nobody cared.

BUCK: Yeah. Well, we understand how the narrative-creation machine goes from the left on this, and it’s about being divisive, and it’s all rooted in lies, which is why it just destroys and undermines — and you’ll notice it never makes any of this better. In fact, all the decisions that were taken as a result of the BLM movement at a policy level made people less safe, made people more subject to violence, and particularly made people who are law-abiding —

CLAY: Yep.

BUCK: — the 99% of folks who live in high crime neighborhoods suffered more as a result of multimillionaire CNN anchors and wealthy suburbanites who write for the Washington Post and the New York Times pretending that they care so much about the plight of crime in the black community because it was politically fashionable for them, and it made them feel good about themselves. Do they engage now with the data, the reality of what happened next as a result of this movement? No, they do not — and they avert their eyes when the BLM founders buy $6 million mansions in fancy parts of California. Yeah.

CLAY: Yeah. No doubt. It is an utter, unmitigated disaster, and it’s a disgrace the way that we have handled this entire situation.

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Florida Senate Passes DeSantis Counterpunches

20 Apr 2022

CLAY: Breaking news going on out there. The Florida Senate as the state of Florida continues to be a fountain, an oasis of freedom, just passed Ron DeSantis’ congressional map that creates four new Republican-leaning districts, wiping out Democratic gains in redistricting across the nation. And, Buck, this is significant ’cause it kind of ties in with what we were talking about to start off the program.

It also removes Disney’s self-governing power and special exempt status. Now, the House, I believe, in Florida still has to pass this bill as well. It will go to the Florida House tomorrow, but the Florida Senate has — wow — again, four new Republican congressional districts and has removed Disney’s self-governing power and special exempt status.

We talked about this, Buck, since Walt Disney himself bought up land in the Orlando area, Disney has basically had regulatory authority when it comes to building whatever it wants. The Florida legislature had given them that. Now potentially if it passes the Florida House and is signed by DeSantis, that will cease to exist.

BUCK: What was that really worthwhile phrase that Barack Obama said? “Elections have consequences”? Some people in Florida are finding out that elections do have consequences. It turns out if you want to be getting… Remember, this is about special treatment for Disney that the state of Florida is under no obligation to provide. There’s nothing — this isn’t, you know, punitive in the sense that they’re getting less than equal treatment.

They’re actually not going to get more than equal treatment, assuming this passes and becomes a law. You know, I keep wondering this — and I’ll give credit to my friend Sean Davis — our friend Sean Davis from The Federalist — on this one ’cause he raised this a few days ago on Twitter. Why isn’t every Republican governor seeing a lot of what Ron DeSantis is doing in Florida, in states where there’s an even more red legislature? Why aren’t they seeing this and saying, “There is a way” or “This is the way”?

CLAY: It’s a great question, and the answer is they should be following his lead even more, because when he took office, remember, he won by 30,000 votes. And that is one of the most consequential governorship elections that we have ever seen, because otherwise Andrew Gillum would have ended up in office.

And I think he would have led Florida during covid like we have seen New York and California be led. Instead of an oasis of freedom, Florida would have been a satellite of New York — and if that had happened, many other governors would not have been willing to take the risk to follow DeSantis’s lead. It’s crazy to think about.

BUCK: I could see Andrew Gillum as Governor Gillum–

CLAY: Yes.

BUCK: — giving speeches about how Florida has such a large retirement community, and they need to have the most extreme lockdowns. They would have gone as far or further than New York City in the depths of its covid lockdown madness if Andrew Gillum had won that race. No question in my mind, and you’re seeing this right now. People are humiliating themselves in public over this mask mandate on planes.

Individuals who think they are smart — I’m not just talking about the blue check MDs now — people in the media who want to be taken seriously, they’re hysterical. I mean, they’re hysterical not in the funny sense. These are people who… It’s like they’re suffering from agoraphobia or something. They can’t go outside, and they expect that no one should be able to go outside. But in this case, you can’t go out into a plane unmasked? It’s lunacy.

CLAY: It’s also evidence, I think, of one of the biggest issues that’s out there right now, Buck, which is an inability to actually analyze risk and fear and be able to make rational decisions, which is one of the hallmarks of adulthood. And, by the way, on DeSantis, if he wins by as much as I think he is likely to win by in November?

If he wins by seven or eight points, let’s say, in what was otherwise considered to be a swing state when he took office, I think there will be a lot of Republicans who say, “Oh, maybe I should be following his lead. This is how it really is done,” because I think he’s gonna set a record for a Republican governor in terms of how much he wins by.

BUCK: Governor Abbott… You know, we had Tate Reeves on. Go full DeSantis. Make the left suffer the consequences of their lunacy. Push for decisions that defend freedom and sanity in your own states, right? I just throw in the two governors that came to mind. Any Republican governor, you gotta see this and say, “Why can’t we do that? I would like answers. I want to know, why can’t they do that?”

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Heather Mac Donald: BLM Led to 32% More Black Murders

20 Apr 2022

ALI VELSHI: I want to be clear in how I characterize it. This was mostly a protest. It is not, generally speaking, unruly.

UNIDENTIFIED WOMAN: They are strictly principled anti-fascists, and they’ve taken a principled stand to stand against white supremacists and while nationalists wherever they may show up.

CHRIS CUOMO: I argue to you tonight all punches are not equal, morally.

NIKOLE HANNAH-JONES: Any reasonable person would say we shouldn’t be destroying other people’s property, but these are not reasonable times.

UNIDENTIFIED MAN: Thank goodness for the looters, man.

CHRIS CUOMO: And please show me where it says that protests are supposed to be polite and peaceful.

DON LEMON: Do not get twisted and think that, oh, this some — something that has not — never happened before and this — this is so terrible and where are we and these savages and all of that. This is how this country was started.

CHRIS CUOMO: Most of the major movements in American history have started at the grassroots level — and at some point, have turned into direct conflict with American government. So remember your history before you judge your present.

BUCK: Oh, we remember our history all right ’cause that was back in September of 2020, a number of prominent cable news anchors — in one case, a formerly prominent cable news anchor — telling you that looters are good, that peaceful protest is not necessary peaceful; sometimes you gotta punch people in the face if you don’t like their politics. You gotta burn down a few neighborhoods.

This is Democrat corporate media. These were multibillion-dollar media entities, and they were promoting and defending this stuff while cities were burning. Just want to have everybody be reminded of that. “Black Lives Matter…” This was a Daily Mail headline here: “Black Lives Matter is blamed for 32% spike in the murders of African-Americans in the wake of George Floyd’s killing as experts claim protests scared-off cops and worsened crime spiral.”

Clay, now, we’re actually looking at the results of the BLM movement and mobilization. This is also from this Daily Mail piece: “2,457 more blacks died in 2020 than the year before.” It wasn’t the pandemic, folks. BLM 2.0 and destruction of the criminal justice system, that’s what this was all about.

CLAY: This was a direct result — and we already knew, which is so frustrating — of the Ferguson Effect. We saw this in 2016. We knew it was real. I believe we have Heather Mac Donald now — and Heather, you’ve been fantastic on so many of these details. As the 2020 numbers have come out, have they surprised you by how many more people ended up dying in 2020 than in 2019? Is this what you anticipated? And I think significantly, are we getting better in 2021 in your mind and 2022 or are the numbers continuing to worsen?

MAC DONALD: No, I’m not surprised. I predicted this right after the George Floyd riots. I said, “We’re in store for either Ferguson Effect 2.0 or the Minneapolis Effect,” because the riots began in Minneapolis and spread across the country. Based on the lie that policing in this country is systematically racist, we saw the largest one-year increase in homicide in this nation’s history in 2020.

It was utterly predictable that the majority of victims would be black, that black lives would be taken at almost unprecedented rate. And, no, things have not gotten better 2021 and 2022 are worse. The anarchy we have… We have unleashed savagery upon the world. Children are getting killed overwhelmingly, of course, almost exclusively black children.

But we see now the carjackings spreading to suburbs, the looting, the inability to go into a drugstore and buy toothpaste because businesses would rather encumber their regular customers than arrest shoplifters and face charges of racism. So things are not getting better, and what it’s gonna take to make it better is to change the narrative and to reject the charge of police racism and criminal justice system racism.

BUCK: We’re speaking to Heather Mac Donald, fellow at the Manhattan Institute and author of The War on Cops, a book I recommend to all of you listening. Heather, one of the defining characteristics, I’d say, of that moment in time which I remember very well — there was a riot in Manhattan that went right on to my own street. The next morning there were store windows shattered.

There was looting going on on the block where I live along with many others I know here in New York. So we remember that period quite well. While that was going on, some of the wealthiest companies, corporations in America were putting out, in some cases almost, like, laughable statements. If you had bought, you know, a bottle of baby formula from a company five years ago, all of a sudden you’re getting an email saying that this company stands with Black Lives Matter.

I mean, if you bought a cookie from somewhere, if you bought anything, you’re being told. Your dishwashing detergent company was telling you they stand with them. The corporate throwing in behind the BLM movement was really unlike anything we’d seen before. Do you think that they would just do that again, or is there a little hesitation now that we see the numbers are — BLM led to more violence, more lawlessness, and specifically more young black men killed in America than would have been in the year previous to the movement?

MAC DONALD: They would absolutely do it again. Look at what Disney is doing. It’s terrified of its own employees. The employees of corporations are getting more and more left as we graduate — belch forth — more and more college graduates who’ve been marinated in complete, fantastical lies about this country every year. And the fact of the matter is, the country has very weird attitudes towards race.

The elites purport to care about black lives. It’s all a crock. It’s completely absurd. It’s a fiction. It’s a fraud. The Black Lives Matter activism is an absolute fraud. There’s never been a Black Lives Matter activist who showed up at the scene of a child being gunned down in a drive-by shooting. Why? Because the elites are terrified about the breakdown in the inner city.

There is, frankly — let’s be honest — a pathological inner-city culture. What else explains these young teens willing knowingly spray bullets across sidewalks knowing that they are gonna take innocent lives. The family is broken down and America turns its eyes away and you have the elites that would rather accuse themselves of phantom racism than look head on at the problem of black, inner-city breakdown. There’s never been a civilization like this, and this type of weird cognitive dissonance means that we’re never gonna get out of this moment.

CLAY: Heather, what I’ve said for a while — and I think becomes more and more increasingly apparent as all of this data comes out and it’s mostly ignored — is really it’s not black lives matter. It’s black lives matter when white people are involved in killing black people, because otherwise black lives really don’t matter.

Which, you know, when you really consider it, it’s about how a black life is taken, not — and, by the way, a tiny minority of black lives are in any way connected to white people when it comes to murder. But that’s the only time the media covers it which, let’s be honest, Heather, is racist in itself because it’s really about the white person’s actions that is making it newsworthy.

MAC DONALD: Absolutely right. I mean, and we never get the race of criminals when they’re black. The media absolutely repressed the race of the subway shooter in Brooklyn as long as it could get away with it. If that subway shooter had been white, that would have been an international story. There would have been riots in the streets.

The Justice Department would have snapped into its white supremacist, you know, the biggest threat to this country is white supremacist mode. Instead, at best we got a description of him as “dark-skinned.” A white would never be described as “light-skinned,” but generally there was utter mutinous. And of course meant that that shooting has been basically put down the memory hole because it doesn’t fit the narrative.

Blacks commit 88% of all interracial violence between blacks and whites and whites and blacks. Whites are not the problem. Whites are not the problem facing blacks today. Blacks die of homicide at 13 times the rate between the ages of 10 and 34 compared to whites — 13 times! Who’s killing them? Not the cops. Not other whites, but other blacks.

Anybody who’s had any connection with academia for the last 40 years knows that if you talk about black-on-black violence, that somehow that’s inappropriate and it’s just a fiction and crime is just a fiction. You’re not allowed to talk about black-on-black violence. But that is basically what the reality is today. Violent street crime, let’s be honest — and this is extraordinarily dangerous to say, but it — is overwhelmingly a product of underrepresented minorities.

In New York City, blacks and Hispanics account for virtually 100% of drive-by shootings. Blacks are 32% of the population in New York. They commit anywhere between 70 and 75% of our shootings each year. How do we know that? From the victims of and witnesses to those shootings who are themselves overwhelmingly black.

They are the ones telling the police who the assailants are. Whites are not the problem, and yet we keep on pretending in this society that it’s white people who are the scourge. No. It’s black criminals. And I have spoken to so many law-abiding, hardworking black residents of high-crime areas who only want to lead normal lives, and they’re begging for the police to enforce the laws against trespassing, against loitering, against literature, against drug use.

But the problem is, if the police enforce the law in a colorblind manner, in a constitutional manner, it will have a disparate impact on blacks. Why? Not because the law is racist, not because the police are racist, but because blacks commit crime at higher rates. That is the thing you are not allowed to talk about.

BUCK: Heather Mac Donald, author of The War on Cops. Heather, appreciate you being with us.

MAC DONALD: Thank you so much. Always great to be with you guys.

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We Cannot Surrender Content Platforms to the Left

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BUCK: Clay and I were going back and forth this morning on Netflix, ’cause one of the things you’ve seen in recent years is just how important it is to have control of platforms and content. We usually talk about it in the context of social media, and for people who say, “Oh, I don’t care about Twitter. I don’t follow TikTok.” Well, Twitter determines the news cycle for all the news sites and all the newspapers pretty much that you’re reading.

In some ways, not entirely, but it’s very influential, and TikTok is brainwashing your kids. So these things matter whether people engage with them or not. Netflix, Hulu, Amazon Prime. These are major streaming services. In the case of Amazon part of what is effectively the largest company in the world or in the top three, depending on what month we’re talking about, what the stock price is.

And Netflix has gone woke or was woke perhaps all along, we’re just more aware of it now. Elon Musk — who we give a lot of props to on the show because guy’s obviously a genius and a world-class entrepreneur — Clay, he says the woke mind virus is to blame for Netflix tanking. Its stock dropped 32%, on track for the biggest drop in a decade.

It is hemorrhaging viewers — and, remember, where did Obama…? This is important: Where did Obama go to get tens of millions of dollars basically showered on him right when he finished the presidency? A Netflix deal. This is the heart of the left’s cultural dominance right now, and something’s going on in Netflix. What do you think it is?

CLAY: Well, first of all, Buck, we’ve talked about this. I’ve got Netflix stock; so I’ve had it for a long time. So the —

BUCK: Full-disclosure Travis over here.

CLAY: Yeah. The stock is right now — I’m looking as we’re speaking, Buck — down 37%. Basically, it has wiped out multi-years of gains that the stock had seen. It’s down around $129 as we speak, and I’m fascinated by this on so many different levels, Buck, because Netflix was over $700 a share as recently as basically a year ago.

And you know that conventional wisdom is often wrong. In fact, one of the big, flashing red lights for many things should be when the, quote, unquote, experts all agree on something. And so everybody agreed that streaming was gonna be the future, right, that your cable and satellite bundle, that you sit down, you put on your television, that that was fading rapidly.

And that certainly has been true as people cut cords. Netflix had a competitive advantage for a while, Buck. But then everybody decided to get into streaming. And you were just mentioning it. In my house we’ve got Disney+, Amazon Prime, Hulu, HBO Max, Paramount, basically everything you can think of. I know a lot of people out there dealing with 8.5% inflation, what they sold us, Buck, was the idea:

Oh, streaming is gonna save you money, because you won’t need to pay as much as you are for your cable or satellite subscription. The reality is most people are having to pay as much or more now for their streaming services as they ever paid for cable — and if you are still keeping a cable subscription, which I am, all of a sudden the costs have skyrocketed.

And I was thinking about this, Buck, because, yes, the woke angle I think plays in, but also the idea that streaming was gonna be a great business may be a total lie, ’cause they’re not making much money. Disney is losing money on Disney+ right now.

BUCK: Look at CNN!.

CLAY: CNN+ just shut down basically.

BUCK: They’re on the precipice of bailing on the whole thing. They just signed Chris Wallace for I think it was $12 million a year which, by the way… I don’t even know what to say. Some people just don’t understand how lucky they are to be where they are and think that they’re always better than whatever incredibly lucky position they’re in (chuckles), and I think he’s one of those individuals. Left a great gig at Fox — which, as we know, Fox is unbelievably effective as putting programming on that millions and millions of people watch. Every show, right?

CLAY: It’s the most effective media company probably in the United States in terms of being able to mobilize audience, if you consider sports, if you consider Fox News, all of those rolled in together.

BUCK: And so CNN streaming has this problem, obviously, right now. Netflix. Hulu. These are massive companies that have really become more powerful than the Hollywood studios, and I know about this.

CLAY: No doubt. Yes.

BUCK: I have a family friend who runs a sort of small independent studio, and he complains sometimes about how, you know, you think that Paramount or you think that, you know, Universal is gonna right the biggest check for a new series or for a new film. Not true. Amazon, if they want it, they’ll get it. Netflix, if they want it, they’ll get.

They’ll write the biggest checks, which means they also have a tremendous say in what gets made and what doesn’t. The same way in the news cycle, everybody, really the biggest decision is, “What are you covering?” right, more than anything else. How you cover matters but what you cover. And in the content, in the creative side, what gets made, what gets green-lighted, green lit — green lit, green-lighted — and what doesn’t is an enormous, an enormous differentiator. I have noticed this. I remember in the early days of Netflix, I’m like, “This is pretty cool.” Were you a CDC DVD-in-the-mail guy? I would do it.

CLAY: By the way, we used to live in the Caribbean, you know, that’s where I practiced law when I first graduated, and so there weren’t DVD-rental places. You couldn’t get a subscription I was one of the early Netflix subscribers ’cause if you wanted to watch a movie there weren’t like DVD rental places that were easy to find in the islands.

BUCK: Just put that aside for a second —

CLAY: Yeah.

BUCK: — because I’m gonna speak on behalf of the audience and ClayAndBuck.com here when I say: We have not seen enough Clay Caribbean Lawyer photos or anything.

CLAY: I don’t know how many of them exist. They’re not digital.

BUCK: Ahhh.

CLAY: That was the day before —

BUCK: Remember those little cameras you had to take the…?

CLAY: Back in the day when you first got the camera on your phone, like, you couldn’t even really tell what you were taking a picture of.

BUCK: My life circa… I’m sure this is true for a lot of other folks here. My life circa 2012, 2011, is far better documented through email, video, photo, and everything than anytime before. It’s ’cause the technology changed so rapidly. But, anyway, back on to Netflix. It has been getting more and more woke.

CLAY: Yeah.

BUCK: And it’s annoying. And I’ve actually thought about it. I give full credit to… I have a family member who we’re all boosting this one family member’s Disney+ subscription, and as soon as they fire Gina Carano this family member canceled it right away. So we all kind of got to ride along with that cancellation. But I would have canceled it on that.

I thought about canceling Netflix, too. Clay, when was the last time you scrolled through? First of all, most of the comedians are super woke. I like stand-up stuff and see nothing but wokeness there but on a lot of the programming you watch this and you go, “Oh, so they’re just bludgeoning me over the head here with the agenda. This is all about…”

And it doesn’t matter what the period is. It’s gonna be about diversity and inclusion or it’s gonna be about transgender rights. And they go to some pretty extreme lengths with that stuff in a way where you say I just want to be entertained but the left just like with Hollywood before, folks: They want you to believe what they believe. That’s even more important to them.

CLAY: I think there’s a big part there. Buck, I also think people are looking to save money, and what people have realized is you can turn your Netflix subscription on or off. So if you’re a fan, for instance, of Cobra Kai — which I’ve watched with my boys, the Karate Kid series — or if you like a dark series; I really like Ozark, right? But whenever they come out with a new version of that, you can wait.

You can sign up for a month, you can the catch-up on everything you might be interested in and then you can bail so instead of having to pay over a hundred dollars for a year, you might be able to pay 20, see everything that you need to see. And I think they’ve reached their apex, and I don’t know where we go from here.

I’m actually fascinated by Disney, for example, because the cable and satellite bundle is declining, the number of people have cable and satellite. So they were like, “Hey, we’ve gotta step from this sinking ship over to another ship,” right, the streaming ship. But they still haven’t made money there. And if we’ve already reached peak streaming, they may be on simultaneously two different sinking ships from a media perspective.

‘Cause whatever you think of these shows, Buck, they are wildly expensive to make. And so the only way you keep people signed up is by producing new content, and that new content isn’t very affordable. So Netflix now is saying they’re gonna do advertisements!

BUCK: The business model part of this is interesting to me, but the influence on the culture and on entertainment and our national perception and conversation to me, that… Even if you have a pullback at Netflix, we still have nothing on… There’s nothing that is… It’s not even conservative. It’s not even GOP. Just make things that are meant to entertain people instead of make things that are meant to create a political perception in the audience.

Doesn’t matter. They’re making a show about ninth century Viking invasion of England which is usually stuff that I love, there will be some wokeness thrown in there. They’ll be doing characters. You’ll be at, like, the Battle of Poitiers or Crecy, and all of a sudden, some character would be like, “Well, maybe we should consider transgender rights more.”

CLAY: (laughing)

BUCK: You say, “Wait. What? I’m pretty sure this wasn’t…” They will put it anywhere, and they are infusing the content with politics all the time. It’s because they have this vision of changing — and look, this is why it was so important to those Disney executives. I think that was what really rattled people when they saw from the very top, the chief content officer of Disney wants to talk about pansexuality and how there need to be more pansexual cartoon characters that your children are watching. That is just fact.

CLAY: Yes.

BUCK: That is the country we live in right now.

CLAY: Well, and it’s also the antithesis of everything Walt Disney stood for. So whatever you think about Disney today, know that Walt Disney would be rolling over in his grave at the idea of what his company has become, because if you’ve been to Disney World, if you’ve been to Disneyland, Main Street USA? There are few places that were more patriotic than Disney.

And there were few business executives more patriotic and anti-communist than Walt Disney and his embrace of American exceptionalism. So the idea that his company today could have become what it has, I think would infuriate Walt Disney if he were still alive at this point in time. You just look at when you walk into Disney World. It’s supposed to be a place that removes all politics, right? “The happiest place on earth,” and instead they have consistently made the decision that they have to put politics directly into their product.

BUCK: I think it’s even an escalation, what we’ve seen from the left is an escalation over something that is near and dear to your heart, Clay, which is sports as the —

CLAY: Yeah.

BUCK: — refugee that everybody used to be able to have, right? They’ve completely wokened, they’ve completely made woke sports now.

CLAY: Yes.

BUCK: And as you say, maybe even more so than the political media, the sports media. Now they’ve gone for children’s entertainment. Now they’ve realized that’s really where they want to push, that’s really where they want the messaging to go. And, you know, that tears down the patriarchy.

CLAY: Yes.

BUCK: All of this stuff is being infused in kind of your children. That’s also why… Conservatives, we’re not, by nature, the first to adopt some new, trendy thing, right? We like what we like. We feel like we know what works and doesn’t. We’re busy people, right? But when we talk about TikTok, I need people on the right to stop saying, “It’s a Chinese spying app. I’ll never touch it.”

I’m not saying you have to use it, but I am saying you should be aware of what’s going on because millions and millions of kids — which is why when Libs of TikTok started publicizing all this stuff, just showing people what’s on there and popular on there, by the way — the left went into panic mode because they had created this self-reinforcing ecosystem of political indoctrination that most people on the right were completely not only not involved in, but refused to engage in any level with because like it’s a Chinese spying app. Okay. That’s a separate problem from they’re trying to brainwash your kids, which they’re doing.

CLAY: No doubt. And, Buck, I think you hit on it well. I’ve been arguing — and I think I’ve been correct on this — that sports was the canary in the coalmine. They were using sports to demonstrate how they could take over pop culture as a whole, and if you didn’t fight back against it, this was what was gonna happen.

BREAK TRANSCRIPT

CLAY: Netflix, to their credit, stood up for Dave Chappelle in that transgender battle. But how many people would they be willing to do that for? Again, I give credit to Dave Chappelle for being willing to make jokes that make people uncomfortable.

BUCK: He’s also the most successful black comedian, maybe the most successful comedian, period, right, of his generation, and certainly among the very top in any categorization. He’s a guy who, for them to throw him under the bus would have been quite a move.

CLAY: Yeah, it would have been difficult for them to pull that off. But I think it speaks to the challenge that these media companies are finding themselves in. The only way that you can be all things to all people is just by focusing on making the best possible product, and that’s used to be what everybody focused on.

Now it’s, “Oh, we gotta send out an email and let you know what we think about this latest social justice warrior issue,” and that’s how you end up with Wimbledon, by the way, banning Russians ’cause people make stupid decisions when they’re trying to placate everyone out there on the internet.

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  • Legal Insurrection: Russia Extends Mariupol Surrender Deadline, Wimbledon Bans Russian and Belarusian Players
  • Breitbart: Global Food Crisis: IMF Warns of Unrest Amid Food Supply Shortages
  • Breitbart: Germany Facing Price Hikes for a Decade, Warns Top Economist

  • Gateway Pundit: Rhode Island Dems Submit Bill To Double State Income Tax For Parents Of Unvaccinated Minors
  • New York Post: Ditch the masks and breathe easier already — it’s time to ‘face’ the facts
  • HotAir: CDC shakes up “Do Not Travel” recommendations to 90 countries
  • NewsBusters: CBS, NBC Guests Fret Over End of Mask Mandates on Planes, Trains as Dangerous
  • PJ Media: Biden Says Masking Is a Choice as His DOJ Fights to Hold Onto Mandate
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  • UK Daily Mail: Elon Musk blames ‘the woke mind virus’ for making Netflix ‘unwatchable’ after it lost 200,000 subscribers and shares dipped 25%: Streaming giant looks at cheaper ad-supported version to boost customer base
  • Breitbart: Report: Consumers Abandoning Disney Streaming Service to Save Money Amid Soaring Inflation
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    CLAY: We are joined now by Congressman Jim Jordan, who I believe has occasion to listen to this show sometimes while he’s out and about driving in his district.

    REP. JORDAN: (chuckles) I do. Yeah.

    CLAY: How excited were you when the news came down, not only that this judge has had the courage to issue this 59-page ruling but also that suddenly the Biden administration having reviewed it said (summarized), “Eh, she did a pretty good job here. Let’s use her as the reason why this mask mandate is gonna end”? How much did you enjoy it?

    REP. JORDAN: Right. No, I did particularly because personally I flew this morning. So, I just got… I had to fly through Charlotte and from Charlotte down to Florida; so I flew this morning, and it was so refreshing to get on the plane, 90% of the people now aren’t wearing masks. I think someone told me they tweeted out today, for everyone…

    They’re gonna go in an airport. Everyone who’s not wearing a mask they’re gonna go up and ask them, are you registered to vote, just to make sure, ’cause we figure those people are Republican voters anyway. So, no, it was great. This is freedom wins and Fauci loses. Common sense wins and the ridiculous CDC with some of the things they’ve been doing on this loses as well. Great day for America. Great day for freedom.

    BUCK: Congressman Jordan, I gotta ask you what you think the Democrats’ play is gonna be going forward here when it comes to covid restrictions and just more generally. I haven’t even heard what the narrative is supposed to be yet. I don’t even really pick up… They trot out a little bit of January 6 and insurrection stuff here and there —

    REP. JORDAN: Yeah, yeah.

    BUCK: — and that’s not gonna cut it with inflation at 8.5%, with a wide open southern border, with crime, violent crime increasing rapidly in cities. I think it’s important that we know what their pitch is gonna be or how they’re gonna try to play this. Do you have any sense of it? ‘Cause they obviously want to maintain control in the House. Hopefully they’re gonna get annihilated.

    REP. JORDAN: Yeah. No, yeah, hopefully they are, but I think you’re right, Buck, it will be January 6th. I think it starts next week. So, for the first time since Joe Biden’s been in office, Secretary Mayorkas is coming in front of the Judiciary Committee. The Democrats, Jerry Nadler kept him away but he’s final coming next week for a hearing.

    So, I think they’re gonna come in and they’re gonna talk about January 6th, and they’re gonna talk about the real threat is white supremacy and all these things that are… So, I think that’s gonna be their play. But I totally agree with you, Buck, that the country gets it. They know what’s happened on the border from secure border to chaos. They know what’s happened with inflation, from stable prices to a 41-year high inflation rate.

    They know what’s happened with gas prices. They see what has happened with energy. They see the whole thing, and then of course there’s foreign policy, and there’s the fact that they’ve attacked our liberties and used covid to come after our rights over the last year as well. So, I think the country sees all through it. But my guess is they’ll stick to what they’ve been talking about, which is January 6th.

    CLAY: So, here’s the question I also have, Congressman. Now that you see the numbers being as disastrous as they are for the Biden administration, we’re a little bit over six months from the midterms. I think you guys are gonna thankfully be back in the majority in the House, hopefully the Senate, which is a little bit more of a question mark just based on the seats that are up, but hopefully the Senate as well.

    REP. JORDAN: Right.

    CLAY: So are you concerned at all in Congress now that the Biden administration may see the same tealeaves, may recognize that no matter what they do they’re unlikely to have a congressional majority, so they try to pass — they just ram through — as much crazy government spending, tax increases as they can, knowing that as soon as it gets to be midterm day Biden’s not gonna have those votes in 2023 or 2024, and so they say, “Screw it! Let’s try to get through some of our favored laws ’cause we’re never gonna get ’em otherwise”?

    REP. JORDAN: Yeah, no, no, ’cause that’s Democrats. Go back a decade. They pushed through Obamacare knowing it was unpopular at the time. They pushed it through and last mathematically. That’s how Democrats function. In some ways you gotta admire their tenacity for their crazy left-wing beliefs, they actually go for it even knowing that this can cost them a lot of seats. I think sometimes Republicans need to be a little more focused on doing what we told the voters we were gonna do.

    So, yeah, I think they’ll do that but remember, too, Biden’s the one who told that, oh, if we spend two trillion more, it’s gonna help us. So they also say stupid things in the country, this is what the left misses. The left always thinks the country… You and I know that your audience and the American people have common sense; they’re smart. There’s a reason that only 30-some percent of the country thinks that we’re on the right track.

    We’re all on the wrong track. The country gets it. So they can try all their things. I think there’s gonna be pushback. And you’re beginning to see it. What is it now, nine Democrat Senators have said, “Wait a minute, time out on get rid of Title 42. We see how bad the border situation is. We know it’s gonna get that much worse if you do this.”

    So when you got nine senators — some of them from border states — saying that, I think there’s that pushback too; so let’s hope the bad stuff is done. We can hold our own and win back the majority in the House and as you say hopefully win the Senate as well.

    BUCK: Speaking to Congressman Jim Jordan of Ohio. Congressman, to the point about keeping the faith with your voters and with the American people more broadly, if Republicans take a big majority in the House — and we’re certainly hopeful that it will be not just a majority but one that sends a message, and we’re hoping it will be a message sent specifically on covid lockdowns and the lingering authoritarianism of Fauciism.

    What could you and your fellow Republicans do? I obviously know you can’t pass laws that Joe Biden won’t sign. But what can you do in terms of highlighting for the American people the truth and what promises can you make going forward so that when you do have a Republican president, we won’t backslide into the madness that we’ve seen of masking on planes and lockdowns and shutting down schools and all this stuff ’cause we’re gonna have flu seasons’ we’re gonna have covid seasons.

    REP. JORDAN: Yeah. I know. In the Judiciary Committee, we’re gonna focus on the Constitution. Remember it was two years ago this month, April 2020, Bill Barr put out a memorandum the U.S. attorney when we were just starting all this stuff with covid. He put out a memorandum and that memorandum said, “The Constitution is not suspended during a crisis,” and amen to that.

    And I would actually argue, that, in fact, is when the Constitution is most important. When things get difficult, that’s when the Bill of Rights and the Constitution, the First Amendment matters more than any other time. So we’re gonna focus on that and we’re gonna do our constitutional duty. The oversight and investigation needs to happen and point out all the things Fauci told us that were wrong, starting with the idea that this thing didn’t come from a lab, ’cause it sure looks like it did.

    Starting with the idea that he said it wasn’t gain-of-function. It sure looks like it was. And our tax dollars was spent in that lab. So we will focus on that issue, as well as the thing that drives me crazy: This idea that the experts are smarter than all the rest of us. The 51 former intelligence officials — because they have former intelligence officials in front of their name — somehow they’re smarter than the rest of us.

    And when they put out a memorandum that says, “Oh, the Hunter Biden story was Russia disinformation,” that somehow that’s the gospel when we all knew it was garbage at the time and we’ve since been proven that it was garbage. So we’ll focus on those kind of things, too, and this idea that these experts are running the country. It is not supposed to work that way in our constitutional system. It’s supposed to be able to the people who put their name on a ballot, run for office, if they get elected, they make the decisions and if they make bad ones we get a chance to throw ’em out so that’s how it’s supposed to work and we’ll focus on that.

    CLAY: Congressman Jim Jordan of Ohio with us now. I know you’ve been talking a lot about the Hunter Biden investigation that might well ensue with a House controlled by Republicans as well. Buck and I, you may have heard as you’re driving around in your district and traveling, have a bet — a steak bet — on whether or not Hunter Biden is going to face any federal charges.

    REP. JORDAN: (chuckles) Yeah.

    CLAY: Do you like one side or the other on that steak bet? And what is sort of the consensus conversation now like on Capitol Hill since the Washington Post, the New York Times, even CNN have stopped pretending that this is a made-up recession disinformation laptop, and actually is filled with what seems to be an awful lot of evidence of potentially criminal behavior?

    REP. JORDAN: Well, something’s up. You guys know this. You’ve talked about it so well. Something is up, because the Washington Post… I pointed out just a couple weeks ago: The Washington Post did two stories three weeks ago, one at 11 a.m., one at 11:04 a.m. — two eight-page stories, two minutes apart — saying the laptop story was real. Now, whenever you ever seen that? The Washington…

    Four minutes apart for goodness’ sake! So when the Washington Post is doing that, something has to be up. Whether that he is getting indicted or someone close, I don’t know. But think how this story has changed. It initially was, “Oh, it wasn’t his laptop;” then it was, “Oh, no, it was his laptop but it was Russian disinformation,” and then it was, “Well, it wasn’t Russian disinformation, but Joe had nothing to do with it,” and now it’s, “Well, Joe had something to do with it, but he didn’t do anything wrong.”

    And since that it’s even changed again, which is now some of these emails show, “Oh, James Biden and Joe Biden, and they were written this place and this was part of the business and it was a family enterprise.” So something is certainly up. What that is, I don’t know. We’ll just have to wait and see what the Justice Department ends up doing.

    BUCK: Congressman, just want to ask you what you think the Democrat aligned legacy media’s play is gonna be as we go into a Title 42 dissolution here that everybody… I mean, I was speaking to sources at the border last week, members of Border Patrol that I know and talk to. There’s no doubt that this is gonna create a massive mess at the border.

    The latest numbers, by the way, at our southern border include — I’m just seeing here — 32,000 from Cuba, 5,000 from India, almost 2,000 from China, that was among the roughly 250,000 who tried to get in the U.S. just in March. So that’s before Title 42 expires. It’s gonna get a lot bigger after that. What are the Democrats gonna say? What are Democrats in competitive school districts gonna tell people?

    REP. JORDAN: Well, the Senator Kelly in Arizona is telling Joe Biden don’t do it, ’cause he’s up for reelection and he’s in a tight race in an important state. So look, last month — March of 2022 — last month was the highest month on record for illegal immigrant encounters on our southern border. And next month they’re gonna make it worse. Now, tell me, where’s the logic there?

    I think the fundamental question Mayorkas needs to answer when he comes in front of us is, “Why are you doing this? Why are you intentionally doing this to the country? What is your motivation? Why are you deliberately having it so that we have the worst border situation in the history of United States of America? Why? Why? Intentional, deliberate, why are you doing it?”

    So that’s the fundamental question. And Democrats, again, who are in tough seats are saying things ’cause they realize, “Look, if I’m gonna keep my office, we gotta stop this.” And Border Patrol, the people on the border, the ICE agents, they will tell us it’s currently around seven, eight thousand a day, illegal immigrants coming across the border. It’s gonna go to 17/18,000 if we get rid of Title 42. And, again, you can’t have it both ways.

    You can’t say, “Oh, we gotta have masks in airports and at the same time we’re getting rid of Title 42 covid with the covid issue on the border.” It makes no sense. But, again, that’s pretty much consistent with the Biden administration. There’s not been one policy they’ve done that made any sense.

    CLAY: He is Congressman Jim Jordan. Fantastic. Appreciate the time, as always. Hope to run into you again soon.

    REP. JORDAN: All right, take care, guys. Keep it up. Thanks.

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    DeSantis Confronts the House of Mouse

    19 Apr 2022

    CLAY: The resistance to the authoritarian state is now centered on the Sunshine State — which, Buck, used to be a totally chill, crazy place — and they have emerged as bastions of liberty. As Ron DeSantis has classified it, Florida is an oasis of freedom.

    BUCK: Yeah, they’ve added American flags and tricorn hats to their neon flip-flops. I love it.

    CLAY: (chuckling) And so earlier today, there has been a lot of discussion about Disney deciding to wade into politics, and Disney decided to go full bore behind the idea that the Parental Rights in Education bill — which said kindergartener, first, second, and third graders were not going to be taught about sex-related issues — which virtually every parent who’s listening to this right now agrees with wholeheartedly.

    They decided, Disney did, that this was the “don’t say gay” bill, and they thought they could score points by trying to attack Florida over this. By the way, I’ll mention that Disney is in Hollywood, and nobody said anything about any sort of gay issues being pulled out of the most recent Harry Potter movie in order to play in China, which is the definition of “don’t say gay.”

    But when China does it, actually does it, everybody shuts up in Hollywood. But Ron DeSantis now is saying: Hey, Disney, if you’re gonna get involved in analyzing Florida state laws then we’re gonna reexamine our laws which have given — for decades — beneficial treatment to Disney associated with Disney World. Basically, what this allows…

    With the legislation they have there right now, Disney has sort of unbridled ability to develop its lands as it sees fit without the larger government apparatus being involved. And Ron DeSantis earlier today said, there’s a special legislative session that is going to exist, and one of the things that they are going to debate is whether Disney should retain that special exemption status. Listen to this.

    BUCK: So, Clay, first off this is Ron DeSantis doing what should have been done in every other Republican-governed state when it comes to redistricting, which is: Write the maps the way that you think they should be written. There’s always some degree of arbitrariness in congressional districts, and you can see in some places, the congressional map is like Rorschach blot test.

    CLAY: Just crazy what they do to try to protect some districts and make others more or less competitive. Ron DeSantis is writing a map — or, rather, the state legislature, which is Republican controlled, is writing the congressional map — the way that they want it to be, which is what should be done in these states, okay? That’s one thing. I don’t know why… Republicans go, “Oh, but if we do it then they’ll do it.” Trust me. Every place —

    BUCK: They’re already doing it.

    CLAY: New York, where you live, they have an outrageous… By the way, question for you. Where does the gerrymander come from? You’re a history guy. Do you know where the word gerrymander comes from like the gerrymander of a district?

    BUCK: No. Where does it come from?

    CLAY: Well, your tricorn hat. This is my opportunity to show off my nerddom. I believe it’s Elbridge Gerry, who is a congressman I believe from Massachusetts. (Our staff can confirm that I am correct here) and he drew a district or was the beneficiary, perhaps, of a district that was one of the first to be gerrymandered.

    They are doing their best to ensure that he was able to stay in office, and that is where the phrase gerrymandered comes from. I believe Elbridge Gerry, who was a Massachusetts congressman, who was the first beneficiary of having a district basically built specifically for him to stay in power. So what is going on here…

    BUCK: By the way.

    CLAY: I might not have nailed every single aspect of that, but off the top of my head pretty good. I didn’t even think about it. But you’ve been to Disney World, I’m presuming, at some point, right?

    BUCK: I think I was like 6. I don’t remember it at all.

    CLAY: Oh, okay.

    BUCK: Yeah.

    CLAY: So I’ve been to Disney World a ton over the years, and so if you have been to Disney World, they have tens of thousands of acres that they bought up. Memorably, Walt Disney himself went around in disguise to buy up all of this central Florida farmland for low prices. They didn’t know what exactly was going on. What happened was Disneyland, everybody built all around Disneyland.

    And even though they built the amusement part, Orange County out in California, Disney felt like so many other people were making money off of his creation. So he wanted basically his own world; so they early computer days, figured out where’s the best place to have an amusement park that could be opened 365 days a year, went undercover to at that point middle of nowhere Florida.

    Orlando was a tiny little speck of a town, comparatively — bought up everything, and they, then, were given by the legislature basically carte blanche to do whatever they wanted in terms of development with that land. What DeSantis is saying is, “Okay, you want play in politics? We’ll fire back on politics with you as well.”

    And this is important, Buck, because what’s Disney gonna do? It’s not like they can pick up Disney World and move. They’re locked into Florida forever. This is not some, hey, this company’s gonna relocate and go to a new state. No, no, no. Disney World’s always gonna be in Florida at Orlando.

    BUCK: DeSantis was a college baseball player. This is a brushback pitch. This is, “Okay, Disney!”

    CLAY: Look at you, with all the sports analogies today!

    BUCK: I pick up on some things. DeSantis is saying, you guys want to play rough in the political world? This can go both ways, and this is the way that it should be. I think one of the failings that you see of Republican-governed states is their attitude is just whatever woke corporation wants to come here, we’ll give them our great tax treatment, our low regulations.

    We’ll give them tax breaks even. Well, are they actually being good stewards of the system that they’re benefiting from once they come into this state? Or they working to undermine the very system that they benefited from after they’ve left the hellhole that they created of needles and human waste on the streets in San Francisco, let’s say?

    These are things that should be taken into account. And in Florida they actually do seem to be taking this into account. Austin, Texas, we love you, but I’m looking at Austin, Texas, right now, ’cause they got a lot of wokesters that have taken over there.

    CLAY: Well, I think the easy way to think about it — bushback pitch is a good analogy too. If somebody punches you in the face and you consistently say, “Oh, I’m sorry. I’m sorry you felt the need to punch me. That’s the way that a lot of Republicans respond to business, right? Like, “Oh, they’re gonna respond to woke politics? Boom! I’m gonna punch your values right in the face.” And then you say, “Oh, I’m sorry.

    “I’m so disappointed that you felt the need to punch me. Could you please not do that in the future?” Sooner or later, the corporations get used to the idea that they can always punch you in the face, and they can respond to the woke element of their population, and the rest of the people…

    To your point, Buck: You try to be friendly, and you try to be logical and rational, and at some point you have to throw a bunch back, right? You have to let it be known that you’re not just a punching bag — and that, to me, is what DeSantis is do in Florida.

    BUCK: I mean, this is how politics works in every other state. I mean, you look at New York. When Governor Cuomo was running things, you went against Cuomo? Never mind the Democrat Party, he would find a way to make you pay.

    CLAY: Yes.

    BUCK: Now, I think with him it was overly personal and kind of solipsistic. It was about Andrew Cuomo all the time.

    CLAY: Wow.

    BUCK: Yeah, you know.

    CLAY: That’s a tough word to even pronounce. I recognize reading it, I didn’t know how to pronounce it.

    BUCK: I try to work ’em into the discourse here, some of those fancy words. But I think it was all about him. In the state of Florida, I think it’s about protecting what Florida has become. So there’s actually a bigger mission here when it comes to polling, for example, Disney’s… You know Disney is basically saying, if there’s a law in Florida that our woke executives don’t like, we’re gonna go to war with the Republican Party in the state of Florida. And it’s like, “Okay, that’s a two-way street,” and that’s the way it should be.

    CLAY: And, by the way, bad move about you Disney because they may lose a lot more than they gain to the extent that they gained anything at all.

    BUCK: What’s your take, Clay, real quick, on trademark protection? Because I say life of the author for a lot of this stuff is what it was supposed to be. Disney keeps getting extensions —

    CLAY: Yeah, they kept getting them.

    BUCK: — so that Mickey Mouse and Donald Duck are trademark items. Doesn’t mean that you know if they lost this, they couldn’t still sell them, but other people could too. It’s been over a hundred years I think. Aren’t we at the point where with some of these things it’s getting close to the century mark?

    CLAY: Yeah, Mickey Mouse is basically a hundred years old, and I think should enter into the public domain, and that would be a significant factor. By the way, the way that Disney — and I think it’s brilliant — got initially wealthy was by taking stories that were already in the public domain — Cinderella, Peter Pan, Lady and the Tramp, I believe.

    Whatever story is out there — Snow White — he just turned them into animated films. Those stories, those fairy tales were already out there. So he’s done this before and taken advantage of the public domain. Mickey Mouse should be in the public domain. I don’t think they should extend the copyright restriction any further, in my personal opinion.

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    19 Apr 2022

    BUCK: Border’s wide open, folks.

    BUCK: That was Governor Abbott of Texas there talking to our friend Sean Hannity last night, and here’s what’s going on. Just so we all are very clear, people from all over the world — we’ve got the latest numbers here — about 4700 from the Philippines, 5000 from India, 400 from Myanmar, 1900 from China, 2600 from Russia, 2300 from Turkey, 1600 from Brazil. And then you get into the closer countries: Mexico 88,000, Guatemala 21,000, Nicaragua 16,000. People from all over the world that know the border is wide open, which is why they’re showing up from literally the other side of the world, and this is in advance of Title 42.

    Understand that even those who are turned away under Title 42, unless they are arranged to be flown back to the Philippines, China, Romania — 900 from Romania — they will just try again, Clay. Just so people understand: Just being turned away doesn’t mean they don’t get into the country. They don’t get into the country in the end. It just means the first attempt was unsuccessful. The border is a joke right now.

    CLAY: There are thousands of people who can’t get visas for fleeing Ukraine, Buck, traveling to Mexico as if they were gonna be on some sort of tropical vacation and then taking the trip all the way up to the border. And when you run through all of those different nationalities, this is going to become a even bigger issue than it is right now, which is people using our lenient southern border rules, because it’s far easier to get into the United States through the southern border than it is legally, in any way.

    And so even if you’re of the opinion, “Hey, we should be taking in some of these Ukrainian refugees,” I think the Biden administration has said we’re gonna take in a hundred thousand, we may be taking in 30/40,000 before all is said and done through our southern border and barely having any ability to track them at all, and so this is I think one reason, Buck, why they allowed Judge Kathryn Kimball Mizelle’s ruling down in Florida to stand ended the masks was.

    Because they’ve got Mayorkas testifying next week, as Congressman Jim Jordan just told us, and he would have gotten obliterated on how the CDC can be lifting Title 42 at the border while simultaneously extending mask mandates. And so I think the Biden administration saw this as a clever way to avoid responsibility for this judge reaching the right result, which is why they’re not appealing it.

    BUCK: Yes. DOJ is apparently considering it, according to the White House. They’re mulling over their options. I think you will be proven correct with your assessment that they think this is the past of least resistance, but they’re still doing the, “Well, you know, we might…” I think that’s them trying to create a little leeway here for themselves with the blue check MD Mafia that’s in total meltdown over the mask mandate changing. But they still theoretically could bring a challenge, the Department of Justice could try to bring a challenge. All it takes is one appeals court to weigh in and all of a sudden, they’re gonna mask everybody up again.

    CLAY: Can you imagine suddenly if telling people you’re gonna take your masks off, halfway through a flight if the pilot got on and said, “New rule, everybody has to put their masks on,” which is why I would encourage nobody to travel with a mask to the airport ’cause if the rule is you don’t need one now, it’s their responsibility to make you wear one at that point. But that would be a mess. Not a good look for the Bidens.

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    19 Apr 2022

    CLAY: Las Vegas for the NFL Draft next week, there will be hundreds of thousands of people there. We’re number one in Las Vegas. I bet a lot of people listening to us in Vegas right now as well as many people who will drive in for the weekend from L.A. and San Diego and all these different places — Phoenix — to hang out for the weekend in Vegas and celebrate their team drafting.

    So, Mel Kiper is a just absolutely universally known name in the NFL Draft. He’s been doing it since the draft was not even televised. Great, great personality and character in the ESPN talent family. He refused to get the covid shot, Buck. This just came out yesterday in advance of ESPN covering the NFL Draft, and Mel Kiper basically said — and I wish more people had been willing to do this. (summarized) “I understand, ESPN, that you are mandating everybody to get the covid shot. I ain’t doing it.”

    And he basically threw up double birds at ESPN and dared them to fire him. ESPN, of course, did not because he’s the most well-known person in all of the NFL Draft coverage. And so Mel Kiper’s going to be covering this from home. Now, what makes it particularly absurd, Buck, is, as I just said:

    Hundreds of thousands of people are attending the NFL Draft. None of them are going to be required to be vaccinated. None of them are going to be required to wear masks. Yet Mel Kiper has to appear from his home because he chose not to get the covid shot. But Mel Kiper’s moving up my draft board, Buck. This was a strong play by him.

    BUCK: I just learned this gentleman’s name today, and he goes alongside my new favorite quarterback and my new favorite point guard, Aaron Rodgers and, of course, Kyrie Irving for people who take a stand for freedom. So I’ve gotta… I guess he doesn’t have a jersey ’cause he’s, like, an analyst, right? But —

    CLAY: No, but he’s got really world-famous hair.

    BUCK: Ohhhh.

    CLAY: So it would make sense that you’d be a big Mel Kiper guy.

    BUCK: Hair respects hair, Travis. Travis has got good hair. He’s got good hair.

    CLAY: I do. I kept mine short. I’ve kept mine short. You’ve got full helmet there, so you’re in good shape.

    BUCK: Just in case something goes wrong on the scooter, Clay…

    CLAY: You gotta be protected.

    BUCK: I can’t be on the injured reserve list ’cause I got a little thump on the skull; so I carry my helmet protection with me all the time: The swoop.

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