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KBJ’s Viral Catchphrase: “I’m Not a Biologist”

24 Mar 2022

CLAY: We’re about to be joined by Senator Marsha Blackburn, at the top of next hour, who had clearly the most eye-opening interaction with Ketanji Brown Jackson, the judge who is up for the Supreme Court seat to replace Justice Breyer, and if you missed that early this week, Marsha Blackburn asked this simple question: Can you define a woman? Listen to this.

CLAY: “I’m not a biologist,” which is going to go viral. Now, this also was used by Judge Jackson to respond to a question about unborn babies. “I’m not a biologist,” I think, is going to go viral, by the way. Because, like, it’s pretty crazy. But this is her tagline. Let’s listen to this as well.

BUCK: This is amazing, by the way. I’m not a transportation expert, but I’m pretty sure that carjacking is a really bad thing. I don’t know how to build a car, Clay — I’m not a mechanic — but I oppose carjacking.

CLAY: The fact that this would be the fallback line, “I’m not a biologist”? You’re asked to define a woman, all right? Men have penises. Women have vaginas. I just gave you a pretty good… Sorry. If you missed biology, that’s a pretty easy answer, right? You don’t have to be a biologist to know the difference between a man and a woman, and you don’t have to be a biologist to have some sense, certainly, for a judge who understands and had to study as a law student, and has had to…

Look, I know the Roe v. Wade standard, right? I’m a lawyer. I had to learn it. I had to understand what the Supreme Court did. I just despise when we know that people are lying to us. “I’m not a biologist” is a lie, and it is brought to bear, Buck, because the Democratic Party is so enthralled, right now, in the grasp of the transgender… What would you even call it? The transgender army. The transgender interest group?

They are terrified, that they are terrified of saying something that could offend them. This is why we have to have… Google now, you can Google, “Can men get pregnant?” and they will tell you, yes. There’s a pregnant man emoji that you can get on your phone. Men can’t have babies! This is crazy that we have to say it. You want to talk about biology? I mean, these are fundamental scientific facts that aren’t allowed to be said because they might offend someone who is likely to vote for you.

BUCK: The left, the Democrat Party, the activists pick these fights, by the way. They like to do this thing now. “Oh, while people are suffering in Ukraine, you’re sitting here talking about how we refer to you as ‘menstruating people’ instead of women.” It’s like, that is the worst part of whataboutism and deflection. It’s so obvious. But this is what they do. They pick these fights. They push for the trans swimmer Lia Thomas for the NCAA to bend a knee.

CLAY: Yes!

BUCK: They made all this stuff happen. We are reacting to their madness, and this is good. Going into a midterm. People need to know. They need to understand. This is not a fringe belief. When Ketanji Brown Jackson, who is going to be on the Supreme Court soon, refuses to define what a woman is, this shows the country that to be considered a left-wing intellectuals person in public life, in good standing with the Democratic Party, you must pretend you don’t know what a woman and a man is. You must obey the final commandment from Orwell’s 1984 that you reject the evidence of your eyes and ears. That is what is required today.

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Former Trump Pentagon Official Elbridge Colby Talks Ukraine

24 Mar 2022

BUCK: We have Bridge Colby now with us, cofounder and principal of The Marathon Initiative, a policy initiative focused on developing strategies to prepare the United States for an era of sustained great power competition. He is the author of The Strategy of Denial: American Defense in an Age of Great Power Conflict. Bridge, great to have you back.

COLBY: Great to be with you.

BUCK: What are you seeing right now in terms of the war from a purely military… We’ll get into the Biden response. He’s over in Europe and all that, in a moment, Bridge. But from a military assessment, order of battle, and how this is playing out perspective, how is this going from the Russian perspective, how is this going from defense from the Ukrainian perspective, based on defenses and troop losses and everything?

COLBY: Sure. As I think as you said, it’s the biggest war in the European continent since the Second World War, and it’s turned into something like a slugfest. I think a lot of us, including myself, have been surprised by how the Russians not only haven’t done as well, it would seem at this point — although there’s reason for skepticism about some of the war reporting. They haven’t done sort of as well as we expected in the beginning.

Part of that seems like probably — my guess is — it’s from the top, from Putin. They tried a coup de ‘tat. Take out/decapitate Zelensky, and the state would fall apart. And they’ve been surprised, as we all have, I think, by the ferocity and the vigor of the Ukrainians fighting for hearth and home. Fighting for their own country. And that has really led to…

And now they’re kind of devolved into a slugfest, which is kind of the traditional way of war which is artillery, clear the place out, and just win by mass saturation. That’s the way it seems to be going. That said, the Russians seem to have been having difficulties. There may be more difficulties coming out. They have been making some progress particularly in the south. So I think the jury is still out, and we don’t see the Russians relenting at this point. So it’s definitely too early for a victory lap.

CLAY: Bridge, appreciate you coming on with us. I was reading NATO estimates of Russian casualties particularly the dead. The report is pretty wide ranging in terms of its scope. They say between 7,000 and 15,000 Russian soldiers are dead, around 40,000 or so wounded. How accurate do you think these estimates might be and what sort of numbers would have to occur for Russian forces — due to losses — to decide not to continue their advance?

COLBY: Well, I think… It’s a pretty big range. It strikes me as plausible. This is high-intensity warfare. I mean, these are extremely lethal munitions that are being employed. And, you know, we’ve seen the Russian forces. We’ve seen these reports of general officers and senior field-grade officers get killed. So it strikes me in the right order of magnitude. I would be surprised if it’s substantially lower than 7,000. It’s a real beating on both sides.

You know, there’s a rule of thumb that maybe if a combat unit loses a third of its strength, it starts to fall apart. I would be surprised to find the Russians just kind of give up and go home. It’s possible. But the Russians, it appears that they’re bringing forces from other theaters. Even more. They had 190,000 or so, I believe, to start. So if you’re talking 50,000 total casualties, you’re really running against some significant numbers. But it doesn’t look like they’re giving up, giving up yet. They’re kind of going to their sort of familiar territory of just beating, trying to beat Ukraine into submission for probably a more partial victory than they had hoped for in the beginning.

BUCK: Speaking of Bridge Colby, Cofounder and principal to Marathon Initiative. Former deputy assistant secretary of Defense for strategy. Bridge, what does, in your estimation as somebody who has looked at the assessment, analysis that we do at the Pentagon on a whole range of issues? What do you think Putin wants here? What is the end state that he thinks is achievable? Because it would be important to know this so that we could at least try diplomatically and negotiation to get to that cease-fire and to the end of the conflict. What do you think would be what Putin would finally stop the bullets and the bombs for?

COLBY: Well, I think that’s the right way to think about it. It’s probably variable. I mean, he probably was looking for something much bigger at the beginning and hoping he could get it. And, you know, the key is that the battlefield is going to determine a lot of this. And my partner — brilliant strategist and former Trump State Department official Wes Mitchell — had a piece in Foreign Affairs laying out what this might look like, a kind of, what he calls a “fortified Ukrainian neutrality,” which I think is kind of what we want Putin to be forced to accept.

Which is probably a sort of a neutrality like Finland or Austria traditionally had, so not NATO membership is almost certainly be the case, but a very strong Ukrainian Army, not demilitarization, which is probably what Putin wants. Because at this point, I bet the Russians are thinking, “You know, this is going to be our first bite at the apple,” or at least they’re hoping. “It’s very bloody. We didn’t do as well as we wanted to.

“We want to get as much as we can. We’ll lick our wounds and come back at it in a few years,” might be what they’re thinking. We don’t want that to be an attractive option. We want Ukraine — I think Ukrainians, more importantly want — a strong, hearty, powerful army, that Putin will not be able to roll over or whoever Putin’s successor is.

So that’s probably the trade space, and I think we should… You know, the Ukrainians want to fight so we should encourage and supply them and make them capable of doing that. But also, there’s going to have to be a political solution, and we should not stand in the way of that. We should help the Ukrainians along that path where we can.

BUCK: Bridge, we’re one month in, officially right now. How much longer does this go, in your mind? If you were setting the range of how much longer the process, as we’ve seen it for the last month, is likely to continue, what to you makes sense?

COLBY: Well, I think there’s a couple of possibilities. I don’t think the intensity of the first month can be sustained. I mean, we’ve seen reports that the Russians are running out of key munitions very quickly, and they’re even using potentially hypersonic munitions, maybe even because they don’t have enough of the normal kind. So it’s gonna take time, even with Russian industry, to reconstitute/regenerate that.

So what we can see is either a ceasefire of some kind, which would be ideal on favorable terms for the Ukrainians. An alternative, though, might be a protracted conflict, where you might see a lull in the fighting for months or even a year and then a resurgence, a more intensified version of what we’ve seen in eastern Ukraine. That would be a bad outcome. It wouldn’t be the worst outcome. I think that’s probably the stakes we’re looking at.

BUCK: Bridge, how do you assess the Biden administration response to this invasion? I mean, I feel like there’s a failure in some sense that the invasion happened.

COLBY: Right.

BUCK: Outside forces, powers weren’t able to prevent that. But since the invasion started, what are they doing right, what are they doing wrong in this White House?

COLBY: Well, look, I think the fundamental thing — and I don’t think this is churlish; I think this is important. I mean, this is an epic failure of American policy and Western policy. Presumably — and I think it’s untoward to be sort of taking victory laps at this point in any respective. There are three million of refugees, tens of thousands of people are dead. This was not the goal of American policy.

It wasn’t the goal of American policy under the last administration, and not under this administration. This is a big failure. It’s the largest war in Europe, and there’s a very real chance of very serious escalation. We’re not at the end of this path by a long stretch. Since the invasion, I think the administration does deserve credit in some areas. Unlike some of my fellow Republicans, I do think we need to take seriously the fact that — Democrats too — that Putin has a very large and a sophisticated nuclear arsenal.

It’s larger and more sophisticated than ours, and the only thing standing between us and a Russian nuclear attack is Vladimir Putin’s incentive structure. So the administration does deserve credit on that front. They have been, I think, behind the curve — again, before the invasion — in supplying things like Javelins and other really important military equipment. You know, I would say the lesson here is not sanctions. It’s not allied unity.

What is stopping the Russians is Ukrainians fighting. It’s the title of my book, Strategy and Denial. This is the lesson. Is if you want to stop aggression, you have to be able to fight for it. It’s not sanctions. It’s not condemnations by the G7. Putin would be rolling all the way to the Western border if that’s all he faced, but he’s not. He’s facing these tough Ukrainians fighting for their country — not fighting, by the way, for the world-based international order. They’re fighting for their country.

They’re fighting for kind of popular nationalism. So great on them, and we should supply them. But, you know, I do think the administration could do more on supplying and moving quickly. But I also think they have been right not to push too far, because, you know, look, the Russians are not Saddam Hussein’s Iraq; they’re not the Taliban. These guys can really hurt us. So we’ve gotta to be careful to thread that needle and achieve our goals and help the Ukrainians without precipitating, frankly, World War III.

BUCK: Bridge Colby. The Strategy of Denial: American Defense in an Age of Great Power Conflict is his book. Highly recommend it to you. Bridge, great to have you, my friend. Thanks for joining.

COLBY: Great to be with you.

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10 Airline CEOs Tell Biden to Drop Mask Mandate

24 Mar 2022

BUCK: I wanted to start off with ten airlines CEOs — ten airline CEOs — have written a letter to Joe Biden, specifically citing the drop in cases and the different period of time now with regard to the covid situation and how there needs to be an end. April 18th, I think when it expires, the mask mandate for interstate travel.

So Amtrak, planes, you name it. Ten airline CEOs are coming out to say — have written this and signed this letter to the Biden regime. Clay, they’re saying, look, we’re in a different place now. There are some fascinating parts to this. They had over 6,000 unruly passenger incidents last year; over 70% of those are mask issues, meaning passengers getting agitated about this.

CLAY: Yes.

BUCK: I just want to put out there, there are two aspects of this policy that have always just shown us how stupid it is. One, it is not a mask-up policy. It is officially — and you hear this when the announcement comes out — a mask-up-between-bites policy. There’s zero science by this, and then there’s the filtration systems on the plane. Do you think the Biden administration will finally take its hand off the throat, off of the face of the American people when it comes to flying?

CLAY: Well, so let’s break this down for everybody. Remember, this was set to expire on March the 18th, and then the Biden administration extended it for at least another month. So, it goes till April 18th now, and I think a lot of these CEOs from the airlines… Remember, the Southwest CEO and the American Airlines CEO under oath in Congress testified that their filtration systems rendered it far safer to be on an airplane, for instance, than almost anywhere else that you could be.

I think this is significant, Buck, because I just want to run through the ten different airline CEOs: Alaska Airlines, American Airlines, Atlas Air Worldwide, Delta, FedEx (obviously FedEx has, I think, more planes than anybody in the world for the package delivery), Hawaiian Airlines, JetBlue Airways, Southwest Airlines, United, UPS, and then somebody from Airline for America. So this is about as extensive…

If you fly on a domestic air travel, in the United States, the CEO of your airline that you are flying most frequently, probably came out and said, this is a mindless; it doesn’t make any sense. They wrote a direct letter to Biden, and they laid out the fact that data… I mean, again. I know the Democrats claim to be the Party of Science. But they have all sorts of different protocols, and they basically just laid all the data out of why they are completely unnecessary as it pertains to mask mandates going forward.

Now, here’s the question, Buck: Will Joe Biden, as we get prepared for this April 18th date — ’cause he already extended it for a month, on March 18th. Will this have impact? Because I’ll tell you this. When we wrote about it at OutKick, the site traffic on this is monumentally massive. Because lots of places, frankly, aren’t going to cover it. This should be, to me… You tell me how I’m wrong on this.

I don’t know how this isn’t front-page news. If you’re just being honest about what news is, for the New York Times, for the Washington Post, I don’t know how it’s not being covered by CNN and MSNBC. To get ten airline CEOs to all write a letter to the president laying out why there’s no basis whatsoever to justify a mask mandate? Here’s the other thing I would say: I would call on these CEOs, to rescind all of the bans of the people that were banned over mask mandates.

Because look, you talk about 70% of them, of the airline issues. You know, Buck. You travel. It’s high stress. A lot of times, you have a kid with you. You’re worried about making your flight. You’re probably trying to get somewhere on time. And then a flight attendant comes by and is sort of constantly chirping at you about “Make sure your mask is above your nose.”

BUCK: It’s moronic. It’s moronic.

CLAY: You can see why people every now and then chirp back, and then those conversations accelerate where both sides get angry, right? You can see how this happens.

BUCK: Yeah. This is how you also knew that Fauci was a fraud very early on. Because to say that masks keep you safe on a plane, where the air is cleaner than effectively anywhere else because of the things they have on the plane.

CLAY: Because of the filtration system, yes.

BUCK: No one disputes that science. Let’s be clear.

CLAY: Yeah. That’s right.

BUCK: No one says that the airline CEOs don’t know what they’re talking about, when it comes to the air filtration systems on their plane. So that is not in dispute. But beyond that, as I said, the mask-between-bites policy meant there was always an arbitrary and capricious nature of the enforcement of this.

CLAY: Yes.

BUCK: It was did the airline attendant happen — and bite, I know we have airline attendants who listen to us. They’re great patriots. They’re awesome people. I’m not talking about you. If you’re one of the people who were like, “Sir, would you mind? Other passengers might flip out.” There were those people, and I experience that, and I get it. They want to keep their jobs.

CLAY: Yes.

BUCK: They didn’t want complaints about them, about the airline attendant not enforcing it. But then there were the people. I will never forget. I had a male airline attendant tell me — and he yelled at me. “Your mask is too thin, sir! Put on a different mask,” and I’m looking at this guy like, “You are a true moron and a fascist. Do you realize that?” I wish I would have said that within, but they would have kicked me off the plane. This shows how stupid it was the entire time, and I think it’s important, Clay, and it should be a bigger new story, and I’m glad that Outkick — OutKick.com.

CLAY: Yes.

BUCK: I’m glad that OutKick is doing huge traffic on it because people need to know, we need normal now.

CLAY: Yes.

BUCK: We don’t need the continuation. This is the version… This is like the frisking of granny from Oklahoma in her wheelchair as a possible suicide bomber risk on the airplane. Remember that? You saw those videos. This is the equivalent policy of making veterans strip down and have the TSA imbecile checking to see if a veteran’s prosthetic is maybe smuggling a weapon on to the plane. This is crazy. It was never smart. It was never rationale. It was never reasonable. And the Biden administration. This is a really interesting moment, Clay. How are they going to say the science is with with them on this? What is the argument even?

CLAY: There isn’t. It’s a great question, and I don’t know how they respond to this. I mean, I understand Biden is overseas right now with NATO. But I hope that there are White House media that will hold him accountable and ask him, “Given the science — you claim that you are the Party of Science — there’s no way…” Again, I think this is wildly significant. That all ten CEOs have signed this letter together. And the reason why I think they’re doing it together is, it makes it harder to argue and pick and pull apart one of them for the other of them.

And, remember, Buck — we have to give credit — there are a lot of different airline pilots now, who have filed a lawsuit arguing that the CDC doesn’t have the authority to continue to implement this policy as it pertains to air travel. And also, I think it’s significant that the Senate, by a 57 to 40 margin, if I’m not mistaken, which given where we are at 50-50 era, where there’s almost no bipartisanship… Remember Mitt Romney was the only Republican who voted against the mask mandate being lifted?

BUCK: Yup.

CLAY: This is pretty significant, when you put all that together, and I wish that we could get a case accelerated to the Supreme Court, because in the same way that they struck down the vaccine mandate as exceeding the authority of OSHA, I think there is an argument that after two years, the CDC has exceeded their authority to continue to roll this mask mandate as it’s being removed everywhere else.

BUCK: See, I go back and forth, because on the one hand, I want the stupid policies to end. There is an urgency to that, because the further we go to the end destination here of actual normalcy, the harder it will be for them, because they want to. Right now, they’re preparing for next fall. As we always said, “Oh, he doesn’t take the virus seriously!” this summer. They’re idiots, and they act like no one can remember anything.

We have to get to total normalcy now, so that it makes it harder for the pendulum to swing back to lunacy. Fauci is not done. There is going to be this whole effort, and I think that’s why the mask mandate on the planes is such an important fight for us to have. And I also think, Clay, we’re seeing more and more people recognize — It’s slow, but it is growing — what were we made to do this whole time?

What is wrong with these Democrat politicians and the stupid things that they said? Because you know what I’m hearing? “Oh, well, we learned a lot during the pandemic. A lot of things changed!” That wasn’t their attitude even a few months ago. A few months ago, it was, “We got it all right. We knew exactly! Fauci is a genius.” Now you’re starting to hear, “Yeah. There were some lessons learned.” Oh-ho, yeah, there were. Oh, yeah, there were. So how these things end is the point I was trying to make. I want them to end, but I want them to end because people realize that they never should have happened in the first place.

CLAY: That’s important. And also, don’t allow this to be one of those things where you swing back and forth. Right? When we end the mask mandate on airplanes, I want to drive it into the ground so that it never comes back, because the data tells us — just go ahead and start this segment of the show — in the summer, the hotter it is (in the South, Florida in particular, other places in the South) — cases go up. July and August is when covid has typically surged in Texas, in Georgia, in Tennessee, all over the South.

Because if you remember last year, Buck, right before football season, Fauci was like, “Oh, there’s no way we’ll be able to play football season without cases skyrocketing,” and then as the temperature starts to decline and people spend more time outside, guess what happens? Covid dries up in the South and it moves to the North where when it starts to get cold, everybody goes inside. It’s so clear what’s going to happen.

And what’s happened the first two years is, every time this occurs, “Oh, there’s a reason why this is happening is because Florida doesn’t take covid seriously enough. Ron DeSantis is killing everyone!” It may be more aggressive this year, Buck, because it’s an election year and the governorship is up in Florida. So they may even try to sell that crap even harder this year, than they have in the past two years.

BUCK: Yeah. They’ll do everything they can, to make it seem like the best governor — when it comes to record, fact, and reality in America, during the pandemic — Ron DeSantis in Florida is the worst.

CLAY: Yes.

BUCK: (sarcastic) “He was awful. Everybody died in Florida, don’t you realize?” No. It turned out that’s not the case. In fact —

CLAY: We survived the winter of death. Everybody listening. Congratulations!

BUCK: People are moving to Florida.

CLAY: Yes.

BUCK: Nobody is moving to Los Angeles and San Francisco right now after the pandemic after what they’ve seen.

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What Is a Woman? Question Stumps Brightest Democrat Mind

23 Mar 2022

CLAY: We begin with the Party of Science running into a bit of a brick wall, Buck Sexton. The Party of Science that has been arguing for two years now, basically, “You have to wear a mask. You have to socially distance. Your kids can’t be in school — or they can be in school, but they have to have masks on,” all these different moving parts which are unsupported by science at all.

I feel like they came to a head in the Senate Judiciary Committee hearing late last night, when Sen. Marsha Blackburn from Tennessee — who, by the way, is scheduled to join us tomorrow on the program — asked what would be a fairly simple question considering we have one of the great, esteemed legal minds of our generation (according to Democrats) poised to join the Supreme Court. Sen. Marsha Blackburn asked Ketanji Brown Jackson a simple question.

She said, “What is a woman?”

This is what it sounded like:

CLAY: Oh, “I’m not a biologist” is going to become a famous line, I think, because most kids out there if they were in kindergarten, “Can you tell me the difference between a boy and girl?” Probably have that nailed down a little bit even by kindergarten. “I’m not a biologist” is an all-time line.

BUCK: It’s amazing, Clay, I’ve actually heard this. This is what the activists expect. There’s multiple levels here, and in one moment you see so much of what the Marxists in our midst have become. Here’s the thing. If she were to define it — which you or I could sit here do, everyone listening here, everyone, a woman, a female human being with female human parts and you could get into more specifics if you want.

CLAY: Yeah.

BUCK: If they define it, then they’re actually excluding some people from the definition. So they won’t actually give you a definition.

CLAY: By “some people,” you mean transgender people?

BUCK: Exactly, and if they defined it in such a way that was broad enough that it included transgender individuals, a lot of the country would say, “Wait, hold on a second.” Now a woman is officially a person who psychologically and emotionally identifies as female. What are the parameters for that identity? Does it have to be a physical transition? How quickly can this happen? And it all falls apart.

So they can’t actually give you definition that they would want to have because there is no definition that’s acceptable to them, and then I think beyond that… So she did exactly what the left expects. She knows that she would have upset the activist Democrat left if she had said, “A woman is a biological female or an anatomically female human being.”

So they also expect you to say things — and this is part of the “fealty to wokeness,” you have to say things you know to be untrue and to make you sound dumber than you are as part of what it means to be woke. You have to be willing to do that. It’s a form of intellectual self-negation. You have you to bend the knee and say, “Yes, sure! I don’t know what a woman is because I’m woke.” That’s where it is now, if you’re going to be at that elite level for the left.

CLAY: And she was prepared for this question, Buck, which is what you’re hinting at, because I’ve heard Matt Walsh of the Daily Wire ask this question a lot. This is a question that Democratic activists don’t have an answer for. Anybody with a rational, functional brain knows how to define the difference between a man and a woman. But we are talking about someone who, by the way, is being held as “the first black female nominee for the Supreme Court,” yet doesn’t even, herself, feel comfortable to acknowledge what a woman actually is!

So there are major — I would say major — issues now being raised about Ketanji Brown Jackson as these questions are going on. Now, it’s not going to change the outcome, because I don’t think it’s very likely that a Democrat is going to bail on her. I think Joe Manchin is there to vote for her, and Kyrsten Sinema, the people willing to bail on some of the Biden agenda. I don’t think they’re going to bail here.

So at worst case scenario, we’re looking at 50/50 with Kamala Harris able to break the tie. This is one bad answer, Buck. Do you agree, by the way, that the Democrats will stay solid here and there’s no way they’re prepared?

BUCK: I told a friend of mine who is a very solid legal scholar on the right, just in passing, I thought it will be five. He thinks it will be two or three Republican votes. But there’s going to be a couple. You know who some of them are. She’ll get through most likely with a handful of Republican votes. I think it’s going to be four or five. But it will at least be a couple of them. There’s another level to this, Clay, in the response. Democrats will absolutely keep a unified front. Imagine if you’re a Democrat and you’re going to be running in a primary at any point and you voted against the first…?

CLAY: It might help Joe Manchin if he runs in 2024.

BUCK: I wasn’t thinking about Manchin.

CLAY: Because his state is the most Trump state in the entire United States. So if he’s gonna run in two years, he might be the only Democrat that would legitimately run.

BUCK: He’s kind of a Republican but that’s a fair point.

CLAY: He stuck with the Republicans at the State of the Union Address which didn’t get as much attention as I thought it might.

BUCK: But even Kyrsten Sinema 100% will vote for her. By the way, people are calling her KBJ. There’s Ruth Bader Ginsburg, RBG. I think we’re starting to see KBJ. Remember there was a cult around Ruth Bader Ginsburg. People were worshipping her. Rest in peace. She was a geriatric, old woman and people were worshipping her workout routines. Remember that?

CLAY: Yeah.

BUCK: There were videos of how hardcore she is with the kettle bells. You people pushing this at CNN are weird. There’s something wrong with you. But anyway, the other part of the answer, the biology answer… You know, Fauci is back and it’s good for us in the sense that at least Voldemort has returned because he’s the absolute worst. But, Clay, the “I’m not a biologist, so I can’t give you an answer.”

This is something that we have to look at more because this was the same thing that was said about masks and about, “Oh, you’re not an epidemiologist. You’re not an epidemiologist!” Oh, so I can’t know that it’s moronic to have children who are the least at risk from covid masking in school all day and then have adults all around them all day long living their lives entirely normally in bars and restaurants and everywhere else? I can’t know that when they tell me I need to mask up more quickly when I’m eating — I guess it’s not peanuts because of the allergy, but whatever.

CLAY: Snack packs.

BUCK: The spreadable cheese. That’s good. I can eat the spreadable cheese, not the crackers. When they tell you to mask up more quickly, I’d say this is moronic. You’re not an epidemiologist. The appeal to expertise as a means of shutting down rationality, reason and debate is a favorite tactic of leftists, as you know, all the time.

CLAY: But here’s the thing, too, Buck. I’m “not a biologist,” and I know the difference between a cat and a dog.

BUCK: Right!

CLAY: Right? The basic analysis of male and female is not really that difficult. I also loved, by the way, this is the bigger issue. Her judgment — I’ve got to give credit to Sen. Josh Hawley asking questions that I thought were pretty significant going directly to her role as a judge. In particular, he grilled her about the child porn sentencing. She has been incredibly lenient on child pornography defendants who came before her. Listen to Josh Hawley as he breaks down some of these sentences that she gave. This is cut 4.

BUCK: I mean, what other answer is she going to give there? I saw, Clay, in one of the cases they’ve actually gone in… I think the guideline, the sentencing guideline was eight years as a statutory offense. Two or four was what the federal prosecutor asked for, and she gave them two months.

CLAY: And she also argued about as a part of that — maybe we can have a discussion on that too — is that a lot of the child pornography guidelines were based on photos when it wasn’t as easy to distribute on the internet. So we don’t need to be as egregious or as severe in our sentencing.

I’m like, “Wait a minute. The internet making child pornography easier to distribute, to me, leans in favor of punishing child pornographers even more, because they’re able to take videos and photos and share them more widely than ever before.” The other thing she did was one of these defendants was 18 years old and she said, “Well, he wasn’t that much different in age than the people involved.”

The kids were 8. So for everybody out there who is… The difference between an 18-year-old — who is a full-grown, functional adult — and an 8-year-old who is in third grade is pretty massive. The difference in age might be only 10 years, but we’re not talking about the difference in age between an 80- and 90-year-old or between a 40- and 50-year-old.

We’re talking about legitimate, young children and people who are functional adults, and so if you’re going to be leaning in favor of child pornographers in terms of leniency, that’s directly to your judgment as a sitting judge. And does that sound like somebody of great legal scholarship or someone of great moral clarity and authority that you want to have one of the nine seats on the highest court in the land?

I am increasingly of the opinion that while she is certainly able to be nominated, I don’t know why any Republican would vote in favor of her at all. Just so you can get a little bit of a nice thing written about you in the New York Times.

BUCK: Maybe we can invite Mitt Romney on when he votes for her. “Hey, Mitt, why don’t you explain what the feeling was?”

CLAY: I’d like for him to explain why he voted in favor of the mask mandate continuing. By the way, there’s some weird decisions being made by Utah Republicans. I’m not in favor… Did you see their governor?

BUCK: The transgender issue.

CLAY: What’s he doing?

BUCK: This is cowardice in the face of corporate pressure. These governors who will not sign to protect women sports in their states are bending the need to corporations and corporate money for their campaigns, and corporate money that will be waiting for them as consultants and board members and things like that afterwards.

In state after state, this is the reality where it happens. Look at Governor DeSantis, in Florida, who says, “We’re going to stand with women’s sports. We’re actually going to celebrate the best NCAA female swimmer in the country,” and look at other states, where all of a sudden, “We can’t do that. We can’t do that.

CLAY: Indiana, too, I believe it’s Indiana and Utah both Republican governors. They’re talking about the state legislature coming back and overriding the veto. That’s disgraceful.

BUCK: “I’ll sign an executive order as governor that will deal with this just as well.” Really? Why didn’t you sign the legislation? Please.

CLAY: Some of them are saying this is not a big deal yet. Were you going to change the legislation when it becomes a big deal, when the girls start losing all of their matches to biological men? No. You address this before it becomes the issue. It’s clear that it’s coming.

BUCK: Look, we want the right, we are conservatives here. We want conservatives to win, but anybody who’s GOP, who has an R next to their name, there’s got to be accountability sometimes, too, folks. That will be happening between now and Election Day as well.

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With Biden at 40%, Fauci Spews Gibberish Droplets

23 Mar 2022

CLAY: Our buddy, Dr. Fauci, emerged from his subterranean bunker where he’s been hidden. By the way, Reuters poll came out today, Buck: 40% approval for Joe Biden, newest low for Joe Biden out there. I know there was some discussion about whether the situation in Ukraine might bring more people to his camp.

Also, whether or not that distraction from what’s going on in the United States might be beneficial to him coming off of the State of the Union Address. The answer is: It is not. The numbers have continued to decline substantially, and Biden is still sitting right around 40%. Why do I bring that up in conjunction with Fauci?

Well, I believe — as I think you do too, Buck — that what they’re gambling on in the Biden White House right now is that covid might not be bad enough — that it’s still becoming a topic of major discussion — by November, and so they can claim some victory over covid, which helps distract from the failures with inflation, the failures with the border, the failures with Afghanistan, the murder rate continuing to skyrocket everywhere — and certainly the ongoing malaise, I would say, that exists across the country.

Well, Dr. Fauci, from the subterranean bunker, is back out now speaking left and right as we get ready for the new variant to arrive. I think it’s the BA.2 Omicron variant, if I’m correct what they’re calling this one, and Fauci was asked one of the biggest of lessons that he had so far gotten from two years of being (let’s be honest) wrong about basically everything. His answer? It’s going to disgust you, but we feel like we need to play it. What has Fauci learned. Listen.

BUCK: Okay. So he’s wrong, even when he’s talking about how there’s been an evolution of knowledge. There is now part of me, I know we’ve been saying where is Fauci for a while, but I almost wish he would go back into the tree house with the rest of the Keebler Elves and keep making cookies.

I’d really rather not have to deal with this guy ruining people’s day-to-day lives anymore, because he’s such a megalomaniac and refuses to admit that he’s wrong. Think about this for a minute. I know I’m not an epidemiologist. I’m also not a biologist.

CLAY: Virologist.

BUCK: Yeah, not a virologist. But let’s think about it for a second. He’s basically telling you, “Yeah, we’re wrong about a whole lot of stuff, but that thing we told you in the very beginning — that was really the first thing that didn’t stop a damn thing — that’s what I’ve learned the lesson is here. Masking is the thing that we need to turn back to.”

When you’re talking about aerosolized virus, that means fine, vapor mist, as in the air moving freely, you can’t even see it. Droplets you could theoretically feel — depends on the size of a droplet, but that’s like actual liquid that drops, hence, the term, because of its weight. Aerosolized means it’s freely floating in the air as a fine mist as in the air you breathe in.

Anyone who believes a loosely draped Kamala-Biden balaclava or kerchief around their mouth is helping themselves, when you’re talking about a fine mist, is living in delusion — the same delusion that you can’t identify what a man or woman is, anymore. This is the emperor has no clothes, we all know it, and yet Fauci is still singing the preferred tune.

I think they have to keep him, Clay, as a little bit of an insurance policy because what if cases go up as they probably will? They have to bring him back out. They’ve got to have him come out and say something. But Leana Wen? Less crazy these days. She’s always been smarter than Fauci. That’s been obvious.

CLAY: Here’s an easy, fun experiment if it’s still cold enough nearby you to do it. Put your mask on when you can see your breath and watch all the breath that escapes when you are breathing wearing a mask. Right? Just watch all of the aerosol. Like, your mask, put it on your face when it’s cold. And, by the way, that’s one of the few times where I don’t mind wearing a mask, when it’s actually cold outside.

That at least is a little bit like warmer. Not because it’s safer, but it’s, hey, the mask on the face makes you a little bit warmer. But put the mask on and watch all of the vapor that you can see because it’s cold outside — and your breath, when it comes out, watch it just totally escape everywhere as you’re breathing wearing your mask.

It is just like a fun little science experiment. How effective do you think this is? Which says nothing about pulling it down and eating or drinking or whatever else. And Buck, the data, I’m glad you bring it up because people do say, “Why should I listen to you? You’re not a virologist or an epidemiologist.” I can read data. Right?

I can look at what the facts show, and I can look at them. A couple of easy examples: I can look in LA at Orange County, which has done virtually nothing of late in terms of restrictions, and I can look at LA County. The overall rate of covid is nearly identical in LA County and Orange County. Where I live, I can look at Davidson County, which is Nashville.

And I live just south of town in Franklin-Brentwood, and there’s no difference in covid rate basically for years now even though there have been more restrictions in Nashville than where I live in Franklin-Brentwood for kids. The data! You don’t need to be an MD to look at data and analyze it rationally.

BUCK: You can get this information online. You can see the efficacy rates. They’ll give you — and I mean percentage, percentage rate of five-year survival if you get a certain kind of cancer treatment, depending on what you have. You’ll see percentage rate for how effective different birth-control methods are, right? That’s data.

CLAY: Yeah.

BUCK: They always say masks work. And then you’d say, “Okay, how well?”

CLAY: Show me the data.

BUCK: The answer is they ahve absolutely no idea because they’re terrified of doing a real study of doing real science because then it would show — if they had to run the experiment themselves, it would show — that they’re wrong. They’ve been wrong this whole time. And people should be angry at them. This is a part of it. This is why I do believe everyone should be…

There are so many places we can go, and I meant to say this when we had the Don Lemon sound bite a moment ago: When something really agitates the left — and Don Lemon is a man of the left. When something really agitates them, that’s something that you should talk about it more. The fact that CRT gets them so upset is a huge indicator that we’re right on target.

They know this is a weakness. They know that parental… Why have they gone so all in about lying about the parental rights bill in Florida? Because they know that parents came out in Virginia and delivered a stunning rebuke with the Younkin win to what had been a blue-trending — you’ve shared the data many times, a very blue-trending — state for the last 10 years.

CLAY: Yeah.

BUCK: So now we’re at a point where you have to say they don’t have the data but they don’t need the data. The same way that they’ll sit there and say, “I’m not a biologist,” as you point out. They’ll say, “I’m not a virologist, I just do what I’m told.” The appeal to authority once again. You have to be willing…

If you’re going to be a Democrat who doesn’t want to get dragged on Twitter, particularly if you’re a public person, you have to be willing to say things that you know are laughably stupid and look at people and say, “Yeah, I believe that.” So Fauci is in that category. “I believe Fauci still,” they say.

CLAY: Ketanji Brown Jackson is in that category: I don’t know what a woman is. You have to say things that you know are 100% lies, and the ultimate unbelievable aspect of this is they claim that they are the Party of Science. And they are the ones who are spreading direct falsehoods based on clearly biological-derived differences between men and women and also the fact that all the data reflects that masks don’t work at all. They’re still sticking to that statement as well.

BUCK: I also think as a basic premise, whenever you can recognize something is straightforward and someone insists on telling you it’s very complicated, they’re trying to pull something on you. Right? Whenever you’re like it’s, “No, no, no, you owe me money,” actually I’ve been watching a bit of the “Inventing Anna” show, for example. I’m just saying. Putting it out there. Have you seen it?

CLAY: I’ve only read the review. I know it’s about the person who claims to be a German heiress, right?

BUCK: Yes. It has its moments. But I’ve been watching it. One thing is whenever she’s cornered, she has a sort of delay tactic. And then it turns into, “A wire didn’t come in! I’m so VIP. I have no time. The banks messed it up.” And it’s all this gibberish, when it’s, “You owe me money. Pay me the money.” The same thing with Fauci and all these Democrats.

It’s your masks did not work, and they go, “Well, but you know the science and this thing and the Arizona,” and they start speaking all this gibberish. No. (laughs) You’re wrong. Stop it! They try to hide in the complexity when they don’t actually have the argument. You can tell we’re both very fired up. I’m in some sense even more fired up than Clay, ’cause they’re bringing masks back in New York. Almost guaranteed.

CLAY: Yeah, you’re going to have to live with it. It’s never coming back to Tennessee.

BUCK: Flee to Florida.

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Don Lemon Analyzes KBJ Hearing, Hilarity Ensues

23 Mar 2022

BUCK: There’s some good legal analysis out there right now about the KBJ hearings, and there are some not-so-good legal analysts on the scene, too, as you know. If you’re looking for the latter — if you really want some of the most either obsequious or absurd legal analysis —

CLAY: Obsequious! First of all, look at you.

BUCK: Dropping them early today.

CLAY: I know.

BUCK: I had a tweet about how “I might not be an ichthyologist, but I know what a fish is.” Most people are, like, “Oh, ichthyologist! Good word. One who studies bony fish not mammalian aquatic features.” See? Definition. If you want that stuff, go over to CNN and you get it. I have to say, this was particularly good. None other than Don Lemon weighing in on the hearings for Supreme Court seat.

Here he is.

LEMON: Asking, umm, the (snickering) potential jurist the definition of a woman and talking about critical race theory. It is the new… become the new buzz term, like ACORN did and Antifa and on and on. It’s amazing to watch someone who is, quite frankly, an intellectual giant be questioned by people who really have no idea about the law and what judges actually do.

BUCK: Ted Cruz, for example, Sen. Cruz was asking questions yesterday. Kind of went to Harvard school, too, and has argued a bunch of cases in front of the Supreme Court. So I think he knows something about the law, Mr. Lemon.

CLAY: Yeah, and also, look. The idea that somebody is such an “intellectual giant” that they can’t be questioned by someone else, I believe almost everybody on the Senate Judiciary Committee is a lawyer. I think that’s why they’re on the Senate Judiciary Committee. I know not every single person is necessarily a lawyer.

But a lot of those people have very substantial legal backgrounds, and are every bit as accomplished as Ketanji Brown Jackson, right? Like, this idea that there are nine attorneys who are capable — nine judges who are capable — of sitting on the Supreme Court, and that they are of a different intellectual level than everybody else who are lawyers in the country is just, frankly, not true.

Now, do we hope that the Supreme Court justices are legal heavyweights? Yes, that’s what you would want, because there’s only nine seats. Lifetime tenure on the Supreme Court. But it’s a ridiculous proposition from Don Lemon to act like anyone is above being questioned about getting lifetime tenure to sit on the Supreme Court, much more so even when I would feel very confident that many members of the Senate Judiciary Committee are certainly the legal equals of KBJ.

BUCK: To be fair, when you’re Don Lemon, a lot of people seem like intellectual giants.

CLAY: (laughing) That certainly is true. But is Don Lemon even smart enough to judge whether anyone is an intellectual giant or not? I’m not sure I even trust his ability to even tell me what a smart person is.

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Does Anyone Remember the Kavanaugh Hearings?

23 Mar 2022

CORY BOOKER: The reality is Joe Biden did what Ronald Reagan did, uhh, by saying, “Hey, look, we’ve been excluding large percentages of our population, in fact the majority of our population. It’s about time we reached deep into the well of quality and genius and talent and credentials, uh, for a black woman to show America that she’s like Jackie Robinson was (snickers), somebody that was probably overqualified, uh, to be in the National Baseball League, but came forward and showed us what the full talent and array of American potential is.

BUCK: Cory Booker on Ketanji Brown Jackson, Judge Jackson, that is like Jackie Robinson. He says Democrats are very excited about this nomination. I do think it’s interesting that there are some who are still complaining about the treatment of KBJ. Which I’ve got to say, I still remember, it was visceral. I remember the Kavanaugh hearings. It was I think the ugliest political thing that I can remember seeing televised.

I can’t think of a time when Democrats were — and I said afterward, Democrats were being more disgraceful in terms of the Senate. And people will probably yell, “What about this thing?” I know they do a lot of bad things. But they had a guy, Clay, that was as squeaky clean a background as you are going to get. Right? A guy, there’s no oppo on him. There’s nothing. He was eminently qualified, brilliant and advanced women professionally all throughout his career.

CLAY: He had decades that you could review.

BUCK: They were willing — when I say “they” I want to remind you, it was Cory Booker. It was Kamala Harris. Go down the list of different Democrats on the judiciary committee, they were willing to pretend in front of, I think like 15 million people actually watched that.

CLAY: It was riveting television.

BUCK: Became riveting television. They were willing to pretend that they were a serial gang rapist on the absurd word of not one but three either crazy or very politically motivated individuals or a combination thereof. The second woman, people always forget this… The third was Julie Swetnick. The first was Christine Blasey Ford. The second was, I forget her name off the top of my head right now. But she had to spend a week speaking to her therapist and a lawyer about whether or not he exposed himself!

CLAY: That was the Yale story.

BUCK: He’s a man, and the man part. So this was absurd. And what they didn’t tell people were how many individuals who came forward, Clay, with wild accusations of rape against Kavanaugh.

CLAY: Yes.

BUCK: They hid that from the public because it would have been too obvious he raped me on a boat in Rhode Island. He’s never been to Rhode Island. And they’re going to complain about this because they’re asking real questions about judicial philosophy? It just goes to show you, the Democrats… It’s shameless, utterly shameless against Kavanaugh and now in their, oh, why are you being so mean the our nominee.

CLAY: Buck, they were going line by line on high school yearbook superlatives and grilling him on them.

BUCK: They were asking what “bloofing” was, and he had to say flatulence in front of Senate judiciary Democrats because they’re lunatics.

CLAY: Whoever you are the idea that, a couple of things, one, your high school yearbook, that they’re going to go line by line grilling you on, it’s like, 25 years later from a high school yearbook. Two, that you would be being grilled about a high school party — which, by the way, it doesn’t sound like Ford and Kavanaugh, based on all the evidence… I would encourage you to read the great book by Mollie Hemingway. She dove into all the details.

BUCK: Justice on Trial.

CLAY: There it is. Justice on Trial is so good. If you were as fired up as Buck and I were about the Senate Judiciary Committee hearings. And honestly Democrats, I think, dealt with fallout so significant from those hearings that they’re just pretending they never happened. That’s the other way that you know that there is a major issue for Democrats.

They just pretend it doesn’t exist. Right? That’s the way they’re handling the Penn transgender swimmer issue. Most left-wingers just pretend it doesn’t exist, in the same way many of the Republicans on the Senate Judiciary Committee are bringing up the precedent that was set with the Kavanaugh hearings. And the Democrats, Dick Durbin, just keeps saying, “Well, that’s in the past. We don’t want to talk about that anymore.”

But it cost them likely a couple of Senate seats, and if things hadn’t fallen apart in Georgia, I really do wonder what the situation would be if Republicans had one more Senate seat right now. What would we be dealing with? Because we talked about, Buck, the mess that Georgia was losing both of those Senate seats in that election.

BUCK: In 2020.

CLAY: Yeah, 2020.

BUCK: It was a huge redo.

CLAY: Because Purdue won but didn’t have a high enough percentage. So they had to redo both of them and the runoffs, and so what would be happening, I think, is an easy and interesting question to ask. I don’t know that there’s an easy answer, if Republicans had control of the Senate right now.

BUCK: Who do you think…? What GOP votes does she get for confirmation? I think Romney. I think Sasse. Anyone else coming on? I’d have to look at the list.

CLAY: I don’t think Lindsey Graham is going to vote for her. And he voted for her before when she was going on to the debit card circuit. So I think he’s off the list. I think Romney will because I’m not sure Romney is a Republican anymore. I mean, he’s lost his mind, and I’m still fired up about the fact that he voted in favor of masks, and said he wants to rely on experts.

BUCK: I’ll never forgive that, by the way.

CLAY: How can he say that after two years of “experts” being wrong about everything relating to covid? It’s embarrassing.

BUCK: Appalling. Thank you for reminding me, by the way, why I think he’s among the worst in the GOP.

CLAY: So. I think it might just be Romney.

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C&B Provide Unemotional, Fact-Based Ukraine Analysis

23 Mar 2022

BUCK: The situation in Ukraine, you still have the fight underway for Ukrainian cities. Notably, Mariupol on the Sea of Azov in the southeast of Ukraine; Kiev, the capital in the center of the country, increasing encircled by Russian forces. And you’ll note that there’s still a lot of debate, a lot of discussion going on in this country about what the full extent of our involvement should be.

Although it has moved away from two weeks ago, it’s seemed that no-fly zone was gaining some momentum. And the conversation, people were saying we need to give F-18s, even some Republicans recently were out, some Republican governors said we should give F-18s to the Ukraine so they can prosecute a more effective air war against the Russian invader. A number of governors have been over to Poland.

Joe Biden is over in Europe right now, I believe, and he is going to be announcing new sanctions against Russia shortly, so increasing the economic pain on Russia. And in the meantime, you have discussions about what are the Russians going to do. On the one hand, Clay, there’s still a back and forth over whether the Russian offensive is stalled or if it is just proceeding as a bloody, massive military campaign would, which is slowly methodically and brutally.

Or is this a possibility, is this a moment where there could be a turning of the tide against the Russians? Here’s the former four-star general and former CIA director David Petraeus last night on CNN saying that there’s always this threat that we have to be aware of Russia using a nuclear weapon because of the stalemate.

REPORTER: Vladimir Putin’s spokesman, Dmitry Peskov, acknowledged today that Vladimir Putin hasn’t achieved his aims in Ukraine and also refused to rule out the use of nuke weapons, if Russia faces an existential threat. What is your assessment of those two very significant comments from someone so close to the Russian leader?

PETRAEUS: It’s an extraordinary admission from someone so close to President Putin, and it’s quite an extraordinary effort to rattle the nuclear saber. Once again, having heard Vladimir Putin do that himself a couple of weeks ago, it’s quite worrisome.

BUCK: “Quite worrisome” the former four-star general here, former General Petraeus says about this. Clay, I think right now what we’re seeing is reality setting in more among the political class of this country, that short of a massive escalation of U.S. forces in some capacity here — or massive escalation, I should say, of our involvement in some capacity, which would be something like a no-fly zone — this is a war that’s going to be determined by Ukrainians and Russians.

And you can’t on the one hand say, “Well, maybe a no-fly zone wouldn’t be that big a deal,” and on the side you have people… General Petraeus is a smart guy — he’s obviously had his challenges in the past, but he’s a very smart individual — saying there’s a threat of nuclear weapons in the background. I think American people by and large just don’t want us to be in another war. And even the Biden Administration seems aware of that.

CLAY: It feels to me, Buck, as if Ukraine and Russia is moving outside of the primary sphere of influence in the United States. And we talked about this early on. How long would Americans care about what could turn into a real slog of a battle? And I think that’s where we are now, right? Initially it was, “Oh, are we going to see a lightning strike taking over of Kiev? Are we going to see a massive, quick succession of cities fall to the Russians? Are we going to see Volodymyr Zelensky killed?”

There were a lot of different captivating storylines in the initial days of the Russian invasion. It feels like it’s all bogged down now. And that before long the way this story is going to play out is, it’s going to be a negotiated settlement that we see play out in the media, where both Ukraine and Russia are looking for the best possible deal that they can get because what Putin may well have hoped for, which was a rapid victory that was going to be welcomed by Ukraine, has clearly not occurred.

And what Zelensky might have hoped for, which was putting forth so many casualties on to the Russians that they eventually decide to basically stop their advance doesn’t seem to have occurred either. And so there only seems to be one result left, and it’s what are the terms of ending this war going to look like.

BUCK: And there’s still talk about dramatic escalation that could happen on the Russian side, which we should all be aware of. You’re hearing more right now about nuclear — which we just mentioned in the context of that threat in the background, and Gen. Petraeus’ comments — chemical and biological weapons have been talked about, and cyber is getting a lot of discussion. And that they’re bringing up as we could all be facing some form of cyberattack here in America.

So I think that’s one area we all want to be very cognizant of exactly what is being said, and how all of a sudden that could be used as a means of making it seem like this war has been brought home to us. Here’s Biden, I think this was just yesterday, saying that we could at any moment now, Clay — we, meaning America — could get hit with a massive cyberattack from Russia.

BIDEN: Today, my administration issued new warnings that based on evolving intelligence Russia may be planning a cyberattack against us. As I said, the magnitude of Russia’s cyber capacity is fairly consequential. And it’s coming. The federal government is doing its part to get ready. But under U.S. law, as you all remember, the private sector, all of you, largely decides the protections that we will or will not take.

BUCK: Big private sector attack cyberattack is coming, Biden, the president says. Mostly on the private sector, so good luck dealing with that. By the way, I want to dive into this in a second with you, Clay, he also, when he was boarding Marine One, just threw into the mix talking to reporters, “Yeah, maybe Russia will use chemical weapons.”

VOICE: They’re talking about the threat of chemical warfare, the use of chemical weapons. How high is that threat?

BIDEN: I think it’s a real threat.

BUCK: A real threat that they may use chemical weapons, get ready for a massive cyberattacks, they’re rallying around nukes. Notice, Clay, just in the span of two weeks it’s gone from, “Everyone put on your Ukraine flag pin, why aren’t we doing a no-fly zone, where are the F-18s that we’re going to give to the Ukrainians,” to, “Oh my gosh, they might actually cyberattack us on homeland and use chemical weapons in Ukraine.” It’s been quite a shift in tone from the regime.

CLAY: And Russia reopened their stock market in limited fashion today. I haven’t paid attention to what’s exactly happened there. But it appears that Russia has weathered the sanctions storm that the international community brought to bear on them and now is attempting to show strength. Because however this situation ends up resolving, you know that Putin has to be able to claim — and certainly he’s going to claim to his people — that it was a tremendous victory for Russia.

And so how exactly is he going to undertake that? I still think, Buck, the only way this story really changes in the way that we’re discussing it right now is if Zelensky gets killed by Russia, because that is what is going to provoke a truly emotional response, because he has become the head of the resistance. He is the personification of Ukrainian fighting spirit, and so f he gets taken out, I think the pressure for America to act more aggressively grows.

BUCK: Okay, wargame this out with me and everyone we’re talking to across the country, what do you think happens if Zelensky does get hit by a missile strike by the Russians, something along those lines? What does the international community do?

CLAY: I think there’s an immediate call for something, some kind of military response.

BUCK: You think we maybe go in if they kill Zelensky?

CLAY: I’m not saying that we’re going to do it, but I think some politicians are going to take that step because Zelensky’s death will be responded to emotionally, primarily on social media. You saw everybody with the Ukrainian flag. If Zelensky were to die, he would become a martyr for democracy. He would become the great hero.

All the blue checks that follow whatever the emotional tides are would change their profile pictures to Volodymyr Zelensky. They would demand that America stand up in some way and that his death would not be in vain. And I think it would accelerate demands for NATO and international support of Ukraine in a massive way.

BUCK: I think we’ve approached this, now that the war is… We’re in basically a month into this conflict.

CLAY: Yeah.

BUCK: I think we’ve approached this the right way which is to say don’t get caught up in the immediate narrative that is being fed to you from any quarter. Look as many sources, this is what we do every day, but look at as many different sources of information as possible to get the fullest picture.

Don’t be driven by emotion. Don’t accept simplistic narratives, because that’s what often happens in conflicts like this. People say, “Oh, there’s a good side, a bad side so we should do X.” It’s not as easy as you know who is good and who is bad and therefore you do the following. And then beyond that I would say, Clay, just the recognition this is going to be longer, harder, messier — and, honestly, more awful — than I think a lot of people were anticipating in the early days of this.

Here is National Security Advisor for Biden, Jake Sullivan — and notice, none of these people you hear speaking, Biden included, instill any confidence whatsoever when you’re just listening to them talk about this. It sounds like you’re listening to the HR department at Mutual of Omaha tell you where you’re going to get your dental benefits this year.

CLAY: (laughing) Yeah.

BUCK: They really do not. None of the people they have speaking about this. Jen Psaki, Joe Biden, Kamala Harris, Jake Sullivan. You’re like, “Really? This is who I’m dealing with?” But here he is admitting this war is not going to end easily or quickly.

SULLIVAN: There will be hard days ahead in Ukraine, hardest for the Ukrainian troops on the front line and the civilians under Russian bombardment. (pause) This war will not end easily or rapidly. For the past few months, the West has been united. The president is traveling to Europe to ensure we stay united, to cement our collective resolve, to send a powerful message.

BUCK: “To send a powerful message,” Clay. We’re sending messages, sure. We’re taking economic action. We’re giving weapons. But I think the reality has set in, and this is what we’ve been saying here on this show: The Russian war machine is grinding on; it is not stopping anytime soon, unless there’s a negotiated settlement with Ukraine.

And this whole thing is going to be a lot messier, nastier and last longer than I think the Biden regime anticipated. And a lot of the commentariat was saying in the early days, “Look at the Ukrainians fighting magnificently!” Yeah, brave, great, fantastic. We’re rooting for them. Not enough to stop the Russian war machine, unfortunately.

CLAY: When you hear Jake Sullivan talk, Buck, do you immediately think back to, “Why should I trust this guy? He told me that the Hunter Biden laptop was Russian disinformation?”

BUCK: I feel like he’s the guy that I have to stop from getting a wedgy in high school.

CLAY: (laughing)

BUCK: I have to push the bullies away and e like, “Stop it. Stop it.” You know?

CLAY: When you allow yourself to be overrun by partisan agenda-based political crap, which is what so many of these big-time, supposedly trustworthy international affairs, spies, everybody said, I can’t trust any of these guys ever again. Right? I mean, that is the essence of this. Like, when I hear him talk, I just think, “Why do I believe you now when you lied to me about the Hunter Biden story?”

BUCK: Absolutely true — and yes, your point is well taken. I think he also just comes across like a really… This is not the guy you want on your team in a debate or in a bar fight, like either one. There’s nothing imposing about him.

CLAY: That’s not a good combo.

BUCK: You don’t want him on either front, and everybody who was a part of the Hunter Biden — and honestly, I would say the Russia collusion lie as well — these are people whom you trust their national security analysis and assessment at your peril, because they’ve shown they’re unwilling to be true professionals looking at the interests of the American people in American security and they will subordinate that.

Everybody who put their name on that “Russian disinformation” memo about the Hunter Biden laptop, everybody who was a talking head saying that Trump is in Putin’s pocket and we’re going to find out any day now; the whole thing will come down with the Kremlin running the government. They should never be trusted again, and anyone who listens to them does so…

I gotta say, I would expect, if I had gotten something so wrong that my credibility among any audience would be damaged. But you see for the left, Clay, the credibility never mattered. It was propaganda, and everyone was in on it. So they knew what the game was, and the game was, “Tell the lie that’s most necessary and most effective in that moment and do the cleanup later.”

CLAY: That steak’s going to taste so good, Buck.

BUCK: Oh, now we’re on Hunter Biden’s prosecuting?

CLAY: I’m just talking about it, sitting here thinking about how good my steak is going to be.

BUCK: When they tell me about the specific additions —

CLAY: (laughing)

BUCK: I can get it Oscar-style, where they put the crabmeat on top. It’s an extra $30. We’re going to be ringing that register, Travis. I’m not going to hold back at all. I might get extra side of bearnaise sauce just because.

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Donald Trump Jr. Thinks Hunter Will Get Away With It

23 Mar 2022

CLAY: He’s Donald Trump Jr., and I appreciate you taking the time with us. I want to let you tee off right at the top. Hunter Biden’s laptop, the New York Times has announced, is real. If you had done everything that Hunter Biden did based on what was on his laptop, do you believe that you would be imprisoned or facing 800 different felony charges, Donald Trump Jr.?

TRUMP JR: Well, let’s say there’s 50 things on the laptop. If I did one of them, I’d be all of those things.

CLAY: Yeah.

TRUMP JR: Meaning, if I did any one of them —

CLAY: Yeah.

TRUMP JR: — whether it’s the crack on numerous occasions, whether it’s the prostitutes, whether it’s the, essentially, laundering money for the mayor of Moscow’s wife because it was tied to human trafficking and sex trafficking rings, whether our campaign just didn’t come out and say, “Hey, this stuff’s not real.” The Biden administration and their campaign just said nothing. Meaning, if it’s not real, you come out and say, “It’s not real; there’s no truth to any of these things.”

They didn’t have to because the media would do those things for them. The media ran a total cover scam. They knew it was real. They knew all of these things. It didn’t matter. They were able to further their narrative. They pretended it didn’t exist. And we know there’s a significant portion of America that now know these things that said had they known they never would have voted for it.

Because we’re on the brink of World War III possibly in the Ukraine and Russia and no one is asking the question, Clay or Buck, “Do you think maybe our thought process, as it relates to Ukraine, is influenced by the fact that they may have all sorts of extra stuff that we don’t even know about yet given that there doesn’t seem to be a country in the world that is an adversary to the United States that doesn’t have somewhere a Hunter Biden laptop in their possession?”

BUCK: Hi, Don. It’s is Buck. I get the feeling if a shady energy company in Ukraine some years ago had approached you and was like, “We want to give you somewhere in the neighborhood of 60 to $80,000 a month just because we like you so much,” you would have realized, when your dad was president at the time — it would have been Vice President Biden, but nonetheless — that wouldn’t look good. These are things you would never get away and would never do.

TRUMP JR: Yeah. I’d say, there’s plenty of things I said, “Hey, I can’t do that because the optics aren’t right,” even if they’re perfectly legal. Don’t forget, we had a flourishing real estate business across the world prior to entering politics. We didn’t have to stop doing those deals. You couldn’t do deals with foreign governments. But even private developers, we said, “Hey, we’re not going to do any new deals going forward.” We got no credit. It was as though we were making billions from foreign governments, if you listen to the media. We didn’t take a cent from it. (crosstalk)

BUCK: Can I just say, Don, I remember when they did a piece in The Washington Post about —

TRUMP JR. — millions from China —

BUCK: — how the cheeseburgers that diplomats were buying in the Trump hotel were a violation of the emoluments clause, do you remember that one?

TRUMP JR: Oh, I remember it clearly because we probably spent about a thousand X on that in legal and just trying to answer the questions that were put forward to us that we ever could have saved from the stupid cheeseburgers. Minor details. That didn’t matter. When Hunter, with no experience, took a billion from a Chinese investment authority, basically a sovereign wealth fund… They just gave a crack head a billion dollars. I can assure you something: The Chinese government doesn’t give a billion dollars to random strangers — especially those with no investment track record — unless they’re trying to buy something, which of course they were.

CLAY: All right. So here’s the question on the Hunter Biden situation. Buck and I have been debating it. I think that Hunter is going to get indicted and charged with at least one felony. Buck disagrees. We have a fabulous steak dinner bet on this over the next year. Which side of the bet would you like to be on? Would you rather be on my side that he’ll be indicted and charged with at least one felony, or would you rather be on Buck’s side that he’s going to skate?

TRUMP JR: I’m with Buck a hundred percent, because I’ve been in the room. I’ve seen the way it works. It’s nonsense, guys. He can get away with murder. They’ll cover it up. It makes no difference. And then you think given all the stuff going on right now you want to look? Now that we know the laptop is real, you’d think there would be people asking questions about what was seemingly underage children on the laptop!

Now, not even a question. Now, I understand it seems to be part of the Democrat Party platform today, especially as we’re watching these confirmation hearings, to take the side of pedophiles, and to be an apologist for child sex offenders. I get that’s the Democrat… At least the powers that be within the Democrat party platform, I understand that seems to be their position. I don’t know that that’s where all Democrat voters are, but, man, they seem to be going to great lengths to protect pedophiles. No questions about it. So there’s zero chance in my mind that anything will happen. I’ll get in on this bet. I’ll throw in a week of Mar-a-Lago for you guys if I’m wrong.

CLAY: Ah! Well, see Buck’s going to win there. You’re on Buck’s side. By the way, we came down to Mar-a-Lago and had a fabulous time with your dad. He was great with the us the first hour of the show last month. That was both of our first times to be there. It was incredible.

BUCK: Don, Clay and I talk as much as we can just about how you can’t be complacent right now. For people that just want a sane America that functions, that is not the mess that we’ve all… Look. Everyone who is listening now misses your dad. (laughing) They miss what it was like in 2019. They miss what it was like before the Biden regime took over, and I just want to know what you and what those you’re working with are doing to make sure that we get just the biggest mobilization possible for this midterm and send the biggest rebuke we can in advance of the next time we get to pick a president.

TRUMP JR: Yeah. No, a hundred percent. Well, I’m out there fighting every day. And as a former real estate developer from New York City, that’s probably not the greatest business model. But you’ve actually got to fight for the things you believe in. So we’re out there every day. Even as recently as yesterday I launched sort of an app to get news. We’ve seen how badly news is censored these days.

Stories could be out there, but you’ll never actually see that. People were reporting on the Hunter Biden laptop but mainstream media, social media, Big Tech made sure no one ever saw it. They have a monopoly on your phones from video to social media to news. It’s a total monopoly. So some friends of ours with the notion of, hey, build it yourselves said, okay, we’ll do that. We created an app called MxM News, like minute-by-minute news, where we’re actually curating the news.

It’s not just what Google, what Big Tech wants you to see. It’s a free app available for everyone else that will give you a chance to actually see the news that’s out there so you can get stories like the Hunter Biden laptop, so you can get stories like the Durham Report. Another big one, right? Where is Bob Woodward saying that this is bigger than Watergate? They were spying on the sitting President of the United States, and he’s total MIA. If Donald Trump tweeted “Merry Christmas” in the last five years, that was a story that was bigger than Watergate, according to Bob Woodward.

BUCK: I remember the ice cream scoops! The ice cream scoops were out of control.

TRUMP JR: Two scoops!

CLAY: By the way, your app is number one right now on magazines and news as we speak. So for people out there who are interested in MxM News, you can search that out.

TRUMP JR: Yes, MxM, 100 percent. We’re just trying to… If they’re saying we have to create these things ourselves I’d love to be able to say that, “Everyone gets to play fairly,” but we understand we’re constantly working at a deficit. We have to overcome a lot. When you think about it, Buck, and Clay, when elections are won by basis points these days and yet we’re working against a trillion dollars in mainstream media against us, a trillion-dollar corporate juggernaut of Big Tech, multi-trillion dollar, same thing in social media?

You have multiple trillion-dollar industries working against anyone who is even nominally conservative, and they’re still close. I think if we can get the real message out there, if we can get real stories out there — and if we can actually pressure some Republicans to grow a pair every once in a while and actually fight for things that we believe in — there’s no reason we shouldn’t be a dominant force in the future of politics. I’m watching sort of the hills to die on for the left, and I’m saying, “Man, I don’t think they’re in touch with the rest of America,” and they’re not. But it’s easy to manipulate that when you control all the information that’s getting out there, so we’ve got to take that back.

CLAY: We know that your dad is probably going to give people good news after the first of the year about running in 2024. I’m actually curious. Do you think Joe Biden will actually run? If you had to bet on whether Biden will run for reelection, do you think he’ll sit out? Do you think he’s got anything left? Is 82-year-old Joe Biden going to attempt it or do you think the Democrats will have an open primary?

TRUMP JR: I imagine they end up in a primary. He’s a 50-year creature of the Senate; these guys go for reelection. I thought he was incapable of running the last time. But he didn’t have to run. He could sit in the basement. They did the running for him. They covered up the nonsense. They made it seem like he was this great statesman. “The adults are back in the White House,” guys. How is that working out for you? It seems wonderful.

Inflation’s through the roof. They’re literally rationing gas where we are, down here even in Florida, already. Prices are through the roof with that. We’re on the brink of World War III. China’s flying sorties over Taiwan. That’s the next one to fall. You have the disaster in Afghanistan where our woke military, they are too busy worried about their freakin’ pronouns to actually maybe get American civilians out before the troops.

And then they leave $86 billion worth of equipment for the Taliban and biometric standards to make sure that they can root out all the people that may have been fighting against them for the last 20 years! These are brilliant people. It’s a scary thing. The only thing I’m shocked at is I did not think that they would be able to destroy America so quickly.

BUCK: Good point.

TRUMP JR: It’s Democrat policy. That’s a big distinction we have to make. Everyone is, Joe Biden this… No one believes Joe Biden is capable of making actual decisions. And even if he was, I don’t think that anyone looks at Joe Biden and says he really believes this sort of new-age Democrat mantra, whether it’s… All of it. No one thinks that. This is Democrat policy. It’s being enacted.

It took our country from a thriving economy to a disaster in less than a year, and it’s only going to get worse. We still have three more years to go of this presidency. So just remember that. You can’t use Joe Biden as a scapegoat. Don’t let the Democrats get away with it. This is what they want. These are their ideas. These are their policies. We need energy. So we’ll get it from Iran.

We’ll get it from Venezuela. We’ll allow Russia to broker the Iran peace talks where we’re going to give Russia billions. We’ll let Iran enrich uranium and be able to make nukes. They would rather negotiate with these people and give them billions than they would, say, the state of Texas, Oklahoma, Pennsylvania, oil producers. It’s insane!

BUCK: Donald Trump, Jr.

CLAY: Fantastic as always. (chuckles) I’m disappointed to hear that you’re going to be on the Buck side of the steak bet there. We will talk to you again soon. Hopefully you can buy me a steak next time you see me.

TRUMP JR: I’ll look forward to it, man. Be well.

BUCK: (chuckling)

CLAY: Thanks, Don.

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