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The Karol Markowicz Show: Inside the Mind of a Comedy Writer: Jim Treacher on Humor, Culture, and the Future of AI Friday - Dec 12, 2025 • 21:11

Daily Review with Clay and Buck - Dec 12 2025 Friday - Dec 12, 2025 • 51:41

Hour 1 - Get Out of Jail Free Card Friday - Dec 12, 2025 • 36:50

Hour 2 - The War on Drugs Friday - Dec 12, 2025 • 36:48

Hour 3 - Nerding Out with Ryan Girdusky Friday - Dec 12, 2025 • 36:53

Wellness Unmasked Weekly Rundown: Fixing America’s Healthcare: Dr. Nicole Saphier on ACA Failures, Subsidy Battles & Real Reform Friday - Dec 12, 2025 • 6:23

Best Of Buck Brief - Here's How a China-Taiwan Invasion Ignites Global Chaos Friday - Dec 12, 2025 • 18:6

C&B 24/7: Clay & Buck’s Show Prep

25 Mar 2022

BIDEN, TODAY: Food shortages are “going to be real.”

BIDEN, 2020: “We don't have a food shortage problem — we have a leadership problem.” pic.twitter.com/s8uB41FzO9

— RNC Research (@RNCResearch) March 24, 2022

The Publius National Post: American Express Diversity Policies are Un-American. A New Meaning for The Black Card – Kenny Xu

New York Post: Two-thirds of Americans say Hunter Biden laptop ‘important’ story: poll

Daily Wire: Bestselling Author Peter Schweizer Breaks Down FBI Probe Into Hunter Biden, Potential Links To President

Federalist: 4 Big Takeaways From The New York Times’s Attempt To Control The Hunter Biden Narrative

BizPacReview: Trump sues Hillary Clinton, DNC, dozens of others over ‘false narrative’ that he colluded with Russia

Gateway Pundit: Republican Darrell Issa Sends Notice to White House, Big Tech and Intel Community to Keep All Records Related to Hunter’s Laptop from Hell

New York Post: Biden says he’d be ‘very fortunate’ to face Trump in 2024 — and Euro allies think he’s ‘up to the job’

NewsBusters: ‘We’re F***ed!’ Jon Stewart BLASTS Media’s ‘Bulls**t’ With Mueller Probe

PJ Media: Justin Trudeau Gets Wrecked After Daring to Lecture the EU Parliament About Democracy

🚨European Parliament member calls Justin Trudeau a DICTATOR, DISGRACE and HUMAN RIGHTS VIOLATOR to his FACE — the insane reaction of the room says it all. WOW 👏🏼 pic.twitter.com/dwN7TgGBZ9

— Benny (@bennyjohnson) March 25, 2022

UK Daily Mail: How pedophile, 18, at center of Ketanji Brown Jackson Senate hearing continued looking for ‘sexually arousing images of children’ after she jailed him for three months – after he wrote a letter asking for a second chance

Daily Wire: Matt Walsh Talks New Doc, Reveals ‘Shocking’ Answers He Received To Simple Question, ‘What Is A Woman?’

Breitbart: Senators on Ketanji Brown Jackson’s School Indoctrination: What Did She Know and When Did She Know It?

Washington Free Beacon: Jackson To Recuse From Harvard Asian Bias Lawsuit

Washington Free Beacon: Read the Emails Advertising FBI Event To Honor Ketanji Brown Jackson’s Nomination

ZeroHedge: GOP Support For Jackson Evaporates After Confirmation Hearings Go Sideways

Jackson said she gave a lenient sentence to a child predator because "he presented all of his diplomas and certificates."

That predator continued to reoffend for 5 years after his 3 month sentence before being recommitted to a facility.pic.twitter.com/qdzwPcWIy0

— RNC Research (@RNCResearch) March 24, 2022

New York Post: Cory Booker’s tears, the WaPo’s lame excuses and more

BizPacReview: I will not be told ‘shut up and cope’: Bloomberg takes on dealing with inflation runs into buzz saw

Bloomberg: Biden Says to Expect ‘Real’ Food Shortages Due to Ukraine War

Gateway Pundit: Hunter Biden’s Wife Vacations at Ipanema Beach in Brazil with Six Secret Service Agents in Tow – In Town for Orphaned Starfish Benefit

RedState: Another ‘High-Tech Lynching’ Against Clarence Thomas Even as He Lies Ill

Today Biden again said that sanctions would not “deter” Putin from invading Ukraine.

His administration said the EXACT OPPOSITE for weeks.

ROLL THE TAPE! pic.twitter.com/C4ffAnEz3d

— RNC Research (@RNCResearch) March 24, 2022

New York Post: Not even a real war can stop America from obsessing over ridiculous cultural conflicts

PJ Media: Beware of Those Indiscriminately Cheering for Volodymyr Zelenskyy

UK Daily Mail: Zelensky takes a swipe at Ireland for ‘ALMOST standing with Ukraine’ while praising nations who have backed Kyiv – but says Europe was ‘too slow’ in imposing sanctions that could have stopped Putin

Washington Examiner: Ivanka Trump and partners supply 1 million meals to Ukrainian refugees

New York Post: Snake Island sailors who told Russian ship ‘go f–k yourself’ freed in prisoner swap

Breitbart: Nothing to See Here! Kremlin Declares Everything Going ‘According to Plan’ in Ukraine

NewsBusters: ABC Ignores Biden Backtracking on Effectiveness of Russian Sanctions

ZeroHedge: Russia Facing “Total War” From West, Lavrov Says, Stressing ‘We Still Have Many Friends’

BizPacReview: Elon Musk’s satellites play critical role in Ukraine’s defense, ability to destroy Putin’s sitting duck tanks

RedState: A 60% Dud Rate for Precision-Guided Munitions Explains a Lot of Russia’s Problems in Ukraine

North Korea’s propaganda videos look like a bad 1980’s “A Team” episode. Enjoy: pic.twitter.com/jDAeUHGpaQ

— Clay Travis (@ClayTravis) March 25, 2022

New York Post: Workers say crime-ridden NYC not worth the hassle anymore

Legal Insurrection: California Gov. Newsom Proposes $400 Debit Cards for Car Owners

CNSNews: Manhattan and San Francisco Lead Nation in Population Decline

Washington Post: Biden faces influx of migrants at the border amid calls to lift limits that aided expulsions

HotAir: DHS orders a major release of illegal migrants into the U.S.

CNN: Biden’s record border crisis is “record breaking” and a “staggering.”

“This is a huge number” pic.twitter.com/OG6Id7CS65

— RNC Research (@RNCResearch) March 25, 2022

New York Post: Mayor Adams says performers are exempt from vax mandates ?— does that include politicians, who are clowns?

Federalist: Why Aren’t The FDA And CDC Informing The Public About Documented Adverse Events After mRNA Injections?

Daily Wire: Airline CEOs Urge Biden To ‘Sunset’ Mask Mandate, Senate Also Votes To End It

PJ Media: The Morning Briefing: Fauci’s Folly Has a Disturbing Non-COVID Body Count

They shut down parks and gyms.

They kept open liquor and weed stores.

Turns out that had a really terrible impact on public health. And our “public health experts” were all for it. https://t.co/Nm5MSBrB8Z

— Buck Sexton (@BuckSexton) March 25, 2022

HotAir: Watchdog sues State Department for refusing to release docs on John Kerry until after 2024 election

New York Post: Resistance is rising to woke colleges’ race and sex discrimination

NewsBusters: Disney’s Sex-Ed-for-Kindergarteners Crusade

PJ Media: Leftist Chickens Come Home to Roost for Amazon

Daily Wire: Feminist Group Condemns NCAA For Ignoring Pleas Of Female Swimmers, Shielding Trans Swimmer ‘Who Didn’t Do Particularly Well In Men’s Swimming Competitions’

UK Daily Mail: AOC says Biden is in danger of losing support among progressives and young Democrats if he doesn’t fulfill his campaign promise of cancelling student debt as falling poll numbers bring president to an all-time low

CNBC: EU targets U.S. tech giants with a new rulebook aimed at curbing their dominance

The Sun: Oscars in crisis as Covid runs riot with key nominees out with the virus

It will always be funny to me when Biden says how Trump's "very fine people on both sides" line from Charlottesville was his inspiration to run for president.

The man literally began his presidential campaign on a lie. pic.twitter.com/hJlu8EDFCG

— Greg Price (@greg_price11) March 24, 2022

We Have the Photo of Mr. and Mrs. Travis in Law School

24 Mar 2022

BUCK: We had Bridge Colby on. If you missed it, by the way, Bridge is a super-smart guy. I actually knew him… I knew him back in D.C. when I was working for the CIA. We used to hang out sometimes. So I’ve known Bridge for… Gosh, Clay, it’s crazy to do this math now. Almost 20 years.

CLAY: Yeah. He was great.

BUCK: You know what I mean? You start to do in your head. I have friends now… I went to a friend’s wedding this past fall, and we did the math, and I’ve known him for 34 years at this point, since we were six years old.

CLAY: Yeah. I did the math on this, Buck, because when you start law school, they take your picture in front of the law school.

BUCK: Oh, I want the Clay law school picture, and I want it up on ClayAndBuck.com.

CLAY: Yeah, yeah.

BUCK: I want to see the mullet, Travis.

CLAY: The whole class gets their picture on the law school front steps, and we had our anniversary of that photo being taken, and that was kind of a… It’s been a full generation since we started law school, but everybody… I couldn’t stop thinking, if you subtract the 20 years, I was two years old. Right? So as much time has passed, as 2 to 22, now 22 to 42, and I couldn’t stop thinking in my head. Because when you’re 22, you feel like you’re so grown up and so old, and yet, 22 to 42 seems like it passed in the snap of a finger, compared to 2 to 22, which seemed like it lasted forever.

BUCK: So, can we reach out to Mrs. Travis to go into the family archives here for the photo?

CLAY: Mrs. Travis is also in the photo, right? Because that’s where we met, first-year law school class.

BUCK: So, she clearly has access. So, we have to put it up at ClayAndBuck.com. We gotta find this.

CLAY: These are not as embarrassing as my high school photos. By the time I was 22… You’ve seen my high school photos, right?

BUCK: No. We gottta put some of this stuff up.

CLAY: Oh. Oh. Oh.

BUCK: I have a college graduation photo and I feel like I hadn’t gotten a haircut in 6 months, and things were pretty wild up top. But, yeah. We should do some Clay and Buck photos up at the site, at ClayAndBuck.com. And, anyway, I was talking about Bridge just because if you missed that interview… By the way, puka shell necklace in the law school photo?

CLAY: (pause) I may have had a shell necklace in the photo.

BUCK: (laughing)

CLAY: I definitely had a shell necklace phase.

BUCK: (laughing)

CLAY: I’m not sure if the shell necklace phase was still ongoing.

BUCK: Hey, man, put on a shell necklace, listen to some Dave Matthews, go play a little hacky sack in the quad!

CLAY: People out there who remember, ’95 to about 2003, there were a lot of shell necklaces. A lot of khaki.

BUCK: Yeah.

CLAY: A lot of khaki and shell necklaces.

BUCK: Cargo shorts. Hacky sack. I remember it all, man. Soundgarden. I’m rocking out right now in my head.

Texas Tornado Red Truck Driver Found

24 Mar 2022

CLAY: I wanted to finish with a positive story. We got a huge crowd down in Texas. We appreciate all of you listening in the great state of Texas. A tornado… Viral moment, Buck. A tornado came through and caught a red pickup truck. If you haven’t seen this video, it’s pretty incredible. It’s Austin, Texas, area, this kid’s driving a red Chevy pickup truck. The tornado picks up the truck, spins it around, flips it! The kid is spinning around inside in the car.

Watch this red truck in the middle of a Texas tornado. pic.twitter.com/2FkqbDejoQ

— Clay Travis (@ClayTravis) March 22, 2022

And then the tornado flips it back on its wheels, and the kid just keeps driving. So if you haven’t seen this video, it’s unbelievable. I say the kid, because until now, we didn’t know who was driving the red pickup truck in the middle of this viral story. Well, they have tracked him down. Fox 7 News in Austin, Texas.

It is a 16-year-old high school junior named Riley Leon. He was coming back — in an ultimate Texas story — from an interview to get a job at Whataburger, and you need to hear this kid. If this isn’t the front piece of the Chevy marketing campaign going forward — “Like a Rock,” indeed — Listen to this.

You’ve probably seen video of the red truck tossed in a tornado in Elgin, near Austin, then driving away. Would you believe it was a 16-year-old behind the wheel? Riley Leon says he was headed home from a job interview at Whataburger when he was swept up in the storm. pic.twitter.com/bbNL2Wfpw8

— Shannon Murray (@ShannonMFox4) March 24, 2022

BUCK: First of all (laughs), I’m just glad the kid is okay. He’s very self-effacing, seems like a really good guy. (laughing) I love though, “I wouldn’t recommend it to anybody.”

CLAY: Yeah.

BUCK: I’m sure you would not!

CLAY: I wouldn’t recommend a tornado picking up your truck, spinning you around on your hood. Here’s the other thing, Buck. If that video isn’t out, what are the odds that his buddy ever believes him, right? Because if you were in high school and your buddy came in and was like, “Hey, man, that tornado was pretty crazy,” and one of them said, “Yeah. You know, I got caught in that, and my truck got picked up, flipped over, spun around on its hood; then I got flipped back on the other side and I just kept driving home.” No one would believe it.

BUCK: No one would believe him.

CLAY: They’d say, “Sure, whatever.”

BUCK: The actual video of it. Do we have it up at ClayAndBuck.com? Because we will if we don’t. (interruption) It is up? Okay. Great. We will shortly. You can go to ClayAndBuck.com for the video. Because what I will tell you, it looks like what they had to use CGI to create in the movie Twister.

CLAY: That’s right.

BUCK: You look at it and you’re like (R.I.P.) Bill Paxton? Where is the cast of Twister?

CLAY: Yeah.

BUCK: That’s how… It’s as real as it gets, man. It’s crazy. But was he kind of driving a little…? It looks to me like he wasn’t going that fast. Maybe he was wondering which direction to go in, because he wasn’t flooring it, right?

CLAY: No. I think he was… Again, according to the kid, he was doing an interview at Whataburger. Which, by the way, I mean, if Whataburger doesn’t hire this kid, they should fire whoever the manager of that Whataburger is for just being an imbecile, right? He should get Whataburger for life after that, frankly!

BUCK: Yeah. That’s dedication.

CLAY: I think what happened was — and if you’ve ever been out in weather, especially if you’re a young kid, but anybody out in weather. And I live in Nashville, so we have tornadoes every now and then. Trying to figure out what direction the tornado is coming from can be super difficult, especially because it’s such a weird environment when I think the barometric pressure is dropping like that.

I have stood and watched massive tornado funnel clouds before. And it is, I think, one of the most jaw-dropping scary moments that is out there, and so I think the kid just found himself in the middle of it. Didn’t know where to go. Wasn’t driving very fast. Next thing you know, he’s upside down, spinning around!

BUCK: Just conceptually… I know this is one of these things: Conceptually, do you think a tornado, hurricane, tidal wave, or earthquake sounds like the scariest? Because, to me, I feel like a tornado. It sounds like it’s the most terrifying.

CLAY: I have been in three of the four. I haven’t ever been in a tidal wave. I have been in fairly decent sized earthquakes, at the top of buildings in California, when they’ve been going down. In San Diego and in LA. When the big one hit LA or one of the big ones the last couple years, I was in the top floor of a hotel. That was scary. Tornado was the scariest. I’ve been in a hurricane. I’m not… (laughs)

BUCK: Yeah.

CLAY: I don’t work for the Weather Channel. But I’ve in three of those four. Tornado was scary.

BUCK: And there was, of course, when you got struck by lightning when you met Mrs. Travis, Clay, for the first time.

CLAY: (laughing) Wow. I need to pull that. Hopefully she’s listening. It’s not even our anniversary.

BUCK: Use that one later.

CLAY: Yeah.

BUCK: Put that one in the bank.

Biden Brings Up Trump, Jan 6. at NATO Presser

24 Mar 2022

BUCK: Biden just gave a press conference. There were some things he said that are not surprising at all, but he was asked a question by a German journalist. At this point in time, can we not have…? You know, Biden can say, I’m here to talk about NATO. I’m not here to take any cheap shots at Trump or Republicans. But no. Grandpa Biden had some other thoughts.

German reporter asks Biden about Trump coming back — Biden’s brain SNAPS in a panic as he rambles on about nazis

pic.twitter.com/ur7y8ULvIq

— Benny (@bennyjohnson) March 24, 2022

BUCK: Little cheap shot against Trump at the end there. Bringing up the insurrection. Joe Biden, not a competent guy, and not a nice guy, Clay.

CLAY: Also, yeah, taking a shot, but that’s another indication, because we’re talking a lot about whether Trump is going to run. That’s a big debate. That’s a big topic of discussion. Nobody is really talking after the midterms, early in 2023, Joe Biden is going to have a determination about whether or not he’s going to run — and, remember, he will be 82 years old. I find it crazy to believe that he’s going to run.

But that statement that he made there while taking a shot at Trump is suggestive that he wants another rematch against Donald Trump and that he’s planning on running, at the age of 82. And remember, Buck, he’s going to have to have made this decision by this time next year. He can’t…? I don’t think he can hold off, everybody in the Democratic Party who otherwise would be champing at the bit, because they want to go ahead and announce their candidacy.

BUCK: I still think that their move will be — and this is going to be an ongoing conversation. We will be talking about this in a year and for many months in between. I think the plan will be to have Biden run again, and then have him step down, because he’ll be in his early ’80s and it will be obvious to everybody that this is elder abuse on an unthinkable, political scale.

CLAY: It’s such a fascinating question, Buck. I don’t think that he can physically campaign, right? They got lucky with covid being able to put him in a basement and not have to put him on a plane and travel him around the country. How is he going to be able to run a presidential election? The amount of… You know this. You travel. We’re relatively young and when you’re hopping on a plane and flying from one side of the country to the other and you’re performing and there’s all these other events, it weighs on younger people. How in the world is 82-year-old Joe Biden going to be crisscrossing the country, making an argument for his reelection? I just… I don’t know that he’s physically capable of being able to do that.

BUCK: I also think it’s interesting that he’s sitting in front of our European allies and he’s supposed to be taking about NATO. He did talk about a lot of NATO stuff obviously. You know, if he were the serious statesman that he was pretending to be his entire adult life, he would say, “Now is not the time to get into, ‘Oh, the insurrection!'” Right. Mostly middle-aged folks who were trespassing and taking selfies. There were some people who got violent, and they had been held in solitary confinement.

CLAY: Two years, now.

BUCK: They had been treated worse than some Al-Qaeda detainees.

CLAY: Yeah.

BUCK: And some of the people that have been treated that way weren’t even violent, but that’s another conversation which we will continue to have here, by the way. But, you know, this is just going to show you, Clay, they’re going to have to force people to talk about the insurrection. They’re going to have to bring these things back to the old well of, “Trump is Putin’s puppet,” which will be a much tougher sell now than it was before.

But what else have they got, man? I mean, this is what we keep coming back to. What are they going to point to? All the polling shows Americans saying, “I’m worse off. All these decisions seem arbitrary, and many of them seem counterproductive from the Biden regime. It’s time for a change.” Change, in this case, not good for the Democrats.

CLAY: I also would point out something significant there which is, there was a long precedent of not attacking domestic political adversaries, while you’re overseas. Because it makes you look small. If you’re trying to look like the leader of the freest country in the world, then going after an adversary who is in domestic politics like Biden did during that discussion doesn’t in any way embolden allies to believe that you are strong. I mean, Biden is a weak man. Physically. I think mentally. I think intellectually. Politically. All of those things are true, and having him overseas just magnifies that weakness. Even the way he walks, Buck! The way he walks.

Joe Brandon stumbles and waddles his way into NATO looking completely lost as he pretends to IGNORE reporters’ questions

pic.twitter.com/BC2KRLPUv7

— Benny (@bennyjohnson) March 24, 2022

BUCK: He looks like a feeble old man, Clay!

CLAY: Yes.

BUCK: Let’s be honest. He looks to the world — and he’s the president, folks. This stuff matters. It looks like we have a feeble old man running the country, and that’s not good, especially in the middle of a war. People will point out there was a time when it was different. We didn’t have TV cameras. These optics didn’t make a difference. Even when Biden is up there giving a speech, you’re looking at this, like, at what point is he going to say, “Where is the apple sauce? I want to feed the ducks with some breadcrumbs?”

CLAY: And his eyes, man. It just looks like there’s nobody home. You know how you can tell when you’re talking to somebody whether their eyes are physically focused, like just whether there’s a vitality behind the eyes. It doesn’t look like there’s anything there. It’s probably an analogy that hasn’t been made very often. I got to meet Britney Spears.

BUCK: Really!

CLAY: Yeah, out in Vegas.

BUCK: I was a huge fan —

CLAY: Join the club.

BUCK: — back in 1996, 1997, I guess. I was a huge Britney Spears fan.

CLAY: Monster Britney Spears fan. I went and got to meet her. She was doing her show out in Vegas. Looking at the eyes, it was so clear that she was insanely drugged up, right?

BUCK: Really?

CLAY: Just like, there was no ability to… The eyes were just out, man, and I look at Biden, and when I see his eyes, it just looks like he’s not there, right? You can tell if somebody is not there. It was… Well, I was disappointed. It was nice to be able to meet Britney Spears. I would have liked to have met her in ’98 or ’99 or 2001 or whatever it was. But, yeah. Concert was pretty good, at least, by the way.

BUCK: Yeah. Hey. You know, Britney is great.

CLAY: I was one of the few straight men in that concert that night without a woman. I was with another straight man. There’s not a lot of us.

Alcohol Killed More People Under 65 Than Covid in 2020

24 Mar 2022

CLAY: I wanted to make sure we got it on the show. We talked about alcohol deaths surging. Did you know that in 2020, if you were under the age of 65, you were more able to die from alcohol than you were from covid? Let me repeat that.

In 2020, if you were under the age of 65, you were more likely to die from alcohol-related issues than you were from covid.

Anybody ever hear that? I bet you didn’t.

Ice T “Robbed” at NJ Gas Station

24 Mar 2022

CLAY: This is a great viral tweet. Did you see this, Buck? Ice T, the rapper, tweeted as follows.

I was robbed at a gas station in NJ last night. After my hands stopped trembling..I managed to call the cops and they were quick to respond and calmed me down….. My money is gone.. the police asked me if I knew who did it..I said yes.. it was pump number 9…

— ICE T (@FINALLEVEL) March 24, 2022

CLAY: That’s pretty good from Ice T.

BUCK: He’s excellent on Law & Order, I got to say. He gets it done on Law & Order.

Councilman Joe Borelli Blasts NYC’s Unfair Vax Mandate

24 Mar 2022

BUCK: Our friend Joe Borelli, city councilman from the great Staten Island, is with us now. Mr. Borelli, always a pleasure.

BORELLI: Great, guys. Thanks for having me. I appreciate it.

BUCK: So, first, will you tell us…? The mayor is announcing today this new rule. What has been the problem for Kyrie Irving of the Brooklyn Nets playing up to this point? What has the policy been? How is it going to change?

BORELLI: Right. So the reason we’re here, even discussing this is because New York City is one of the few places on earth that still has private-sector vaccine mandates for all employees, not just city workers or health care workers or something that arguably makes sense on some level. The City of New York played vaccine mandates on all private employers, including the Brooklyn Nets, including the New York Nicks, the Mets, and the Yankees, and everything.

That put people like Irving, at a competitive disadvantage, because he couldn’t actually play in the Barclay Center against other teams whereas they could have unvaccinated players, who could play without any sort of problem whatsoever. Obviously, this made no sense. I’m glad the mayor withdrew this mandate because it was silly from the get-go. But as you correctly pointed out, the right answer is to eliminate the mandate overall, or to have never put it on in the first place.

CLAY: Yeah. Joe, I appreciate you coming on. This is Clay, and obviously I come from a sports background, so the absurdity of this… By the way, Kyrie Irving could watch Duke and Virginia Tech play at the Barclay Center. He could go watch the Knicks and the Nets play. He could sit in the front row as a fan. Have a beer. Not wear a mask, hang out. But he wasn’t able to play in the games. It made no sense; it needed to be rectified.

But as you rightly point out, there are a lot of firemen, there are a lot of police officers out there, many of whom are listening to us right now in the New York City area who are saying, “Wait a minute. Why should the Mets, the Yankees, and star basketball players the bet a different vaccine mandate requirement than the rest of the public?” Is this difference in treatment, in your opinion, Joe, going to continue to fester and grow, as many people say, “Why should the rich and famous have a different standard applied to them than the regular working guy and girl out there?”

BORELLI: Clay, I have spoken to progressive colleagues of mine who have been covid crazy from the get-go and this is actually the straw that broke the camel’s back where they can’t understand why we have two classes of people. Like you pointed out, we fired 1,400 people — our teachers, our firefighters, our EFTs, the guy who cuts the grass in the parks, for goodness sake — and we’re allowing this system to exist, where fancy people don’t have to do it. What about the ushers in the same arena?

CLAY: Great point.

BORELLI: What about the ticket punchers? What about the hot dog vendors? What about all the regular people that rely on their job in the Barclay Center who aren’t fortunate enough to be NBA players? I mean, this is really, really, a system of discrimination between people based on their income and their elitism and their status. It’s unfair. The mayor should just cut it and eliminate it for all people, and rehire our employees immediately, and maybe even give them their back pay.

BUCK: We’re speaking to our friend Joe Borelli from Staten Island in NYC. And, Joe, you as somebody who works in and knows New York politics like the back of your hand, you get to see, you know, the inside of the politburo, shall we say? You’re familiar with the feelings, the sentiments of some very far-left legislators, officials, et cetera, in New York and in the Tristate Area. I’m just wondering, did any of them…?

‘Cause you’re saying that they finally… This broke the camel’s back, so to speak. That there are clearly, if you’re Kyrie Irving and you’re really important because the Nets may or may not get into the playoffs, Clay. I’m seeing he’s got to win some games. If you are really important, you make a lot of money. You have a different set of rules. Fine.

But Kyrie Irving was willing to sit in the stand recently at the Barclay Center, for I believe it was a Nets/Knicks game, but he wasn’t able to play, and other teams players who were unvaccinated were allowed to be on that floor playing. Do any of the libs in the city council or state legislature or anywhere that you know think that was normal or made any sense? I mean, that had to be crazy too, right?

BORELLI: No. I think if you’re looking for logic in the vaccine policy as it was administered to professional athletes, you will never find it. You will never find it from conservatives, from liberals, or anyone even knowledgeable on public health policy. There was never a rationale to do this that actually protected people. But look, it goes even deeper than that, why progressives are starting to come back around on this.

It goes deeper, because upper middle-class people/rich people who weren’t even in finance, in insurance on Wall Street, things like that. Those people, if their companies were happy with them, if they were earning money for their stocks desk, their trading desk, the companies weren’t firing them. They were letting them work from home. It’s only the poor people. It’s the guy selling hot dogs in Manhattan. It’s the guy in Taco Bell in Midtown. It’s the person who is a doorman. It’s a person who is a maid at a hotel.

Those are the people that could not just work from home, even if their company was happy for them, and those are the people that are leading us, New York City, to have an unemployment rate that is double the national average. Covid hit everyone. The recovery has not hit everyone. And it’s only, not coincidentally in places like this, where we have an extreme private sector vaccine mandate, where we still see the lack of a return of private sector employment.

BUCK: Joe, do you buy in that the reason why the mayor changed this….? Because he kept saying, “I’m not going to change the rule for Kyrie. I’m not going to change the rule for Kyrie.” We don’t know exactly which Yankees and Mets players were involved, but there’s a lot of rumors that many of them were superstars. Is it because the mayor had received a lot of political contributions, allegedly, from some of the ownership group from the Yankees and the Mets?

And given the fact that baseball is playing outdoors, he wasn’t willing to suffer the slings and arrows of the response on this? Break down why suddenly after arguing for several weeks since he took over, “I’m not going to change the rule for Kyrie. I’m not going to change the rule for Kyrie,” it’s awful amazing that he suddenly changed the rule just in time for major baseball season starting.

BORELLI: I think it’s no longer passing the sniff test than corruption or anything like that. Because in truth, if you think who supports New York City mayoral candidate, it’s actually the municipal labor unions more than anyone else who was bankrolling people like Eric Adams, and those are people that face firing and some of the members did get fired. So I think it was his public perception of looking silly. It’s more about having the continuous reason for the Yankees losing and the Mets losing, because Eric Adams wouldn’t let so-and-so (crosstalk).

CLAY: That would have been an unbelievable story, by the way, if we had seen all those players not able to play in New York and the outrage that would have ensued.

BUCK: It sounds like they would have practically had to call some fans in and be like, “Hey, who is going to be at third base?”

CLAY: I don’t know how… I honestly don’t know how it would have worked, roster-wise, depending on how many guys weren’t eligible to play. Joe, are you a Yankees or a Mets fan, which one?

BORELLI: I thought you were going to ask me to play third base.

CLAY: (laughing)

BORELLI: I’m a Yankees fan. But, look, I’m more of a Ranger fan than anything else, and some of the leagues were able to adapt, as you pointed out. But I think when you’re talking about a depth chart that would have included some major, major big money players.

CLAY: Yep.

BORELLI: Nobody wants to bear the embarrassment of being the reason why the Mets have — or the Yankees can’t make it to state this year.

BUCK: By the way, Joe… We’re speaking to Joe Borelli of the New York City council. So is there already discussion about getting rid of the…? You know, it’s hard to keep up. I live here, and I’ve been subjected to it. Clay gets to live in freedom and happiness in Tennessee.

CLAY: Freedom zone! Yes.

BUCK: I have to deal with the madness in New York, as you do. Are they going to get rid of the lingering private sector vaccine mandate rules? Where does that stand?

BORELLI: Well, as soon as I get off the phone with you, I’ll leave my office in City Hall, go across the rotunda to the council chamber, and give a speech and ask for support from council members who have told me privately — and I’ll call them out if they don’t speak publicly, that have told me privately — This is enough. It’s over. The pandemic is over and it’s past us. (garbled cell)

By the way, New York shouldn’t be celebrating any of its mandates, because when you look at the data from this city and this state compared to other places, we actually were not a leader on covid. We did worse than most places who had minimal — and in some cases extremely minimal — mandates in place. So we shouldn’t really be celebrating our success. We should be celebrating the fact that we’re over it, and we’ll see how it goes. We’ll see what they say.

BUCK: Joe, I want to ask you about the 1,400 people you said who lost their jobs for refusing to get this covid shot. You said you would like to see them rehired and maybe get their backpay. I agree with you a hundred percent. What sort of recourse did those employees have, the men and women who aren’t making a lot of money? They’re not Kyrie Irving. They’re not Yankees and Mets superstars. But they were willing to stand for the courage of their contradictions, and not get this covid shot. What sort of recourse do they have now?

BORELLI: Unfortunately, the rules get more complicated when you’re talking about the employer — in this case the city and de facto of the mayor — making rules for their own employee. There’s a lot more leeway for employers to do that for their own people. But when it becomes a mandate and becomes arbitrary and capricious, which now there’s no rationale to say it wasn’t both of those things, they do have recourse.

We lost some lawsuits fighting for these workers for a number of reasons. In some cases, because the union themselves conceded as a negotiating point. In other cases, because simply the mayor had the power to do that. Now, with this Kyrie Irving, I’m not sure if they fully thought out the legal ramifications that would come if these people aren’t reinstated.

BUCK: Joe, before we let you go, Clay made me fill out my first bracket this year. He shamed me into bracketology.

CLAY: (laughing) Can you believe, by the way, Joe that he’s never filled out an NCAA tournament bracket in his life?

BORELLI: You wouldn’t have done well in Staten Island, Buck.

CLAY: (laughing)

BORELLI: There’s a big underground bracket mob going on right now in the fifth borough.

BUCK: Well, so far, I got to say, my beloved Villanova Cougars are looking great.

CLAY: No! No! No! You like Cougars, but they’re the Wildcats.

BUCK: Wha…? Cougars, hey.

CLAY: Wrong cats.

BUCK: Those are nice too.

CLAY: Wildcats. I think that was a Freudian slip by the way.

BUCK: I love The Wildcats.

CLAY: (laughing)

BUCK: Villanova Wildcats. Joe, who do you have to win the whole thing?

BORELLI: By the way, I’m so caught up in the St. Peter’s fervor —

CLAY: I know. It’s impressive.

BORELLI: — because they have been this small college right next to Staten Island. You know, a lot of my friends had gone there over the years. So I can’t see much beyond them and I’m pulling for them a hundred percent, so people listening are probably supporting them as well. So all I’m going to say is, “Go St. Peter’s!”

BUCK: Our man Joe Borelli. Go check him out. Follow him on Twitter. He does great stuff. He’s one of the few sane voices in politics here in New York City out in Staten Island, which has some great Italian restaurants by the way. Joe actually took me to one; we had a good time. Oh, no, actually, I took him because I lost a bet. I lost a bet.

CLAY: This is true.

BUCK: Yeah. That’s right. That happened. Joe, thanks so much, man.

BORELLI: Thanks, guys.

Come on Libs, You’ve Gotta Be Kidding!

24 Mar 2022

BUCK: We mentioned this with Marsha Blackburn a moment ago, and this is one of the times where you say, “Come on, libs. You’ve got to be kidding me.” But they’re not, they’re serious about it. And it’s from, as Clay pointed out, the Washington Post editorial beard — meaning, a whole bunch of their best people, right? Their smartest columnists. Their smartest writers. It is stunningly stupid what they’re saying here, but we’ve got to push back on it.

“Republicans Boast They Have Not Pulled a Kavanaugh. In Fact, They’ve Treated Jackson Worse.” This is in the Washington Post. Clay, they are asking a judge questions about her jurisprudence. They were asking her to define what a woman is. They were asking questions. They put crazy people on national TV to lie about Brett Kavanaugh being a secret serial gang rapist!

Remember, people always focus on Christine Blasey Ford. She seemed — and they did a lot of work with her. She said she couldn’t fly. Then they found she would fly to go to Cabo, but not to go to D.C. She said she needed two doors installed in her house because she was still so afraid of this. Then they found out, no, it was some renovation. The whole thing. She was lying, but there was some veneer in the early stage for people with credibility.

Then the second accuser came out, and he said, “Well, hold on. She can’t even remember if this happened or not? She had to have someone else tell her if she remembers the thing?” Then the third accuser who came out, who was actually just crazy. I mean, like, actually clearly had issues, serious mental health issues, claimed she was a college student who returned to see high school kids drugging and raping, systematically, high school girls, and she never told anybody.

She never even brought this up, and then she started laughing during the interview. Clay, what they did to Brett Kavanaugh. The Democrat Party has that. That is a moral stain on the Democratic Party for all time. To even compare it to what is going on with Ketanji Brown Jackson just shows you these people have no reference for a reality, whatsoever.

CLAY: Not only that, there is a pretty clear distinction between aggressively questioning someone about their professional record as they prepare for one of the most significant jobs that can exist inside of our federal government. Lifetime tenure on the Supreme Court for someone who I believe is 51 years old, meaning, if that person maintains normal health for someone who is 50, it’s not crazy to think that Ketanji Brown Jackson coon on the Supreme Court until 2052 or 2053, right?

Going into her 80s, would not be unheard of, based on tenures and legacies of many other justices, and so if you look at that, you should be aggressively questioned. Going through somebody’s high school yearbook superlatives, and grilling them on what they meant, looking at things that happened, regardless of who you are. When you’re 16 or 17 years old, when you have decades of experience, as a federal judge to question? These are not similar situations.

BUCK: But it’s worse. You brought up looking at the yearbook, Clay. They were looking at the yearbook to make the case that 16- or 17-year-old Brett Kavanaugh was like a drunk party boy, date rapist, basically. This was all part of the narrative of, “Yeah. He was drinking beers. He was obviously a misogynist who sexually assaults women.” The fact that they even say that Christine Blasey Ford’s testimony was credible. She didn’t know —

CLAY: She didn’t know what year it was, Buck. She didn’t where the house was. She misidentified the people who were in the party. There’s no evidence that Kavanaugh even met this woman!
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BUCK: It was the opposite of credible.

CLAY: Yes.

BUCK: In fact, this is almost like they were doing a test case on what non-credible testimony in a circumstance like this would sound like — and the media just throws that word around all the time. Every person who was part of the effort to destroy Kavanaugh with the rape allegations should be — and I mean this apart from politics — every journalist, that went along with that, should be deeply ashamed of themselves.

Deeply ashamed of who they are as human beings. It was the most grotesque, obvious lie and destruction of a person’s character. And it cost them the Senate, thankfully. And I want everybody to remember that this is who we’re dealing with with these Democrats, because, Clay, they thought that that was actually going to give them a Supreme Court seat that will be more to their liking. They’ve never even taken a step back and said, “Maybe we went too far. Maybe we shouldn’t have done that to him.” Kavanaugh could have been the coach. He could have been your neighbor. Could have been anybody. They didn’t care.

CLAY: Well, I don’t think we should overlook what they argued, at that point as well, which was #BelieveAllWomen. That’s an unbelievable…

BUCK: Who am believing, by the way, because what’s a woman, Clay?

CLAY: That’s a great point. It’s a great point. But #believeallwomen flies into the face of everything that the justice department and justice itself is supposed to represent. There’s a reason, Buck, why Lady Justice is blind as on the scales of justice, as you weigh guilt or innocence. It’s because as soon as you start to consider the race, the sex, the sexual orientation, whatever these things are — these identity politics characteristics — then you are moving away from considering the facts as they were, in that situation.

What I always came back to was, even if, Buck — and this is me having done criminal defense work. Even if you accepted everything that Christine Blasey Ford said as being true, it still wouldn’t have been a sexual assault charge. Even on a minor, right? Even if you presume that everything she said about that party was true, and we know that there were no corroborating evidence outside of her own recollection.

She didn’t know where it was. The people that said she was there, weren’t there. There’s no evidence — other than her claim — that she ever met Brett Kavanaugh, that they knew each other at all. But even if you presume — which is one of the things sometimes you’re supposed to do in court: presume the truth of the filing in order to allow a jury to hear the evidence — prosecutors would have never brought a case against a 16 or 17-year-old boy for sexual assault there.

Because it’s is not sexual assault, even if you presume everything that she said was true. And even if you presume everything is true there, Buck, the idea that everyone should be held hostage by what happens is crazy for their future life. It just doesn’t make any sense at all at that age, and so to compare it is, frankly, a disgrace.

BREAK TRANSCRIPT

CLAY: The continued attempt to make it appear as if Judge Ketanji Brown Jackson, during the course of her hearing, has been treated unfairly is pretty crazy. Because she’s been quizzed directly on her professional career, and that’s not good enough. MSNBC’s Joy Reid. We talked about the Washington Post saying that KBJ had been treated worse than Brett Kavanaugh. Well, of course, taking it to an entirely different level, one of the dumbest people in the history of politics on television, Joy Reid. She said, this is like a black person being followed around and accused of shoplifting.
Listen to this analogy.

VIDEO – Joy Reid: Judge Jackson Is Being Treated Like a Black Shopper Being Followed in a Store https://t.co/8B0dUyWtBx

— Grabien (@GrabienMedia) March 24, 2022

BUCK: Only morons believe that Judge Kavanaugh actually did anything based on the actual evidence, and unfortunately Joy Reid is an utter moron.

CLAY: Yes.

BUCK: But beyond that, here is an example of the kinds of questions that were being asked. She said she can’t define what a woman is. Ketanji Brown Jackson says this. Openly.

CLAY: She’s not a biologist. Not a biologist.

BUCK: Not a biologist, right? And yet, she’s going to be sitting on the Supreme Court, and there are questions of gender and gender identity, as they are reflected in law. I mean, on the one hand, Clay, they want trans to be a protected status. They want trans participation in different genders when it comes to sports.

So there’s all this — you know, man, woman, men’s sports, women’s sports. All these distinctions are being constantly made. But the left like crying children want it the way they want it, without any actual, underlying principle. Ted Cruz asked (summarized), “Well, can I claim to be a woman, or can I claim to be an Asian man, or how does this work?”

BUCK: A lawyer, Clay: Her answers are evasive and unimpressive.

CLAY: Yeah. I get it. I get the response that she’s giving there, but what Ted Cruz is brilliant pointing out is — and I have to be careful not to curse here — almost everything that is being constructed around the race and gender elements of the modern-day Democratic Party are total BS. Right? Because this is what we talked about.

What he’s pointing out is if you can choose your gender, why can you not also choose your race for purposes of proving or disproving whether you are eligible for standing, right? And let’s give an example. You kind of hit on this with senator Blackburn earlier. We have for better or worse, certain construction contracts which are held back for minorities and for women, right? So if you’re a white guy, you are not eligible to be able to, in theory, to get federal or state construction contracts that are specifically earmarked for women and minority-owned construction companies.

BUCK: Well, there are a bunch of different things that actually go on there, by the way. One is that let’s say I have a construction company. Suddenly, I put a construction company in my wife’s name, and my wife gets it instead. Like, you can play games with this. But what’s to keep a…? If gender and race are fluid and you can choose them, what’s to keep someone from identifying as a woman for purposes of getting a federal or state construction contract?

What’s to keep someone from identifying as a member of a racial minority group in order to get a racial minority contract, right? Like, these are real questions that go to the essence of the law, because about it you have to respect the choice of someone to choose their gender — if you just have to respect that and treat it as a legitimate thing — then you are, theoretically, potentially subverting the idea of minority and women-owned businesses being treated…

Now, we can argue about whether that’s fair or proper under the Constitution in general. But the fact that it exists now, is a legitimate question. And the fact that we have a difference of treatment for gender — which you can choose — and race — which you can’t choose — because it’s considered sexist is patently absurd.

BUCK: This reminds me of a friend of mine, many, many years ago, who was born in Cairo, which is, of course, in Egypt, which is, of course, in Africa. Applied to an Ivy League school as an African-American.

CLAY: And got in?

BUCK: Well, got the interview phase, and was clearly going to get in, and it turned into, “Well, no,” and her contention was, “I’m now an American who was born in Africa, so I identify as an African-American,” and essentially what the school told her at the time, and this is now… Gosh, I was like 18 when this happened. What the school told her was, “No, you’re the wrong skin color.” That was the claim. “You’re the wrong… Your skin color is not appropriate for your designation.”

So these are not just random theoreticals. Ketanji Brown Jackson is acting like, “Well, this never occurs.” No, this stuff occurs all the time, actually. There are all kinds of distinctions that are being made — as a function of admissions, hiring, as functions of law — about these designations. About gender. About gender identity. About race. About disability. All these different things.

And, you know, at some point, we either live in reality and have to have clear, established principles, guidelines, determinations about this. Or it’s just what they have right now, which is whatever the left wants, and that’s how they want it: Whatever they want. They just make the rules up as they go along.

Sen. Blackburn on That Moment with Judge Jackson

24 Mar 2022

CLAY: We are joined now by Senator Marsha Blackburn. As I just tweeted, “I think she’s a woman, but I’m not a biologist.”

We’ve got @MarshaBlackburn joining us on @clayandbuck now. I think she’s a woman, but I’m not a biologist. Tune in now: https://t.co/g8lYKy5Uor

— Clay Travis (@ClayTravis) March 24, 2022

We just played that clip from the Senate hearing with Ketanji Brown Jackson — and, Senator Blackburn, I appreciate you joining us. I want to start with that question, because I think it has gone viral to a degree. And I have not seen a question in a Senate judiciary hearing go viral in a long time. I want to know, how did that question come to be? Were you nervous about asking it? Because it does feel like one of those questions that has a high-risk, high-reward to it. Did you expect to get the answer that you got? How did it come to be? Kind of take me through that process, as you prepared for this hearing.

SEN. BLACKBURN: Yeah. You know, one of the things that I had discovered was that she had come out very vocally in support of “progressive education” and, as she termed it, “the transformational power of progressive education,” and since I’m concerned about parental rights, I’ve heard a lot about that from Tennesseans, I was focused on that, and the curriculum that was taught at the school where she is on the board.

So we had researched that a little bit, found out they offered this class called Woke Kindergarten which teaches 5-year-olds how to choose their gender. And, of course, you have all of this going on where there is attention on allowing children to choose a gender at a very young age. You also have the restrictions on parents of how they want to rear and educate their children, whether it’s before it a conservative worldview or a liberal worldview, and school boards are beginning to take that authority.

So I had asked her about that, didn’t get a satisfactory answer. So I went to the U.S. vs. Virginia decision that Justice Ginsburg has written where she made the determination that male and female have enduring qualities, and those differences are enduring. Those distinctions are enduring. I couldn’t get her to answer if she did or did not agree with Justice Ginsburg. So I looked at her, and I said, “Well, define for me ‘woman,'” and she said, “I can’t.” I said, “You mean it is so hotly contested and controversial, you cannot define ‘woman’?”

She said, “I’m not a biologist.” So, I proceeded on to what was my third point in this, which was talking about the NCAA swimming competition and Lia Thomas and the way a biological male was competing with biological females, and how that disadvantages our young women. How it says to them, “Your voices don’t matter.” How it says to them, “You are second class citizens,” and it was the right point to make.

But, Clay, I got to tell you, I was stunned. I thought she would agree with Ginsburg. And then, we could move on and say, “Well, there are ‘defined and enduring differences between male and female,'” but she didn’t go there. This shows you how the woke left has so infiltrated this system over at the White House for federal judges on the district and appellate courts, and now we’re seeing it at the Supreme Court level.

BUCK: Senator Blackburn, it’s Buck. The ability to distinguish as a matter of law between male and female, would be something that if you can’t do it, would cause problems in a legal system. Clay and I talked about Title IX. Obviously, the NCAA athletes competing.

SEN. BLACKBURN: Right.

BUCK: So it does seem fascinating. It’s not only a window into the ideology of the left and Judge Ketanji Brown Jackson, and what is expected for people to be in good stead with the left these days, to essentially pretend ignorance. But beyond that, there are legal implications of this. I think people… The left is trying to say, “Oh, Senator Blackburn asked you a gotcha question!” It’s the most straightforward question imaginable, and there are also all legal implications for the distinguishing of men and women, when it comes to Title IX, federal contracts, the Violence Against Women Act, something that Joe Biden pushed for many, many years. It feels like there is more to it than even just their lack of willingness to define it.

SEN. BLACKBURN: Exactly right, and Title IX, dealing with the NCAA. You know, look at the mess that the leadership at the NCAA has made of men and women’s sports. Now, a federal judge is going to have to be able to accept the definition of male and female if they are going to rule in Title IX cases or Title VII cases or if they’re going to make a determination on the implementation of the Violence Against Women Act.

So, yes, indeed, it is an incredibly relevant point to make, and whether you’re talking about Critical Race Theory, parent’s rights, education in the schools, what of our Department of Education is focused on, what is happening with Title IX/with women’s sports, all of that depends on accepting the definition of “This is female and this is male.”

CLAY: Senator Blackburn, you weren’t in the 2018 Brett Kavanaugh hearing, but it did go a long way, I think, towards guaranteeing that you were there for 2022. I don’t know if you’ve seen this editorial yet but I just wanted to share it with you. I know you followed the Brett Kavanaugh hearings very closely. The Washington Post put out an editorial, and Buck and I will talk about this later on in the show. This is the editorial board, Senator Blackburn. This is not one person.

They said, “Republicans have boasted they have not pulled a Kavanaugh. In fact, they have treated Jackson worse.” That is from the Washington Post. There was another piece that said that Judge Jackson had been treated worse than Jackie Robinson had been treated. That was from USA Today. I read both of those, and it made my head almost want to explode. What’s your reaction to the it recently that Judge Jackson got, and the way that people are responding to that compared to what you saw with Kavanaugh?

SEN. BLACKBURN: What we know is that the leftist press is in bed with the Democrat Party and the White House in order to protect this nominee. Judge Jackson was treated with respect by each side of the dais. We were called out when we asked a tough question, whether it was about her sentencing practices, whether it was about her work as a private attorney or a federal defender. We ask those questions to get answers.

Because I have had a lot of Tennesseans contact me, and say, “I want to know this, that, or their other something,” and we are seeking to get those answers, because this is a lifetime appointment. It is the only time the American people have an opportunity to get to know this nominee, to see if they want their elected representatives to support the confirmation of this nominee. This is their one shot. So asking these questions are important. I asked her about her judicial philosophy and her court packing.

Because when she was up for the appellate court, I had asked her about her judicial philosophy and court packing and she never gave me a response. So I revisited those issues with her. What we have is a nominee that they don’t want you to ask any questions because she is from the progressive wing of the Democrat Party, and she is firmly embedded in that wing of the party, and because of that, they don’t want you to bring up these issues that if she answered you, it would be an answer that is outside of the mainstream of American thought.

CLAY: Senator Blackburn, do you think…? This is the last question for you and we appreciate your time.

SEN. BLACKBURN: Sure.

CLAY: Do you think any Republicans are going to vote for Judge Jackson’s nomination to the Supreme Court?

SEN. BLACKBURN: I think it would be very difficult for people to vote for this nomination.

BUCK: Senator Marsha Blackburn of Tennessee, thanks so much for being with us. Appreciate it.

SEN. BLACKBURN: Thank you.

BUCK: And thanks for… (chuckles) Thanks for the viral question too. We appreciate it.

CLAY: That was fantastic.

BUCK: Yeah.

Teammate Says Lia Thomas Displays Male Genitalia in Locker Room

24 Mar 2022

CLAY: Buck, this Lia Thomas case, I was reading the Daily Wire, and it had an interview with one of the female swimmers who was at the University of Kentucky. She said Lia Thomas came into the women’s locker room and still has male genitalia. So, you tell me: What person out there who has ever competed in athletics thinks that it’s appropriate for women who are in a locker room getting dressed to compete as swimmers, naked, and a dude walks in, with male genitals, because he “identifies as a woman” and changes in the locker room beside them? I mean, this is madness!

BUCK: This is also the point I think like to make about how it’s always about “courtesy and kindness.” Courtesy and kindness should always be a guiding principle for everything we do, but it can’t be a one-sided thing. It’s only, “Oh, only certain people deserve courtesy and kindness, so do whatever they want. Bend to their policies. Bend your knees.” Can you imagine, Clay, if you’re the father of one of the girls in the locker room, and there’s Lia Thomas changing? If a guy walked in —

CLAY: That’s a crime! In almost every jurisdiction, if a guy walks in, and he’s identifying as a man, and he starts to get naked in a women’s locker room, he gets arrested. That’s a crime everywhere.

BUCK: And just to be clear now, whether it’s college age or high school or junior high, they do this. They have these policies in some schools. “You’re a bigot,” they say, “if you oppose this.” Look, we say all the time, we’re not exaggerating, folks. The left has lost its mind, and this is just one of the manifestations of lunacy.

CLAY: Yes.

BUCK: The people that think triple masking alone in a park by themselves are being scientific, also think that Lia Thomas should be the NCAA swim champion. There’s a direct correlation here.

CLAY: Think about that. It’s a crime, unless you tell people, “Oh, I’m identifying as a woman now”? How does that make sense that a naked man can be in a locker room with women because he identifies as a woman? This doesn’t make sense for anybody.

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