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Day 730 to Slow the Spread: Romney Votes for Masks

16 Mar 2022

CLAY: Buck, does it surprise you that Mitt Romney was the only Republican to vote in favor, in some ways, of maintaining the mask mandate?

BUCK: No, because ever since I saw him marching with BLM and — we should pull that audio. He’s like, (impression) “Well, I’m here because, you know, I want to make it clear that black lives matter.”

I was like, this guy is such — I guess maybe he was so beaten down by, let’s be honest, getting his butt kicked by Obama in 2012 that he’s just desperate for the approval of elites now. You know, he wants the New York Times to think well of him. That was pathetic.

But this was even more annoying because his justification, Clay —

CLAY: Yeah, yeah, yeah.

BUCK: His justification is that the “experts” should make these decisions. No. I want to flip over tables and scream profanity when he says this. The Senate should be making the determination about this based on if they want the advice of people like the CDC. The CDC is not some super legislature.

CLAY: No doubt. And also they’re not held accountable by voters, which is why we’re saying November has to be an onslaught. By the way, it is also the two-year anniversary of “15 days to slow the spread.” If you remember that press conference, it has now been I believe 730 days since “15 days to slow the spread.”

We’re still fighting a lot of those battles.

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BUCK: There was a vote, Clay, a vote here where eight Senate Democrats came along with the Republicans and or voted, I should say, to get rid of masks on planes, and the only Republican who voted against this was Mitt Romney, who loves to walk around — this is a guy who is just in love with himself.

I mean, this is somebody whether it’s marching with BLM because if there’s somebody who cares about the violence against minorities in America, particularly, you know, in cities that have high crime rates, Mitt Romney, he really knows what he’s talking about. That was ridiculous.

But this actual this actually makes me angry because his rationale for you — what’s the rationale that he officially said, that have to let the experts decide, right?

CLAY: Yeah, his rationale is — and I’ll read directly the quote. Mitt Romney just gave this quote. Why was he the only Republican to vote against overturning travel mask mandates? He said — and I’m reading — this is from Manu Raju, who covers the Capitol: “I just think it’s a mistake for police stations and Congress to substitute our judgment on health matters for the people at the CDC. So even when I agree with something, I just think we should leave those things to people who are health professionals as opposed to Congress. I know the CDC has lost a lot of credibility, but they’ve still got a lot more credibility than Congress.”

So this is infuriating. And, first of all, we should point out like you did, there are eight different guys who decided to in the Senate who are Democrats in favor of this. The vote was 57 to 40 in favor of approving to overturn the travel mask mandate.

Not surprisingly, Buck, a bunch of Democrats who were up for reelection suddenly are seeing the light on the stupidity of mask mandates. Bennett’s up for reelection in Colorado. He voted “yes.” Cortez Masto up for reelection in Nevada, “yes.” Hassan up for reelection in New Hampshire, “yes.” Kelly up for reelection in Arizona, “yes.” Then you got Manchin, Rosen, Sinema, and Tester.

So Romney voted “no” and said he wants to defer to the experts. I can understand voting “no” in March of 2020 when we were all still in the early grips of covid and you thought the experts might have knowledge that you didn’t. But my goodness. We can’t hold these experts accountable because they are not elected officials.

And so when they make poor decisions, when Fauci makes a poor decision, it’s almost impossible to get rid of him. We can hold our politicians accountable which is why they can’t just defer to experts particularly because experts have gotten so much wrong.

BUCK: Even Fauci, the vile, bureaucrat tyrant that he is who no doubt is lost somewhere in the couch cushions of an MSNBC green room. That’s why we haven’t seen him.

CLAY: They won’t even have him on now.

BUCK: Yeah, it’s probably true. He’s actually probably waiting outside, “Why won’t you bring me on?”

CLAY: Two years since “15 days to slow the spread” and Fauci can’t even get any airtime, Buck.

BUCK: It’s worth noting that Fauci was saying all along he would say things like when they would make these pronouncements he would have all these video conferences with the CDC, you know, “my colleagues and I,” it was always the collective. But really if you talk to anybody with any familiarity with the CDC, it was basically Fauci determining, Walensky seconding, and then, you know, everyone else in the room nodding their heads.

But they would never even — Fauci would never come out and say, “This was my call. I made this call. You are masking up your 4-year-old like an abusive moron by order of the state because of me, Anthony Fauci.” No. It was always “the science.” Remember, he represented the science.

CLAY: “I am the science” he said at one point. And so this is why — look. I understand people of Utah. I would be furious right now with Mitt Romney over this vote. And the fact that every other Republican and even eight Senators who are Democrats are willing to support it to me is a pretty strong evidence of how much support we’re gaining on a day-to-day basis for Team Reality.

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Poll Proves the DeSantis Parental Rights Bill Is Popular

16 Mar 2022

CLAY: Let’s start, Buck, down in the state of Florida. Ron DeSantis, it was labeled the “don’t say gay” bill. This morning I’m reading as I get ready for the show, Buck, and Politico came out with a poll that 51% of American voters support banning the teaching of sexual orientation and gender identity from kindergarten through third grade. Thirty-five percent are opposed to this, all right?

This is pretty massive. When you are in a 50-50 country and you find an issue that you’re winning by 16 points, it doesn’t surprise me ’cause we talked about this, Buck. I’m a parent, talk to a lot of parents. I don’t know very many parents who believe kindergartener, first, second, third graders should be being taught substantially about sexual identity, really sex at all. Were you surprised by this Politico finding? And what does it continue to tell us about how out of touch many journalists are who cover politics?

BUCK: Well, it’s fascinating, Clay, because it seemed like in the early days of this the activists, the LGBTQ activists who were pushing for this to be essentially slandered as the “don’t say gay” bill — they came up with this phrase, call it something — it’s not a wealth tax, it’s a death tax, right, plastic politics, Orwellian, changing of words, newspeak, trying to figure out ways to move the needle one way or another based on the very specific words that you use.

So it seemed like this was under substantial pressure because all the press was asking DeSantis — and what happened, I think, Clay, I think the activists would have been more successful with this one at the Florida state level if it didn’t turn into a club for the lib media to start swinging at DeSantis with, by the way.

Because what happened? DeSantis unlike a lot of other Republicans, “Oh, I’m not anti-gay, don’t hate me, right, which this has nothing to do with being anti-gay.”

Ron DeSantis goes, where is that in the bill, right? Remember that audio, we played if for everybody, where is that, show me where that is, why are you renaming a bill as a so-called journalist something that is not so that you can attack the bill with something that is a lie and then, when everyone goes, oh, wait, hold on a second, they’re attacking DeSantis on this, now it’s a national news story.

Clay, let’s be honest, who would even hoard of the parental rights in education bill outside of Florida across the — very few people. Maybe Floridians it mattered to but to the rest of the country it was all right, this is a Florida State bill. And now it’s become a national cause, and now you have people saying, hold on a second. What do you mean these leftist activists are upset that there’s not gender identity instruction happening for first graders?

CLAY: Crazy.

BUCK: A first grader may say, you know, one day I want to be an astronaut and the next day I want to be a stegosaurus, and, you know, you gotta just, like, let kids be kids here. We’re gonna start teaching them about cisgender and gender queer, which is another phrase that I had to learn recently, didn’t even know what this means, and all these other terms and terminology.

Now, you might say, oh, Buck, they won’t really do that. They just had a school in San Antonio on the critical race theory front where they were saying — they were separating kids by hair color and the lightest kids by hair color were to be many of you treated and told they were dumber and worse than the rest of the kids in the class, to each them about inequity in society.

These left-wing activist bureaucrats are lunatics, and when parents find out about this — parents, by the way, across socioeconomic and racial strata — they’re just saying, no, I just want my kids to be, you know, learning how to spell and do math and behave themselves in class. I don’t want them being taught this particularly in the first and second grade.

The right once again has an opportunity here, conservatives have an opportunity to not just be the party of parental rights in education, be the party of normal people.

CLAY: Yes.

BUCK: To be the party of, you know, we’re not crazy. Like, what is this stuff?

CLAY: Buck, I had a conversation with my wife recently where I said, it disappoints me how few people can’t JBN. What’s JBN? It’s my acronym, just be normal. Just be normal. Normal parents do not want their kids to be taught sexual-related instruction in kindergarten, first, second, and third grade.

And I gotta give a lot of credit to Ron DeSantis because not only did he fight back as soon as this bill got attacked, but, Buck, he actually went to war with Disney. Because Disney tried to come out and say, oh, we’re gonna take potshots at Ron DeSantis in the state of Florida, and most of the time politicians curl up in the fetal position and they try to avoid these battles, but this is a great example of why I think Ron DeSantis is being way smarter than his critics.

Because so often the Blue Check Brigade members, the blue check journos, as you like to call them, they don’t have the sense of what the real world is like. And as a result, they think the real world is Twitter, which is where a lot of the media spins spends their time. And if you live in New York or you live in California and you spend your time on social media, you can convince yourself that things that are wildly unpopular in the real world are normal or supported.

Because I guarantee you if you analyze Twitter for the way that this bill was talked about, you would think, if you’re just scrolling through, oh, my goodness, everybody’s opposed to this. The reality is exactly the opposite. You know, Twitter say carnival funhouse mirror. It isn’t a reflection of the real world. And when I see these data points, it just makes me so angry that we still have so many people in positions of power quickly reacting to whatever the story of the day is on Twitter as if what those people are arguing in favor of is in any way representative of the nation as a whole.

BUCK: And yet when you add this all together, you have yet again a moment where we can see a pathway to getting people aren’t mobilized by the usual talking points about, you know, the left or the right or whatever, they’re seeing with their own eyes the reality of the school system during the pandemic and also increasingly with the left-wing bureaucracies that teach this.

My friend Ryan Girdusky, who we’ve had on the show before, he always says, they don’t teach CRT. They actually practice CRT, meaning that they put kids through these exercises that are rooted in CRT ideology without even explaining that critical race theory is what’s behind it, and they make them do things, like the hair color — this was in a San Antonio school — By the way, San Antonio, folks, right? I mean, you know, this is in Texas. This isn’t happening — this is not San Francisco or in — you know, in New York City.

CLAY: Seattle. Yeah.

BUCK: And so going into this midterm election, I think this is really unimportant because where did Republicans beat expectations in the last election in Virginia? They beat it with people who were mobilized because of what they’d seen in the school system the next time around, yeah, there will be people that’ll see inflation and the open border and all those things.

The Republican understands and I think independents understand what a disaster the Biden regime is. But we talk about this a lot, Clay. You can mobilize suburban moms to realize the Republican Party at least wants you to have a say and is not crazy when it comes to your child’s education, matters a lot. Matters a lot.

CLAY: Matters a tremendous amount.

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Brittany in Raleigh on How Covid Made Women Reconsider Choices

16 Mar 2022

BUCK: Brittany in Raleigh, North Carolina, fired up about equal pay for women stuff. What’s up, Brittany?

CALLER: I’ve been listening to you, you know, play one of those typical VP Harris clips, and I get a little frustrated when people want to talk about the equal pay and especially with covid, how we keep hearing this line about how covid was actually really bad for women because we all left the workforce to come home and take care of our kids and so the fix is child care, and I actually think what covid did is it reminded parents that they want to take care of their own kids. Sorry. I’m doing laundry. Running up and down the stairs.

So parents need to be taking care of their own kids, and we got to do that during covid, and then with everything we saw that our kids were seeing and hearing and experiencing while we’re busy working, we just had, you know, I don’t think I want to outsource that anymore.

CLAY: Brittany, how many kids do you have?

BUCK: I have four.

CLAY: What ages are they?

CALLER: And — 3 to 11.

CLAY: Oh, my God. So you’re in the weeds. I’ll tell you this — and, Brittany, and I’ll bet you agree — so when we had our third kid, my wife was able to stay home and didn’t have to continue to work. She was a guidance counselor at school. She quit working a little bit before that third kid and was able to stay home with our two youngest. And I’ll tell you this. Our life got a billion percent better.

And I do think, Brittany, there is some of that. A lot of parents out there recognized, okay, we’re a dual income family, but what are we spending on child care, what are we losing by not being with the kids in ourselves and I think a lot of women recognize that maybe trying to reach for that brass ring didn’t make sense when you might feel more fulfilled and happy being home with your kids, especially when they’re young, before they get into that, you know, kindergarten-school age. Do you hear other women talking about that, Brittany?

CALLER: I do. And actually just had this conversation a couple weeks ago with there were four of us in the conversation who all had a different number of children, and we all work, or don’t work, a different amount, you know, intensity of jobs, from very full time to one is a stay at home homeschooling mom. And we all agreed. But actually what we would like, what our families would like, what our husbands and I would like say tax code that doesn’t burden us so dramatically as middle-class families that both parents have to be working.

CLAY: Yes.

CALLER: You know, we would like inflation to be under control so that we can pay the bills and we do have money for the kids to do some activities, you know, for us to take a vacation once a year and not have to require that both parents work for that. And that gets so lost in so much of the national conversation that just think, let’s just provide more day care, more the childcare, more day care, free preschool, let’s separate kids from their parents more and that’ll fix it. And that’s not actually what families want. Families want to be together, and I think a lot of families are frustrated that they don’t even have the opportunity to have a conversation in their home about whether or not they like to be a single income family because it’s less and less attainable.

CLAY: Thank you for the call. We were spending so much on child care that my wife was basically making her income and then it was going back out the door for child care, Buck. And, you know, it turns out that people who are older than you, some of them have some pretty good ideas. And the idea of having — and, by the way, can be a woman who’s working, man could stay home, whatever the situation might be — but having one parent who is able to focus a hundred percent on the kids and another parent who is working outside of the home or working full time is actually — our life got a billion percent better when my wife was able to quit working and stay home with our kids and I was still working.

I know that that can be financially struggle for many people but, like, we did the math on it back in the day when my kids were super young, and we were spending just as much on child care as my wife was making as a guidance counselor at a public high school. And I just — I think there are a lot of people — I think Brittany’s call is right, Buck. There are a lot of people who question many of their life choices during this covid mess and have made significant life adjustments.

BUCK: Yeah, one of the only up sides of it, I think, was that there was so much more time spent in the home for a lot of people together, and we do get very used to this commute, rush to the cubicle, get home as fast as you can after maybe you put in those overtime hours lifestyle. It doesn’t actually have to be that way. Remote work I think will help in a lot of ways too.

CLAY: For many people.

BUCK: Some people don’t mind it. I hate commuting. I think commuting is like being stuck in a penal colony. where I have to —

CLAY: So inefficient.

BUCK: — all day, absolutely hate it. So, you know, for some folks they like to listen to I don’t know, a fantastic radio show when they commute; so that’s fine. But people should have flexibility in how they schedule their days. And there’s something really brilliant that Jordan Peterson often hits on — I’ll paraphrase him. You guys all know Jordan Peterson. We had him on a little while ago: Your life is not pushing as hard as you can to get to that vacation on the beach with that delicious margarita. That’s a break in your life. Your life is how do your children greet you when you come home from work? How does your wife greet you or your husband greet you when you leave in the morning? Whether to go get groceries or to go to your job or whatever the case may be, how do you sleep at night? How do you get along with the people you spend your time with?

And so I think covid made a lot of people think about that, you know, struggling and putting it all into hitting VP by the time you’re 40, some people fine, but a lot of people realize there’s other stuff out there.

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One of USA Today’s Women of the Year Is a Dude

16 Mar 2022

CLAY: This is a big deal. We just talked about with Brittany, and I thought Brittany’s call was fantastic, many of you loved it as well, as many of you used covid to make your own life choices and maybe change some of the decisions that you thought were important to you.

But this got my own wife super fired up. The idea that you could be a transgender woman, right, that you could be born a man and then you end up in a position where you decide to become a woman and then you get named as the Woman of the Year, or one of them.

This is from USA Today. They have named Rachel Levine as one of USA Today’s women of the year. This is part of their Women of the Century Project. And it is Admiral Rachel Levine who is — what is her official title, Buck, in the Biden administration?

BUCK: Well, I believe would be his official title.

CLAY: Yes.

BUCK: His official title would be —

CLAY: I can’t even keep up anymore. Health and Human Services?

BUCK: Yeah.

CLAY: Head of the U.S. public health —

BUCK: — assistant secretary for health for the U.S. Department of Health and Human Services and the head of the U.S. public health service commission corps.

CLAY: This is just such — by the way, we’ve got the swimmer from UPenn this week is competing to try to become the greatest women swimmer of all time, the man. I just — if you’re a woman —

BUCK: How is this not offensive?

CLAY: Yeah, that’s what I’m saying.

BUCK: How is this not offensive, Clay?

CLAY: My wife says that it is.

BUCK: Not a woman getting a women’s award, at what point do people — first of all, the fact that feminists go along with this just goes to show you that they are bitter Marxists. They don’t actually stand for women. They just want power, and they want some way to explain why they’re so unhappy with their life choices. And with this they just go along with the hive mind of the left, which is essentially erasing women.

I always see our friends over at The Daily Wire, Matt Walsh among them, will say all he wants is for the left to define what a woman is.

CLAY: Yes.

BUCK: And they get furious, and it’s because they refuse to define what a woman is.

CLAY: Here’s what the point that I just keep making, and I would encourage everybody else out there to make it. You remember, Buck, Rachel Dolezal, the woman who was white that became the head of the NAACP.

BUCK: This created a discussion about transracial identity.

CLAY: Transracial — yeah, right. It was according to left wingers super racist and unacceptable for a white woman to identify as a black woman. Unacceptable. Absolutely absurdly racist, we were told, in order for Rachel Dolezal to make that choice.

Yet for everybody out there listening, if you had to change your gender or change your race, which do you think would be a more substantial altercation in your life? And how is it that changing your gender is heroic yet changing your race is super racist?

Nobody can ever explain to me how that dichotomy exists, because it seems to me that changing your race, if we’re gonna argue that it’s brave and courageous and worthy of popular acclaim, it seems to me that the standard you apply should be the same.

BUCK: I mean, there’s also Shaun King —

CLAY: Oh, yes. Of course.

BUCK: This is from The Daily Beast. Here’s the headline, quote: The mother of Tamir Rice calls Shaun King, quote, a white man acting black, end quote. Shaun King was a BLM activist.

CLAY: Is he still super active on social media?

BUCK: He was. I don’t know if he is anymore, but he was also someone who, you know —

CLAY: Appeared to be a white guy pretending to be black.

BUCK: The claim was that he made later on in life his mother told him that his father was a very light-skinned black man, but, I mean, this also raises the whole, you know, the conversation about gender is a very straightforward biological reality.

CLAY: Yes.

BUCK: Any anyone who wants to do what about intersex conversation? I say, Clay, let’s have that conversation. There’s usually one dominant structure — family show — but that’s not what transgenderism is about. Transgender individuals are not intersex biologically. They are emotionally and psychologically transgender. It is not a physical manifestation.

Put that aside for a second though. Anyone who has done 23 and Me, you know, race can be a much more complicated and multivariable thing than gender, to be sure, right? You could have, you know, a mother who is biracial and a father who’s biracial and then, you know, what do you identify as at that point and what is your — you know, it’s a much more interesting and nuanced discussion, but because of identity politics they pretend that it’s actually black and white, to borrow a phrase.

CLAY: Yeah. The data reflects from that 23 and Me that around 25% of all black — and I’m putting black if quotation marks — DNA is actually European and that nearly 50% of much of Hispanic DNA — and a Hispanic is in quotation marks, again — is often European as well.

So this idea that race is a clear-cut delineation and that there’s a massive difference is oftentimes not true for anyone who has gone out and gotten their DNA analyzed to see where your lineage may have arisen.

BUCK: I had a roommate in college who — he would always make jokes about this, that he would say that he could pass for any number of — and he could. He was kind of, you know, part Jewish, part Asian, part — part Latino. I mean, he had all these things. And if someone said what is his race, there’s a whole bunch of things going on here we could talk about — isn’t this wonderful, we’re all one human race is the actual conclusion here. But on gender? Every woman in the locker room with that swimmer at U Penn knows that that’s a guy.

CLAY: Yes. That’s right. And for anyone out there who is listening to us right now, if you had to make the decision, if you’re gonna change your race or your gender, which one do you think would be more substantially altering of your life?

You mentioned somebody who’s got a large number of different racial backgrounds. Tiger Woods. Remember he famously called himself the Cablilnasian because he had all these different ethnic backgrounds all rolled into him, one of the greatest golfers in the history of the world.
It would be far easier for the majority of people out there to decide to identify as a different race than it would be to decide to change your gender.

This is one of those things where when you push left wingers on this. I’ve never heard a good example, a good argument of why changing your gender isn’t far more significant than changing your race and why they’re treated so inherently differently.

BUCK: I mean, also it’s clear that there’s identity politics at work in this in terms of the narrative. I mean, for example — people will say, Kamala Harris they’ll say is the first black female vice president. Fine. You much less frequently hear, though, she’s also the first south Asian female vice president. I think it’s worth asking, I mean, why do we do that so much?

CLAY: Does heritage not matter? Yes. So it’s an interesting point. And I think it’s emblematic of the upside down world we live in where USA Today is naming this man as one of the women of the year. It’s very, very strange, Buck.

BUCK: Major media organizations are literally naming men as women of the year.

CLAY: Yes.

BUCK: This is what wokeness is in 2022, everybody. If you wanted an encapsulation of it, there you have it.

CLAY: And the greatest swimmer in college history could be a man this week with what’s going on at the UPenn swimming championships down at Georgia Tech.

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Kamala Peddles Myths to Celebrate Equal Pay Day

16 Mar 2022

BUCK: The White House doesn’t learn the proper lessons from the failures and from the poor decision-making that it engages in on a regular basis. They do something, the outcome is bad, and they keep doing more of it. They say, if only we doubled down, then things will get better. That’s one defining characteristic of the Biden regime. Another one is that they will still focus on things that do not matter and even in some cases do not even exist, do not even exist. Equal Pay Day is based upon the myth that there is widespread, systemic pay inequity based on sexism.

You’ve probably heard this. You know, women only earn 71 cents on the dollar, the number changes, 75 cents, whatever it is, something like that. And when they actually look at this in a real way, when they don’t create studies the way they create mask studies now where they don’t have a control group and they just are trying to come up with an excuse to push a modeling approach. “We modeled this on a computer, so here’s the answer.”

“Well, what went into your model?”

“Be quiet. Don’t ask questions.”

Equal Pay Day is a thing now. I don’t even know this I think it’s March 7th every year, Equal Pay Day. And Kamala Harris, because if you ever want someone to represent merit, hard work, and the top level of skills in one’s profession, everybody thinks of Kamala. Kamala Harris at the Equal Pay Day summit. Here she is at the usual. Please. Oh, I think so.

HARRIS: Our economy just has not been working as it should for the women of our nation. Across industries women are less likely to be hired than equally qualified men. They are paid less and promoted slower for doing similar work. Women are routinely shut out of good jobs in high paying industries such as science and technology, construction and truck driving in partly because our society tells women that some industries are just not for them.

BUCK: This is just not true. This is one of these things the left keeps saying, keep saying, and every time it’s debunked, you come back to the, it’s not true. The wage decisions reflect personal choices, they reflect economic reality, they reflect hours worked in, they reflect the difficulty and risks of different professions. Clay, you ran a business, very successful business, been acquired by Fox. If you could save 30% of all personnel costs

CLAY: That’s my argument every time. That’s my argument every time. Anybody who has ever run a business, if you told me that women only made 70% of what men make, why would every business in America not exclusively hire women and save 30% on their labor costs? And what’s frustrating about this, it’s just a lie.

But what’s also frustrating about this is, if you really want to focus on women and the challenges they’re facing right now, Buck, it’s the two-year anniversary of “15 days to slow the spread.” Do you know the overwhelming group of works out there that bore the brunt of the shutdown and the lockdown? Women. Because women overwhelmingly bear responsibility for child care in this country. So shutting down schools and not allowing women to work — I believe — I’m not sure we’ve gotten back there yet — we were at a 30-year low for female participation in the workforce early in this year or late and last year as the ravages and impacts of the shutdowns continued.

So if you really wanted to have a nuanced, intelligent discussion about the challenges to women, it would have been a discussion about how all of the experts, in quotation marks, failed, and women bore the brunt of their failures when they shut down schools and when they shut down the economy. Remember, we’re still over two million fewer people working today than were working when the shutdowns happened back in March of 2020.

BUCK: There’s also in this equal pay — you know, this pay disparity myth a gender negation component, because the left insists that women and men, if left to their own devices, will just make the exact same professional choices. And so when it doesn’t actually sort out that way, it must be because of misogynistic gender discrimination, which is a very simplistic and really kind of Marxist view about how all this stuff actually works.

Let’s start with this one. Veterinarians, for example, veterinarians are highly paid, and it’s a profession that is dominated statistically by women. It’s not all women, but it’s something like 60, 65%, a solid majority of veterinarians across the country. They make a lot of money. Are men being excluded from that or are more women choosing that? There’s also nursing. There’s primary school instruction. There’s these areas where women make choices that are reflected in the marketplace because women are more likely to do, let’s say, veterinarian work and less likely to be on one of those freezing cold ships where they pull the tuna out of the Bering Sea that they made the show of, you know?

CLAY: Well, biology — Deadliest Catch, fantastic show.

BUCK: Thank you.

CLAY: Biology is real. And biology is real. And every man who’s married out there and has ended up having kids, by and large, a huge percentage of you have found out that women plan far better for having children than men do because they are aware of the challenges that come with having children in a way — and I’ll put myself in this category — frankly, that I never was. And they also, again, bear so much of the responsibility for child care that the people who were failed the most by lockdowns, number one, were kids. Number two were moms. And that’s why we have to have real consequences in the midterm elections coming up very soon. Women are angry. They need to have their votes counted and heard in a monstrous way.

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C&B Come Out in Favor of the 4-Day Workweek

16 Mar 2022

BUCK: We got some more thoughts for you on something that we could say might improve your life just a little bit and is actually truly bipartisan right now. So, we’re ending on something of a happy note. The U.S. Senate has approved a bill to make Daylight Saving Time permanent.

Now, Clay, we have to break this down for a moment here because to me I just don’t want the time to be changing.

CLAY: Ever.

BUCK: The dumbest thing — this is before there was double masking, I think the dumbest thing that we were all made to do — was changing your clock twice a year, like, why, right?

CLAY: Yes.

BUCK: It made no sense at all. I am seeing people, though, apparently — I didn’t know this was possible — who are upset because they don’t like that the hour will be moved. It will stay forward, they liked the way — have you seen this?

CLAY: Yeah, I understand the arguments, and I’m sure there’s a break down of a certain percentage for our audience and the nation as a whole.

I think most people — I say most people — prefer to have hours later in the day as opposed to early in the morning, right? So, for example, when I get home with my kids, I would rather be able to run around with them outside and still have daylight longer in the winter, ’cause, for instance, where I live in Nashville it’s dark at 4:30 Central time.

So, you talk about how crippling that feels, you barely get the kids out of school, you get home, and it’s pitch black already. It feels like it’s 10 o’clock at night. It’s 5 o’clock in the afternoon. So, having an extra hour in the evening I think would be great. I’m just anti-changing the time in general.

When I lived in the Caribbean, I lived in the U.S. Virgin Islands practicing law down there, no time change, no time change at all. I loved it. We were on the Atlantic time zone all year round, because the U.S. changes, that means part of the year we were on the Eastern time zone, other part of the year we were on the Atlantic, hour ahead of Eastern time zone. I loved it.

I think the way to go is to never, ever change the time again. So we have to get it passed in the House —

BUCK: Right.

CLAY: — and then Biden would have to sign it and it would become national law because the Senate has passed it.

BUCK: Yeah, the Senate passed the bill — I think it was a hundred to zero, my — or it was — I don’t think anyone voted against it.

CLAY: I think that’s correct.

BUCK: I think even Mitt Romney had the —

CLAY: Even Mitt Romney.

BUCK: — had the gall, had the backbone to vote for this one. Yay, Mitt, you should be so proud of yourself.

But I’ll tell you this, man. This is, you know — this is opportunity — may sound a little crazy — this is opportunity to say, you know, all of this stuff is what we all agree to and what we decide society will be, four-day workweek, Clay.

Now I know I’m like the guy who is running for student council president who says we’re gonna have, you know, no homework and ice cream every day at recess and whatever, but, you know, five days, we only get a two day weekend, doesn’t feel like much? I know you are tweeting until like midnight every day.-

CLAY: I work way too much. And I’m trying — my goal in 2020 — I don’t even know what year we’re in — 2022 — was to work way less. And then it’s like whenever you make that goal, something crazy happens. We got a war in Ukraine all of a sudden, right? I was like, hey, you know what? Gonna have a couple of months where it’s chill, we know it’s gonna be wild for what we do as it gets closer and closer to the midterms. But I felt like, hey, maybe things are gonna be chill a little bit, won’t be much going on for February, March, April, May, a little bit of a relaxed time. And then we got a war in Europe. You know, you never can just take a breather.

BUCK: One thing that we saw because of covid is that there are people who, when they have a truly flexible work schedule, will be even more productive. When they don’t have to come into the office and they can do whatever they want to do and that most people — this why the movie Office Space is so brilliant.

I still recommend it. I love that movie. When he breaks it down for ’em, when he breaks it down for the two Bobs and he says, you know, on any given day I’d say I’d do 15 minutes of actual, real work.

CLAY: Yeah, right.

BUCK: Anyone who’s had kind of a boring office job, which I’ve had in the past, knows, a lot of time you spend at the water cooler talking about the sports or, you know, hanging out with folks and just sort of killing time. We could — look at how work from home has changed the way we think about work for so many people, millions of people across the country.

We could get it all done in four days, folks.

I know it seems crazy. I know you’re thinking I’m nuts, but we could, Monday through Thursday, and then the weekend could be established for all Friday, Saturday, Sunday. We’d the all be living better — I lived in Greece for a summer, Clay, they take like three hour naps every day. It’s ridiculous.

CLAY: I’ll tell you this. This was my big issue with practicing law. If you told every lawyer in America you get paid the same amount but you can finish your work as rapidly as you want, right? The problem with practicing law you have the billable hours system; so it’s not only how long something takes, it’s how long something should take. You could have 95% lawyer efficiency and probably cut 70% of all billable hours.

There’s no need for 80%, 75, 70% or so of all legal work. So this was my issue with being a litigator. I just hated how inefficient it was. And so I always thought, you know, hey, if you told everybody, if you get all your work done — and I think that’s what’s happening a lot with people who work at home ’cause there’s not somebody looking over their shoulder all the. Time, as long as you produce quality work, you can get it done fast, you got way more lifestyle time built around you. And I think there are a lot of people who buy into this.

BUCK: This stuff, you know, we take for granted there’s a system in place, you have to do it in a certain way, certain times. But I think we should really have bigger societal conversations not only about what — about the work schedule — I really mean — I really think we should have a four — I know it’s crazy, we should have a four-day workweek —

CLAY: It’s a bold claim. I didn’t know you were gonna go full pinko commie here. I will say this.

BUCK: Wait, wait but hold — hold, can I just consider — one thing. Parents who do homeschooling, one of the things I always find so interesting.

CLAY: Oh, yeah.

BUCK: — is that they say they have their lesson plans and stuff, they often get done by noon or 1 o’clock.

CLAY: Yeah.

BUCK: And then the kid can just be a kid.

CLAY: That’s right. I agree. There’s no doubt that there’s a huge part of the school day that is wasted.

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C&B 24/7: Clay & Buck’s Show Prep

16 Mar 2022

  • FOXNews: 10 biggest COVID mistakes – Americans deserve an apology from the medical experts – Dr. Marty Makary
  • New York Post: Zelensky plays Congress a heartbreaking video of the horrors of Russia’s war
  • UK daily Mail: Zelensky urges Biden to be the ‘leader of the world’ and invokes MLK in heartbreaking speech telling Congress to ‘do more’: Tells US to shut the skies because it is 9/11 ‘every day’ and says ‘I stopped when the hearts of children stopped beating’
  • Washington Post: China’s attempt to play both sides of the Ukraine crisis is starting to crack
  • The Times of Israel: Abramovich arrives in Moscow, flying in from Israel via Turkey
  • New York Post: China won’t let Putin lose his ugly Ukraine war – John Lee

  • HotAir: Wimbledon may force Russian players to denounce Putin
  • Gateway Pundit: Germany’s Not Laughing Now – Russia Reverses Gas Flow of Key Pipeline Serving Europe
  • ZeroHedge: European Regulators Tell Banks To Put Russian Accounts Under Surveillance, Even EU Residents
  • Washington Free Beacon: Never Let a Crisis Go to Waste: Biden Urged To Use Ukraine as Excuse To Advance Green New Deal Through Emergency Order

  • PJ Media: Biden Confuses the Vice President with His Wife, Hilarity Ensues
  • CNN: Second gentleman Doug Emhoff tests positive for Covid-19
  • CBS Sports: Nets’ Kyrie Irving erupts for career-high 60 points as NBA’s scoring binge shows no signs of slowing down

  • Federalist: Covid Isn’t Over Until Every Official Who Abused It Is Held Accountable For The Destruction They Caused
  • Breitbart: Report: New York Gov. Andrew Cuomo Failed to Account for 4,100 Nursing Home Deaths
  • UK Daily Mail: Deja Vu? Hong Kong COVID wave sees workers in hazmat suits dumping corpses in shipping containers as morgues overflow
  • Daily Caller: Biden Threatens To Veto Senate’s Repeal Of Mask Mandate
  • Washington Post: TSA has investigated 3,800 mask-related incidents, issued $644,000 in fines
  • Daily Wire: Senate Votes To Repeal Mask Mandate For Planes, Public Transportation
  • Daily Wire: Senate Votes To Repeal Travel Mask Mandates In Bipartisan Rebuke Of Biden Admin

  • Federalist: Liberals Like Bill Maher, Bari Weiss, And Andrew Sullivan Should Apologize For Whitewashing Joe Biden’s Corruption And Incompetence
  • New York Post: The Fed must fix the mess it created and raise rates to choke off inflation – Charles Gasparino
  • CNBC: The Federal Reserve is expected to raise rates, but unique challenges could slow its pace
  • UK Guardian: Rising cost of living is having a devastating impact
  • Bloomberg: U.S. retail sales soften as high gasoline costs begin to bite
  • Bloomberg: Wall Street Gets Reprieve From Fed Crackdown as Raskin Bows Out
  • Washington Free Beacon: Pain at the Pump: Tracking the Biden Oil Crisis. Democrats blame Russia, urge ordinary Americans to buy a Tesla like AOC

  • Wall Street Journal: California Bill Aims to Make Tech Firms Liable for Social-Media Addiction in Children
  • UK Daily Mail: ‘China’s already on the wrong side of history’: US moves 3,000 troops to Australia over fears country could go to war with Beijing as Blinken slams Xi’s support for Putin
  • Breitbart: UK Energy Bills to Rise 14 Times Faster than Wages Amid Green Push, Sanctions War
  • RedState: Jill Biden Awkwardly Steps in After Joe Biden Mangles Announcement About the ‘First Gentleman’

  • PJ Media: Has Nancy Pelosi Been Drinking on the Job Again? It Sure Looks That Way…
  • BizPacReview: FL Gov. Ron DeSantis closes legislative session hailing this the ‘year of the parent’
  • HotAir: Sorry, ABC: Politico/Morning Consult poll shows majority support for Florida sex-ed limits
  • Legal Insurrection: ‘We’re Talking About Young Kids’: Bill Maher Slams Woke Outrage Over Florida Parental Rights Bill
  • UK Daily Mail: BLM activist named ‘Bostonian of the year’ whose nonprofit raised $1M is charged with squandering much of it on rent arrears, $1,200 hotel stay and meals at Bubba Gump Shrimp Co. and Shake Shack after being arrested at her $450,000 home
  • Breitbart: Project Veritas Releases Footage Allegedly Showing Predawn FBI Raid on Its Journalist
  • Gateway Pundit: NY Governor Kathy Hochul Invited to NY Rangers Game – Gets Booed Off the Ice

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    It’s Time for a Negotiated Settlement with Putin

    15 Mar 2022

    BUCK: Let’s start with just how serious the situation is right now, how high the stakes are. Joe Biden’s been president for a year. It seems like everything is going against him. If the Democrats had compelling arguments in favor of any move Biden made, I would think we would be compelled to tell the audience.

    This is what they are saying, folks, just so you know. What they’re saying right now is essentially blather, contradictory or absurd. And in the background of all this you even have the U.N. secretary general, Antonio Guterres, warning that the prospect of nuclear conflict is back in a serious way on the world stage.

    BUCK: The path of diplomacy and peace, Clay. What should the U.S. role you think at this stage be? We have voices still for either a no-fly zone, a “limited” no-fly zone, a humanitarian airlift that would bring U.S. plane into Ukrainian airspace perhaps. What should we do?

    CLAY: We gotta figure out what a “negotiated settlement” is gonna look like, and I think the United States should be leading the charge for a negotiated settlement. The concern that we’ve talked about on this show quite a lot is when things are not going well for Vladimir Putin — and they aren’t — then you get concerned that this is a guy who is going to act irrationally in order to try to make up for the fact that he has not been able to demonstrate his military superiority like he was told he would be able to — and then, on the international stage, he’s embarrassed.

    We’re talking about a five-foot seven former KGB agent who is approaching 70 years old and sees probably as his legacy restoring Russia to a dominant position on the world stage. And with this invasion of Ukraine, instead of that occurring, he’s been embarrassed. He has been labeled as the evil dictator who is attempting to overrule democracy. His economy is in shambles. His global standing has been torn asunder.

    So to me, you have to find a way where he can claim victory for his own people, even though it is not in the best interests of the world. And to me — we talked about this, Buck, and I think your analysis of where we’re likely to end up — give him a part of the eastern region of Ukraine, which has long-standing connections to Russia.

    Allow him to claim victory. Simultaneously allow Zelensky to claim victory on behalf of all the brave Ukrainians who have stood up and fought. Allow him certainly to remain leader of Ukraine, and try, in some way — and I don’t know how you do this, ’cause this is the biggest challenge associated with this, Buck — try in some way to ensure that this situation is settled once and for all.

    And the problem is you can’t trust anything that Vladimir Putin says, right? So what’s to stop him from deciding to invade again to try to take more of the Ukrainian territory in the years ahead? I don’t know how you fix this. This feels a bit, feels a bit like what happened with Saddam Hussein in the first Gulf War where we… It’s different because we’re gonna end up I think with Russia taking more territory.

    But the problem is you’re still gonna have Putin in power, and so I don’t know. Whatever “solution” — and I’m putting that in quotation marks — we reach here feels like not a very reliable one in the long run. Because in the same way that Hussein remained in control of Iraq and was still a thorn in the side of the United States and everybody in the Middle East, same thing’s gonna happen with Vladimir Putin, right?

    But I think that’s probably the best-case scenario you could get is to give him a little bit of eastern Ukraine, allow this thing to end, and then the question becomes — we talked about this yesterday, Buck — how do you reintegrate Russia into the larger global world order given how quickly they’ve been ostracized? We don’t have any precedent from situation such as this.

    BUCK: I think you’re right that this is going to end up — unfortunately, I think it could turn out to be — a long-term, phased consumption, if you will, a seizing of Ukraine piecemeal, which already has occurred officially with Crimea and then the Donbas region stretching back now for years. I think the Dnieper River becomes the dividing the line, and then the question is, does Kiev…?

    I would think, unless one of the western cities all of a sudden became the new de facto capital, Kiev would probably stay in the hands of a Ukrainian state. But the faster we can get to a negotiated settlement, the better. Because here’s the other part of this. Right now, Russia is on full-scale offensive. Russia is going after the Ukrainians. The Ukrainians are trying to defend their cities and towns — and, yes, they are resisting heroically.

    It seems that they have outpaced all the analysis of how hard they’d be willing to fight up to this point. That’s all true. But Russia has already established full control over some parts of Ukraine and to get them to relinquish that would mean that Ukraine would have to go on offense against Russian positions where they are dug in, which is very, very unlikely.

    So this is why you’re gonna… I don’t think the Ukrainian government could do it, quite honestly. I don’t think that’s possible. If it was possible, they would have kicked out the Russian-backed separatists in Donbas who have been fighting for the last seven-or-so years. So fighting Russia to a stalemate is I think the closest thing you get to Ukrainian victory.

    Where the Russians decide, “All right. We’ve gone enough. We’ve done enough. What are we gonna do here? What’s the negotiation look like?” The idea of Ukraine expelling the Russian invader entirely from Ukrainian soil? I just don’t think that’s realistic. I’m not there. I’m not on the ground. But we’re obviously reading about this all day long and trying to follow this as closely as possible, which then brings us to the U.S. component of this.

    And for everyone listening, what are we going to do, what should we do? I think that people are recognizing that a no-fly zone — finally understanding a no-fly zone — is a military action, that a no-fly zone is not, “Hey, we’re gonna do this thing,” and it doesn’t cause escalation. It’s very likely that it would cause immediate escalation from the Russian side of things, and that’s why you’re hearing, for example, from Lindsey Graham now moving the line a little bit here to a no-fly zone if chemical weapons are in fact used.

    BUCK: Okay. No boots on the ground. No one is saying we should have boots on the ground, and I think also everyone’s recognized that the Russians can hit people anywhere, anytime inside of Ukraine. So it’s an incredibly dangerous war zone to be in — and, beyond that, I think this is Lindsey Graham moving away slowly from this.

    And there will be others, too, who say, “Okay, only a no-fly zone if,” instead of, “A no-fly zone should happen now,” because of the recognition that, one, we want to get to a settlement — I don’t think a no-fly zone gets us to a settlement faster’ I think it gets to escalation faster — and, two, in the background of all of this is, they tell us that Putin is crazy.

    Putin has this aggressive invasion, that he has called for of Ukraine, killing civilians. They’re leveling hospitals. It’s a mess. What makes people think that Putin wouldn’t go further? I think these are the calculations that have to be made right now, and America is obviously involved insofar as we’re debating every day what we’re gonna do.

    CLAY: I think also, what is acceptable? What is acceptable for Ukraine, what is acceptable for Russia because that’s how this negotiation ultimately plays out. I was reading last night that there seems to be fairly significant conversations that are taking place right now. Certainly, that has gone in a way that was not anticipated by Vladimir Putin.

    But we’re going to end up in an era, whether people like it or not, where Putin, at the end of this, claims victory inside of Russia with a media that he mostly controls. And the rest of the world, I believe, says Ukraine won. That’s the likely outcome in terms of what this looks like. But the question is, how quickly can we get to that settlement? How many lives can be saved?

    And how stable is whatever negotiated settlement that we actually reach given that we can’t really trust Vladimir Putin, to me, to accede to whatever that negotiated settlement is for anytime in the future, because if we’re unwilling to actually hold him accountable — which I think we are, right? We don’t want to start a war with Russia.

    How do we stop him from invading and deciding after a year or two that he’s no longer happy with the situation that is at hand in Ukraine? And also, by the way, like, this whole process… Again, I come back to the big question is: What happens to Russia going forward? How do we go back to…? It sounds like a small thing, but how do we go back to reintegrating Russia into the global marketplace, and to what extent is that possible?

    BUCK: There’s also a global realignment that is underway right now of Russia. We’ll talk more about the China angle to all of this and what’s their relationship like going forward with Russia, what have they done so far. We have our State Department making comments about how, “Well, if China were to do anything to help Russia, we would…”

    Oh, really? We’re gonna take on punishing China, too, right now? So what’s happening there? Also, Clay, Saudi Arabia — Wall Street Journal reporting on this just a few minutes ago — is considering accepting the yuan instead of dollars for oil purchases. People have been talking about the end of America as the global reserve currency for a long time as the big signpost of the end of American empire. This is when you start to see a major shift in the global order that we have here. If we’re not the reserve currency, we are not the America economically that we thought we were.

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    Dr. Mark McDonald on America’s Mass Delusional Psychosis

    15 Mar 2022

    BUCK: We’re joined now by psychologist Mark McDonald. He is the author of United States of Fear: How America Fell Victim to a Mass Delusional Psychosis. Dr. McDonald, thanks for being with us.

    DR. MCDONALD: Thank you. Just a quick clarification. I am a medical doctor so I’m a psychiatrist, not a psychologist.

    BUCK: Oh. Well, there we go. I’m glad we called you doctor ’cause that would definitely be true.

    DR. MCDONALD: (laughs) Yeah.

    BUCK: So, Dr. McDonald, tell us, sir, what is a mass delusional psychosis, and how did this happen?

    DR. MCDONALD: So mass delusional psychosis, which I began speaking about way back in summer of 2020 and then ultimately wrote a book about it called United States of Fear this past October is essentially an entire society, meaning the United States — although this extends, obviously, beyond the U.S. — all deciding to go crazy at the same time, meaning that they stopped thinking rationally.

    And we know this from just looking out of our windows in our homes and our cars and seeing people walking, driving, biking, by themselves, wearing one, two, three masks, face shields, gloves, shutting down schools for children, who really have no business being at home because their job is to be at school and they’re completely safe at school.

    Shutting down businesses, people not wanting to go into elevators with other people for over a year and a half. This is not rational thinking, and it’s not one person. It’s not 20. It’s an entire country of people all doing it at the same time, and that’s why I called it mass delusional psychosis.

    CLAY: Dr. McDonald, is this more of an issue, in your experience, for children or adults? Who has a harder time grappling with these rules and what the impact might be going ahead?

    DR. MCDONALD: Well, the children would have been fine if we had just left them alone.

    CLAY: Yeah.

    DR. MCDONALD: But children take their cues from adults, and they also take their cues from other kids, and when adults tell children, “It is too scary and too dangerous for you to go to your friend’s house for a sleepover,” or “too dangerous for you to walk to school by yourself without wearing a bunch of masks on your face,” and, “it’s too dangerous for you to visit grandma because she might die if you breathe on her,” that wrecks a child’s psychology.

    That makes a child believe that his simple presence, the regular activities of his day-to-day life — going to school, visiting with friends, seeing grandma — are now no longer safe or appropriate. And then what happens two years later, we tell them, “Guess what? Everything’s fine now! You don’t have to do any of that.”

    The child is completely confused. He’s now been conditioned to think that he’s a danger to society. He’s not gonna be able to let that go. Witness today. First day back at school in Los Angeles County, all the children were told, “You don’t have to wear masks indoors.” The front-page article, L.A. Times says, “No more masks in schools, but 85% of all children continue to wear them.” Why is that?

    BUCK: Outrageous. We’re talking to psychiatrist Mark McDonald. He’s the author of United States of Fear: How America Fell Victim to a Mass Delusional Psychosis. Dr. McDonald, excuse us here ’cause obviously we don’t have medical backgrounds. I’m wondering, though, is this in the psychiatric literature, this notion after mace delusional psychosis?

    For a time the term that was being used among some of the media was “mass formation psychosis.” Is this well studied? I mean, where could people learn more about this? Is this talked about in psychiatric circles? I’m just wondering what the clinical diagnosis of this would be.

    DR. MCDONALD: Well, you’re referring to a kind of jumbling together of two phrases, which is “mass delusional psychosis” and also “mass formation,” the latter of which was coined by a psychologist in Belgium a year or two ago named Desmet, Mattias Desmet, and then Robert Malone popularized the combination of those two by calling it “mass formation psychosis.”

    But the word “formation” really just means psychosis, according to this Belgian psychologist. So mass formation psychosis is just mass psychosis psychosis, which is just repeating the same word twice. But it means the same thing that I mean when I say “mass delusional psychosis,” and the expression, the idea has been around for quite a long time.

    This isn’t the first time that this has happened. Look at the Salem Witch Trials. That was a mass delusional psychosis. In Europe, many women were executed in almost every village in multiple countries throughout Europe because they were called witches — and this was insanity on a social level, on a citywide level. It happened in Northern Europe during the 1600s with the tulip craze.

    Everybody thought tulips were suddenly worth millions of dollars, and they invested in them, only to see themselves bankrupted six months later when the market crashed. People get whipped up into frenzies all the time throughout history in different countries. What’s different about this is that it happened around the entire world. It wasn’t just one town, one city, one state, one country. It was worldwide: Rich, poor, First World, Second World, Third World. This is what makes it unique. This is what makes it different from past crises and mass delusional hysterias.

    CLAY: Dr. McDonald, I’m fascinated by that, the historical cogency you just gave us, ’cause sometimes the emotions of the current day can distract and not make people see things rationally. You just mentioned the tulip craze. That market crashed making people aware, “Oh, tulips really didn’t have the value that we ascribed to them,” right?

    DR. MCDONALD: (laughing) That’s right.

    CLAY: You could see the same thing happened president subprime mortgage crisis in this country on some level, the great moment in the Michael Lewis book and also the movie where the strippers have multiple homes in Florida, and that’s when he — at least in the movie — has a lightbulb moment and says, “Oh, my gosh. We’re totally in the grips all of delusion as it pertains to housing values.”

    DR. MCDONALD: That’s right.

    CLAY: There is crash in those examples where people can say, “Oh, we got this wrong!” There’s a tangible acknowledgment of the wrongness.

    DR. MCDONALD: Yes.

    CLAY: Maybe you can see where I’m going here. Is there any hope of a tangible acknowledgment of the wrongness as it pertains to our response with covid — and if you don’t get that, how do you pull people out of the grips of this mass delusion?

    DR. MCDONALD: The answer, in a word, is “no,” and the reason for that is, those who have manufactured, who have ginned up, generated, motivated, propagated this mass delusional psychosis — meaning the corrupt politicians, unelected bureaucrats, media, and corporate execs — have no motivation or interest to acknowledge what they’ve done. None.

    Witness that we’ve moved on from one crisis, which was covid, to the next crisis, which is Ukraine. Why? Nothing changed except the politics. It is a crisis-distraction strategy, and it is intentional so that Americans and those around the world do not have to look and feel and act on the suffering that they witness in their day-to-day lives: Economic collapse, open borders, drug addictions, fentanyl overdoses, anxiety, depression, suicide, failing schools, crime.

    All of that gets put on the back burner during a state of crisis. So, no, they will not acknowledge it. The only way for us to move forward and get out of this is for individuals — the parents, the friends, the families, people who have taken hold of and been taken hold of fear become essentially addicted to fear — start to acknowledge that they themselves are hurting each other and themselves by holding onto the fear.

    And that’s why I’m writing a second book right now called Freedom from Fear: A 12Sstep Guide to Individual and National Recovery, modeled after AA and Jordan B. Peterson’s 12 Rules for Life. We cannot look to the top to correct themselves. We have to look to each other and build up from the bottom to get over this fear addiction and hopefully, hopefully block the next crisis from taking over our lives.

    BUCK: Psychiatrist Mark McDonald. He has a book out, United States of Fear: How America Fell Victim to a Mass Delusional Psychosis and another one on the way. And, Doc, please come back and talk to us when that one’s ready for the folks to hear about it.

    DR. MCDONALD: I’d love to. Hope to get it out by Easter, perhaps May.

    BUCK: All right. Thanks so much.

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    Jesse Kelly Lets Loose on the Nuclear News Cycle

    15 Mar 2022

    BUCK: We have our friend Jesse Kelly with us. He is nationally syndicated by Premiere Radio Networks. I’m sure you are familiar with his show, his Twitter account. He’s also a source of amusement for many across the country. Mr. Jesse, good to have you on, sir.

    KELLY: Well, it’s an honor to be on the biggest show in the country, and I know you’re honored to have me as well.

    BUCK: As always, sir. As always.

    KELLY: (laughing)

    BUCK: So, Jesse, I want to start with the Biden White House for a second. Joe Biden’s supposed to be heading to Europe, they’re saying. Kamala’s already been over there. Joe Biden’s supposed to be heading to Europe — I believe next week is what’s being talked about right now — as if that is something that is supposed to make us feel better about the situation?

    I mean, I see everything from Biden these days through this lens of I am angry but not surprised that they put this individual in a position where, when things really get tough and rough, we see it was reckless, it was insane to make this guy the president of the United States.

    KELLY: Yeah, I’ll be honest. I don’t want to be a Debbie Downer. Buck, as soon as I heard that — I heard that this morning — I got legitimately worried, I mean, beyond the normal you and I get to laugh on the radio. Me and Clay and you will boo yuk it up over about what an idiot he is. It is legitimately a concern to have this president personally reveal how feeble and not doing well he is to other parts of the world.

    It’s not a stretch to say all the bad guys are on the move right now ’cause they look at the half-functional human being in the White House. I do not want him presenting himself in person to other people. He is not doing well. His mouth hangs open. It looks like he’s half asleep. He does that stiff-armed walk — and everybody who’s looked into it knows exactly what that means. What are these guys gonna think when they meet that guy in person? They’re gonna think we are pathetic and not gonna do anything.

    CLAY: Jesse, this is much less serious, but I saw this and I thought I bet you have a take on it. Buck and I were talking about it off air. Did you see where Elon Musk challenged Vladimir Putin to basically a trial by combat Game of Thrones style which I love?

    KELLY: (laughing)

    CLAY: But, one, like Putin is 69 years old but he’s only five seven. What percentage of Americans do you think Putin could defeat in a trial by combat —

    KELLY: (laughing)

    CLAY: — basically, you know, with his background, and who would be the best American to pick right now if we had a legitimate Game of Thrones trial by combat style? Like, who would you go with?

    KELLY: Obviously we’d have to try to stay in the same age range, I would say, Clay, there’s no question about it. The thing about Putin is everyone talks about him, you know, with his KGB background and they’ll bring up the judo thing.

    CLAY: Yeah.

    KELLY: You don’t know how good the guy is at judo! Obviously if you didn’t give the guy a black belt, all of a sudden you’re gonna be found hanging from your belt in the shower. So of course he’s gonna be give a black belt! You don’t know that he knows anything. I don’t know that I buy into this Vladimir Putin is —

    CLAY: You could beat Putin in a trial by combat, you yourself, you’re a big guy, you’re a Marine, or do you think he would beat you?

    KELLY: I would pummel that tiny little tyrant into a bloody pulp and enjoy every single second. But again, I’m 40. That’s more of an age thing than anything else. You know what? I bet this would be a good match. I’d like to see Putin versus Ted Cruz. Ted Cruz is a little chubby. He’s friend of mine, I can say it. He’s a little chubby, he’s a little younger.

    But probably not what you’d consider some kind of martial arts master. Putin versus Cruz would be like a celebrity boxing match I’d show up for. If we’re talking about fight to the death, then we’d better pick one of the Democrats because, look. They’re more happy murdering people than people on the right.

    BUCK: Speaking to Jesse Kelly, syndicated radio host, and apparently analyst of combatives and mixed martial arts on the side as well.

    KELLY: (laughing)

    BUCK: Jesse, how do you think we’re handling…? Sorry, I was gonna pivot back to a serious thing here for a second ’cause I’ve been worried all along that what’s gonna happen is in the early days of the conflict in Ukraine there would be everyone — well, not everybody, but a lot of people — would say, “Oh, you’re right. This is not our fight.

    “We’ve been through too many wars already,” and then the videos would come out and then the pounding of the cities would occur with artillery and rockets, and now it sounds… You got Zelensky going around to Canada, to their Parliament and tomorrow speaking to the U.S. Congress, State Department saying:

    “We want a no-fly zone, we want you guys in on this.” Are you confident that that’s not gonna happen? ‘Cause I’m starting to think that it’s just a matter of time before enough people say, “Oh, we have to do this,” without thinking about what “doing this” would really mean.

    KELLY: No, I’m not confident it’s not gonna happen because the tale wags the dog now constantly. We’ve become a society — well, the world is, not just America. We’ve become a society that, honestly, it’s run by social media. And people can say, “Well, most people aren’t on Twitter,” and that’s true. Yeah, but the people who make the decisions are on Twitter.

    And they live on Facebook and Instagram, and they do run foreign policy based on sad videos they see online. And that’s part of the reason we are so mixed up now is emotion governs everything. It doesn’t matter if you’re solid in the no no-fly zone camp right now. One video comes out tonight… It could happen 15 minutes from now; it could happen while we’re sitting here talking.

    One video comes out of some bombed-out kids’ hospital or orphanage and they haul some dead kid out in Ukraine and you’d have 70% to 80% of U.S. soccer moms in this country beating down their congressman’s door to go invade Ukraine. That’s just how we run now, and it’s a very, very dangerous place to be.

    And, back to what we talked about in the beginning, the stopgap for that is the doddering old fool currently masquerading as president of the United States. So he’s not gonna be able to withstand that kind of pressure if it comes down on him. Doesn’t have the strength for it.

    CLAY: It is amazing you mentioned that, Jesse, because — and Buck and I were talking about this off the air, too — the number of people that are willing to withstand 24 hours of bad news in order to make the right decision is almost nonexistent. Everybody is so afraid of that social media mob coming after them. And I think you can draw a direct analogy.

    Look, the George Floyd incident and its aftermath, we decided to have a legitimate debate in this country, we really did, over defund the police. Black Lives Matter basically became a sainted organization that had every major company in America genuflecting at their altar, and the natural result of that — and now people don’t even want to acknowledge it — was thousands of people died who would otherwise be alive of violent crime, because we took away police officers and their ability to implement the actual law and protect people. How do we get back to not allowing emotion on social media to dictate every response, or are we so far gone it’s impossible to hope that that could ever reverse itself?

    KELLY: I actually… I’m known as a pessimist or maybe a bit of a cynic. I do have a hopeful take on that, Clay, ’cause everything you just said is correct. However, on a macro level, I think we have to acknowledge that social media is still fairly new, and so what we’re having a hard time doing as a society… Whole countries are having a hard time doing this.

    We’re having a hard time adjusting to something I call the nuclear news cycle where the bad part about where we live now because of social media is it burns really, really, really hot, for 24 hours — and I’ve been under so many of these, more than I can possibly count. For 24 hours, it’s not just your enemies coming for you. Your mom read about it on Facebook.

    “Oh, no, your sister saw something on Twitter! Did you hear what they’re saying?” Everyone. It’s your friends who are coming at you for a 24-hour it period you feel like the entire world is coming down on you. But there’s a good side to that: It only lasts 24 hours. Because there’s always a new story, always a new scandal. People just breeze right along from gigantic stories like they’re nothing.

    If you can just withstand 24 hours, keep your head down, shut your freaking mouth, you’ll end up being fine. And I think societies haven’t adjusted that way yet. CEOs haven’t, politicians haven’t, regular people have not. We’ve not adjusted to the nuclear news cycle. But it is so new. I think we need time to adjust.

    BUCK: Jesse, you probably have seen there is a lot of, whether it’s members of Congress — Democrats, obviously, although I think one or two Republicans actually as well, although they’re the Republicans who spend all their time bashing Republicans — referring to people that are trying to look at all aspects of either U.S. intervention or what led up to the invasion of Ukraine and throwing the word “treason” around.

    Notably you have sitting senators saying Tucker Carlson’s guilty of treason. You had the idiots on The View saying that he should be investigated by the Department of Justice, which I think we have to take somewhat seriously insofar as the Biden regime will tell social media companies to shut people down for their “wrongthink.” So what are we to make of the fact that people who are now opposing military intervention in a country in which we are not at war and do not have a critical national security interest are being called traitors by the apparatus?

    KELLY: Well, we’re to make of it that they’re telling us how they really feel. This is not… (laughs) Sometimes I get frustrated with people on the right because they still want to live in this pie-in-the-sky world where, “We can have a disagreement between the right and the left, and let’s sit down and have a discussion.” No, no, no, no, no, no, no. That’s 20 years ago.

    The people on the left in this country are happy to have you dead right now. They’re happy to have you arrested. An uncomfortably high percentage of your fellow Americans would happily have you thrown in jail or shot for what you believe. I know people don’t want to talk about that. They don’t want to acknowledge that. That makes people uncomfortable. Why do you think the mask slips so often?

    How often do you see a major media figure, let alone just the normal Joe on Facebook…? How often do you see a major media figure or political figure either celebrate the death of someone on the right or wish for the death or wish for their arrest? It’s all the time. It’s all the time, because that’s how they think! They’re not liberals now. They are full-blown communists, and communists believe in murdering as many people as they have to to accomplish their goals.

    It is a sick, evil religion of destruction, and that that is hard for people to accept, ’cause you don’t want to look at your neighbor across the street that way. But if your neighbor across the street has a Biden sign in the yard and go green this and all that other stuff, I got news for you. Your neighbor across the street would turn you in to the DOJ to have you thrown in a dark hole without a moment of hesitation. That’s reality!

    CLAY: We’re talking to Jesse Kelly. After that dark analogy, I’ve got a positive story here to close with, Jesse.

    KELLY: Uh-huh?

    CLAY: Your boy, Buck, my cohost here, has just filled out his first NCAA tournament bracket, ever.

    KELLY: (laughing)

    CLAY: Now, we were having dinner down in Houston when I told you this and you were in as much disbelief as I was — and, by the way, a couple other people who also work on the show had never filled out a bracket.


    KELLY: (laughing)

    CLAY: This blew my mind. Does this blow your mind as much as it does mine?

    KELLY: I don’t honestly… We tried to pick Buck’s brain about it that night when we were sitting down for dinner. I still didn’t get a good explanation how that’s possible. That is something that… Buck has been CIA, he’s been around the block, he’s been around the world. No one ever handed you a bracket, Buck, and said fill it out?

    CLAY: They didn’t have a CIA bracket challenge like this was never one in the office, like nobody was doing this? Was it not involved?

    BUCK: It involved which countries were gonna have governments that fell. You know, there was no…

    CLAY: (laughing)

    KELLY: (laughing)

    BUCK: There was no sports.

    CLAY: He picked Villanova, by the way, Jesse. Have you done a bracket? Do your kids do a bracket? I’ve got my kids filling them out. We have a family bracket challenge. You guys do this?

    KELLY: We have a family bracket challenge, and on the line is somebody gets to pick all the entertainment options for that night which whoever in the family wins gets to pick the entertainment options, and I have a son who loves the worst board games in the world. We’re all just praying he doesn’t win, otherwise we’re toast.

    CLAY: What is the worst board game in the world?

    KELLY: There’s a Jaws board game. I can’t explain it on the radio.

    CLAY: Jaws! (laughing)

    KELLY: It’s the most atrocious, complicated thing. So you could say Jaws or you could say a classic like Monopoly or Risk. We play those all the time as a family, but they always end in a family fight. Every time.

    CLAY: They also never end.

    KELLY: Oh, they never end and when they finally end everyone hates each other. So those are probably the top ones.

    CLAY: Outstanding stuff, Jesse Kelly, his show 6 to 9 p.m. on many of these same Premier stations. Appreciate you, my man.

    KELLY: Be good, boys.

    BUCK: Thanks, Jesse.

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