Miranda Devine Tells Us She Thinks Hunter Will Be Indicted

21 Mar 2022

CLAY: We bring in now Miranda Devine, New York Post writer, author of Laptop from Hell: Hunter Biden, Big Tech, and the Dirty Secrets the President Tried to Hide. Miranda, our audience already had seen enough to believe that the laptop was authentic. Did you take any…? Thanks for joining us, by the way.

Did you take any validation in the New York Times, after 17 or 18 months, finally acknowledging that the laptop was real, buried down in their article about Hunter Biden paying off his $1 million tax bill, or were you just still angry that we’re even in the position where the New York Times is allowed to validate anything?

DEVINE: Well, look, it’s no vindication, I have to say, for anyone at the New York Post, for your listeners, for my readers. Everybody knew that this was a legitimate laptop. We never would have published those emails back three weeks before the 2020 election if we hadn’t done our due diligence. So this is only news to the readers of the New York Times and I guess CNN viewers and MSNBC viewers and that half of the population that chooses to read and view left-wing organs.

But I feel sorry for New York Times readers that they were kept in the dark for all this time. I guess it’s a bit of a shock now for them. (chuckling) I guess they’re scrambling to try and figure out what’s going on. They were told that the laptop was “Russian disinformation.” Joe Biden told us that. Joe Biden told them during, told all of us during the election campaign that he knew nothing about Hunter Biden’s business dealings. He had never met any of his overseas business partners, and that was all a lie.

BUCK: Miranda, it’s Buck. I want to know… It’s important that everyone understands, it’s not that there’s some new reporting that’s come to light from the New York Times and others. They were just telling us what you and others had known for a long time, which is that this was true and real. What do you think, though? There was such a concerted suppression campaign here from the very heights of Democrat-aligned journalism.

What was the part of the story, when it comes to Hunter Biden, that was the most damaging or they were the most worried about? Because there’s the personal stuff. Hunter in the photos and the drug addict and being a mess. Then there’s all that Ukraine and Burisma and China raising funds and “10% for the Big Guy.” What was the part of it that they were the most worried about?

DEVINE: Look, they don’t care about the Hunter Biden personal depravity and peccadillos. In fact, they’re encouraging people to talk about that. Hunter wrote his memoir, Beautiful Things all about his crack habit. And Joe Biden talked about his son’s drug addiction. That’s what they want you to focus on, and then they can say, “He’s a private individual. We didn’t vote for Hunter Biden to be president.”

That is just a distraction mechanism, because the laptop and Tony Bobulinski’s corroborating material and testimony is not about Hunter Biden. It’s essentially about Joe Biden. Joe Biden was orchestrating — abusing his power, as vice president for eight years — to enrich his family and himself, to get tens of millions of dollars from countries like China and Russia and Ukraine, just to name a few, that are in the news at the moment for obvious reasons, and that are our most serious adversaries.

And this puts the president of the United States in a compromising position. And the fact that he’s not told the truth about it, the fact that people like Adam Schiff, Democrats and their media allies and Big Tech allies have gone to such lengths to cover up the story, to traduce the reporting, to call us agents of the Kremlin. Anybody who tries to talk about this truth, this very important issue of national security, is just dismissed as a right-wing nut job pedaling Russian disinformation.

And chief among those critics were the 51. I call them the Dirty 51, these are the former high-ranking intelligence officials such as former CIA director under Barack Obama, John Brennan, James Clapper, Leon Panetta, Michael Hayden, you name them. They all came out with that list before the 2020 election just five days after our story ran, claiming that it was all Russian disinformation.

Of course, it had weasel words in it, which they’re trying to use now and say, no, that’s not really what they said. No, that’s exactly what they wanted everybody to get the impression, to take away, and it is exactly what Joe Biden did when he stood up at the debate against Donald Trump a couple of days after that letter came out and declared that it was a Russian plant, the laptop was a Russian plant, that our story was a bunch of garbage, so said these really esteemed intelligence people.

CLAY: Miranda, we had an interesting discussion to start the show about why now. Why is the New York Times…? After basically buying into the lie that this was Russian disinformation and not covering it, why are they now, even though they buried it…? I’m still old school, Miranda, and read the actual newspaper.

DEVINE: (chuckles)

CLAY: They buried it like 20 pages back into the physical front section of the newspaper. Why do you think the story came out now?

DEVINE: Two reasons. One is, there still are some legitimate journalists at the New York Times, believe it or not. There were people there who knew, who had talked to Tony Bobulinski last year. They knew the laptop was real, and I think there must have been some sort of internal friction. But the reason for this particular story was not to backtrack on their previous rejection of the laptop. Their admission that the laptop was real came in paragraph 24.

The real story was basically rehearsing a defense for Hunter Biden of these upcoming expected indictments from the U.S. Attorney in Delaware. And he’s been investigated, well, since at least 2018. The New York Times says it was previous to that. But we know since 2018 he’s been investigated for alleged tax evasion, money laundering and violation of the Foreign Agents Registration Act.

These are serious criminal charges if they were to be brought, and Trump was fully destroyed really by the Farah allegations. Paul Manafort spent time in jail, and there’s others in the Trump orbit who have had these issues. That was a never-used or very little-used law before. Now it’s become a big deal since the Trump era.

It would be very ironic if it ended up being used against Hunter Biden. So they’re obviously sweating. We haven’t seen much of Hunter Biden in recent weeks, and the grand jury there in Delaware has been subpoenaing his bank records. They’ve had… His baby momma went and testified to them for several hours last week. Lunden Roberts, the Arkansas former stripper who was the mother of his now 4-year-old daughter, that she had to go to court to prove paternity of, and her lawyer has handed over a whole cache of documents, financial documents, to the grand jury.

And reading between the lines of the New York Times, it seems that the grand jury has actually been using at least some emails that were on the laptop, if not the entire laptop. And we know the FBI has had the laptop, Hunter Biden’s laptop, since December 2019, when John Paul MacIsaac, the owner of that MacBook repair shop, handed it over to them. That’s only one of three laptops that we know of that Hunter lost.

CLAY: Miranda, Buck and I were discussing in the first hour — and I’m glad you went through that issue; we also have Durham probe going on — I think Hunter is going to be indicted for some charges. Buck took the other side. We have a steak bet on it. If you had to project, do you like my argument that he will be indicted for some charges or Buck’s argument that he will not? Which side do you think is more likely?

DEVINE: I think he probably will be for two reasons. One is that Lunden Roberts’ lawyer is certain that he will be, and another is because in this sort of rehearsal of his defense through the New York Times, I’ve talked to seasoned tax lawyers about this, and they say these are not excuses. I mean, saying that you paid a million dollars-worth of overdue tax after an investigation started does not get you out of the trouble.

And similarly, retroactively applying for foreign registration. I don’t know why he would be allowed to do that, and the others wouldn’t be allowed to do that. So there’s ample evidence on the laptop — also, the Chuck Grassley/Ron Johnson Senate investigation where they have the money trail, documents I wouldn’t have been able to access.

But this is from the Treasury Department and their suspicious activity report that banks have to file. There were a lot of those to do with all the money coming in — tens of millions of dollars coming in –to bank accounts associated with Hunter Biden, his uncle Jim Biden, Joe’s younger brother, and their partners. The crucial thing to remember also is that Joe Biden can’t pretend that he knows nothing about his family, this influence-pedaling scheme, because he lied about meeting Hunter’s business partners.

He met several of them. He met Chinese business partners. He met Russians, he met Khazakhstanis, he met Mexicans. He met them in Beijing and Washington, D.C., invited them to his own home. He brought them on to Air Force Two. So he’s intimately involved. And not only that, there is evidence on the laptop — not a lot, but there is some evidence on the laptop — that he financially benefited from Hunter’s business dealings overseas.

And that is both commingled bank finances, shared debit cards, shared bank accounts. And also Hunter was paying some of Joe’s household bills. Maintenance and upkeep on one of his Delaware mansions, an AT&T phone bill every month. So that shows that Hunter Biden also, when he complained bitterly to family members that he had to give so much money to support the rest of the family, and at one point he said, “I have to give half my salary to Pop,” which is Joe Biden. So there’s a lot of evidence there, and you wonder if Joe Biden paid tax on that money that he received.

CLAY: Miranda Devine, author of Laptop from Hell and editorialist over at the New York Post. Miranda, thanks so much.

DEVINE: Pleasure. Great to talk to you both.

CLAY: Buck, are you getting’ nervous?

BUCK: Not at all, man.

CLAY: You can be honest! She took my side there. It’s gonna be a great steak.

BUCK: She’s looking at it, in my opinion, from the perspective of what should happen based on the evidence in a country where the evidence makes prosecutorial decisions. I’m looking at it from the prism of he’s the sitting president’s son. The Democrats run the legal apparatus like they do the media in many ways, and David Weiss — the U.S. attorney for Delaware?

Does he want to see his life destroyed? Does he want to see…? That’s how the Democrats play. They’re like a Mafia play. That’s how they play. They play rough. Clay, will he pay a fine and maybe an admission? But criminal indictment? That’s the real question. Is he criminally indicted with something that would seek to send him to prison? No way. No way. No one will do it. They won’t do it.

CLAY: That steak is going to melt on my tongue like butter!

BUCK: We’ll see, buddy. Do we have to put an end date of this? Like end of this year? We have to have a statute of limitations on the bet here.

CLAY: I think it’s only one year, because my thought is that they will not necessarily want to bring the charges right before the midterm, because then it seems politically motivated, even though Biden is not on the ticket himself. So I think they’ll have to do it soon — meaning in the next month or two — or they’ll do it next year, after the midterm’s have already happened.

BUCK: It will be a bold move to indict the sitting president’s son. But let me ask you this. We don’t have to bet on this. But does Joe Biden pardon him right away?

CLAY: He’ll pardon him if he’s not running for re-election. I don’t think he would do it right away because I think the positive would be if you’re Biden, Hunter Biden, these kind of things take years. And I don’t think Joe Biden’s going to run increasingly in 2024. So I think on his way out the door, yes, he could pardon his son.

BUCK: It would be amazing. Almost everybody would have gotten away with Russia collusion and all the lies and all those machinations. And the guy that gets caught would be not for that but something else from the Democrat camp, would be Hunter Biden. Hmm.

CLAY: The wild thing is everything that the Democrats have been alleging against Trump in their fevered dreams, Biden’s family did it. That’s the crazy thing. And they’re not even willing to cover it even though it’s happening right in front of their faces.

BUCK: A fine would be a push? Is that what you would call it if he just pays a fine?

CLAY: Charges. He doesn’t have to be convicted if the charges come down.

BUCK: The criminal charges, not civil charges?

CLAY: Yes, criminal charges.

BUCK: All right, fine.

CLAY: It’s going to be great. Going to melt like butter. He’s going to get charged.

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Babylon Bee’s Seth Dillon on Why Twitter Locked Account

21 Mar 2022

CLAY: Right now, the Babylon Bee is locked out of its Twitter account over I believe it was a joke surrounding the HHS commissioner of some level in the Biden administration that may have also involved Lia Thomas. I’m not sure exactly. Let’s bring in Seth and find out what the latest is there. Seth, what was the joke, what was the headline? You guys do fantastic work. And what is Twitter doing? Kind of fill in our audience.

DILLON: Great question. First of all, thanks for having me on. I appreciate it.

BUCK: Thanks for being with us.

DILLON: Yes, Rachel Levine was named one of the Women of the Year by USA Today.

CLAY: Yes.

DILLON: And we did a satirical take on that where we actually selected Rachel Levine as our pick for Man of the Year. And Twitter didn’t like that very much. That ran afoul of their hateful conduct policy, where we misgendered somebody and targeted an individual for “misgendering.” So they flagged that post and told us that we can only unlock our account if we delete that post, and basically what they’re saying is we go through this form — we have to fill out this form — and acknowledge that we did in fact violate the hateful conduct policy and take down the tweet. Otherwise, our account remains blocked.

BUCK: Seth, what’s your position on this right now? A lot of people I know in the past have just said, “Oh, fine. I’ll delete the offending tweet.” Are you taking a hard line one way or the other on this?

DILLON: Well, we feel kind of obligated to. There’s a situation here where we have to make a choice. We have to choose between, like, keeping this platform and the audience we’re connected to through this platform or standing by our principles, and it’s a situation where they want us to basically affirm something that we don’t affirm — or deny something that we want to affirm, that a man is a man.

And so in order to do that, to delete the tweet ourselves? Twitter… This is the thing, Twitter could delete this tweet if they want to, because they don’t want it on their platform. Why are they making us do it? This is about submission. It’s about ideological conformity. It’s about forcing us, compelling us to go along with their definitions and their understanding of reality. And we disagree with that. And so there’s kind of like this, how could we in good conscience delete this thing? We had an internal discussion and decided we couldn’t.

BUCK: Seth, I’m also curious, does a human being from Twitter engage with you on this? Is there a rep you can call or someone you can talk to to try to appeal this, or is it just all kind of form email and messages saying this is the deal?

DILLON: Well, initially, when they notify you of these things, it’s an automated email that goes out. Whether a human actually reviews this before that email was triggered or not, I have no idea. We haven’t been contacted by Twitter yet up to this point. There’s now a lot of media attention on this, as you’re aware.

We were trending throughout most of the day this morning on Twitter. So we may yet get contacted by them. We’re seeking out contacts over there to talk to somebody over there. But they do have an appeal process that we can try to go through, which we’ll pursue. We don’t hold out high hopes for that to work out in our favor.

CLAY: Seth, I ran a media company, as you know, at OutKick for a while. I know how valuable referral traffic can be from social media accounts. So whenever these companies — whether it’s Twitter, Facebook, Instagram, whoever it might be — takes action against individual content providers like the Babylon Bee or OutKick, that has a significant impact in terms of the revenue and site traffic that can be generated. What does Twitter shutting down, effectively, the Babylon Bee’s account do to your ability to monetize your content?

DILLON: Man, it’s huge. It’s hard to overstate it. Twitter is not our top traffic refer. But it’s one of them. We’ve long since been… We’ve driven more traffic through Facebook than we do through Twitter. It’s just more geared towards that. People tend to stay on Twitter more and retweet things, and then click through to the links that you’ve posted there.

But you’re part of the conversation when you’re on Twitter. This is where public discourse happens. This is where all the people who will never migrate to Parler and Gettr and alternative platforms — Gab and the like — they’re staying on Twitter. That’s where the conversation is. That’s where a lot of these government officials are. Probably all the government officials at this point are on Twitter.

So public discourse is taking place there. When you are removed from that, you’re ostracized and removed from the discussions that matter. It’s very costly. Even beyond traffic, it’s costly in terms of… We have, for example, Elon Musk is a fan of ours and he engages with our content regularly.

He’s not on the alternative platforms. He’s on Twitter. So if we’re not on Twitter anymore, we are no longer being engaged with and in front of prominent people with large followings. So the damage that it does, not just to our traffic itself but just our brand and being relevant, it’s huge. Big cost.

CLAY: First of all, I admire you for standing on principle because I think you’re right here, and Twitter does need to be held accountable for its arbitrary and capricious rules as it applies to them.

DILLON: Yeah.

CLAY: How long are you prepared to continue this battle? We talk with Alex Berenson all the time; Twitter kicked him off. You aren’t officially kicked off, certainly. But if you don’t delete this tweet, it’s a de facto kicking off, right, of your brand. How long could this go on, from your perspective?

DILLON: Well, that’s a good question. We feel pretty committed to not deleting the tweet. So we’re kind of at this impasse. We’re just staring each other down right now. Let’s see how Twitter responds. We’ll see how the appeal goes. Of course, we’re bringing a lot of media spotlight to this. I’ll be on Tucker Carlson tonight talking about it.

The thing that’s important to us is that we generate enough support from our readers. We have lots of loyal readers. We have a large email list. We’re appealing to them to subscribe and support us, because this could be a long fight. This could draw out for years. I don’t know when we’ll be…

There may come a time where the law changes or the Supreme Court weighs in on this and Twitter is compelled to let us back on the platform. I don’t know. But I’m not calling for any kind of government regulatory scheme or anything. I’m just saying it could go on for a long time. So we do need support from our readers to carry us through.

BUCK: Yeah, Seth, we wanted to ask about that, exactly. Because, look, I make no secret of this. I think you guys do hilarious work on a regular basis. You guys do great stuff over at the Babylon Bee that is really helpful. As conservative commentators, I feel there’s so little comedy out there. So when we find people who do it well and do real comedy, real parody, real satire, we want to support it. And you guys at the Bee — guys and gals — certainly do that. Where can folks go and how do people make sure they see some of the brilliant stuff you put out there, even if, say, Twitter holds firm?

DILLON: Hmm. I think the best way… None of these social platforms allow you to own the relationship. You don’t have an actual relationship with them where you take them with you wherever you go. I would say the best thing to do is get on the email list. If you’re not able to be a paid subscriber, the next best thing, get on the email list.

And then we have direct communication with you outside of the algorithms and the Big Tech centers who are trying to limit what you can see and what you can say. So I would encourage everyone to do that. You can join on our website or even on our Twitter page, which is still up. It’s not been taken down. We just can’t tweet there. We have a link to sign up to the newsletter right there at the top of the page.

CLAY: Here’s our request, because I’m going to help you guys as best I can, and you guys have a lot of great stories and headlines. When you know you have one that I would love that I might not otherwise see, text it to me and I will share it with my audience to help continue to spread the word of your brand.

Because I know how incredibly frustrating it is when that firehose effect that you get from your social media accounts, they suddenly turn it off because of something that you’ve said that they disagree with. It happened all the time to us at OutKick and it happens to a lot of people out there who are fighting the good fight on a day-to-day basis.

DILLON: Amen. I appreciate that offer. I will take you up on that. We do need more sportswriters who can do comedy from the perspective of looking at and satirizing and doing parody of the sports world. But I’ll take you up on that and I appreciate your support. We really need it.

BUCK: That’s Dillon of the Babylon Bee, making good jokes and fighting the good fight for free speech. Thanks so much, Seth. We appreciate it.

DILLON: Thank you.

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Canada Poll: The Vaxxed Want Ukraine Intervention

21 Mar 2022

BUCK: We’ll talk to you about the latest in Ukraine and U.S. involvement, Western involvement. What are we going to do with our allies and how is this likely to continue? What’s going to be happening here in the days ahead? You have a Russian demand this morning for the surrender of Mariupol, which is a city on… It’s a port city, I believe on the Sea of Azov, which is connected to the Black Sea, and this would be a land bridge — if they were able to secure this — between two other important areas for the Russian invasion here in Eastern Ukraine.

It would connect, effectively, the Donbas region to Crimea. It would be a connecting city between those two areas. It would also effectively block and bar Ukraine from water access, or come pretty close to it. The Ukrainian government has said, no. They will not concede the city of Mariupol on the Sea of Azov, to Russian forces, even though they’re getting pounded with missiles. The Russian assault continues on.

Now, we try to focus on what this means for us here at home as much as possible and take an America-first perspective on our foreign policy in general. This was fascinating to me. This, I thought, wasn’t surprising, but it was worth noting to all of you. I understand it’s data for Canada. I would love to see — and my guess is you probably will see — similar polling here in the states.

But this was done through the Toronto Star and some polling agency. I think it’s EKOS. “How Should Canada Respond to the Ukraine Invasion?” They break it down by vaccinated versus unvaccinated, and this is for respondents… The “vaccinated,” mind you, is three or more shots. So, Clay, I wouldn’t count. If you just get one J&J shot, I think you’re considered unvaccinated now.

For the vaccinated folks, you’re unvaxxed if you just got the J&J. Let me throw some numbers at you, Clay, because this is pretty clear what we see happening here. “Imposing tougher economic sanctions on Russia,” the vaccinated, 86% say, yes. “Seizing assets of oligarchs,” 85% of vaccinated, yes. “Cut off oil shipments from Russia,” 81%.

“Sending additional military equipment,” 82%. “Providing Ukraine with fighter jets,” 52%. “Dispatching military forces to Ukraine,” 30%. On the other side you have the unvaccinated respondents: “Imposing tougher economic sanctions on Russia,” 13%; “seizing assets of Russian oligarchs,” 13%; “Cutting off shipments from Russia,” 21%; “Dispatching military forces to Ukraine,” 11%.

Now, this isn’t a perfect snapshot of a very complicated issue. But it does seem to indicate, Clay, for people who are willing to listen to the machinery of state media and the apparatus, there’s a correlation between, “I will double mask; I will get eight shots if I’m told,” and, “We need to do everything including send troops into Ukraine to stop this invasion, because that’s what our media is telling us needs to happen right now,” or that we at least have some moral obligation to do more.

CLAY: Yeah, and this to me is part and parcel of the bigger picture here, Buck, which is not being able to analyze risk rationally, because there’s a great story out in the Wall Street Journal today where they break down everything surrounding the idea of kids ages 5 to 11 getting vaccinated. And basically, the data doesn’t support it at all. But this idea of the fear of covid — what I’ve called for a long time the fear porn — is so all-encompassing, that they’re unable to analyze it.

And I feel like this is the same way. An emotional response to Ukraine is, in some way, justifying what is an irrational risk. In other words, your own individual risk from covid, you are wildly overrating. The world’s risk of nuclear war, you are radically underrating. And ultimately what it to me reflects is a failure of your own risk analysis to make rational decisions, probably because you’re being overrun by emotion as opposed to logic.

BUCK: There’s even a correlation. Now the no-fly zone, that is the most extreme military measure from the U.S. and Canadian side that people have been talking about in a serious way. You’re not hearing people say, “We should land the Marines and send in 82nd Airborne,” but no-fly zone, they’ve talked about.

There’s a correlation here, a causal correlation here. The more vaccines that one has received correlates with more extreme positions for intervention in Ukraine. So if you’ve received three or more doses, so you’re boosted, maybe boosted-plus, 59% on this poll say a no-fly zone is a good idea. Two doses, only 34%. Vaccine refusers, 18%.

CLAY: Do you buy into this analysis, Buck, that it’s emotion-based decision-making almost entirely? And emotion oftentimes… Everybody out there listening to us knows, you make a lot better decisions very often if you’re emotional about a subject if you sleep on it, right? Give yourself a little bit of time to think on it as opposed to initially reacting as your emotions might dictate. I always like to use as an example in the world of politics, Abraham Lincoln would handwrite…

Every time he got furious he’d handwrite letters explaining exactly why he was furious. He would put it in his desk drawer in the White House and wait for a day to decide whether or not to send it. He said most of the time he never sent the letters. I love the quote from Benjamin Franklin: “Passion governs and she never governs wisely.” In the social media age, we allow emotion to dictate almost every American policy action, it feels like now.

BUCK: Yes. People take positions now that the government — and in the case of Canada, it’s truly state media, which I think is interesting. In our country, it’s de facto state media. I’m not just even talking NPR. You see the relationship between the legacy corporate media and the Democrat Party and the Biden administration and how cozy and colluding it all is.

When you have 95% of news and journalism supporting one political party, you might as well have state media, because that’s what you’re up against. The people that want to go along with this generally, I find, are those who want to be a part of the herd and they also want the validation from the information and political machinery around them of they’re a good person.

More than anything else, I believe that; I want to get the shots because I’m a good person. So I’ll get three shots. I’ll get five shots. I’ll again ten shots. It doesn’t matter what the data actually says or what I observe about the efficacy of the vaccine to stop the spread; I do it because I’m a good person. And the same kind of thinking is reflected, I think, in the no-fly zone support where people say, “We should have a no-fly zone, and it’s because what they’re doing is so terrible.

“The Russians are so awful. Putin is a monster! It doesn’t matter if it means we have U.S. planes shot down, that there would be U.S. soldiers put in harm’s way, that perhaps there would be open war with Russia. It makes me feel good to hold the position.” And that is the way that I think a lot of decision-making goes these days in politics. It is also very much pushed by social media, and it’s who controls the information flow. We see who gets to ban people for saying “a man is a man.” It’s not Republicans. It’s not conservatives who get to do that.

CLAY: And also, I would say, Buck, as our world is accelerating, it’s easier to judge by what occurs on social media. And sometimes that can lead to awful decisions. (chuckling) And from a humor perspective, we talked about the NCAA tournament going on, Rex Chapman, who is a far left-wing loon, is now a part of the NCAA tournament coverage and he’s awful at it.

And the reason why he got that job is because Turner executives and CNN executives liked the fact that he was sharing left-wing tweets all the time. And so this Ukraine strategy is driven by the same strategy that motivated BLM, that motivated the idea that you have to go get your covid shot. By the way, Buck, coming out of the weekend in Ukraine, are you even more confident that we are headed towards a negotiated settlement and that the likelihood here is that Russia is going to get a substantial piece of Ukraine in order to end this war?

BUCK: From week two, maybe even week one of this fight, I’ve been saying Russia is going to seize… They’re going to consolidate in the east. They’re going to consolidate Crimea and connect them and decide that they get. By the way, where some of the pockets of Russian, primarily Russian-speaking Ukrainians live, and they’re going to say, “This is now Russian Federation territory or Russian Federation protectorate.”

This is how this thing ends. Even with a no-fly zone, which would be crazy, this thing doesn’t end with Ukraine booting out the evil Russian invaders and taking back all their lost territory. That’s just not realistic. So now it’s how quickly. Right now on CNN, the headline is “Zelensky open to Putin talks but warns of World War III if they fail.” I would like it if the guy would stop talking about World War III.

I’ll just put it out there. It’s not just World War III. It’s a war between Russia and Ukraine and there are international actors trying to help to bring it to resolve it. But we all know World War I and World War II, those were different conflicts of a different scale, and I wish he would stop saying… He even said we’re already in World War III in one of his speeches last week. He needs to calm it down a little bit. It’s not helpful at this moment.

CLAY: I also wonder as I’m watching him, Buck, to what extent is Russia still trying to kill him. Because I think that’s the one that could really throw things for an emotional wrench here. The reason I bring that up is because so much of the world right now defines Ukraine through Zelensky. And if he is killed and murdered by Russia, I think that’s going to put things on a different emotional pivot, because he’s the personification of this war.

And the people who are responding emotionally are going to respond even more emotionally to his death, if it ends up happening. I think it would be the worst thing that could happen, not only certainly for that death, but just in terms of the acceleration.

BUCK: I think the Russians and Putin would view this first through the lens of, “Does it make more likely that we get a settlement that we, meaning the Russian Federation, wants, if this guy is alive or dead?” If it’s easier if he’s alive… Because I keep saying this: Once the bullets stop and there’s some kind of ceasefire, negotiated agreement, Russian oil, all this stuff will be…

Within six months, maybe sooner, people are going to say, “Yeah, Russia is bad but we have to do business with them,” and Putin knows that. That’s what’s going to happen. So is it easier to get to that state with or without Zelensky? I think in Putin’s calculation — which, I don’t know how he views that, but I think that’s what governs how much they’re trying to specifically go after Zelensky to take him out as a target or not. If taking him out means this thing ends faster, Putin would do it in a heartbeat.

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Mr. Kid Rock Declares Himself “Uncancelable”

21 Mar 2022

BUCK: Mr. Kid Rock is an exceptional rocker and also just all around great American, from what I understand. And he is very clear by the fact that while we’re sitting here talking about the Babylon Bee having its Twitter account locked — and I’ve been hit with fact-checks by PolitiFact and all this. And they’re always wrong when they do this, by the way. It’s like they’ never actually are on the side of, never mind the angels, on the side of free speech, truth, you name it.

They’re always in the wrong when they do this stuff. They pick these fights, Big Tech. If the Big Tech people making the decision don’t go along with this, they will have insane 25- to 35-year-olds who are protesting outside their offices and, like (impression), “You’re literally killing me by, like, not doing what I want.” They lose their minds. They watched too much MSNBC and Comedy Central and all the rest of it. Here is Kid Rock just letting everybody know, sometimes you can’t cancel people like him.

The legendary Kid Rock sits down with Tucker for a rare one-on-one interview. And nothing is off the table. You’ll see part of the fascinating discussion Monday on Tucker Carlson Tonight at 8pm ET on Fox News. pic.twitter.com/5ZU9rIb5Vj

— Tucker Carlson (@TuckerCarlson) March 19, 2022

BUCK: I love hearing this, Clay. This is what we need. People… Even irrespective of their specific politics, people listening to this will write in. They’ll say, “If I speak out, I’ll lose my job.” Look, if you’re the junior accountant at XYZ Corporation, I don’t want you getting fired from your job and not able to pay your bills and have your wife or your husband all stressed out because you want to post something political. Okay? You’ve got to have… I would say, as far a machine gun nest; don’t just run up the hill. If you’re Kid Rock and — in this analogy — essentially bulletproof, there are people like that. They’re in charge of, “I’m not going to play this game anymore.”

CLAY: That’s what’s so frustrating to me about cancel culture in general is people already have enough resources — and I put myself in this category now. First of all, I don’t think that I could be easily canceled, right? But I have the resources to be able to say exactly what I think all day every day. And there are so many people out there in business, politics, entertainment that also have the resources to say exactly what they believe and they’re still afraid to do so.

And I’ve said this before, Buck, but if you don’t say F-U every now and then, what’s the point of having F-U money? It is a conversation that I’ve had with a lot of people who agree with much of what you or I might say, but they’re like, “Oh, I’m afraid of what might happen to me.” I say, “You’ve got $50 million in the bank. Why do you care? Your family will be fine!”

BUCK: You don’t even have to say anything crazy.

CLAY: It doesn’t even have to be crazy, yeah!

BUCK: You just have to say, “A man is a man.”

CLAY: Yeah.

BUCK: There are things you could say that would get you in trouble. No one is asking someone… You don’t have to be some free speech radical who is out there on the… Our most basic, fundamental right you have as a human being, never mind as an American, to say what is observable fact and true without reprisal against you from society around you is something that is under assault right now.

CLAY: Yes.

BUCK: They are attacking fundamental obvious truth and telling people to bend the knee over it. That’s what I… I wish we could sit here say, “Why can’t we all just say whatever?” No, that’s not it. “Say whatever” is now is “a man is a man.”

CLAY: What’s crazy, Buck, even saying women should not compete against men. Most sports writers are afraid to say it, because they are afraid they might lose their jobs. That’s the world that we’re in right now, and I understand that if you make $50,000 a year and you’ve got a couple of kids in school and you’re 58 years old and you’re trying to close out the rest of your career. I understand why you could be incredibly nervous about that.

But I mean the people who actually have real ability. Why does Stephen A. Smith, who is the most powerful person at ESPN…? Why won’t he go on his show and say, “You know what? I’m fine with people choosing their gender if they want to, but dudes shouldn’t be swimming against girls?” Because of how woke ESPN is. He’s got enough money to live on for the rest of his life. He’s being a coward. He won’t say it.

BUCK: People who are used to being celebrated by the elites and are used to making $20 million a year want that to continue even though they don’t really need it. It doesn’t make much difference to them one way or the other at a certain point. But it’s all ego at that level.

You want to be the guy or gal who is invited to the fancy cocktail parties where the people who are important and powerful and rich all get to sit around and determine that we’re not allowed to separate women from men in sports anymore. It’s crazy.

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Fauci Vows to Stay on Job, Threatens Return to Restrictions

21 Mar 2022

BUCK: Dr. Fauci almost two years ago to the day.

FAUCI: If we see a surge in cases, “we have to be prepared to pivot and perhaps reinstitute some of those restrictions.” pic.twitter.com/e2JMxGM3c2

— RNC Research (@RNCResearch) March 20, 2022

BUCK: Just kidding! That’s two days ago, because he says the same crap all the time, like nothing has changed, and he’s never ever going to let us out of the grip of his cold, little, tiny tyrannical fingers. (impression) “We may need to pivot again if there’s another surge.” He says he’s not going anywhere too, Clay. He’s promising us he’s staying around.

Fauci on COVID: “We are still in this. We have a way to go.” pic.twitter.com/B5E6xM5A1T

— RNC Research (@RNCResearch) March 20, 2022

BUCK: This guy has been so awful and so wrong and such an impediment to the truth, Clay, for such a long time now. But there will be a part of me, without Fauci, I don’t know. It won’t be the same to talk about the madness of the covid loons.

CLAY: I’ll be ecstatic when Fauci is gone for any reason because they’re just going to keep trotting him out. This is where it’s important on Fauci. I really believe that Democrats will try to bring back masks as soon as the midterms are over. This mask… Taking it off, your kid’s not having to wear it, you don’t have to wear it around the cities. Look at the seasonal data.

Every fall the number of covid cases are going to go up just like with the flu and they’re going to be able to hit the panic button and accede to the wishes of all the left-wing lunatics. And that’s basically what Fauci is letting them know. that’s why they let him out of the basement to go do this interview is, “Hey, I’ve got your back, we’re going to bring all of these restrictions back as soon as we possibly can.”

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Former USC Female Swimmer on Wannabe Woman Will Thomas

21 Mar 2022

CLAY: Seth Dillon, who runs the Babylon Bee — which is a great, funny satire site — they’ve been locked, their Twitter account has, over the fact that they criticized Penn’s transgender swimmer Lia Thomas, Will Thomas, as a male swimmer switches to Lia and becomes a female. I don’t even know at this point, Buck, the career of this swimmer is over.

But the report was that there was going to be an attempt to make the U.S. Women’s Olympic Team. So you finally had some athletes start to speak out against this. And we’ll see where that heads. But I’m curious what is going on with Seth Dillon and how long… What happens is if you put up a tweet that Twitter doesn’t like, that violates their rules, they demand that you delete it.

BUCK: What you just said, by the way, could get you banned from Twitter, you know that?

CLAY: Yes.

BUCK: Just saying “Will Thomas.”

CLAY: That’s a ban?

BUCK: They call this “dead naming” on the left, which is where you’re using a transperson’s former name from their previous gender, and that under Twitter terms of service, that alone… Even with Caitlyn Jenner. By the way, you can change your name, I’m fine with that, of course, but even noting someone’s previous name is called “dead naming.” You’re not allowed to do it.

CLAY: So saying Will Thomas was a swimmer, which is an accurate fact at the University of Pennsylvania, and was on the Penn men’s swimming team, and then made the decision to change his name to Lia Thomas and become a woman, that would get you banned from Twitter?

BUCK: You dead named, and I’m so angry I’m literally shaking right now.

CLAY: The dead naming concept is so ridiculous. But what is wild about this, Buck, in general is that you can’t tell the story of why this is a big deal without telling the story of Will Thomas being a male swimmer first. Because if Will Thomas had just been a regular dude at UPenn and decided to become a woman, he would never have been able to compete at a high level in women’s swimming, right? Probably.

BUCK: Yeah. The women swimmers at these schools would swim faster than you and me, for example, by a lot. (laughing) A lot.

CLAY: I’m an awful swimmer. I would lose by, like, minutes. So the idea that you can’t say the name “Will Thomas” makes telling the story of Lia Thomas and why it’s significant in the world of sports impossible.

BUCK: But isn’t that the point?

CLAY: Yes.

BUCK: You can’t tell the story the way you would tell it based on fact, Clay. You have to tell it in the way they insist you tell the story.

CLAY: It’s such a ridiculous policy to put in place, particularly in the world of athletics, where a man becoming a woman’s athlete is, frankly, the antithesis of all competition in general. I think we have a call that wants to weigh in on this.

BUCK: We have a D1 swimmer, an actual female D-I swimmer. Cindy in AZ — Arizona, also known as — thanks for calling in.

CALLER: Thanks for having me, guys. It’s wonderful to talk to you, and I’m so glad you’re speaking about this because not enough people are. I’m telling you. (chuckles) So I swam competitively through high school and college. And there was no way we could compete against the men’s team. We trained with them, but there’s no way we could be better than them. Just because of biology.

CLAY: Where did you swim, Cindy?

CALLER: I swam at USC, University of Southern California, a long time ago.

CLAY: But what would you think, if you were…? I know you’re taking yourself back in time. If when you were swimming suddenly a member of the USC men’s team had decided to become a women’s swimmer and had started, mediately became the best women’s swimmer on your team, how do you think the girls would react back then? And what do you think many of the girls are thinking now?

CALLER: We would have had none of it, none of it. We would have all stood up and fought for our rights as females — biological females, not wanna-be females. What people don’t know about swimming, in general, when you’re 10 and under, six, seven, eight, nine years old, the girls’ times to make state meets and what have you are faster, harder to make than the boys’ times.

But when we hit puberty, the rules change. Everything changes because those boys take on testosterone. They take on muscle bulk, way bigger and faster than the girls, and their times then start to get faster than the girls’ times. So it’s harder to make these meets. But when my daughter was swimming and she made state at nine years old.

And the little boy, his parents I sat next to, said, “Well, Eli just made it, too,” and I’m like, “What? He swam a second slower than my daughter did, their qualifying times.” I didn’t pay attention to boys’ qualifying times because I didn’t have a boy swimming. They were way easier back then. But once they hit puberty, all bets are off and everything changes.

CLAY: Lia Thomas, as she now calls herself, is 6’4″. How much difference would there be — leave aside the biology — just being that much bigger as a swimmer, longer arms, longer legs? That has a tremendous competitive advantage standing alone, even taking away the testosterone, right, which is partly becoming a reality because of biology?

CALLER: Right. Right! (laughing) Yeah, I’m six foot tall, and many of the female swimmers were also tall. But not 6’4″. I never swam with a woman that was 6’4″. I’m just so upset. And after the win in that 500 free, and nobody cheered for him. And they went all crazy for the second-place female, which is rightly so.

CLAY: Yes.

CALLER: But I’m just mind-boggled by the NCAA and them getting this so wrong. This call was so wrong. For us girls and females across the board, not just in swimming, but every sport. This is going to happen across the board, and something’s got to change. One year, three years of testosterone suppression does nothing.

BUCK: It doesn’t change. We know. Cindy, thank you so much for sharing your perspective. Appreciate you listening and calling in.

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Out-of-Touch Liberals Try to Spin Inflation

21 Mar 2022

SEN. BARRASSO: Joe Biden can’t hide from the fact that he’s the president of high gas prices. And they’re looking for anyone to blame, whether it’s Putin, whether it’s Republicans, whether it’s the energy companies, whether it’s covid. The Democrats have a very big problem with 40-year-high inflation, highest gas prices ever. When Joe Biden came into office, it was $2.38 a gallon for gasoline. American families paid a thousand dollars more, George, for energy last year than the year before. And on polling last week, 70% of Americans say more American oil and gas and less emphasis on climate.

BUCK: “Less emphasis on climate.” That’s Senator John Barrasso there. He gets it. That’s what has led to the otherwise inexplicably self-defeating and absurd policies around energy that the Democrats are always pushing, for which the only upside is the fight against the imagery war with CO2 that we’re supposed to be waging all the time. But it really hurts families. A thousand dollars in extra energy costs.

The all-time-high gas price in this country was hit last week. Gas prices are down, I think, down 7¢ from last week now, but still very high, which means all the products you buy are quite expensive, and the things that you need are going to be taking a bigger bite out of your budget. All across the country, this is reality. Now, there are two ways they’re going to go at this, because they recognize they’ve got a big problem going into the midterms.

When the economy is crappy and people are feeling the effects of high inflation — increasingly people are talking about “stagflation,” Clay, and maybe even a looming recession depending on what economic growth is this quarter. When that’s happening you don’t have a lot of folks excited to go vote for the party that’s in power that’s made a lot of bad decisions. So, what’s Elizabeth Warren offering on this? Well, this is actually a flashback to March 13th, she’s on MSNBC. You’ll hear more about this. “It’s those big greedy corporations.”

WARREN: Senator Whitehouse and I and others have introduced a windfall profits tax, that says if you’re out there price gouging, you’re going to have to give up a big chunk of your ill-gotten gains. That’s the best way I know to be able to push back against these oil companies.

BUCK: This isn’t like Democratic Western European socialism so much. It’s sort of like straight-up Venezuela Maduro socialism for Elizabeth Warren. Your greedy company, Clay, your greedy company, the profits are too high so we’re just going to take it from you.

CLAY: Again, how do you define what a windfall profit is? That is a massive difficulty that would be ripe for exploitation. Right? Let’s say these oil and gas companies are making more money. Again, I go back to the Democrats not really understanding how business works, because so much of what they say is, “They made this much money and they only pay this much tax.” The tax code is broken. Let’s say that. I’m a long-term believer. You and I are pretty smart people, right, in the grand scheme of things. I have no idea how to do my taxes at this point.

BUCK: I have none.

CLAY: Zero.

BUCK: Yeah.

CLAY: There are so many different moving parts. I give everything to my accountant, and I say, “Handle it. Let me know what I need to write a check for. Let me know if I am getting a refund.” I have no earthly idea. I guarantee you the vast majority of people out there who are in any way involved in owning a business or trying to run one, it’s broken.

So this idea of a windfall profits tax is broken at inception because our tax code really should be — and this is one of those things Steve Forbes got right back in the day. You should be able to pay your taxes by filing like a postcard, right? Everybody should understand what they’re paying. Everybody should pay, in my opinion — in an ideal world we would all pay — a flat tax. We would know exactly what we owe, there would be no complexity to it.

I have zero confidence in the Democratic Party which doesn’t understand basic business right now, being able to try to make the oil and gas industry better when the reason why we’re not producing as much oil and gas as we possibly could, Buck, is because they already have regulated us away from being able to do that. So now when you challenge these oil and gas companies, you’re going to further dis-incentivise them from producing more oil and gas! That’s actually what the impact of this would be.

BUCK: So you have the demonized the corporations, which is what you were just talking about, taking their windfall profits tax and all this stuff. That’s one option for the Democrats, because the “make things better economically, get out of the way, less regulation, push for fossil fuel energy production to be an absolute maximum in this country,” Democrats ain’t going to do that. That’s not going to happen.

So they’re looking at going into a midterm with a weak economy and people upset understandably about it. On the one hand, Clay, they have the class warfare angle, which Elizabeth Warren — multimillionaire Elizabeth Warren, — is great at playing, “I care so much about you.” She’s worth, like $14 million herself. The other one is, “Buy a Tesla, peasants,” or in this case, “Eat some lentils and take the bus, peasants.”

This was amazing. Bloomberg opinion, first of all, with the Captain Obvious award for Bloomberg opinion for the last month, maybe forever. This is from the piece: “Inflation stings most if you earn less than $300,000 a year.” Yeah, you don’t say? “Here’s how to deal with it.” It turns out millionaires care less, Clay, and even half millionaires care less about inflation than people working for wages for under 300K.

Here is how they say to “deal with it,” and I’m serious. I’m actually reading to you from a Bloomberg opinion piece here, everybody: “Take the bus. Don’t buy in bulk. Try lentils instead of meat. Nobody said this would be fun.” This is the elites who think they understand economics are, like (summarized), “Put that cheeseburger down, peasant. Inflation is running high. Plus, the carbon emissions from the cow are too high. Eat your lentil patty in silence!”

CLAY: Here also is a bad idea of why every journalist just about shouldn’t live in New York City and LA or San Francisco. Because to them $300,000… You know this, Buck. If you live in New York City, like $300,000 in New York City is a lot of money, but you aren’t rich if you have $300,000 in New York City. If you make $300,000 in 99% of the places that people live in the United States, you’re doing really, really well for yourself.

But you have this idiot journalist, I don’t even know how they picked $300,000. Do you agree with that, Buck? You can see how a journalist in New York could be, oh, you’re not super rich. If you’re listening to us right now in Birmingham, Alabama or you’re listening to us right now in Louisville, Kentucky or in Salt Lake City, $300,000? You’re living pretty well on $300,000. In New York City, a journalist might be thinking, “Oh, you’re not that rich on 300K,” and it just makes you so out of touch in terms of how the vast majority of Americans are living.

BUCK: They’ve done studies, and the listeners on our WOR family in the New York tri-state area already knows this. If you’re living in New York City, whatever your income is compared to other cities across the country — with a handful of exceptions, San Francisco.

CLAY: LA.

BUCK: LA. But if you’re living in New York City compared to, say, Oklahoma City, whatever your income is, goes half as far. So if you make $100,000 a year in New York City, you live like somebody who makes $50,000 in Oklahoma City or in Salt Lake City, et cetera. To give folks a sense of how big that disparity is. But New York and D.C. are expensive cities, so the journo class has a skewed view of being well off and being able to pay your bills looks like.

CLAY: No doubt, and there’s no doubt that the people who have the most to lose from inflation are the people who have to spend all the money that they earn to live, because you’re actually seeing the price come out of your paycheck. I was talking with my father-in-law about this. He was at the house over the weekend while Lara, my wife, and I were traveling, and he was saying every single thing he buys…

He owns a meat-packing plant in the Detroit area. Every single thing he’s buying, the prices have skyrocketed. He’s like, trays — the metal trays that used to cost nothing. The cost for those now, for instance, in his business, are going through the roof. It’s wild. I know a lot of small business owners out there are feeling the impact here and a windfall profits tax is not going to make anything better.

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Rex Chapman Goes Viral for Wrongly Saying Pete Gillen Is Dead

21 Mar 2022

CLAY: There is so much insanity out there. Buck, your national championship team, Villanova, is still alive. My national championship team, Tennessee, is eliminated by Michigan; I’m still not over it. My wife is a Michigan grad. As I was sulking over the loss on Saturday, she found me and said, “Well, at least one of us is a winner.” So very thoughtful of her.

But Villanova is still alive. But, look, they’ve got an absolute idiot imbecile in Rex Chapman, who is working as part of the programming. And this went viral after he reported as part of his analysis that Pete Gillen, who’s a former Providence Friars coach, was dead. I’m going to play this clip for you in a minute. But, Buck, this guy is only getting his job… He’s got a CNN+ show. Rex Chapman stole $14,000 in gear from a Scottsdale Apple Store.

BUCK: That’s a lot of gear. That’s, like, multiple laptops. That’s not, like, just one or two things.

CLAY: I was trying to figure that out myself because usually an iPhone, even if you’re paying full freight, is, what, seven, $800?

BUCK: And a top of the line Mac laptop runs you close to two grand, I think, $1500/two grand.

CLAY: So, $14,000, I don’t even know how you steal stuff like that from the Apple store because usually they go back. They come out and then they bring your stuff back out. I don’t know what Rex Chapman was doing or how he managed to do it, but he was arrested for $14,000 in Apple Store theft in Scottsdale. He’s a former University of Kentucky basketball player, played in the NBA as well, and was a successful NBA player.

But he’s lost his mind. He’s gone on full coronabro. He’s arguing. Remember back when Virginia Tech, the football season started, he tweeted out, “Oh, it’s the Corona Bowl.” He’s kind of an imbecile. It’s not surprising to anybody who has paid attention to his work, CNN would hire him, give him his own show on CNN+, put them on their basketball coverage and he would report that a fellow CBS employee — a guy who is also calling NCAA Tournament-related games, Pete Gillen — is dead listen.

Here’s CNN’s Rex Chapman on CBS talking about Pete Gillen’s death.

Uhm, Pete Gillen is alive and works for CBS.
pic.twitter.com/UZvHsnSMrn

— Bobby Burack (@burackbobby_) March 19, 2022

BUCK: So, he’s not resting in peace, apparently.

CLAY: No.

BUCK: He’s walking around, hanging out with family, he’s fine. Is that what you’re telling me?

CLAY: Yes, and this is indicative. You can kind of laugh it off. But this is indicative of what we were talking about in the last segment, Buck, which I think so many people allow Twitter to be the real world, that they don’t even recognize what absolute insanity it is to be giving people like Rex Chapman television shows. The guy is an imbecile.

BUCK: I think less than 2% is active on Twitter on a regular basis.

CLAY: That’s right.

BUCK: For a lot of people in the media, they think Twitter opinion is represented there. It’s been said that Twitter is the assignment editor of the New York Times. There’s truth to that because people who work in journalism in particular think whoever is chirping them on Twitter is representative of what people actually think across the country and that is not true. (laughs) That’s not remotely true.

CLAY: Turns out, that’s not accurate.

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BUCK: We have right now a Supreme Court nominee hearing underway. The Senate Judiciary Committee is doing the usual questioning and the process of confirmation is underway here for Ketanji Brown Jackson, and look, Clay and I think — and you’ll correct me if I’m misstating this at all, but expect — that she will get confirmed, and I think she’ll get a few Republican votes for her confirmation, Clay.

Something could change in the next few days. But I’d be shocked if she was not confirmed, and what’s fascinating is the left — the same left-wing in the media — that I will never forgive or forget what they tried to do and did to Supreme Court Justice Kavanaugh. They were unsuccessful in stopping him, but they were successful in just putting him through a ritualized humiliation based on obvious and insane lies.

Here is Elie Mystal of, I believe a Washington Post journalist. Here, I’ll let Mr. Mystal say it.

“Let’s let’s be very clear, what @HawleyMO is doing when he tries to do this, is he’s trying to get her killed,” says @ElieNYC on @CrossConnection. “He is trying to get violence done against a Supreme Court nominee.”https://t.co/RKzSohixIb via @mediaite pic.twitter.com/bWBVp6xoEm

— Caleb Howe (@CalebHowe) March 19, 2022

BUCK: Clay, Mystal is with The Nation Magazine. So left-wing commie stuff, even more so than The Washington Post. Notice they tried, the left and the Democrat Party — and Kamala Harris, herself, on the Senate Judiciary Committee. They went along with lies about a good man being a serial gang rapist in high school based upon lunatics coming forward.

And there were many of them, not just one or two, coming forward to claim he raped them when he was in high school. Obvious lies. When you’re looking at a Supreme Court nominee and people are talking about her actual judicial record, it might as well be violence. And as he says, “Josh Hawley is calling for violence!” These people are nuts. The left is insane. I don’t know how to say it more clearly.

CLAY: This is the same guy who said the Constitution was crap, I think recently, on The View. The idea that Senator Hawley — who has been on this show several times — is in any way encouraging violence against any Supreme Court nominee is, of course, utter ridiculousness. Senator Hawley was a Supreme Court clerk.

So he knows better than most what goes on inside the Supreme Court, but also that every single nominee for the Supreme Court — given the fact that it’s a lifelong nomination — there should be a robust discussion about the background of every nominee. But — and this is where I was super fired up like you were during the Brett Kavanaugh hearings.

That doesn’t mean that every nincompoop with zero supporting evidence just gets to come out and say, “Oh, ‘insert justice here,’ raped me,” and we’re supposed to all believe that it instantaneously has credibility even when there’s no corroborating evidence whatsoever, and that is what happened with Kavanaugh. Now, there was no real…

In the grand scheme of things, they started to ramp up some Amy Coney Barrett attacks. I think the polling was so bad they thought they might lose suburban women. That was the genius of getting that nomination done when they did it. But I think Ketanji Brown Jackson is going to be relatively muted, and I think for this reason, Buck: Because the more Republicans fight on this, the more Joe Biden can argue this is some kind of massive victory.

When you know they’ve got the votes to get her through, even if all Republicans were united, Kamala Harris breaks the tie and puts her on the Supreme Court. So there’s no point in fighting a battle that you know you’re going to lose aggressively because you get the opportunity to declare victory to your opponent.

BUCK: There’s no point in interrupting your enemy when he’s making a mistake, and the Democrats are making endless mistakes — apart from, separate from the Supreme Court nomination situation right now — and so why give them the opportunity? Look, they should ask questions. And I know there’s this, she has been in the past as a judge not as severe on cases involving child sexual exploitation.

This is why the Senate has a confirmation process. They can ask them to explain. “Is that true?” I’d have to look more into her background. But separately, just on the politics of this, what you see is there’s no real gain for Republicans, because here’s the key difference. If you did derail the Ketanji Brown Jackson nomination, the Democrats would replace her.

And, by the way, that’s not going to happen. But even if they did, they’d replace her with another left-wing activist who will deliver for the left on the court 100%. With Republicans, it was, “If we shatter Brett Kavanaugh as a human being, maybe we’ll get a Merrick Garland-type moderate or centrist because Republicans have no backbone.

“And then we’ll actually get a lot of decisions that we want from the bench. So this is why it’s different, because our side does cave. We go, “We should respect the institution with a moderate.” The left is, “I want a hardcore leftist who will legislate from the bench.”

CLAY: What’s a little bit ridiculous about this… Look, Ketanji Brown Jackson, barring some insane blockbuster revelation in the judiciary committee hearings, is going to be on the Supreme Court. But because Biden painted himself into a corner, there actually aren’t even that many nominees to consider who are black women who are in a position to be put on the Supreme Court, right?

Basically, Biden interviewed three or four total. So unlike if Brett Kavanaugh had got pulled, when you go back to the full list that Donald Trump had put out, when Biden says I’m only putting a black woman on the Supreme Court, he’s automatically eliminating, what, 94% of the overall United States population from even being considered?

BUCK: So we think she’s going to get through. We’ll continue to follow it. I’m not going to deep dive into it, because I think we’re right on this one.

Clay and Buck

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