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Sen. Rand Paul Reacts to Breaking News on Ukraine, CDC

21 Feb 2022

BUCK: We’ve got our friend Senator Rand Paul of Kentucky with us now to talk about this as well as covid, the CDC, and all the rest of it. Senator Paul, we always appreciate you making time for us.

SEN. PAUL: Thanks for having me, guys.

BUCK: Let’s just start with, what do you think happens now in Ukraine? We just had Putin giving his address. He said Ukraine is historically part of Russia. He is recognizing these self-declared independent regions of effectively the Donbass area of eastern Ukraine as, well, independent, really part of Russia in this context. So what do you think happens here, Senator Paul? What do you see going on?

SEN. PAUL: Yeah, I think it’s the same recipe as what they did in Georgia. If they quickly move in and occupy that part of Ukraine, it’s difficult following to conceive of anybody dislodging them. I think the bitterness and the civil war that will ensue, though, won’t end quickly. I think Ukraine is more formidable than Georgia. They may not be able to dislodge Russians, but I think there’s going to be more war than many people would like to see.

The only people that really economically had the ability to punish Putin is Europe, and the question is whether or not Germany will actually make their resolve known. You know, they said they would do — they would not let them use natural gas as a weapon. They weren’t explicit about turning off Nord Stream 2, but we’ll see what they do. If they do very little, I think it just emboldens Putin more.

CLAY: Senator, that’s obviously breaking right now, major story with Ukraine. But I’m sure you read the New York Times had a story that is getting a lot of attention, finally getting around to covering the fact that the CDC is not release be all of the data that they have relating to the covid vaccine, relating to covid overall. I’m sure you read that piece. What was your reaction to it? What can we do to hold the CDC more accountable in terms of sharing this information, which is so necessary to allow us to have the best possible public policy?

SEN. PAUL: I would describe it as dishonesty. They have a conclusion they’ve come to, and it’s universal vaccination, and so they don’t want to have anything that contradicts the narrative. And really that’s dishonesty. That’s not science. That truly is dishonesty. So, part of the things they’ve been withholding is that the group of 18-year-olds to 49-year-olds basically a booster doesn’t seem to help them at all, that they’re fine without a booster. I think this is also true under 18 as well.

But they just want universal vaccination. They don’t want it two times. They want it three or four or five times, and by golly the facts don’t matter, and if the facts get in the way of what they want done, what their policy prescription is, they’ll hide the facts. The same is true with previously infected people. So I’m unvaccinated but previously infected. They finally released something about three weeks ago that says that the chances of me going to the hospital are 55 times less than someone who hasn’t had the disease, but also 2-1/2 times less than someone who’s been vaccinated but hasn’t had the disease.

So they’ve been dishonest about previous infections. They’re being dishonest about boosters, and I think it leads to more hesitancy. You wonder why some people don’t trust the government and think the vaccine might do all these bad things to them? It’s because the government isn’t honest (laughing) so they distrust the government even more because of this dishonesty.

BUCK: Speaking to Senator Rand Paul of Kentucky. Senator, as just a follow-up to what you’re discussing there with the data, the numbers when it comes to covid, natural immunity, the protection that is given or not really given to those who are at low risk, because it’s so low that — the protection they have is so low that — it wouldn’t even statistically show up, it seems now that we’re at a place that the federal government under the Biden administration as well as many state governments have fired thousands of people — including medical personnel, including members of the military, law enforcement officers, from their jobs — when there was no scientific basis for those firings, as in those individuals in many cases if they had natural immunity would have been safe or safer to be around than the vaccinated, and in other cases they were at low risk and therefore no different in terms of the risk they pose to people around them because of their age. Is it fair to say that these people were fired for no actual scientific reason but for policy and political reasons?

SEN. PAUL: Without question — and, see, I told the security team protecting President Trump early on that what they should do is put people around him… This is before the vaccine was available. I said put people around him who have already recovered from the disease, and you have a barrier to the disease. They’ll be the best protection. It’s the same with hospitals and nurses. If they’ve already had the disease, they’re actually better than somebody who’s been vaccinated.

To show you how grotesque this is, in the recent Omicron, we had so many doctors and nurses sick, they were sending them back to work while they were still shedding (laughs) the virus and just saying, “Oh, wear a mask.” Meanwhile, they had fired people who had immunity who weren’t getting sick again who could have helping in this instance. But it’s really about this impulse to authoritarianism, and it’s in the medical establishment as well as the political establishment, but it’s awful. I meet nurses every day around Kentucky — and doctors — who’ve been let go from their jobs even though they’ve already had covid because they didn’t think it was wise to get vaccinated.

CLAY: Senator Paul, what should happen in your mind going forward at this point? I know we got the State of the Union on March 1st. Buck and I are down in Florida right now. We continue the ridiculousness of having to put the kabuki theater masks on when we get on airplanes. Let me just ask you that directly. How do we end masking in both schools and airplanes as such a huge signifier of a lack of normalcy in our country? I know some kids are able to, some kids are still not — and also do away with this absurd mandate for airports as well?

SEN. PAUL: First of all, realize the airlines lie to you every time you get on the plane. They get on the loudspeaker, and they say, “This is mandated by federal law.” That is not true. Laws are passed by legislatures and signed by the president. The mask mandate came from the CDC, and the CDC has no power to tell you to wear a mask on a plane. They do not have that power. They were never given that power. The CDC also was the organization that said you don’t have to pay your rent or your car payment if covid’s bothering you.

And the courts have struck that down. So for the airline to say that, oh, this is a federal law? It’s not a federal law. But I am putting forward — because it’s a regulation that was put forward by the CDC. When I get back, not this week, but next week, I’m gonna force a vote on overturning that regulation by the CDC. It’s a privilege vote so it will happen. I think we’ll get every Republican to vote for it. The question is when are the Democrats gonna, you know, realize how much the public hates these mandates and also doesn’t believe that the masks work?

BUCK: Senator Paul, is it possible to reform the health bureaucracies at the federal level at least for this country so that we wouldn’t see something like this again? What is your — what is your desire going forward as a policy maker — as a legislator, I should say, both — to actually deal with the fact that the CDC has lost a lot and should have lost a lot of people’s confidence over the course of this pandemic for what seemed like obvious political reasons?

SEN. PAUL: Yeah, it’s not just the CDC. It’s infiltrated all over the groupthink of hospitals and universities, and the most important thing that your listeners can do is, if your loved one gets sick, don’t just blindly go in there and say, “Oh, do whatever you think is best.” Ask the doctor questions, ask the doctor for alternatives, discuss the alternatives, read up on it yourself, because they’re not being honest with us, and then the doctors are basing this on the information they’re getting from the CDC.

The one thing that Fauci could have said that would have saved tens of thousands of lives — and he’s never said this — is the monoclonal antibodies work but you have to get in soon. He’s too busy with his head stuck in the sand saying, “Oh, everybody’s gotta be vaccinated, we gotta grab your newborn and vaccinate him before they leave the hospital,” instead of saying, “Look. You might get sick if you’re not been vaccinated, you’re probably a little bit less likely to go to the hospital if you’ve been vaccinated.

“But if you get sick with either one of them, you have to be treated in the first several days as you’re getting sick or if you’re at high risk either through age or weight or other diseases.” I never hear that from him. The only person that really prioritized this was a few Republican governors. Namely, Ron DeSantis down in Florida probably saved thousands of people’s lives by making monoclonal antibodies very available.

CLAY: Senator Paul, what do you expect…? You just mentioned Dr. Fauci. We’ve been arguing on this show, and I want to reiterate it as well, you need to give the Democrats a real whipping and hold them responsible in the House and the Senate in the midterms coming up for what they have done and the failures they have implemented. But what do you expect to see from Dr. Fauci as we get closer to the spring, summer? Do you expect him to retire? Do you think he’s gonna sit around and allow himself to remain a government employee with the House potentially and the Senate flipping back to Republican control? What’s his game plan here?

SEN. PAUL: I don’t know for certain, but I can’t imagine that he’ll say through the election because the writing’s on the wall that I believe Republicans will take either the House or the Senate or both, and I’ve already pledged that if I’m chairman of a committee after November, I will use every resource and leave no stone unturned to investigate where this virus came from. We’ll interview the scientists who tried to cover it up, that includes Fauci, a lot of his colleagues. The email trails that are all redacted, we’re gonna get to it.

We will see every one of those emails and we’re gonna see all the words, not redacted form. We’re gonna see what went on and why they chose to cover it up. Some of it we already know. Fauci and Collins went back and forth saying (summarized), “This will damage science. We are science, and it’ll damage government, and it’ll damage people’s belief in that government is doing the right thing.” So they basically told us it didn’t come from the lab and it had to come from nature ’cause they didn’t want to damage WHO, China. They don’t want to hurt the feelings of the Chinese scientists, and they didn’t want us to know that they’d been funding this research in China.

BUCK: Senator Rand Paul of Kentucky. Senator, we always appreciate you, sir. Thanks for being with us.

SEN. PAUL: Thanks, guys.

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What It Means: Putin Recognizes Breakaway Ukrainian Regions

21 Feb 2022

BUCK: We do have this breaking news about the situation in Ukraine right now. Putin has declared eastern Ukrainian breakaway provinces of Luhansk and Donetsk to be — this is known, often referred to as the Donbas region of eastern Ukraine. The declaration here is that they are independent, and the assumption that goes along with this would be and now effectively part of Russia.

So, in much the same way as there was a referendum in Crimea to make it a part of the Russian Federation and then there was this military incursion by Russia into this part of Ukraine back in 2014, they created a beachhead there for what is now the official declaration of this independence of the eastern Ukrainian breakaway states. Look, even the language you use here you’ll see it all goes to the Russian maskirovka, the war through deception component of this. They want us…

We talked about this as “breakaway regions.” This is Russia seizing parts of Ukrainian territory, effectively. That’s what’s going on. According to Russian TV, Putin has declared eastern Ukraine independent, and he has also told his plan to EU leaders. We don’t have more details on that yet. We will. But, Clay, here’s what I think is happening right now. So, we told the headlines, and now the next steps are, let’s say they just leave it as…

We’ll call it the Donbas, eastern Ukraine, if they just have this now as part of Russia. The Russian military situation around Ukrainian borders is such that they could still deal some kind of a knockout blow to the Ukrainian military if they choose to do so. So, this may essentially be a provocation to get some kind of response from the Ukrainian government, because let’s say Ukrainian military goes into Donbas and says this doesn’t fly.

Then the Russians go in and say, “You’re attacking Russian speakers, you are violating their sovereignty,” and it just becomes this big mess of lies. That’s one possibility. The other possibility is the Russians don’t even wait for that kind of a movement from the Ukrainian government, create a false flag inside of Ukraine — and we’re talking about the Russians, by the way. They do do false flags. That’s not conspiracy stuff. They’ve done false flags in Chechnya. They do false flags. But, Clay, I think that’s another possibility where they’ll act like they are just waiting and they just want these regions — and then if there’s some kind of a conflagration they say, “Oops! They forced our hand.”

CLAY: And the question that will be out there is, how long does this…? If Ukraine is going to accede in some way to the loss of this territory — and they have been fighting there since, like, 2014, right? So, this has been a tumultuous region, to say the least already. To what extent does this end this story? How long does this “will he or won’t he” element of the Ukrainian invasion continue in the wake of this if, again, Putin is going to declare eastern Ukraine independent, theoretically then all of eastern Ukraine becomes a part of Russia. If that occurs, are we talking about this border region continuing to be on tenterhooks for years to come, or does this dial back the tension here and lead to a resolution for both sides in some form or fashion?

BUCK: Think about what we would see. Let’s assume that it stops more or less here and that the Donetsk or something roughly analogous to the Donetsk — which is really an eastern region of Ukraine, obviously, all along the Russian border. Clay, they could just say — Putin could say — this is it; let’s leave it here. And what he would have is, essentially, in the eyes of not just Putin, the Kremlin, and the people who support him from within the military complex there but from his supporters inside of Russia, he will have stared down NATO and taken a chunk of lost territory without really anything. There’s been some shelling in minor —

CLAY: No significant loss of life or materiel.

BUCK: He will just have said, “I am Putin, hear me or else” and taken off a big chunk of Ukraine without having to actually even go to war. I think where we are right now is. Is that actually sufficient?

CLAY: Well, I think for a lot of people out there, how would the Biden administration respond to this? They probably would let Russia, in theory, take this small region of eastern Ukraine and then hope that this thing just goes away?

BUCK: Yeah.

CLAY: I mean, right?

BUCK: Of course.

CLAY: I mean, because the last thing they want is this to linger.

BUCK: Maybe they’ll put some sanctions on it and things like that. It does remind me, for those who remember the great Tom Clancy, in Debt of Honor, if I recall, the whole point is that an imperial Japanese — resurgent, right-wing Japanese military — strike to take back lost territory from World War II, and their whole thing is they’re gonna take it so fast, Clay, that why fight over it once it’s been taken? It reminds me a little bit what’s going on here. It’s already done, guys. Why fight over this with us? That’s the idea of —

CLAY: Well, and then the other thing you have to worry about is the precedent that’s being set on Taiwan because China certainly is watching this closely to see how we respond in this situation.

BUCK: 100%

BREAK TRANSCRIPT

BUCK: Putin is speaking right now on Ukraine. They’re calling it “tensions” on Fox News. Here is the situation just to bring everybody up to speed as we are seeing this the real time too. Putin is talking right now about the area of eastern Ukraine that has been the site of Russian incursion, invasion, and the creation of two separatist, non-recognized separatist republics of Luhansk and Donetsk, the area in the eastern part of Ukraine, the far eastern part of Ukraine known as the Donbas.

And right now, we’re hearing from Vladimir Putin as it seems he is declaring independence of these regions. Now, this is a much lesser right now escalation than what was perhaps thought would be happening if we had the opening of hostilities given the size of the Russian military force arrayed along Ukraine’s borders. That doesn’t mean that this won’t escalate very rapidly, though. What will the Ukrainian government do in response?

Clay, there is a very real chance as we see this unfolding that Putin essentially created a situation where this will look like… Remember, there was all this talk about, by putting all of the soldiers, putting all the military assets in place, maybe it was a head fake to get concessions. Well, maybe he put them all in place because the head fake in a sense is a massive invasion when the actual desire is to just take this eastern portion and it will seem to everybody like, “Well, at least this didn’t turn into open conflict and warfare the way that we thought.” So this may defang — again, we don’t know yet.

We don’t know who their future plans are. But as it stands right now, this could be a move by Putin to outmaneuver and outplay the European and American response because if it’s not open war, if it’s just a declaration of this official recognition — and the Ukrainian government extent move against them and the Russians don’t escalate — then this becomes a de facto reality on the ground. They’ve been giving out Russian passports in this region for weeks already. So they’re creating a reality on the ground of, “These are Russian speakers and Russian citizens, and we leave it there.” That’s what could be happening.

CLAY: And, to be fair, a lot of these people might well prefer to be Russian, right, in the border region. I mean, something like 85% consider themselves to be of Russian ethnic origin as opposed to Ukrainian. And so if he has been selling the idea, “I’m gonna take over the whole country” and provoking all of this fear that this was gonna spiral into something far larger, and then ultimately this is the price to pay…

I mean, really the question is, how is Ukraine gonna respond now, right? Do they have any recourse here? Because I can’t imagine that they are very appreciative on having part of their territory just taken away. And the question is, is this going to be enough, or is this a prelude to something more significant going forward? But again, as we are watching, we’ll eventually have official translation of this.

But Putin has been declaring independence for parts of Ukraine. We need to check and see. The other thing I was gonna check, Buck, is what is the reaction of the stock market in general? Because initially on reports of this potentially occurring. Obviously, the stock market is closed today for Presidents’ Day, I believe. But the futures on the stock market had declined pretty precipitously in the last hour or so as people became aware of what might be taking place.

BUCK: So there is something of a playbook for this. The Russians have run this before. At the very end of the Bush administration — so we’re going back to now I think, what was it, August 2008 — you had this escalation in a region of Georgia, the country of Georgia where you had breakaway republics of South Ossetia and Abkhazia, and the Russians did this. It was very similar. There was some shelling and some “we need to step in here to protect the Russian speakers in the region,” and you had these little breakaway republics.

And keep in mind that the Russians effectively got their way and got away with it. This is what actually happened. This was, from their perspective, a success. So it is not really surprising that there is a similar campaign going on here — or similar play, it seems, being made — as Putin is officially declaring now, as he said, as fox is translating this, the Western news outlets are translating this in real time, Putin has declared that Ukraine has always been a part of Russia, that these eastern regions are now independent, Luhansk and Donetsk.

Fascinating, Clay. There has been some reporting on in the past on who were some of the top officials of these non-recognized — now recognized by Vladimir Putin, of course — breakaway republics. There was actually a dogcatcher and a former mall Santa that were running the government in essence or at the very top end government of these breakaway Republicans. The point then being the Russians are running them, they just found local people to pretend to be the Russian puppets, if you will, and try to get all this set up for what we’re seeing right now.

CLAY: Do you believe this lessens or increases tension going forward based on this news happening literally as we are talking at this moment? Is it your indication of — ’cause I’m looking at the stock market. The stock market is down around 2%, the NASDAQ is, the Dow is down a little bit over a percent. Obviously, that’s not… Those aren’t monster moves, but it suggests discomfort with what’s going on.

BUCK: So you can look at what did we do in response to Crimea, what did we do in response to Abkhazia and South Ossetia, what did we do in response to the initial incursion in eastern Ukraine? Some sanctions, but did we do…? Was there…? When I say “we,” by the way, I don’t just mean America. I mean NATO, Europe, the West. Not a whole lot, Clay. If it stops here, if it stops here, yeah, there will be sanctions.

There will be diplomatic wrangling. But Putin gets this part of Ukraine back for the Russian Federation without actually having to fight, which is a huge win for him. So what are the responses going to be here? Diplomatic and sanctions, that’s it. Obviously, no one’s suggesting right now in this country, NATO is gonna go in and do anything about these breakaway republics. If they leave it here, Putin might walk away with a win.

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NYT Admits the CDC Lied, Withheld Covid Data

21 Feb 2022

BUCK: You can’t make this stuff up, folks. The CDC… This is a big story for you: “The CDC Isn’t Publishing Large Portions of the Covid Data It Collects.” Now, you might think, that must be some kind of right-wing Substack, some dot-com they’re running. No, that is the New York Times headline on this. The subheading is, “The agency has withheld critical data,” the New York Times, everybody, “on boosters, hospitalizations, and, until recently, wastewater analysis.”

Now, Clay, we could do the, “We Were Right” dance here ’cause we’ve been talking about the hiding of data particularly in hospitalizations for a long time. But, can I just give you one data point from this one, and you tell me what you think’s going on here. “When the CDC…” This is a quote from the article. “When the CDC published the first significant data on the effectiveness of boosters in adults younger than 65 two weeks ago, it left out the numbers for a huge portion of that population, 18 to 49-year-olds, the group least likely to benefit from extra shots because the first two doses already left them well protected.” What do you think’s going on here?

CLAY: I think that the clear data here is going to reflect that, as we have been saying for years now, really, that there’s not any real need for young people to be getting covid shots at all, and if they’re not saying that 18-to-49 data — and, by the way, that’s a pretty broad definition of “young,” right, and also a huge percentage of the overall American population. Note we’re also not getting great data on kids, people who are 0 to 18.

What the CDC has done is shameful in so many respects, Buck, because at least for a long time precovid… I don’t know that we all spent a lot of time distrusting the CDC, and I don’t know in the years ahead how they are ever going to be able to rebuild their legitimate public authority for huge populations in the United States because of what I believe has been actual medical information that they have put out. And the biggest question here to me, Buck, remains, we mandated…

Joe Biden attempted to mandate, but certainly we did basically everything we could as a country to insist that people consume a for-profit business’s drug that was newly created, and we minted billionaires, many of them based on this, and now we’re trying to give them an annuity for years to come where we continue to try to force people to get shots that, frankly, the vast majority of them don’t need.

BUCK: You also have the CDC straight-up telling people, Clay, in this article… This is the kind of thing we’ve been saying all along and it’s not surprising, because if we go back to the origins, people ask, how do guys like you and me…? How did we know early on that Fauci is “full of it,” to put it nicely. It is completely unethical and inexcusable for a public health official to lie to the public because he thinks the lie is good for them.

CLAY: Yes.

BUCK: That is absolutely inexcusable. Fauci in the beginning of the pandemic, March of 2020, said, “Masks don’t do anything,” and then he turned around very quickly, said, “Actually, they do do things, and I only was telling you they don’t work before because I didn’t want all the good masks to run out.”

CLAY: Yes.

BUCK: The fact that people accepted this ever, I was mind-blown. Then when I found out that he was calling Chris Cuomo every night when he had covid to ask, “Are you okay, Chris? Are you…? Do you have a fever?” Chris Cuomo was gonna be fine, right?

CLAY: Of course.

BUCK: There are thousands and thousands of seniors who were in hospitals who could have used some actual attention from the federal health bureaucracy on their plight, but instead he’s calling Cuomo. Anyway, here’s this piece, Clay. “Kristen Nordlund, a spokeswoman for the C.D.C., said the agency has been slow to release the different streams of data ‘because basically, at the end of the day, it’s not yet ready for prime time.’ … Another reason is fear that the information might be misinterpreted,” she said. This is in the New York Times piece. Clay, they’re holding back hospitalization and vaccine efficacy and virus level and wastewater for our benefit ’cause we might misinterpret it? People should be losing their minds over this.

CLAY: And as a result of the data they’re not sharing, we’re making decisions based on Israeli data, which we’ve talked about with Berenson and on this show for a long time that the incompetence here is so staggering that we are using another country’s data to try to determine what the right decisions to make are for the United States. And I gotta give Alex Berenson credit, and I think we’re gonna talk with him on Friday because, Buck, he said several months ago what would have sounded crazy.

Almost all of his “conspiracy theories” end up coming true. But, Buck, what did he say? He said they’re not telling us the truth as it pertains to the overall data surrounding Omicron, surrounding Delta, infection rates, hospitalization rates, vaccine rates, all of that. And we still don’t have it, and now it appears we’re basically gonna go through ’cause we’re coming up on the two-year anniversary of “15 days to stop the spread,” two years for a federal agency not to have reliable data that they can release to everyone is inexcusable. Many people, frankly, should be losing their jobs and this entire CDC should have to be remade.

BUCK: It’s amazing that this is reported on now when this keeps in line with what we’ve been seeing. This has really been known. It’s not like the CDC just decided to withhold this data, but it now feels safe for some of the journalistic entities out there, because remember what happened here for everyone listening. You recall this. There was a, “Whatever we have to do to get the narrative in a place where people will comply.”

And this is where this notion of public health officials lying for your benefit became acceptable, right, because “we’ve just gotta get everyone to get the shot” was their attitude. And, by the way, as many shots as we say they need to get over time. Nothing else mattered. You were not allowed to have the actual data. Imagine for a moment — take it out of the realm of vaccines — that the government said, “We’re gonna have you take some kind of a pharmaceutical,” and you see all the pharmaceutical commercials on TV.

“Could cause…” and they run through 50 different symptoms. “We’re gonna give you a pharmaceutical. It’s gonna be great for you. It’s gonna prevent some disease. But we’re not actually gonna let you know what the real data is. We’re not going to share the real information.” People would, understandably, right away say, “This is crazy. The paternalism at work here from the CDC. We’re gonna hold back information,” and they pretended, “Oh, it’s so complicated here.”

It’s not that complicated in the U.K. Not that complicated in Israel. Somehow, they’re able to do it. “We’re gonna hold back information because it might go out there and…” What? Conflict with the official narrative and also I think embarrass people. This is the part of it that they don’t want… Even the New York Times has been talking about it. If you’ve been pushing this stuff the whole time, you’ve been firing healthy members of the military who are in their twenties and thirties and forties ’cause they don’t want to get a shot — we’re talking about the boosters — they clearly do not need them based on the CDC’s own withholding. How do you make that sense of anything?

CLAY: Well, also, how about the crony capitalism here? Again, I can’t remember very many times where the federal government has tried to mandate you take a for-profit drug everyone — and not only that you take it, that you take it twice and then you take it for a booster and then you potentially take it for a yearly booster going forward, and they’ve provided complete immunity to all of the drugmakers.

And if you look at their earnings reports, we’re minting billionaires left and right in this scenario time after time after time. And the way it all shakes out is ultimately the CDC, along with much of the federal government, has failed us. The question that is out there — and we had the great study from Johns Hopkins that almost no one cited, Buck. The shutdowns, the lockdowns, everything that we’ve done — according to pretty esteemed scholars at Johns Hopkins who’ve looked at all of the data — effectively had zero impact.

So we have destroyed many people’s lives out there outside of the virus itself with our response, the response to the virus, not the virus itself, and for what? What have we actually gained? It’s the biggest public policy failure in this country since Vietnam, may well be even bigger than that.

BUCK: And when you look at who’s implicated in it, Clay, this is why everyone needs to make sure they don’t let them do what they want to do now, which is move past this as fast as possible. “Oh, great, we’re gonna…” Even in New York, I’m sure at some point they’ll lift the mask mandates. You were just in California, Clay, Los Angeles.

CLAY: Nobody was enforcing it when I was there.

BUCK: It’s gonna be better this spring. It’s gonna be better this summer. There needs to be accountability, okay? There needs to be a reckoning with what has happened here because the implications of this are that the media apparatus in this country — and, also, remember, the global health apparatus is also a thing. Yeah, you have the World Health Organization, but you have all these different government Health and Human Services apparatuses that talk to each other, that communicate, that share policy prescriptions.

And this is a level of wrong that we have really never seen before in our lifetimes from all the people who think that they should be in charge: The media, the Democrat elites, the bureaucrats within governments all over the world. So they’re gonna do everything they can to rewrite this history as fast as possible. We have to not allow that. We have to actually hold up the mirror here and make them look at what they’ve done.

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Viral Clip: Virginia Mom Busts School Board, Brings Receipts

21 Feb 2022

CLAY: So many parents, moms and dads — but particularly moms — have been willing to speak out against all of these mask mandates, which has become sort of the cultural flash point surrounding covid more so than anything else, because if you can remove masks from schools, every other restriction, it seems, crumbles around it.

This was Montgomery County, Virginia, a school board member goes into a fit when a mom says, “Hey, we need to do away with masks here in schools — and, oh, by the way, I’ve got pictures, I’ve got receipts of school board members who have been caught out in public without wearing masks.” This is what it sounded like in Montgomery County, Virginia. Mom was ready.

An anti-mask parent shows a pro-mask school board member photos of her not wearing a mask in public during a school board meeting and the board member storms out of the meeting. This is incredible: pic.twitter.com/T49apO4zUr

— Clay Travis (@ClayTravis) February 20, 2022

BUCK: I think this is fantastic.

CLAY: How amazing is this?

BUCK: This is the best. First of all, you’re seeing right away from the school board member the tyrannical Fauciite impulse with, “You be quiet! Let’s get the police in here!” This is over masking, right?

CLAY: Yes.

BUCK: This is —

CLAY: It’s a public forum.

BUCK: Right.

CLAY: It’s not like they stormed… If you watch the video, she’s talking for her two- or three-minute window.

BUCK: She didn’t show up in this woman’s living room or something. She’s not trespassing. She’s speaking, but the school board member obviously doesn’t like it. But mask hypocrisy — look. One of the things the Democrats did very early on is they really embraced the whole notion of wearing the mask as a virtue signal, right?

CLAY: Yes.

BUCK: I’m a good person. I care about the community, and people can get addicted to that over time. They can realize, “Oh, all I have to do is this and I’m one of the good, smart people!” It’s like saying, “I believe in climate change!” You’re one of the good, smart, nice people. You’ve done nothing. But that’s what the masking was for a lot of people — and obviously this school board member who doesn’t mask up a lot, Clay, is one of them.

CLAY: Oh, she was phenomenal — and if you were to watch that video, it’s out. You can find it @ClayTravis. But there have been so many what I would call heroes, parents who have been willing to stand up against this, and you saw how quickly so many of these school board members fold and/or demand protection when their own hypocrisy is pointed out to them.

The school board member posted these photos on Facebook. It’s not as if, you know, the woman did some sort of deep dive into get secret photos. She was saying, “How dare you share these!” I mean, it’s the very essence of what we have seen. Every major, it feels like, Democratic politician who was most committed to masks has been caught flagrantly violating their own prohibitions.

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21 Feb 2022

CLAY: Cowardice has been in abundance, unfortunately, for much of the past two years, Buck, and, and there has been a race to conformity. I want to give credit here to Evangeline Lilly, who is one of the Marvel actors now in the Marvel superhero movies. She was previously also Kate on Lost for those of you how there who may remember her. I believe she is Canadian.

And she spoke out against vaccine mandates, which counts as bravery in Hollywood, because almost no one has been willing to do it — and she also now has spoken out against the head of Canada, Justin Trudeau, the prime minister there and said (summarized), “Hey, you’re willing basically to meet with every other protester. Why in the world would you not actually be willing to meet with all of the Canadian protesters?” Listen to this.

BUCK: Clay —

CLAY: That’s bravery, man. I mean, you look at what happened to Gina Carano, Disney cut bait with her in a hurry, the Mandalorian, she’s now with The Daily Wire. Credit to Gina Carano speaking out but the president that Disney has tried to put in place is: You accede to what we believe left-wing politics or there will be consequences. I got give her a lot of credit, first of all, for showing up at the anti-vaccine mandate protest in Washington, D.C., and now for recording that. She is Canadian, but speaking out in favor of the truckers is almost unheard of.

BUCK: And yet Justin Trudeau somehow in all this still thinks that he’s the good guy? Wouldn’t it be something that the apparatus would want to debate publicly? If they’re so sure that they’re right — and I think considering the CDC has admitted to hiding a lot of very important data about this ’cause they don’t want to us to get “the wrong idea,” thhey’re not so sure they’re right, not at all. If they were, though, wouldn’t you think that they would be willing to debate this issue?

Why can’t Justin Trudeau speak to somebody from the other side? One of the big problems for the entire covid lockdown and mandate era is that the people pushing this stuff never have to actually explain in a debate or cross-examine or back-and-forth format what exactly are we getting out of this, what have the costs been, what is the upside? A vaccine mandate for people in Canada no longer makes any sense, considering that everyone’s had the opportunity to get the shot, and the shot does not stop the spread?

Same thing in America. The shot does not stop. We just went through this. We all saw, but Clay, ultimately they realize if they lose power on this — and this is the way the progressive mind works, they’re worried they lose power for other things, too, meaning, okay, if we admit we’re wrong on covid, we have less control over you. That means less control over you when it comes to restricting gun rights. Less control over you when it comes to abortion.

Less control over you when it comes to taxation and regulation. Everything, right? They want to be in a position to be able to dictate all aspects of life to you. And so they don’t want to admit they’re wrong on this because all the other aspects of the left-wing agenda they feel with imperiled by the loss of power so it justifies in their mind the continued intransigence and stubbornness.

CLAY: And I would say this, Buck, and I bet you would agree: Most conspiracies don’t come out of fully vetted and released information. It’s when we have an entity like the CDC (New York Times major piece today if you haven’t read it) saying that they are not releasing the actual data surrounding covid, and so when there is that absence, people fill it in with their own theories of why that isn’t being fared. And, frankly, I don’t know that the CDC in our lifetimes is ever gonna be widely trusted again.

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21 Feb 2022

BUCK: Clay, I see there’s a handshake line, Juwan Howard — whose name I do remember from when he was in the NBA.

CLAY: And he was a member of the Fab Five back in the day, like, one of the most famous basketball recruits of all time.

BUCK: So all I saw is, he open-hand struck another coach in the face —

CLAY: Yes.

BUCK: — to me this feels like, you can’t do that, but what’s the backstory and what happens here?

CLAY: So we got a lot of people listening to us right now in Wisconsin who are big Badger fans; so this was of a game between Michigan and Wisconsin, and right as I’m about to hop on the plane, this thing goes viral. It’s a handshake line, and Juwan Howard just… It’s not even the head coach that he ends up hitting, it’s an assistant coach. And so far the Big Ten and Michigan have not issued any punishment, but you coached before.

BUCK: Mmm-hmm.

CLAY: I have coached the Little League. One of the sacrosanct rules of sports in general regardless of the level in which you are coaching is you can’t hit the opposing coach (laughing) in a handshake line, even if you’re upset. Another ridiculous thing about this is, of course, he’s got a mask on, right, so the stupid charade of masking, his mask comes down. He’s yelling and screaming at it other side, and he loses his cool and he hits him, and so I think that there has to be a significant punishment levied against Juwan Howard over this. Now, it just… I can’t even conceive of major college athletics where one coach has hit another coach. It just doesn’t happen.

Here’s audio of the handshake line, btw, Juwan Howard starts it all by saying, “I’ll remember that,” evidently angry over Wisconsin taking a timeout to avoid a ten second count while he was still pressing at the end of the game. pic.twitter.com/GsCIEPYl4b

— Clay Travis (@ClayTravis) February 20, 2022

BUCK: So just for everyone listening, another part of the entertainment here — this was pointed out to me by friends in Florida literally showing me this on their phones — hey, did you see this? I said, no. No, you don’t see a coach throw a punch that often, so it was getting a lot of attention. An additional part of the, shall we say —

CLAY: Fracas.

BUCK: — the fracas was I was seeing people coming at you on Twitter and the fights over this. Somehow calling for punishment of Juwan Howard for on video in a very prominent national game for a college athletics striking another coach, this is racism, apparently.

CLAY: Well, everything that involves multiple races now immediately gets seen in the context of race-related behavior. So Juwan Howard’s a black guy, he hit a white guy — and not surprisingly, very frequently, almost immediately upon this story happening, some people said, “Oh, Juwan Howard doesn’t need to be punished,” and neither of those people were Michigan fans, which I respect the fact that you’ll defend your coach, or you’ll defend your program.

My wife is a Michigan grad, or it was other minorities in sports media somehow saying, “Oh, this other coach was actually the instigator.” It’s really kind of embarrassing if you watched the footage to make that argument. Now, if you’re a defense attorney which I have been before, I’ll argue for anybody, right, that your client could be. It is just so disappointing because effectively what’s happened is the identity politics universe that we have created in larger society has infected and infiltrated into sports so that you can’t be held responsible for what you did. It’s all seen within the prism of your race, your gender, basically the Oppression Olympics and/or the pyramid of victimization, how are we going to assess what should happen? And that is now playing out as it relates to Juwan Howard.

BUCK: Real quick, you think suspension?

CLAY: Rest of the season. He should not be able to coach the rest of the season.

BUCK: Should he be banned from coaching in the NCAA, period?

CLAY: No, I think that’s probably too much. I would suspend him for the rest of the year, put him on notice — hey, if we have any more incidents like this you’re done, like this is the last opportunity, this is the last straw — but I wouldn’t fire him.

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Male Swimmer Wins 4 Ivy League Female Titles

21 Feb 2022

CLAY: Buck, there are a couple of ridiculous stories that happened over the weekend that I wanted to hit you with, and I can’t believe that this is not becoming a bigger story now, although it is starting to cross over outside of just people who have functional brains. We had a transgender swimmer at the University of Pennsylvania won four different Ivy League championships, Buck — four different Ivy League championships.

And if you haven’t paid attention to this story, we’re talking about a man who swam for three years on the University of Pennsylvania’s team and then decides to become a woman and now is poised with the NCAA championships coming up in a few weeks to potentially become the greatest “woman,” in quotation marks, swimmer of all time. And we have such identity politics colliding here, Buck.

You have Democrats whose predominant base to a large extent is female voters, and so they don’t want to offend women who might enjoy competition. I know a ton of you out there, dads and moms, are seething over a story like this. So, they’re pretending it doesn’t exist. Simultaneously, they’re not saying, “Hey, men are bigger, stronger, and faster than women.” Just because you decide to become a woman and start taking whatever drugs are necessary in order to for that to occur, it doesn’t make you not over six feet tall or have bigger hands and feet and be better at swimming than a woman would be, which is what men are.

BUCK: He’s effectively had almost 10 years of nature’s testosterone therapy already. Let’s be honest about this. Right? His biochemistry has been such that he has been receiving, as any male listening to this would be, receiving the benefits of male biochemistry when it comes to size, strength, speed, and those issues. One thing that this brings to bear here, Clay, because it is fascinating, and you’ve been reminding me of just how the sports media —

CLAY: Pretend it doesn’t exist.

BUCK: — should be doing back flips about how amazing this is, what a moment of huge progress this is, right? You’ll notice that when it came to the first, I believe…? Was it the first transgender cabinet-level official that was…? Maybe state level. I think it was state level official in Pennsylvania, a health official —

CLAY: It was a huge story, everybody was praising it, how significant it was.

BUCK: — breaking a glass ceiling of sorts or whatever, however they want to frame it. If this is a good thing, they should view this as an enormously positive story they want to tell all over the place. They know that this is an issue where I think honestly 80 to 90% of the country is just saying it’s wrong.

CLAY: I think it’s like 95%. I think it’s crazy.

BUCK: This is not anywhere near a 50-50. This is not a Democrat-Republican issue. This is a sane-versus-insane issue, and it does, though, remind me of how you have to see a lot of this starts with — and even conservatives fall for this. It’s about being polite. “Let’s just be polite. Let’s use the preferred pronouns. Let’s be inclusive! You don’t want anyone to feel bad.”

I do think conservatives have culturally a desire for politeness and for courtesy that is often used against us in politics. I don’t want anyone to feel bad. I want people to feel safe and have a good day and all the rest of it. But it’s not courteous to make 12-year-old girls get undressed in their locker room with 12-year-old boys. It’s not polite.

CLAY: Yes.

BUCK: It’s not okay. It’s not “courteous,” which is a new policy. It’s not courteous to have female swimmers getting annihilated by someone who’s a biological male. What ends up happening is if you don’t see this for what it is in the early stages, courtesy cannot be at the expense at the truth, politeness cannot be at the expense of truth, and that’s what you see in the transgender issue in sports all the time.

CLAY: I keep coming back to a quote that an anonymous member of this Penn swimming team gave to one of our writers, Joe Kinsey, at OutKick. That swimmer said — and I’m paraphrasing her — that she hopes when she is married and has children of her own, that she has boys, because women’s sports are going to cease to exist in many ways if tons of transgender male athletes decide to become a part of women’s sports.

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