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Normalcy Now or Insanity Forever: DeSantis vs. Wu

7 Feb 2022

BUCK: It’s fascinating to watch as the Democrats try to maintain control of the narrative in all that’s happened. Let’s just take a step back. A moment of brief review here, if we could — a moment of brief review. We have gone through a winter now with, in some causes, all-time high covid case rates, okay? We’ve gone through the winter. We’ve had a lot of hospitalizations, a lot of deaths, despite a mass vaccination program that was mandatory — mandatory — in so many states and the fact that we are now on, for some places, a third or even fourth booster or shot.

So, this is called failure, failure to stop the spread. They did not have the vaccination campaign because they wanted everyone to be safe. That’s not what they said. They wanted you to not spread it to other people, so they had to force you to get this shot, right? It turned out that didn’t work, and you also had the Biden administration preside over more deaths in a year — and if you even make it a 10-month versus 10-month comparison, Trump versus Biden — worse under Biden than Trump.

It is a disaster. I think the CDC should be torn down to the studs and something worthwhile should be built in its place because the CDC made everything worse. The CDC was atrocious the whole time. I would note that Bill Maher on his show, Clay, also brought up something that I’ve talked about many times in the past which was how horrible, not just the CDC but specifically Dr. Fauci, was about refusing to focus resources, attention, and messaging to most at-risk communities for HIV.

Instead, they wanted to scare the entire country because they thought that was somehow a better approach, which, as you know — focused protection was something that was talked about with covid — focused protection on disease and virus should always be a strategy. Find those that are most at-risk and do what you can to help and protect them. But here we have two different approaches. Here’s Ron DeSantis.

I was just in Florida for a week. It’s so free down there, Clay. It’s so amazing. It’s so, great. I was down there. This is what you live with. See, it’s funny. You leave Nashville and go to L.A., and you experience the reverse of what I have when I go down to Florida and come back to New York. There’s people double masked outside with N95 masks on all over the place here like lunatics. There’s Ron DeSantis pointing out that kids would have been locked out of school in 2020 in the whole state of Florida if it were not for him.

DESANTIS: If it wasn’t for me, the kids would have been locked out of school in 2020 in the state of Florida. That’s just the reality, because that’s where all this was coming from. So we stood in the breach. We fought back. We stood for our kids. And now people are trying to rewrite history saying, “Oh, no, no, we — we — we supported it! Everyone wanted the schools open.” That is just not true, and so we were right on that, and they were grievously, grievously wrong.

BUCK: I work that’s what I want to get to here, Clay: We were right; they were wrong. It’s not okay to say, “Oh, gosh, we’re finally gonna be able to have our lives back!” No. They were wrong because otherwise they will bring this crap back.

CLAY: There need to be consequences for being wrong. They were wrong on defund the police. They were all wrong on shutting down our schools. And in particular, for Ron DeSantis, Buck, you just came back from Florida. We’ve got a place in Florida, and we went down to Florida in May of 2020 when just about everything was still shut down, and we were contemplating moving our entire family to Florida just for that reason, because Ron DeSantis was the first guy who came out and said (summarized), “All Florida schools are gonna be open.

“And not only are all Florida schools gonna be open; we’re gonna play all sports,” right? “We’re gonna have kids be able to play football. We’re gonna have kids be able to play baseball and soccer and everything else.” Not only did Florida open up, they did it without masks, and they did it in a safe and effective and — actually, yes– scientific way. And that’s why there need to be public policy consequences.

Because it is the essence of democracy that people who make good decisions for the country should be rewarded and people who make poor decisions for the country, Buck, should be penalized. And that is why we need an overwhelming red wave ’cause this isn’t going away. Look at what the Boston mayor is saying, Buck, like she doesn’t ever want masks to go away. I think this is important the distinction between the two.

BUCK: Here she is, the mayor of Boston, Michelle Wu, last Tuesday.

WU: Covid will be around for a while. Even after we were through this surge, we know it is likely that next fall, next winter there likely will be another surge. But, in the meantime, as we’re tracking these numbers, these protections are not permanent. They are to make sure that we are safe in the most urgent moments, and we will continue to take steps to balance that, uh (sputters) guarantee of safety through public health policies that are (pause) responsive and clear.

BUCK: No, no, no, no, no. Not gonna let this go. First of all, the guarantee of safety? Does anyone really think that there’s a guarantee of safety from any of these policies, whether it’s Lysoling your groceries or mask up between bites on the plane or mask your kids in school (but not in the rest of their lives) or mask when you’re in the Knoxville airport, Clay, but not everywhere else than that. It’s all so stupid. And I’m sorry that people…

A lot of them, they went to fancy schools, and they think they’re important, they think they’re smart. They couldn’t think this stuff through on their own. So they were wrong — need to keep repeating that. But you’ll notice the way that she sets this up here, is it’s not forever. It’s just when there’s a critical need for it, and there’s gonna be a critical need for it next fall too when the new variant comes. So this is forever if you think about it in terms of the covid state of emergency will be fluctuating but never gone for good as far as the libs are concerned.

CLAY: Buck, I flew cross-country last night late, and I was watching, by the way, 1883 — a really good television show.

BUCK: Finally!

CLAY: It is very good. I caught up on Curb Your Enthusiasm. And I decided to test something. The Southwest Airlines has announced they’re bringing back alcohol on February 16th which is a sign whether you’re a drinker or not when you can get alcohol on an upper flight, things start to feel a little bit more normal, right?

I know there’s a lot of you out there who may have a little bit of nervousness about flying that alcohol that you can get on an airplane maybe makes the trip a little bit easier, all right? I decided to test something. So I just left my mask down below my nose for the entire flight. Now, I had a drink. You know, they brought a drink, and I had a little bit of a snack so I was eating that, but I was just sitting there watching my shows.

Not one mention the entire flight of how I needed to pull my mask up. I am telling you: I want every single person… I was just thinking, I think that they have sort of done away with the policy of aggressively sort of managing, “Oh, get your mask up!” How many times have you heard over the past two years, Buck, if you’ve been on an airplane, “Sir, mask back up,” you know, because drops down a little bit below your nose, certainly if it’s down below your mouth. Not one word.

And I think they’ve had a change in policy even though they haven’t announced it, they still say, “Hey, you have to have a mask,” everything else. But the idea that flight attendants are gonna be walking around obsessively telling you to pull up your mask? That era is over. Small, little rebellion, just pull it down to your face a little bit until you’re asked to pull it back up. Didn’t happen to me for a four-hour flight. Nobody mentioned a word to me.

BUCK: Are you…? Were we the only one with the mask? Maybe the airline attendants walking past said, like, “Hey, he’s that OutKick sports guy. He’s an anti-mask fundamentalist. Don’t mess with him.”

CLAY: (laughing)

BUCK: You know? Maybe they saw this; they realized that’s not a fight they necessarily want to have.

CLAY: I don’t want to get banned. If somebody asked me to pull up my mask, I’m gonna do it. I have to fly all over the country still. But I just think it’s an interesting way to test, are there still this rigorous implementation? I think people are over it. I really do. There’s 30% of people that are never gonna be over it. I think 70% of Americans have come, finally, to Team Sanity to Team Clay and Buck and I think you just have to push it a little bit, right, and tell people… I’m not saying defy it; get the flight pulled back to port, anything like that. I’m just saying, maybe don’t be that aggressive about making sure your mask is up when you’re at the airport or on an airplane.

BUCK: Everybody who is in a position to enforce this stupidity should take the opportunity to nullify the idiocy of Fauciism right now. Whether you’re a store owner or clerk or you’re in an airplane or whatever, you’re in the office, you’re an H.R., just don’t enforce this crap. Just don’t do it! It’s up to you. Just don’t do it. And guess what?

All of a sudden there will be this cascading effect of people realizing, “What are we doing here? What is this madness?” That’s what I think needs to happen. And Clay and I will continue to body slam the stupidity of the media apparatus and the Biden regime around it that are all acting like, “Oh, yeah, we did a great job. We’re gonna do this again!” Not on our watch.

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Poll: Canadian Support for Lifting Covid Rules Surges to 54%

7 Feb 2022

CLAY: This news just popped on social media. I’m reading directly from the Toronto Sun. Now, this poll has been out a few days now. But the latest poll — which was taken at the end of January — has found that 54% of Canadians now want all covid restrictions to be lifted, compared to just 39% who wanted the restrictions lifted when the same question was asked a few weeks before.

So this is the very end of January, maybe a week ago, and I bet the numbers have continued to move substantially. That is a 15-point swing. And this is significant because — Buck, I know you saw this — the numbers coming out right now even in Australia where they’re talking about opening up travel, even in so many of these different restrictive countries, even New Zealand, all of a sudden the tidal wave of sanity that we have been trying to drive home for…

Frankly, you and I have been talking about this for two years, almost, now. All of a sudden, it’s all coalescing, and I think the covid restrictions are going to be falling down massively all over the place. And this ties in with you were just talking about Bill Maher? Listen to what Bill Maher said. He’s a left-winger. Play cut 3. Even he is finally pointing out, “We can’t do this forever.” It took him awhile, but he’s on the right side, finally.

BUCK: All true, and I’m glad to see it’s catching on more, what I said weeks ago here on the show, Clay, when we were talking about it is child abuse, that people are doing things… If you hired a babysitter so you could go out on the weekends — go out on the weekend to dinner with the husband, the wife, whatever — and that babysitter made the child sit outside in 30-degree weather or 25-degree weather masked up to eat dinner, you would want that person arrested.

That’s been done in New York City public schools to kids for months. This is child abuse. It’s wrong. The Democrats are responsible for it. I still believe the biggest challenge for a lot of them to allow for what even Bill Maher sees here sees — it’s time to stop the lunacy — is they don’t want to admit that those evil, stupid Trump voters were right all along. You and me and all of our Clay and Buck tribe all across the country, we were right all along. And they don’t want to admit it. The libs in Santa Monica and northwest D.C. and Brooklyn, New York, et cetera, they don’t want to let it go.

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Bill Maher Correctly Analyzes Democrat Confusion

7 Feb 2022

BUCK: We had mentioned Bill Maher a couple times before. And really, clearly, he needs to have us both on. I’ve been on before, but you need to go on for your first time. We both would be fantastic guests for the Bill Maher show. It’d be my third. I enjoy it because I never get to fight with libs on air anywhere. They won’t have me anywhere.

CLAY: He really allows it, right?

BUCK: It’s really one of the only places where you actually have any exchange about any of this stuff. And, anyway, here is Bill Maher, though, on how the China… We just played that guy. What’s his name, the sports guy?

CLAY: J. A. Adande.

BUCK: Thank you.

CLAY: From ESPN.

BUCK: Mr. Adande from ESPN. Here’s Bill Maher saying, “Yeah, China is a confusing situation for the woke left because…” Remember when if you called it the Wuhan coronavirus, it was racist? If you criticize China at all in any respect, it’s racist. Here’s Maher.

BUCK: And they’re all Democrats, by the way, and leftists. You know, Bill has to always play this… He speaks the truth, but then he takes some shots at Trump people or whatever. These are Democrats who have that feeling and have that confusion. But his analysis of their confusion, Clay, is correct. That is why they don’t know.

CLAY: A hundred percent correct, Buck Sexton. Remember it’s all been whitewashed now, but when Trump announced the travel ban with China, what was the very first assault that he got? It was racist. The travel ban — which, by the way, has been completely endorsed by Joe Biden. But initially when Trump came out and said we’re not going to allow travel with China, the assault was racist. And remember — now Nancy Pelosi pretends she didn’t do it. Remember when she went to Chinatown, Buck, early in the talk about —

BUCK: Yes.

CLAY: — covid and like was like, “Oh, you need to hug Chinese people. There’s no risk at all,” and so she had the media follow her into Chinatown so that she could send a message about how racist Trump was. And, by the way, remember that short-lived storyline where everybody was racist against Asian people? Remember when early in 2021 they tried to pivot the Black Lives Matter and expand it into, “Oh, this is Asian hate!”

And then they realized that most of the Asian hate crimes were being committed by black men? And suddenly it was like, “Oh, well, Asian…” That story basically disappeared, right? I may have had it was all the attention in the wake of the shooting in Georgia. It was gonna be, “White supremecy is not just targeting black people. It’s also targeting Asian people!”

And then they started putting up the pictures and saying like, “Hey, can you help with the suspect here?” and they were overwhelmingly black people who were attacking Asian people, and that story just disappeared off the front pages. It went away that Asian hate storyline didn’t have the right perpetrator; and so it vanished. I do think this factors in.

If, for instance, Germany — which is what happened in 1936, Buck. If we were seeing this happen all over again with the Olympics, Germany is an easy attack, right, 1936, white people, they’re responsible, they’re the master race. Unless you’re Whoopi Goldberg; You don’t realize the racial component. But that paints them into a corner because it was racist to say the China virus, it was racist to talk about the fact that this came out of a Chinese lab and they don’t know how to responds to this genocide.

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ESPN Commentator: Who Are We to Judge China’s Genocide?

7 Feb 2022

CLAY: Friday on ESPN’s Around the Horn program, they were discussing the Winter Olympics. Winter Olympics are underway right now. Massive decline in the overall viewership. I think part of that is attributable for sure to this being China, and many people out there who would otherwise love the Olympics saying, “I just don’t feel like I can support China in any way,” and they had this discussion on Around the Horn. And this commentator, J. A. Adande — who is a top journalism professor at Northwestern University as well — said that he didn’t feel like he could judge Chinese genocide because of America’s voting bills. Listen to this.

CLAY: All right, Buck.

BUCK: Wow. Wow.

CLAY: Your reaction when you hear that… By the way, so you know, we wrote about this at OutKick as soon as one of my guys saw it. He said, “Oh, my God. Clay, you have to see this.” One of the top commentators at ESPN specifically said, “Hey, I’m not gonna talk about Chinese human rights abuses and genocide effectively because of police issues in America,” which we talked about, “and voting rights bills that are discriminatory against minorities in the United States.”

Now, let’s pretend, Buck, that even if those things were going on. We rightly point out, Derek Chauvin’s in prison, and we try to hold police accountable if and when they break the law. The voting rights bill thing is a total sham. But to argue that those are in any way the equivalent of Chinese genocide is actually direct Chinese propaganda. We asked ESPN for a comment on this on Friday when that aired. Buck, they refused to condemn it, they refused to comment on it in any way at all, and this is the kind of conversation that is taking place on a daily basis.

BUCK: Let’s just assume for a second here. What is this sports guy’s name? I’ve never heard of him before.

CLAY: J. A. Adande.

BUCK: J. A. Adande. Let’s assume Mr. Adande is establishing a principle here. Then we would have to assume that his belief would also be that we’re in no position to criticize the multigenerational concentration camps of North Korea where people are born in and die in concentration camps because of the political crimes of their parents or even their grandparents under the communist regime out of Pyongyang, out of North Korea.

You have to wonder, where does the line actually get drawn here? You can’t criticize genocide in China because of…? Also, think about the error in trying to equate these things? The actual state-sponsored policy of concentration camps of mass sterilization, of torture and political repression of millions of people — and voting rights issues?

I don’t know. I guess it is not possible to be so stupid in the sports media world that people will stop listening to you, because I will say — and would he deal with a lot of dumb things here. We play clips from The View on this show sometimes! That may be the dumbest thing I have heard this year so far, which is saying a lot.

CLAY: Buck, zero pushback on the show itself. Nobody else came on and said, “Well, you know, you’re comparing voting rights issues with genocide.” And the voting rights bill, by the way, is a total BS storyline, but think about this. Major League Baseball pulled the All-Star Game out of Atlanta over the Georgia voting bill. And all of these companies came out and said, “Oh, this is so brave!”

Remember we also asked Coke for a response because remember Coke came out — because they’re a based in Atlanta — and said, “Hey, yeah, we agree with the decision to hold Georgia accountable over this voting rights bill,” and so we reached out at OutKick, Buck, and we said, “Hey, Coke, you’re one of the primary sponsors of those people games that are going on right now in Beijing. Just wondering, have you condemned genocide in China?

“Because you said Major League Baseball was right to pull the All-Star Game away from the Braves, but yet with your giving all of this money to the Beijing Olympics and you aren’t saying a word about China. So explain to me how you can be supportive of the All-Star Game being pulled out of Atlanta but you’re not simultaneously also holding China accountable for genocide.” And this is emblematic, Buck, of the propaganda, and I wonder on some level, “Hey, is this coming from Disney?” that they’re so stupid that they would even make that argument and nobody would push back against it.

BUCK: There are two very big components of all this that I think — when everyone — when all of our people right now listening with us across the country keep in mind, it all adds up, right? I mean, yeah, it’s unprincipled, it’s ridiculous, it shows what a bunch of phonies they are. But you have to remember. The whole point of so much of the corporate virtue signaling that went on, let’s say, with Black Lives Matter as a movement was built around two things: virtue signaling and fear, right? You get points for this among your peers in America. People think if you’re the executive who’s running a company and you put out a statement… Remember some of the companies? I can’t even… I feel like Tide makes the detergent and they were saying, “We stand with Black Lives Matter!”

CLAY: No. I got an email from Chewy, ’cause we buy stuff for our animals. Do I need to know what the pet food company thinks about Black Lives Matter?

BUCK: But it’s important to establish this because we know that corporate America does pretend that it will mobilize on purely human rights and humanitarian grounds. But it’s a fraud, and that’s why the China thing is so interesting, because whether it’s ESPN or any number of other companies — and we’re talking about what’s going on in China to the Chinese people in terms of the repression, the one-child policy, forced sterilization.

You add on top of that as well — and that’s been going on for decades — the mass starvation of Mao’s Great Leap Forward and the Great Famine, in recent memory, folks. This is back in the sixties. It isn’t that long ago. You add all of this together, the crimes of the Chinese Communist Party and you say to yourself this is a monstrous regime and is still doing monstrous things today. Why not speak out against them?

Well, because corporations that mobilize in support of BLM, they want to look cool in front of their friends and peers, and they also don’t want to lose access to the Chinese market. Point here being, they don’t take a stand out of bravery. They’re actually taking a stand out of self-interest and all these companies that sit there now and say nothing about China are just exposing — at some level — their cowardice, actually.

Because why not do something here? Why not say that what’s going on in China is reprehensible? At least put out one of those… What did you say, Chewy? At least Chewy should put out a “we stand on human rights in China” so we know where Chewy stands on that issue. But, no, apparently not.

CLAY: Buck, by the way, does this stun you as somebody who hasn’t paid a lot of attention to sports? You would expect maybe a conversation like that to take place on MSNBC or CNN with one of their guest experts. But ESPN, this is ostensibly a sports network, and they are totally espousing Chinese propaganda, and many people out there watching it are not — let’s be honest — really paying attention to geopolitical issues. Which to me makes the propaganda land even better, right, because you aren’t realizing the impact of what you’re hearing.

BUCK: Oh, of course and this is why the control that the left has of entertainment and of Hollywood and of sports media, which I have learned a lot from you. I also remember a lot of conservatives were saying… See, Clay, I understand and respect that you want to fight for something you love.

CLAY: From the inside, yes.

BUCK: You don’t want to hand over the NFL and the NBA to the woke mob to ruin and destroy forever. I get that. I never had quite a love for these things; so when I see what’s going on here, I’m just out, right? I choose to non-participate in those things. I remember there were a lot of people on the right who felt that way about two years ago and they’ve now, oh, you know, now it’s all fine.

But sports media is absolutely an effective tool for propaganda because a lot of people don’t realize that they’re being preached to on these issues. And of course, this is the old Jon Stewart routine on The Daily Show. “Oh, I’m going to give you all this political propaganda,” and then when we push back it’s, “Oh, come on. He’s just a sports guy or gal,” “Oh, come on!” With Jon Stewart it was, “I’m just a comedian man.

“There are people doing crank phone calls before me.” Really? Because you interviewed the secretary of defense under Bush and if you tell him on the hot seat and wanted to be taken seriously. You know, Jon Stewart was clown nose on/clown nose off, and I think people realize there’s a dishonesty in that. You see a lot of it in the sports media, too.

CLAY: All the time.

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This Must Be the Year Leftist Authoritarianism Loses Big

7 Feb 2022

CLAY: Late last night — for some of you who may have missed this — Spotify’s CEO came out and basically wrote a long-form piece where he essentially said, “Hey, we’re gonna contribute $100 million more towards different” I guess less distributed potentially “minority programming.” But I was having a conversation — like I bet a lot of you were as well — about cancel culture in the wake of Whoopi Goldberg and sort of the chaos of the past week and everybody coming for Joe Rogan.

The Rock, who a lot of you know — Dwayne Johnson — initially comes out and says that he’s supportive of Rogan and then he changes his mind and then people start going through all of the Rock’s comments over the years and pointing out that he said a lot of “questionable” — and I’m using my quotation mark fingers there — things over the years in WWE and online. A lot of clips.

Buck, I know you saw this. Howard Stern — who now is in the good graces of the woke community — wore blackface and used really kind of unbelievable language in multiple skits. Those video feeds were circulating on Twitter. So, I had this conversation with my wife, and I bet a lot of people out there did as well. Spotify is interesting. Are you a subscriber to Spotify, Buck? Do you pay for a subscription on Spotify right now?

BUCK: I do.

CLAY: Okay. So, they have like 100 million people out there who subscribe to Spotify. My wife —

BUCK: I greatly prefer the iHeart app, however.


CLAY: (laughs) My wife will look a lot of times — because she does training and everything else — to see what songs are trending. And she pointed out that while people are supposedly outraged by Joe Rogan, well over half of the top artists on any given day use the N-word in their songs or their rap music or whatever else with virtually no discussion of it at all, and even if you want to take a step back and say, “Okay, let’s avoid the use of the N-word,” the lyrics of many rap songs are wildly misogynistic.

What was so fascinating was, the left, if you remember, Buck… Remember the 2 Live Crew battle that went all the way to the Supreme Court over what was and was not considered to be explicit lyrics? Even back in the day, if you remember, NWA and their song Cop Killer and what was permissible and what was not. And if you remember, creative artists at that time stood up for other creative people and said, “Music shouldn’t be censored.”

Now you have those same artists coming out against Joe Rogan and saying not only should this guy be censored, many of them are saying that his product itself shouldn’t even be distributed! I just think it’s an interesting window into the transition in the creative space over what is considered to be acceptable and even what creative people are willing to say that now they are the censorious forces in our culture.

BUCK: Yeah, ’cause I don’t believe, Clay, that these were ever rooted in any of these individuals in actual principle. I think that they were, one, benefiting from it at the time — and, two, they were trying to tear down a power structure that they then seek to supplant with their own. You look at leftists… By the way, we’re talking in some places about people — whether it’s Joni Mitchell or Howard Stern — who became incredibly wealthy by attacking the establishment.

Under the idea that it was about free speech and freedom, who are now the same people — I’m not even just saying the same political party, the same people — who are advocates of that censorship. So I think that there was a falseness to it. It’s a little bit like somebody who advocates for democracy — One vote, one person, one time, right? Once they’re in power, all of a sudden the rules all change.

I think you’re seeing that with the way that a lot of people who, as I said, became very rich and very influential have now decided that it wasn’t really about freedom. It was about the freedom that they want and now denying freedom to other people in what they’re able say and just to on the usage of “the word” that we’re all not allowed to say — or, rather, some people are not allowed to say.

This is a little bit like the way that you have to mask up on planes or else. You can’t say this word in any context if you are outside of the black community or else you risk the destruction of your career, being kicked out of public life and everyone saying you’re horrible and a racist. When I say, “In any context,” as you have and I have talked about, a court stenographer reading back people will get upset at someone?

You are to replace the word you’re not allowed to say. I disagree in principle that there can be words that some people are allowed to say in any context always and however they want, and other people — if they even say the word, not in a context as a pejorative or to attack somebody — if they merely quote someone, their life should be destroyed. This is about power, friends. This is about who has it and who doesn’t.

But you cannot believe in the First Amendment and free speech as a principle and think that there can be words that people are banned from using in any context entirely on pain of, you know, destruction of who they are as a person and in society. It’s crazy when you think about it, and there’s no other word for which this is the rule.

CLAY: Right. We have FCC restrictions as the biggest radio show in the country. So there are all different sorts of words that we’re not allowed to say on the radio, based on that. But, Buck, when I wrote my most recent book, I quoted Muhammad Ali. It’s called Republicans Buy Sneakers Too and it’s about how left-wing and woke ideology took over the world of sports which used to unite us all. My editor said, “Hey, are you sure you want to quote Muhammad Ali?

“You’re a white guy, but he uses the N-word,” and I said, “That’s a famous Muhammad Ali quote. (laughs) Yes! I mean, it distracts. “If I curse in the book…” and I didn’t curse that much in the book, but I’m like, “We don’t do dash, dash, dash on the pages of the book. The goal is to talk to people as adults.” And, Buck, where I would say I’m so fascinated by — sort of let’s say — the interplay between Joe Rogan and Howard Stern.

Howard Stern, if you watched Private Parts, if you studied anything that he did, was wildly more offensive than anything Joe Rogan has ever said. I think what happens is, the culture has evolved. Howard Stern knows all the things that he did in his past. He sees the power of cancel culture, and I believe a guy like Howard Stern has made a calculated decision to go far left wing as an effort to try to get what we’ll call “woke insurance.”

Because if he’s out there saying Donald Trump is the worst human being who has ever lived — even though, by the way, he had Donald Trump on his radio show all the time back in the day — then he believes that the cancel culture maniacs are not going to come for him, because he’s on the right team. I see this all the time in creative industry.

I see it in the sports world where people privately will say, “Hey, Clay, I agree with everything you say,” and then publicly they are a part of the woke sports community because they are all afraid that at some point, the woke universe is going to come for them. So even if they don’t believe it, they genuflect at the altar of wokeness to try to protect the jobs that they have. And I think that’s why so much of our society today is complete BS, because people say lies all the time.

BUCK: When I speak to friends of mine about this — and taking into account everything we talk about today, Clay, whether it’s covid madness or cancel culture and the impact of it. Remember, the woke control the apparatus of communication in this country more than at any time, honestly, in living memory with social media and now even something like Spotify, which is supposed to just be a platform for music and podcasts but, you know, now they’re supposed to act as editors. They pulled dozens of Joe Rogan episodes already.

CLAY: Hundreds! They pulled over a hundred episodes.

BUCK: I see it and I wonder. I ask the question within just in general, “Are we really a free country anymore?” You have to really think about that a little bit more now than we have in a long time after the shutdown of churches during covid, after the mask restrictions and the stay-at-home orders and people now losing their jobs for this or that, whether it’s not getting a vaccine or saying the wrong thing.

You know, we think of ourselves as a free country. Is Australia — and this is what I say to them. Is Australia a free country? ‘Cause I would argue no. I think that that’s pretty clear. So why do we think that we are still a free country? And I really mean this. I want to push people on this. I want them to think more about it, because going back to just getting some crumbs from the freedom table here is not good enough.

We need a full-on counterpunch. We need a counterstrike against the madness of the last few years, and I really think in many ways the left was broken by Trump, and then as a result of it, it’s very hard to find common ground. Even someone like a Bill Maher, for example, is almost an aberration these days. He’s a lib. He’s climate change-obsessed guy, in many ways right along with the Democrat Party, obviously very pro-choice and all these other things and was a fan in the early days of Biden and he’s gonna shut down covid.

Clay, he just says things that should be painfully obvious to anyone now, and mainstream Democrats look at him like he’s crazy because I think we have fallen into a place where we are certainly not as free a country as we used to be. And I’m not even sure you could say these days it really is a free country.

CLAY: Well, that’s why 2022 is so important, Buck. That’s why 2022 has to be an utter destruction, because there have to be consequences for your kids having to wear masks for two years even though it made no sense. There have to be consequences for the labeling of essential and nonessential businesses. There have to be consequences for all of the failures of the Biden administration.

Because if there are not, then lies — defund the police, all of these things that were 100% wrong, then we don’t have a civil society because you have to hold politicians accountable when they make poor decisions. That’s the entire purpose of democracy. And so, to me, 2022 has to be a destruction. And, by the way, think about how far we’ve come, Buck.

Remember George Carlin, seven words you can’t say on TV? That was what comedy was. It pushed boundaries of acceptability, and the masses embraced them. Now the same people of that George Carlin era are arguing the Joe Rogans of the world or the Buck Sextons or the Clay Travises are not able to say everything that they believe because it makes some people out there feel a little bit sad or it forces them to examine the cognitive dissonance underlying much of their belief system.

That’s what the marketplace of ideas should do. That’s why regardless of whether you agree or disagree with someone… I don’t agree with Whoopi Goldberg. He was an idiot, Buck, but we had a discussion as a nation point out her idiocy, and I think as a result the nation grew. I don’t think she should be suspended. I don’t think she should be canceled, but I think the marketplace of ideas should flourish.

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The Horrendous Death Toll of Black Lives Matter

7 Feb 2022

BUCK: The first year of the Biden administration was a disaster. We saw that. We all saw it; we’re all aware. The polls reflect it. I mean, they can’t even make a strong case otherwise. On the economy, they try to convince everyone that, “Well, when you end a shutdown, that’s like a job created!” So, when you say restaurants are all shut down, you have to fire a whole lot of people and then the state comes in or the federal government or whomever comes in and says, “Okay, now you can open up. Look at us! We’re amazing job creators.”

If I show up and burn down someone’s house and then a month later, I show up with some plywood and say, “I’m gonna build you a new one,” I don’t think that makes me a great builder. But that’s what the Biden administration is effectively arguing right now about jobs. But there are so many places. One of the things I want you to be prepared for on the covid fight, they want to tell you the  story, “Thank you so much, everyone.

“You did everything we wanted you to do and finally we’re gonna let your kids breathe normally in New York, New Jersey, California.” In other places, they’ve already been living with freedom around that issue. But understand this. They’re not getting rid of masks. Clay’s just been on a flight this weekend; I was on a flight this weekend. Until they demask on planes, it’s not gone, it’s not over, it’s just in a moment of recession.

The madness is at a moment of recession, but it has not gone altogether. We have to push until it’s gone altogether. There’s also the issue of crime in the country and what has been happening here. And you can feel it walking the streets of New York City. You can certainly feel it in Houston for all of our people down there in Houston, Texas, where you’ve had more murders — and this was a stunning statistic.

In month of January, there were more murders in Houston than in Chicago, New York, or Los Angeles, all cities with bigger population and certainly Chicago known to be a place with far too many murders when you look at per capita analysis. But, Clay, this was stunning over the weekend. Biden’s first year in office saw 73 police officers killed, the most deaths since 1995.

The last time… This was analysis in the New York Post, and hat tip to Mark Moore for pulling it together. You had the most cops killed since 1995. The last time this many have been killed in a one-year period, it was 1987. We’re having to go back decades here to see a time when there were this many shootings. It feels like the gains of the criminal justice system and of safety for the American people have been handed away in the blink of an eye, and we all know what happened here.

We all know what caused this. It was a combination, but the real beginnings of it: BLM, which created a moral panic the Democrats used to defeat Donald Trump but also a moral panic that corporate America went along with. “Oh, my gosh. BLM, we all need to have a national conversation.” BLM is rooted — and I’ve been to many BLM protests covering them as a person in the media.

BLM is rooted in the fundamental lie that young black men are killed by police without consequence due to racism frequently in America, and that is representative of law enforcement. Essentially cops are racist murderers. They chant that at some of these rallies. They’ll actually say, “What do we want? No more racist cops! When did we want it? Now!”

This is the stuff that they say, Clay. And then you add that to bail reform, i.e., let people out, including dangerous people, you add it to less prosecution of dangerous individuals to a more permissive environment in the prosecutor’s office for criminals all across the country. A lot of people have been hurt and we’ve lost a lot of law enforcement officers because they were undermined in their jobs by reckless, feckless Democrats who saw political advantage in it.

CLAY: The George Floyd video was treated as if it was representative of interactions between police and black men all over the country. It was not. And again, to your point, the Washington Post database tracks every shooting that has happened by police — and the data reflects that 75% of people shot and killed by police are white, Asian, or Hispanic.

Almost all men, by the way. Nobody ever says that the police are sexist, even though almost all violent perpetrators who are shot and killed by police or killed are being done so because of the violent nature of their actions but the George Floyd video directly led, and the protests, directly led to thousands of innocent people being detailed all over America, both police and civilians inside of many of our cities.

And that was because of the fundamental lie that the George Floyd incident represented what was a reality for many people, even though the reason why it was a news story is because it was an outlier. And, by the way, Buck, there’s still been no indication directly that Chauvin or any of the other officers were motivated by racial animus in their actions.

In other words, if George Floyd had been Hispanic or if he had been white, there hasn’t been any suggestion that the treatment would have been any different at all. And so many people — and this is the great struggle that we see across all of social media life now. Buck, so many people are terrified of being called racist if they don’t stand up and say, “Hey, you know what?

“I think that the officers deserve to be put on trial, but I don’t think that all police officers are evil.” So many companies — every company that you’ve ever spent money with — sent you out an email about BLM. Everybody got in line behind the idea of BLM. Even all of the lockdowners, the Dr. Faucis of the world totally threw away the idea of lockdowns and said, “Hey, you know what? These protests are legitimate!

“I know we’ve been telling you to stay at home and not gather in crowds, but this is such an important incident that we’re going to throw away every aspect of lockdown-based decision-making in favor of this,” and the result has been that we spun, basically since 1994 the idea that people who commit crimes of violence need to be in prison. We totally turn them into the victims, and we turn police into the perpetrators, and the natural result is crime has skyrocketed, murders have soared, and many innocent people are dead because we failed in our societal response as a nation.

BUCK: There are murals, in fact, all over the world where George Floyd is represented as effectively a civil rights hero, a martyr, an icon for justice. That’s how they depict him. George Floyd, just for starters, was guilty of — and served time for — a home invasion during which he pointed a loaded firearm at the belly of a pregnant woman. But there are murals depicting him as a martyr and as a hero.

And so you have to sit around and ask yourself, “What are law enforcement officers really to think of a situation where they’re so undermined in their work and the people who rely on the protection — and even the very wealthy enclaves that Democrats control, the line of protection law enforcement provides them — just feel like, “If it doesn’t affect me, if it just affects people that I pretend to care about when I’m going on TV and making my millions of dollars or doing my podcast and getting paid all this money by sponsors,” whatever these libs are doing, they don’t care, Clay. They don’t care what’s happening in minority majority neighborhoods where shootings are through the roof. Doesn’t matter to them.

CLAY: It also points to a larger fallacy, which you just mentioned as George Floyd’s criminal history. Many people if you even suggest that say, “You can’t even bring that up! Because of what happened to him, his history doesn’t matter.” Yet look at what cancel culture is rooted in? The same people who are saying, “You can’t talk about George Floyd’s criminal history” as a part of the larger context of understanding what his behavior may or may not have been influenced by, are simultaneously saying Joe Rogan can’t have his podcast on Spotify because of something he did years ago.

So you’re willing to cancel a guy for what he might have said on his podcast years ago, but you aren’t willing to even allow a discussion of the past criminal history of George Floyd. Think about that. We’re not saying… Imagine if Joe Rogan had previously been arrested multiple times for violent acts. That, to me, is a distinction here. You’re saying actions don’t matter as they pertinent George Floyd for his past history, but you’re saying words for Joe Rogan do matter. It’s a flaw of logic on a seismic level.

BUCK: The Democrats’ narrative of criminal justice over the last 18 months — and coinciding, really, largely with the pandemic. It started in June of 2020. The George Floyd incident set so much of this in motion — George Floyd’s killing — and remember, that officer is now decades in prison for that, but the narrative is still, “Cops do this all the time!”

It’s clearly not, by the way, by the numbers. It’s actually quite rare for law enforcement to shoot an unarmed black man in America today, if you care about data and numbers, which the Democrats — whether it’s on masks or police-involved shootings or whatever, the numbers they don’t actually look at. They make it up as they go along but they decided somehow as a society — or I should say, the Democrats decided as a society — cops are the root of violence in cities, which is crazy.

Letting violent felons out more frequently with less punishment is going to result in safer streets, which is crazy. You go down the list of everything that they did as well as the riots that went on for months creating a sense of lawlessness in these cities. It’s honestly a shame, and the American people who didn’t see this for what it was in the 2020 election should feel some shame — at least with regard to their judgment — that they didn’t see what a big, pandering atrocity the Democrats were engaged in in that year. It was just all about defeating Trump and all about getting the vote out, and a lot of racism virtue signaling.

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Clay appeared on Hannity with Judge Jeanine Pirro to discuss the catastrophic damage done by lockdowns and masking that provided no health benefit but sure did give leftists more power and reward their key donors.

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Sen. Cruz on the Olympics, the Border and Hypocrite Dems

4 Feb 2022

CLAY: Senator Cruz, first of all, it was good hanging out with you this past weekend. We got the Olympics starting today, and we already have American media and global media helping to whitewash the situation in China. I know you’re a sports fan like me. What is your perception of how you’re going to watch the Winter Olympics?

Do you think American sports spans should boycott this to try to send a message? What’s the appropriate response if you don’t agree with bending the knee to China and allowing Beijing to host these games, but you’re also a fan of sports? I think that’s a tough dynamic for a lot of people to figure out.

SEN. CRUZ: Well, it is a tough dynamic, and by far the best option would have been to move the Olympics out of Beijing. That’s what should have happened.

CLAY: Yes.

SEN. CRUZ: I think it was a serious mistake of the International Olympic Committee not moving it. Given that they didn’t, we faced a choice, and there are really three things we could have done. We could have boycotted the Olympics altogether. We could have kept our athletes home, and there was a strong argument for that. The problem with that is that ends up really hurting the athletes, hurting young men and women, Americans when you’ve spent years, often decades training for this moment.

And it’s not very effective. We saw Jimmy Carter do that, boycott the Olympics, and all it did was hurt a generation of American athletes. It didn’t accomplish what was trying to be accomplished. The second option, which seems to be the option that we’re doing, is to go and have the American press and American companies basically be apologists for the Chinese communists and praise China. I think that’s a disgraceful outcome, and it certainly seems to be the path we’re on right now.

Option three, which is the one that I think makes sense, is to allow our athletes to compete and to cheer them on to win, but at the same time use this moment of the eyes of the world on China to shine a spotlight on their atrocities — to shine a spotlight on their murder, on their torture, on their genocide. One million Uyghurs in concentration camps!

To shine a spotlight on China’s direct culpability for covid-19, which the evidence overwhelmingly suggests escaped from a Chinese government lab in Wuhan, China. Use this opportunity to speak the truth to power — and at least so far, NBC is failing the test badly. And I think every American who has a microphone should use this moment to shine the light of truth and justice on the Chinese human rights atrocities.

BUCK: Senator Cruz, it’s Buck. There was that video that was leaked from last week of some members of Border Patrol down in Laredo, Texas, and they were just upset, understandably, at the fact that the Biden administration just keeps making it effectively not only impossible for them to do their jobs, but undermines their jobs by not having any interior enforcement after people have crossed illegally into the country.

Everyone I talk to — including some folks who live down at the border — says that this year we’re just gonna see a replay of last year, which was the all-time high, at least for the last 20 years. Some are saying all time since they’ve been able to bring these numbers together for illegal crossings. Is that your expectation for 2022? And do you think that the Biden administration — do you think the Democrats more generally — are gonna pay a political price for this as long as we can get people to focus on we have effectively a de facto open border?

SEN. CRUZ: Well, tragically, I do think we’re gonna continue to see it rise, and the reason for the rise is as the direct consequence of political decisions made by Joe Biden and Kamala Harris. Rewind the clock 13 months. Let’s go back to the end of 2020. At the end of 2020, the end of the Trump presidency we had the lowest rate of illegal immigration in 45 years. We’ve enacted policies that were working, and we were making major progress toward solving this problem.

Joe Biden and Kamala Harris came in in January of 2021, and they immediately implemented three policy decisions. They immediately halted construction of the border wall, number one. They immediately reinstituted the failed policy of catch-and-release, number two. And they ended the incredibly successful Remain in Mexico international agreement.

The consequences of those three decisions were that we immediately saw this explosion of illegal immigrants — so much so that last year, in 2021, we had more than two million people cross illegally. We had the highest rate of illegal immigration in 61 years. So we went in a year from the lowest rate in 45 years to the highest rate in 61 years.

It is because of political decisions made by Joe Biden and Kamala Harris. And I gotta tell you, those Border Patrol agents? I know a lot of the agents. I spent a lot of time on the border, a lot of time with those agents. “Frustrated” doesn’t begin to capture where they are. They are furious. They’re out of their minds because they’re risking their lives trying to protect this country.

They’re risking their lives apprehending human traffickers, drug traffickers, dangerous criminals. They bring them in and their political superiors in the Biden administration turn around and let them go again — and they do it over and over and over again. It is wrong, and it is producing incredible chaos, incredible crime, incredible risk to our national security. And it’s a health risk on top of all of that.

CLAY: Senator Cruz, I know you’ve got a couple of daughters. I’ve got three young kids myself. When you see the mayor of L.A., the mayor of San Francisco, and the governor of California all flouting California’s mask rule to attend a 49ers-Rams football game in an 80,000-seat or such stadium — and then they’re making every kid in California wear masks all day long, even outdoors — how furious would you be at that if that were your kids and that was the hypocrisy of your state?

And what do you think those parents in California should be doing as a result of what I think is massively ratcheted-up pressure on those California officials after that photo, including the mayor of L.A. saying, Well, he was “holding his breath,” so there’s no real danger.

SEN. CRUZ: Well, you know, he was clearly following Bill Clinton’s talking points —

CLAY: (laughing)

SEN. CRUZ: — when, you know, Bill Clinton said he smoked pot, he just didn’t inhale. So, you know, Garcetti, he just didn’t breathe. He was there but no breathing was allowed so it was all fine. What a load of crap! I mean, it is these Democrat covid totalitarians — these petty tyrants — are complete and utter hypocrites. They know what they’re saying is garbage. They ignore it routinely.

Remember the governor of California before had seen swanky fundraiser at the French Laundry where he’s there with rich Democrats. They’re all crowded indoors, they have no masks, they’re hugging. Look, Barack Obama’s birthday party, 60th birthday party at Martha’s Vineyard. Rich Democrats dancing, boogying on the dance floor. No masks anywhere!

They know it’s a crock. In the United States Senate, Democratic Senators solemnly put on their masks when they walk outside, when they’re near reporters, when they’re in public sight. When they get behind closed doors, they take their damn masks off. They know it’s garbage! It’s purely… Well, actually they may be right. There is scientific evidence that suggests that the covid virus reacts to TV cameras.

CLAY: (laughing)

SEN. CRUZ: It’s apparently much more dangerous when you turn a TV camera on. When you turn it off, it has no danger. But there’s something about microwaves. All right, I’m sorry. I’m gonna get your show banned because they’re gonna say that’s fake news —

CLAY: (laughing)

SEN. CRUZ: — because satire and irony is not understandable in today’s world anymore.

BUCK: Senator Ted Cruz of Texas. Sir, thanks for hanging out with us on Clay and Buck. Always illuminating.

SEN. CRUZ: Thank you guys. Thank you for speaking the truth in a time of madness. The good news is people’s eyes are opening up all over the country, and November is going to be a red, red wave. We’re gonna turn the country around.

CLAY: Amen.

BUCK: Love it. Get out the surfboards. Thanks so much, Senator.

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You Gotta Hear This Fired-Up Virginia Mom

4 Feb 2022

CLAY: Buck, I saw this yesterday. I tweeted it out. I love the number of moms and dads that are standing up at school boards and making really detailed, really fact-based arguments about why their kids shouldn’t be wearing masks. And the battleground now has shifted to Northern Virginia, Loudoun County — the Arlington area, for those of you who are familiar with that geography — just across the Potomac from the Washington, D.C., area.

Very highly educated, wealthy suburbs of Washington, D.C. Now, data came out. We talked… Was it Tuesday we talked to The Atlantic writer who was so fantastic? She and several other doctors had written a piece saying that masks made no sense in schools. Well, since that article, one of the areas she cited was where I live, Buck — Davidson County, which is Nashville; Williamson County, which is Franklin-Brentwood directly south.

Williamson County, you remember, Buck, back in August I went and made the argument against masks. My kids haven’t been masked all year. That hasn’t been a mandate. Parents can choose. The data after six months? There is virtually no difference between the rate of covid infectious in Davidson County for kids, which mandates masks, and in Williamson County, which allows parents to choose.

It’s an open-and-shut case. But six months of data is pretty compelling. There’s actually a little bit lower rate of covid in Williamson County where you don’t have a mask requirement than Davidson — and, by the way, parents can still put their kids in masks if they want. There’s just no requirement.

BUCK: Isn’t it fascinating that we’ve gone to a point now where they just have to outright ignore all of the data?

CLAY: Yes.

BUCK: We don’t even have competing data sets on masking. I think we mostly have competing political ideologies and egos going on here. As we discussed yesterday, people don’t want to admit that the savages like you and me and others like us who have been saying this from the beginning, folks —

CLAY: Yes.

BUCK: — we were anti-maskers before being an anti-masker was cool — that we’ve been right all along. And we can always explain it too. I never thought it was some super risky, genius maneuver to see through this. It was pretty obvious if you thought about it, if you just pushed away the propaganda. But notice that now the data sets line up in such a way that they can’t even make a case, Clay, and they ignore it.

Early on there were stories or there were analyses saying that masking would bring it down 60%, 80%. “You’d be talking about massive reductions in the spread of the virus if only people masked!” That turned out to be so entirely untrue that now there are good data sets that somehow show mask mandatory schools have higher rates of covid than non-mask mandatory schools.

This reminds me a little bit of… I always like the game, what is the dumbest thing we’ve had to do during covid? Because it’s tough. There’s serious competition on it, right? We know that there’s a whole lot of things. The plastic dividers, you know? The plexiglass dividers that they have in restaurants and sometimes they have at stores and stuff?

The most recent science on that suggests that because it disrupts air flows and creates pockets of concentrated air that it might actually — not a lot, but — make covid spread a little worse. So that’s the kind of thing, the kind of shift we’ve had to go through here where things that people were doing not only didn’t help but might have even made things a little worse and that’s the truth I think with masking.

CLAY: My two biggest anger moments in covid, one — as a parent — was when they put crime scene tape on outdoor playgrounds, legitimately as if there had been a series of murders! A lot of parents know what I’m talking about. They put crime scene tape and closed all of the playgrounds, and then the other one is still going on in many places.

I’m going to L.A. this weekend for the Super Bowl. I’ll be out in L.A. all next week. Buck, you’re in New York City. There’s still tons of restaurants that require you to wear a mask to enter the restaurant, and then remove the mask as soon as you sit down. I mean, the fact that that still exists — and remember, Biden said last year when he took over, if everybody just wore a mask for a hundred days, covid would go away.

And somehow that clip doesn’t get rebrought up again and again and again. But this has been so clearly and transparently not what the science supports for a long time. Yet we’re still doing it. Yesterday we talked to the guy in Washington whose business has been shut down. They’re still requiring you in Washington to walk in with a mask until you sit down.

BUCK: Those of us who remember what was said earlier on about this also know that they’ve set all these benchmarks and used all these justifications for many of these policies — the masking most notably — that now they just ignore what they said before, and that’s part of a that drives so many insane — including, as Clay just mentioned, this mom in Loudoun County.

CLAY: Oh, so good.

BUCK: She is a fired up mama bear because understand this: She’s speaking to the same school superintendent in the same place as she did a year ago, and a year ago it was basically, “Blame the governor. Not my fault!” Now it’s, “The governor doesn’t get to tell us what to do”? Hold on a second. Listen to what she says. Play that clip.

BUCK: I’m doing back flips in here.

CLAY: Oh, Buck! I think that’s Prince William County. At least that’s what it says in our rundown. It’s somewhere in the Virginia northern area, my understanding is, that mom. We need to get her name to give her credit. You need to watch all three minutes. Did you watch all three minutes?

BUCK: Oh, yeah.

CLAY: She got three minutes to speak. I tweeted this clip out and I retweeted it again this morning. Only had three minutes. Maybe the best, um…

BUCK: (laughing)

CLAY: (laughing) I got some jokes I could make. It’s the best three minutes of work that I have seen in a long time, all right? She completely destroyed the arguments that have been laid out about why kids need to wear masks, factually, passionately, scientifically. It was a clinic.

And I love the reaction from the other moms and dads in the crowd (laughing) when she’s making her points. If you listen to the whole three minutes, it’s phenomenal. But, Buck, we are winning this battle — and we need to add on more steam. Parents out there, grandparents, kids, we need to keep up the pressure because these things are finally starting to crumble.

BUCK: You don’t have to be a scientist to understand, you don’t have to be a doctor to understand what’s going on here, everybody. You all understand this sitting hear with me and Clay. You know exactly what’s going on because just like I said before when I spent some time working with law enforcement the NYPD. Some of the old, grizzled veterans say, “You just looking for the lie. That’s all you gotta do: You look for the lie.”

Because why is someone lying to you? There’s never a good reason, really — or if there is some reason, you gotta find out what it is. You look for the lie. These people who have put these mandates in place who have said it’s based in fact and science, she keep having to lie more and more and more and more and more and more.

The fact that you had here a school superintendent who said, “Were it not for the governor, I would take the kids out of masks,” and now that same school district is saying, “Yeah, sorry! I know there’s a new governor, but we’re not taking the kids out of masks.” That’s all you really have to know. That’s all you have to know about what you’re dealing with and who you are a dealing with here.

They keep lying to you, which is why we have to keep the pressure on, because they know. I mean, Clay, could you imagine, I would love someone to try to come on this show, I mean literally anyone, give me a double PhD MD from Oxford and Stanford on masking; he or she will get smoked. They will get smoked on this show — and they know it.

CLAY: And sometimes, Buck — and I think this is important. I think you’ve made an argument well, and I think we need to reinforce it. Some people say, “Well, why do you focus on masking?” The answer is because it is the foundational lie. If masking doesn’t work, which it doesn’t, and you can prove that it has to be removed?

To me, every other restriction, social distancing, indoor behave, everything else crumbles if masking is taken away, right? There’s nothing else there. It’s the symbol. It is the symptom of the contagion of insanity that is spread in this country. We have to destroy masking and masking kids at school is a fundamental essence of that that we need to tear apart.

BUCK: I’m gonna tell everybody we have not won this fight — and I don’t care where you are in the country. We have not won this fight until not a single kid is forced to be in a mask anywhere and not a single person on an airplane. That’s gonna be quite a battle too. Not a single person on an airplane is forced, like a moron, to wear a mask. Remember, it’s always between bites, folks. It’s never actually a sealed mask. So when they tell you about laboratory studies and blah, blah?

Real-world studies with control groups universally prove how stupid this is, and it is the gateway drug to all Fauci lunacy. We’ll come back into more of this moment. We got Alex Berenson joining us to talk Israel data, by the way, everybody. I don’t even have a good explanation for it, and I sit here and… I mean, Alex will talk to us. They have the worst numbers they’ve ever had. Someone explain that. Worst covid infection numbers in the state of — in the country of Israel they’ve ever had.

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