Buck’s CIA-Style Analysis of the Situation in Ukraine

14 Feb 2022

CLAY: First of all, I want to ask you two questions because you’ve had a lot of experience in international politics and international affairs of this nature. One, what would Putin get by going basically all the way to the edge of invading Ukraine and not do it? In other words, what could his motive be to make us all think that he’s going to do that and then not do it? That’s one.

Two, how much do you think the failure of America’s withdrawal from Afghanistan has enabled and emboldened many of our adversaries around the world because it sent the message of American militaristic incompetence? Is that part of the fact analysis here if you are Russia and certainly if you’re China as well?

BUCK: Yeah, let me take these in reverse order. This is a remarkable — ’cause, Clay, when you talk about law school, for example, in CIA training there’s some of the training we do that involves stuff that you have to know for the field — driving cars, shooting guns, all that stuff — and then there’s analytic training. One of the things you go through is looking at a situation just like this. Is this a war? Is this a feint? Is this an incursion?

So, this is obviously not a drill, this is real, but it does bring back a lot of the analytic tradecraft that would have been applied in those situations to try to get people to be able to at least anticipate most of the enemy’s possible movements here. On your second point first, look, all you have to do is look at a timeline of when do the Russians get really aggressive — and I know it’s counterintuitive because we had Russia, Russia, Russia talk. “Trump was a Putin puppet.” All lies. It was all nonsense as we know.

CLAY: Russia took no aggressive actions, by and large, while Trump was in office.

BUCK: We had U.S. forces blow up 200 Russian paramilitaries in the desert in Syria for threatening our Kurdish allies, and we also sent Javelin anti-tank missiles and Dragunov sniper rifles to the Ukrainian national army specifically to create a greater hostile response if the Russians invade, which the Obama National Security Council refused to do because it was “too provocative.” So that’s the reality of the Trump era.

But go back to Obama, what happened with the Crimea referendum and the start of the war in Donbas and now the possibility here. You have a Democrat president; Russia gets aggressive in Ukraine. Another Democrat president, Russia gets aggressive in Ukraine. You can’t ignore these things. That’s to your question, Clay. You’re asking ’cause you can see it too. It’s clearly there.

On the first part of this, what does Putin get? There’s the nuts and bolts of will there be some kind of concessions? How does this deal with NATO membership? Nord Stream 2 pipeline issues, future pipeline issues. There’s a lot of how Russia could try to view this as an opportunity to expand its influence and essentially get concessions through diplomatic means. By the way, that is the hope right now.

CLAY: Yes.

BUCK: I don’t think that’s actually what’s going on here but that would be for a lot of reasons the best possible scenario, I think, but then it’s gonna be what else could he be gaining from this if he were to go in, now you’re looking at more Russia irredentism. Russia wanting the lost land, so to speak, of the Soviet Union. Russia thinks that it needs to be the grand player on the world stage in this region, a leader in Eurasia. Uniting the Russian-speaking peoples.

You get, Clay, more into almost Russian national and spiritual narrative. Now, whether the Russian people feel or agree with that or not, that’s the way Putin frames it. Essentially, for Putin this is about strategic depth, if he goes in and reestablishing — as horrific as this is to say and sound, in Putin’s mind. I think it’s meant to be reestablishing Russian greatness in the region. That’s you how you do that, by invading a friendly neighboring country? Yes. That’s his mind-set.

CLAY: And do you know whose mind-set that sounds like? Sounds like Germany in World War II, because the historical relevance there is Germany got its ass kicked in World War I, and the German people were humiliated. Hitler rose to power on the idea of, “I’m going to restore German excellence,” right, “I’m going to bring back that dominance that we used to have,” and that was the undergirding appeal of Hitler’s rise.

And certainly, you could analogize the collapse of Russia under Gorbachev, Yeltsin, eventually Putin coming to power as the Russian equivalent of World War I and now going into Crimea and going into Ukraine is an element of that, right? It’s about establishing Russian nationalistic dominance and making the people of Russia feel good about Mother Russia again in a way that they have not since they were humiliated on the global stage with collapse of the Cold War.

BUCK: That’s one thing, Clay. That’s a critical point. That’s one thing that people that I know who are Russian and I’ve spoken with over the years about the situation of Russia, not just in, of course, the Trump collusion lies around the election but more generally about what is Putin…? “What does Putin want?” is the question a lot of people ask.

There’s been some fascinating reporting on how this is a guy who wakes up every day with his Cheerios, so to speak, or whatever the Russian equivalent is. He is reading the newspapers of the common man. He tries to have a very good… He reads the kind of populist news, so to speak, in Russia. He tries to have an understanding of what the general opinion within his country may be.

In the West, we’re always focused on human rights and democracy activists like Navalny, and with good reason. But Putin actually presided over the creation of a Russian middle class. People forget this. He does actually have support within his own country. We view him as almost like a comic book villain the way we look at Kim Jong-un or we look at the ayatollahs.

But in Russia, there is real support for him, not just from within the institutions of power, but from some of the common men on the street. So we may be misreading, at some level, the Russian people’s appetite for this military intervention, you know what I mean? This is a part of it that people don’t think about very much ’cause it doesn’t get reported here.

By the way, I’m putting out… Now that we’re looking at this, I’m putting out feelers to my people. I’m reaching out to former intel people. We gotta get the folks that can bring us… Hopefully Nolan Peterson will join us tomorrow. We need ground truth, and we need people that are granular. You know, I was granular on Iraq. I was granular on Afghanistan back in the day. We need people that are granular on Ukraine ’cause I think this is about to pop off.

CLAY: And it may be happening tomorrow while we’re live on the air. It may be happening Wednesday. You never actually know. This is going to be a tinderbox-type moment.

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Former DNI Ratcliffe: Expect Many More Durham Indictments

14 Feb 2022

CLAY: I know this is not going to surprise a lot of you, but it still is staggering to me that all of this is not being covered by the New York Times and the Washington Post. They have not actually taken the time to even cover it — and, remember, this is not some allegation that’s just kind of floating around out there. This is a government independent counsel investigation which goes to the very essence…

I don’t think it’s an exaggeration to call this, the allegations — ’cause it hasn’t been proven in a court of law yet, but it the allegations are — as significant as any that have been made since Watergate. Former Director of National Intelligence John Ratcliffe is saying this filing by John Durham shows there was a conspiracy, and he’s expecting many more indictments. Let’s listen to this.

RATCLIFFE: This pleading alleges or alludes to a conspiracy, meaning two or more people in furtherance of a crime. Any anyone that was aware that this campaign plan was going to be falsely pitched to the FBI or the CIA or law enforcement or intelligence authorities would be subject to criminal prosecution. I would expect there to be, frankly, quite a few more indictments. I think this conspiracy — and I do think there was a criminal conspiracy — is broad and deep.

BUCK: We know that it was a lie. We know that it was a fabrication, the whole Russia-Trump collusion thing, Clay, right? That’s been established for a very long time. What we haven’t seen yet is the full extent of the plot. When they’re talking about here… This is from the Daily Mail today: “Clinton paid people to hack servers at Trump Tower during the 2016 campaign and White House servers following the election.”

That is a quote. Okay, that is what is being reported right now. That is Third World dictator stuff. We’re in a whole different universe kind of stuff. When you’re talking about spying, active spying on a campaign and then on a president using the security apparatus? If I were back in the CIA, we’re analyzing this in a foreign country, we’d say, “They got big problems. I mean, they can’t even really think that they have rule of law and legitimate elections going on if that’s what’s really happening.” So we need to get these answers. I know it’s been a long time. I know people feel like we’ve talked about it a lot. We still need to find out what really happened here and what did Hillary know?

CLAY: And based on the tech, what did Hillary know, and when did she know it, which is the famous question that was asked at the Watergate hearings. This is a modern-day Watergate based on updated technological advances. It’s not an exaggeration at all based on the allegations that are out there.

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State of the Culture: Oscar Flicks and Hip Hop Halftime

14 Feb 2022

BUCK: We wanted to talk to you for a second about the culture, and there are two things. One thing we could talk about is the Super Bowl halftime show from last night, and the other one is the Oscars have been announced, right? Clay, first of all, have you seen any of these movies so far that are nominated for best picture?

CLAY: I bet I haven’t even seen who the nominees are. Unless Spider-Man or Encanto are on that list, the answer is probably “no.”

BUCK: This blew my mind. Spider-Man, what is it called, the new one? I haven’t seen it. Oh, No Way Home has grossed $9 million over the weekend but is the fourth highest grossing movie ever, ever, all time. That’s up there with like Jurassic Park and ET and Avatar.

CLAY: Well, one thing they managed to do, Buck, is they don’t index for inflation. So, there is always going to be an advantage on the newer films, especially now with 7.5% inflation.

BUCK: Totally valid. But isn’t this like the 10th Spider-Man? Literally, I think there have been seven or eight Spider-Man movies, at least at this point, anyway.

CLAY: Yeah, we took the boys and of course the boys love it. Oh, yeah, it’s great. I go see every just about superhero movie ’cause I’ve got three young boys, and they love all of them, right? My 14-, my 11-, my 7-year-old, as a family we often go watch these. So these are wheelhouse movies for me; so it doesn’t surprise me at all. Now, all these Oscar films that are nominated last year… I used to go see everything. I used to love the movies. Last year was the first year I think that I’d never seen any of the Oscar movies. I guarantee you I haven’t seen any of them this year.

BUCK: Just all of these movies together, which includes, Don’t Look Up, which is… Isn’t that like a climate change movie?

CLAY: I actually saw that one. That’s on Netflix.

BUCK: Oh, see? You have seen it.

CLAY: Yeah.

BUCK: Licorice Pizza. Never heard of that.

CLAY: No.

BUCK: Belfast. I have a feeling that’s a sad one.

CLAY: Yeah, probably not a happy one.

BUCK: Coda. What else do we have here? I can’t even read some of these. Drive My Car? I’ve never even heard of that one. Okay. Dune. I saw Dune, and if you read the Frank Herbert classic. I will say it is an excellent film adaptation of it. So Dune’s a good movie. I don’t know if it made a lot of money or not. Dune is actually a good movie.

But we bring this up just because of all the Oscar nominated films. Usually, they get talked about. Less than a million-dollar gross over the weekend. Now, covid obviously playing a big part of this. But the bigger thing for me, Clay, than the receipts for this, so to speak, is I’d never heard of these. Of the 10 movies nominated, I’ve heard of two of them before now just to go show, what is Hollywood doing these days?

CLAY: They have lost their ability to speak to the masses, right? They speak to an elite subset, and they’ve lost their ability to speak to the masses. I gotta give credit. You and I are around the same age. I understand some people out there did not like the Super Bowl halftime show. But I grew up on Snoop Dogg, Dr. Dre, Eminem in many ways. That was a 1990s-era halftime show, right?

BUCK: Yeah.

CLAY: If you were in bars, restaurants, college, high school, in the 1990s, you probably really liked last night’s show.

BUCK: That whole halftime show was a throwback to people who were in high school, college, and maybe recent grads circa 1995.

CLAY: Yeah.

BUCK: That’s maybe ’94, ’95. That’s when all those songs were really popular. I’m somebody who grew up listening to that music, I will say. I don’t really listen to much hip-hop anymore. I haven’t in some time.

CLAY: I don’t listen to much music at all, anymore. Now, my kids listen to everything that’s current; so I hear a lot of it from them. What I would say in general is, I would like to go back to the 1990s and early 2000s era, when we embraced creative freedom for everyone. Because if you go look at rap lyrics as if you look at many lyrics in music of all different types, very borderline sometimes in what is being said, but we give them the creative freedom.

BUCK: I don’t know if it’s even borderline. I think you can actually make a strong case for… Gosh, I’m gonna use the word “misogyny” and not be making fun of the people using it. I think that there’s —

CLAY: I would rather have too much that’s going on in terms of creative freedom, which is why I think this whole cancel culture era is so awful, because if you use Joe Rogan, for instance, as an example we’ve got artists trying to cancel other artists, right? Whether you like whatever his name is — Neil Young — or not, when he comes out and says what Joe Rogan is doing is an art form, right, a long podcast interview is an art form. What we are doing in radio is an art form of sorts, right?

BUCK: Clay, we are artistes.

CLAY: Right.

BUCK: Mais oui, bien sur.

CLAY: I don’t remember an era in my life when artists, who are supposed to — through their nuance, in exploration of larger issues — advance our cultural understanding and conversation surrounding so many complex issues. When they are trying to get things canceled it represents a fundamental attack upon art itself. I just find it hard to believe that they even understand. They’re swept up in the cancel culture mob just like so many other idiots are.

BUCK: But this is about power dynamics, right?

CLAY: To a large extent.

BUCK: It’s not really about principle for these different groups that want to cancel people and this is why the building of alternative platforms and the understanding… One thing we’ll be talking about when we look at the deep state Russia collusion narrative is a lot of those people got taken care of. They got book deals. They get speaking engagements, the ones who are the most involved in the lies about Trump and Russia and all the rest of it.

You see this in a cultural sense too. If you’re a good soldier for the left, so to speak, you get away with more. You can always come back, and people on the right often go, “Ah, someone got canceled. Oh, they’ll figure it out. Maybe they’ll go open an auto body shop somewhere or something,” which is hard to do, actually.

But, you know what I’m saying. It’s time that people actually see this for what it is. They’re gonna keep canceling us while they have the power to do it. We’re not gonna convince them through our arguments to make them stop. We have to create some artillery, so to speak, in the free speech battle on our side.

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The Popular New F-Word Frightening the Libs in Canada

14 Feb 2022

CLAY: I want to talk about the Canadian truckers here for a moment. CBC News, which is the Canadian Broadcasting Corporation, have a headline that they put up yesterday. The headline… I’m not making this up. Go check it out on my Twitter feed right now. “The word has become common among far-right groups, experts say.” This word? Oh, my! A lot of you out there are thinking, “Oh, my gosh. What could the word be?” “The word has become common among far-right groups, experts say.” The word? “Freedom.”

BUCK: The F-word!

How dare “far right groups” use the word freedom?! https://t.co/cruZtiQPDI

— Clay Travis (@ClayTravis) February 14, 2022

CLAY: The F-word. The new F-word in Canada is “freedom.” Now, some positive news here; then we’re gonna unpack Bill Maher just destroying Justin Trudeau. But I saw right before we came on you were giving us an update on Washington, D.C. Ontario, which I believe… Again, my Canadian knowledge is not very good. I apologize to all of our Canadian listeners. I believe Ontario is the most populous of the Canadian 13 provinces.

BUCK: Look at you with the Canadian knowledge.

CLAY: I could be totally wrong on that. Look it up and see if I’m correct. But Ontario has announced that they are going to be removing many of the restrictions that exist — (interruption) I am correct on that — in Canada, which is yet another win for these Canadian truckers as they continue to fight for the big F-word, “freedom.”

BUCK: Before we… Yeah, I just want to go back to the F-word, “freedom,” for a second here, and how the CBC unironically is like, “There are all these bad people using the ‘freedom’ word.” This is not new. One of the things that the left does very well and people on the right, because we believe in individual agency and choice — and, dare I say, “freedom” — we’re much less likely to try to police the language that others use.

They police language all the time, and they’ll even get to extremes where they’ll take terms that are entirely innocuous and try to make them problematic, try to make them something. So they’ll not only change their language to hide… We went from “illegal alien” to “illegal immigrants” to “undocumented,” right? That’s one of the most clear examples of this. There are tons of political speech examples.

But you remember, Clay, when they were doing the targeting — and this was a real thing, everybody, I try to remind folks of — when the IRS was targeting opponents of the Obama Regime, you know what one of the primary things they looked for when they were doing their, you know, stopping of essentially the Tea Party groups? “Patriot.”

If you had the word “patriot” anywhere in your nonprofit application, you are getting dinged. You were getting held up. You were getting audited. So “patriot” became a signifier for bad people, and now in Canada “freedom…” Isn’t it fascinating? “Freedom” is becoming a signifier for bad people. Just like, by the way, anyone who uses the term “undermining our democracy” ever also puts their pronouns in their email signature and also walks around with two masks on outside alone. These things all go together.

CLAY: Unless they’re at the Super Bowl, in which case they don’t wear masks at all.

BUCK: Good point.

CLAY: Bill Maher… Did you see also, Buck, by the way, Bill Maher went out I think was in San Francisco to do a comedy routine and got heckled by the crowd because he’s willing to challenge prevailing left-wing orthodoxies?

BUCK: I would say he’s really kind of a libertine. He’s kind of a maximum liberty guy on a lot of issues. Not on everything, but a lot of issues.

CLAY: Here he is blasting Justin Trudeau. Tthis is from Real Time, whatever that… I think it’s Real Time, right? His show on HBO, blasting Justin Trudeau for sounding like Hitler.

World-famous liberal commentator Bill Maher calls out Trudeau’s bigoted remarks about unvaccinated people.
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— pierrepoilievre (@PierrePoilievre) February 12, 2022

BUCK: First of all, what he’s saying is so obviously true that that’s accuracy. That was Marianne Williamson. Remember when she ran for president?

CLAY: She’s gonna run for president again, I think.

BUCK: I just did Greg Gutfeld’s show with her, which was interesting.

CLAY: Oh, really. She did Fox News? I didn’t even know that.

BUCK: She did. She went on there. She is a nice lady with some loony ideas. She’s got some loony ideas. But she’s a nice lady. I am cordial to her, and she’s cordial to me.

CLAY: I give her credit for doing Fox News because, look, it’s the biggest audience out there —

BUCK: — in late-night TV, which is crushing the Colbert show in a lot of nights, a lot of the demo. But, Clay, on the point about Trudeau, can we just take a step back? We had Dr. Marty Makary on the show last week. They’ve been making people take the shot in this country and in other countries like Canada, irrespective of natural immunity, which means that in millions of cases they have been forcing people to do something for which there is literally no good-faith medical argument whatsoever to do. None. Put aside the individual agency and freedom from vaccine argument as a separate argument. I just mean making people who already had covid — like making people who just had Omicron get another shot or get a booster — is outrageous.

CLAY: It is totally crazy and there’s no scientific basis to support it at all which is why when we’re talking about Ontario lifting its restrictions, many of them — and Washington, D.C. doing it as well, starting on March 1st — my question is, how quickly is the idea that you have to show a vaccine passport to, for instance, take your kid to get Chicken McNuggets at McDonald’s going to vanish?

I say that because for all the people out there who are arguing this is necessary, never in any of our lives have we ever had to show proof of vaccination, to my knowledge, Buck, for anything other than maybe going to school, right, and/or maybe going to college. But to enter a business, the idea that you would have to show that you had been vaccinated has never existed.

That very idea itself, it’s radical, and we need to talk about it as being a radical proposition and a personal imposition on so many different people as it pertains to their individual freedoms and their health rights. Regardless of what you think about covid, the idea that you have to show your vaccines to go to McDonald’s is crazy.

BUCK: They’ve also never wrestled with the concept that I think is really important, and this is where you get into the epidemiology. I rely on doctors just like you do that I know to bring me up to speed to these things, right? I have no medical training, and I just sit here, and I want everyone to understand that when you’re talking about measles and mumps and rubella and smallpox and these other vaccination campaigns in the past.

Those are stable viruses. They do not mutate, and they do not mutate with anywhere near the speed that we’ve seen with covid. To try to get herd immunity for a virus that seems to mutate about every, what, at least every six months so far, you’re gonna be playing catch-up forever because the last version of the vaccine doesn’t protect you from at least getting it.

It may help your body fight it off, but from getting the most recent variant. This was wrong-headed from the very beginning, and there’s animal reservoirs for this virus, too, which means that it can mutate and spread from the animal population to the human, and American, population.

CLAY: We’re never going to get rid of it, right? And that’s why anybody who’s trying to compare this to measles or mumps, it is more akin, frankly, to the flu shot.

BUCK: Yeah.

CLAY: That what it is.

BUCK: Have you been saying this for about 18 months? I feel like I’ve been saying this for about 18 months, and here we are now.

CLAY: Well, if you ever mention covid in relationship with the flu, they would censor you back in the day, with the idea that you could even compare the two was completely unacceptable. That’s where we are. Covid has become a new flu, and it’s never going away — and sooner or later, we have to get used to living with it.

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Rep. Jayapal: No Mask on Elevator Is Like the Insurrection!

14 Feb 2022

JAYAPAL: The idea that — and this has happened to me, where you get on a elevator and people refuse to wear a mask, and your choices are to either get off the elevator or to get on the elevator and to tell them to wear a mask. That should not be (snickering) a problem in the United States Congress, and I really believe that our colleagues who refuse to even adhere to the basic norms of civility are undermining our democracy — and, of course, we’re seeing it in all kinds of even more serious ways, like the January 6th insurrection. It’s just… (sputtering) It’s just part of that and part of the attempt to take down a legitimate democracy from functioning in the way it should function.

BUCK: (impression) Not wearing a mask with me in the elevator is just like the January 6th insurrection!

CLAY: (laughing)

BUCK: That was a member of Congress. That was Congresswoman Jayapal, just so you understand. These are the things that Democrats say now. “When you refuse to mask up you’re destroying this democracy!” You heard her there which is fascinating on so many levels because this is, as I’ve said so many times, all evidence of a serious anxiety disorder. These anxiety disorders are very difficult, very difficult.

But you need to deal with them and not expect everybody else to cater to your anxiety disorder. You have to deal with your anxiety disorder even if you’re a member of Congress. But this is fascinating as well because, Clay, the member of Congress here is saying if you don’t mask up when you got you get on an elevator with somebody, you are a… Just to be clear, you’re “undermining our democracy” is what she said, if you don’t mask up on elevator.

She’s going to restaurants and bars and I’m sure parties and whatever else. No one’s got masks on. But when you step on an elevator with me, sir, without a mask on for that 20-second ride, you’re undermining our democracy. Meanwhile, Washington, D.C., has announced just today they are getting rid of the indoor mask mandate in two weeks. They’re getting rid of it everywhere except — get ready for this — schools and some other locations.

CLAY: So, March 1st they’re doing away with it? What about the vaccine, the covid vaccine card or whatever thing you have to show to get into places there?

BUCK: So on March 1st, masks will still be required in — let me see — schools, child care facilities, and libraries.

CLAY: Schools and child care facilities. Buck, this is crazy because they have the largest group of people who have the lowest risk.

BUCK: Yes.

CLAY: If anything, we should be reversing it. There should be no mask mandate.

BUCK: There’s more, though, by the way. “Public transit…” I’m reading from the mayor’s order right now. “Public transit, taxis, and ride share,” of course, Uber, “and D.C. government facilities.” So basically “businesses, houses of worship, gyms, restaurants, masks will no longer be required,” and I think they’re also dropping the vaccine requirement there, too, but I have to check on that. I have to check on that. They’re definitely dialing back the mask thing but in schools, Clay? They’re keeping it in schools.

CLAY: Look, there should be no mask, rule one. But if you were actually going to look at the data and science, the very first place you would remove the mask mandate is child care and schools beyond a shadow of a doubt based on low risk factors.

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CLAY: We are joined now by Senator Ron Johnson of Wisconsin. Senator, Aaron Rodgers won the MVP last night — I don’t know if you saw that in your state — and I did notice this, and it got almost no attention. After all the anti-vax negativity that he took for not getting the covid vaccine, he was sitting in a crowded L.A. arena.

He went up on the stage, accepted the award, and I didn’t see a single media member complaining about it. I just thought that was kind of an interesting trajectory there. I don’t know if you saw any of that. But L.A. seems to have, now that the Oscars are gonna be allowed to happen without covid vaccine required, no masks… I mean, everything is falling apart in the covid narrative, isn’t it?

SEN. JOHNSON: I think so. Listen, Aaron Rodgers and the MVP, he deserves it for playing football but also for defending his personal health autonomy —

CLAY: Amen.

SEN. JOHNSON: — for defending his freedom and pushing back against the assaults and the attacks and the vilification he had to put up with. He didn’t back down. I really appreciate that about him.

CLAY: What’s the latest from your perspective that you are hearing — and we love to talk with you ’cause you are one of the few actual politicians who has looked at the data. Have you been surprised by how quickly all these Democratic governors are suddenly this week ending mask mandates and ending many of their covid restrictions? And they’re claiming the science changed. But you think it’s just finally the poll numbers have gotten so bad that they recognize that they’re going towards a disaster, and they had to change something?

SEN. JOHNSON: Well, it doesn’t surprise me at all. I mean, they politicized covid from the start, and they’ll be politicizing it all the way through the end. I personally think the greatest sin perpetrated by the covid gods… I actually heard somebody start calling it the covid cartel. That’s maybe a better description.

CLAY: Oh, yeah.

SEN. JOHNSON: The health agencies, Big Pharma, the news media, the Big Tech social media giants, I think the greatest sin was in blocking, sabotaging early treatment — 900,000 people died; they didn’t all have to die — but then also not exercising caution when it came to the vaccines, not watching their own safety or surveillance systems. I just got my update on my chart from VAERS: 1.1 million adverse events, 23,615 deaths reported on VAERS associated with covid vaccines.

I know that doesn’t prove causation, but 30% of those deaths — that’s holding pretty solid — are currently zero, one, or two. It certainly concerns me. I don’t know for the life of me why it hasn’t concerned Fauci and Collins and Walensky, Dr. Woodcock, Dr. Marks. I think the thing that will be lingering will be the vaccine injured. They need acknowledgment, by the way, because as long as the CDC won’t admit that the vaccine could be associated with some of their harms, doctors won’t treat ’em.

They just treat ’em like they’re mentally ill or something. This is a travesty what is happened, what has happened — and anybody that would look at 900,000 deaths, the human toll, the economic devastating, what we’ve done to our children. I saw the video. (laughs) It was joyous. I love to see their smiles. What did we do to our children? So anyone that would take a look our response to covid and call it a success is out of his mind. It’s been a miserable failure, and they need to be held accountable for it.

BUCK: Senator Ron Johnson of Wisconsin with us now. Senator, totally agree with you on that. I’m not… As a New Yorker who’s been put through a lot of the madness of Fauciism, really a concentration of lunatic, maniacal Fauciite policies here, I’m not willing to just move past it. I want to know what you think of the Canadian freedom convoy, and also the continued chatter in this country about a similar protest movement of truckers standing up not just about vaccine mandates, but basic freedom in the era of covid?

SEN. JOHNSON: I love it! They’re standing up and they’re fighting for freedom. They’re doing it peacefully. My wife said that people were complaining they’re honking their horns. They stopped honking their horns. They’re making a point. It’s a point that, again, the covid cartel, the legacy media, the Big Tech social media giants, they won’t let it be made. So we’ve gotta make it on the streets. But the people fighting for freedom are doing it peacefully, they’re doing it respectfully, and God bless them for doing it. I hope we see more of that here in the United States, quite honestly.

CLAY: Senator Johnson, I appreciate you running for reelection. I know we’ve mentioned that, before but just want to reemphasize that we’re number one in the Milwaukee market and I want people to come out and make sure they support you because you’ve been willing to fight battles that, frankly, a lot of politicians have run and hid from, and we needed more voices like yours instead of fewer.

What should happen? Let’s presume that you and the Republicans are able to take back the Senate and take back the House. What should happen to Dr. Fauci and all of the people who have enabled him, from your perspective? Is it a 9/11-style truth commission? Is it an investigation really in-depth into Fauci and the NIH and all of the gain-of-function research? What would you, if you are a part of a majority in the Senate, want to do as you began 2023?

SEN. JOHNSON: Expose the truth. I’ve spoken with Senator Paul. I’ve spoken with Jim Jordan. It’s what we are trying to do right now, but we’re being blocked. I asked for all these emails that were granted under FOIA requests, but all fully redacted. So we took about 400 pages of 4,000 and said, “We want these unredacted.” They’re letting us review them in camera, about 50 at a time. It’s taking about six months.

We’re down to last 50 pages and they won’t show us that. Well, what’s under that? So we need to expose the truth but the solution has to be, we need to reinstall doctors at the top of the health care pyramid again. Right now, they’re at the bottom! This is we’ve got our health care system completely backwards right now. Right now, it’s the covid gods, the cartel that’s reigning supreme.

The pharmaceutical companies, the health care agencies, the hospital associations, the medical journals. We need doctors to take the Hippocratic Oath whose loyalty is to patients. They have to be at the top! They have to be allowed to practice medicine, to be able to use their full off-label prescription rights without being harassed, without their licenses being threatened or taken away. What has happened is a travesty, and people have to recognize this.

Nine-hundred-thousand people, not all those people had to die. They wouldn’t have had we embraced thoroughly explored early treatment. There’s literally a cornucopia of cheap, generic, repurposed drugs, widely available that could have been used, are being used. They are being used successfully. It could have been used in a widespread fashion, hundreds of thousands of people I believe would be alive today had the covid cartel not blocked early treatment, and they’re still blocking it! We’re still gonna need early treatment, ’cause this isn’t something that’s going away.

CLAY: Senator Johnson, for people out there who may not understand how much difference there is between being in the majority and being able to hold Fauci accountable and not being in the majority. How much of a difference would it have made the last couple of years if Republicans had been in control all the time, and how much different will it make for you in January of 2023 compared to what you can do now? How seismic is that change?

SEN. JOHNSON: It’s pretty significant. Obviously, I would have held official Senate hearings as opposed to the events that I’m holding anyway. By the way, my events on January 24th, “Covid-19: A Second Opinion,” over two million views on launched. That’s the full, five-hour event. We have a 38-minute highlight reel that I put it up on YouTube, honestly just seeing how long they take to remove this.

They haven’t yet. So 1.2 million views on that. So if you don’t have five hours, at least go to YouTube and watch the 38-minute highlight reel. It will open your eyes. These are eminently qualified individuals. They are rational. By the way, even a first opinion, wouldn’t you rather go to doctors who actually have the courage and compassion to treat patients as opposed to these knuckleheads that have mismanaged covid in the ivory towers in their little bureaucratic offices?

This is insane what we’ve listened to! I don’t know why anybody would keep listening to Fauci and Walensky and Woodcock. At this point, 900,000 deaths! What we’ve done to our children. So, no, it’s about exposing the truth, it’s about holding people accountable, but then it’s about reestablishing and putting doctors back on top of the medical establishment pyramid. They have to be in charge.

BUCK: Senator Ron Johnson of Wisconsin. Sir, we always appreciate you coming by Clay and Buck. Thanks so much.

SEN. JOHNSON: Stay well.

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