Photos & Video: The Clay and Buck Show in Ft. Myers

24 Jan 2022

On Friday, Clay broadcast from our Ft. Myers affiliate WFSX Fox News 92.5 with Buck on Zoom from quarantine. After a great day at the station, Clay held a meet and greet with some of our listeners on a beautiful night in southwest Florida. Check out the photos below.

Producer Ali, Clay (with Buck on Zoom), and Premiere Networks President Julie Talbott.

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Sen. Paul on Ending Mandates, Omicron and Fauci’s Future

21 Jan 2022

CLAY: Senator Rand Paul with us. Senator Paul, appreciate you joining us. I just saw you tweet about the Capitol Club and your decision there.

Quitting Capitol Hill Club: I will not be a member of any club that acquiesces to a requirement to reveal your medical records.

— Senator Rand Paul (@RandPaul) January 21, 2022

Senator, with the conjunction of the CDC finally admitting that natural immunity was more protective by October of 2021 than was the covid vaccine — and with the Pfizer CEO saying that the first two doses of the Pfizer vaccine do not actually provide limited, if any, protection against Omicron — how in the world is there any logical foundation for vaccine mandates any longer?

SEN. PAUL: There’s zero. But we have to stand up for ourselves. For goodness’ sakes, the Capitol Club, I think, is owned by the Republican Party. They would probably lose less money by hiring an attorney to fight the mayor and the city than they will by all of us leaving the Capitol Club. So, you know, I’m also fighting the mandates for all of D.C. You know, D.C. is under the rule of Congress.

And I’ve introduced legislation to get rid of the mandates and say, “Look, we’re gonna have a free city,” but they’re destroying the city. I mean, all the restaurants around the Capitol are being destroyed. There are no tourists in D.C. The Capitol is still closed, ’cause Nancy Pelosi is protecting us against the next insurrection. I mean, they’re destroying our nation’s capital, and someone’s gotta somehow speak some sense to these people.

BUCK: Senator Rand Paul, it’s Buck. We always appreciate you being with us. I wanted to bring something to your attention. I’m sure you’re familiar with some of the work done by Alex Berenson. He wrote Pandemia, and he’s just been following the data very closely. He recently put out on his Substack some data from the General Hospital of San Francisco or San Francisco General Hospital, and it showed that over 70% — and this just in one hospital, but as a microcosm I think it’s interesting.

Over 70% of those in the hospital in San Francisco that he spoke of were actually vaccinated for covid. And we’re wondering if you see any of this, because early on during this wave, we were being told that in some states — in Massachusetts, at one point it was, you know, 30% of people in the hospital were vaccinated. We keep hearing that it’s only the unvaccinated that are at risk. But there doesn’t seem to be good data, and some of the data seems to go against that. I just wanted you to weigh in on this.

SEN. PAUL: Well, the thing they’re not being honest about is that virtually everybody who’s at risk has been vaccinated. The CDC’s own statistics say that those over 65, it’s somewhere between 95 to 97% of the public’s been vaccinated so I tell you, kind of hard not to have a majority of the people in the hospital be vaccinated. The thing is that really the vaccine, voluntary vaccination has been overwhelmingly successful, but it’s never enough for these people.

That’s why if you give in to a mandate, if you give in to the mandate for 10-year-olds, they’ll want to do 5-year-olds. If you give in to 5-year-olds, they’ll want to do newborns. But what they’re really ignoring and the thing that people should be alarmed with is, they are ignoring the comparison of risk factor of the disease versus the risk of the vaccine, particularly for children and particularly for adolescent males. And I think this is really a crime.

You have — and really people should go to the court system. Princeton, Yale, University of Chicago are actually advocating a mandate for something that is very unhealthy and risky for your adolescent male. For your 18, 20-year-old male, the risk of a problem from the vaccine greatly exceeds any risk they have from the disease, and it’s really a crime against these children that prominent universities in our country are mandating something that is complete malpractice, as far as I’m concerned.

CLAY: We’re talking to Senator Rand Paul of Kentucky. Senator, I’m sure you saw Boris Johnson in England has ended the national mask mandate and the vaccine mandates in order to be able to enter businesses from a federal perspective over there. How long do you think it might be ’til Joe Biden and the Democrats are willing to do such a thing? And if they’re not willing to do such a thing, what can you guys in Congress do to help combat this?

SEN. PAUL: I think public opinion on hypocrisy goes a long way. You know, so many of these people that have been willing to invoke these mandates on us are unwilling to obey their own mandates, and I think that’s hurt their cause. But we have to push back. We have to all of us push back. We have to, you know, quit frequenting them. Do not go to a restaurant and call up your favorite restaurant if they want papers and say, “I’m not revealing my medical records to go to your restaurant.”

That’s what we all need to do. Ultimately economic pressure works, and it will end. But there’s also become a dichotomy. We end up having a free part of our country in totalitarian zones up north. I mean, Florida’s a free zone, so people are moving to Florida by droves. People are vacationing. Even AOC can’t have a good time in New York so she’s gotta go to Florida. But this is what… People have to vote with their feet and with their dollars, and they have to flee these places.

Some of it’s happening. I mean, it’s one of the reasons Congress is gonna flip is that population movement over the last several years is they’re fleeing New York and California for freedom. And now they’re doing it for vacation because you can’t live your life. But it’s utter stupidity that we allow these people who aren’t using science, it’s just their authoritarian impulse causes them to want new mandates.

But really the science is against all this. Everybody is getting the Omicron. Everybody’s probably gonna get it. Masks are completely useless. Theory now admitting it. But you know what I fear? They’re gonna mandate the N95. Instead of admitting that the mandates on masks haven’t done a thing to the disease, they’re gonna mandate an even harsher mask (chuckles) is what’s probably gonna come from these morons.

BUCK: Senator Paul, just so you know, I have Omicron right now and Clay had it last week. So to your point that everyone’s gonna get it, it’s all over the place, and these mandates obviously haven’t done a damn thing to slow this down. It’s ridiculous. Do you think that we’re gonna get to a place where, after tens of millions at a millions of Americans — at a minimum — have had Omicron within 60 days we’re gonna start being told, you need to get an Omicron shot now because I think Pfizer is coming out with their Omicron-specific vaccine in March. I’ve been telling Clay I’m worried that these people are so maniacal, they’re gonna say, “Oh, you just had Omicron? Come get your Omicron shot, or else.”

SEN. PAUL: Yeah. The good news about Omicron for most people — and I’m not saying for everybody, but for most people who get through it — is you basically had a live, attenuated vaccine. It is nature’s vaccine and it’s a much less deadly virus than the previous iteration. Now, there’s still people dying. So, I mean, we still need to try to protect those who are dying, but it’s primarily people are multiple diseases, people over a certain age-group, and absolutely people overweight.

And people need to monitor their symptoms. Even with Omicron, if you are getting worse in the first five days, that is your window of time when you need to seek treatment. And this is something you’ll never hear from Fauci or anybody in the government. They say vaccination’s it, and then you’re fine. They don’t tell you that you can still get sick if you’re vaccinated but that there is a treatment. There are multiple treatments, but you need to get them in the first five, maybe the first 10 days.

But nobody is telling you that. The monoclonal antibodies that do work well, if you wait ’til day eight, nine, 10, 11, they don’t work as well. And often the hospital won’t even give ’em to you at that point. So this is the thing we need to know. We need to protect the vulnerable. This is what the Great Barrington Declaration was about. It’s what the smart epidemiologists that are practicing and preaching some truth are telling us. Protect those who are vulnerable but tell them there are treatments and not just to sit at home doing nothing.

CLAY: Senator Paul, when is Dr. Fauci gonna be gone from his position? How do we get rid of him?

SEN. PAUL: The day after the election in November 2022, my suspicion is he will retire. Either way, even if he does retire, we are going to subpoena every one of his records. We are gonna get to the bottom of where the virus came from, and I plan on having hearings on not only domestic rules on creating these viruses that don’t exist in nature that could be potentially deadly. I’m gonna ask…

Once we can get our domestic house in order — and we’re no longer doing it — we shouldn’t fund China. But I really think there needs to be an international convention of civilized nations to come together, kind of like we’ve done with chemical weapons and also how we’ve done with nuclear proliferation. They’re not perfect, but I think we could get hundreds of nation nations to come together and say:

“Look, we just had five, 10 million people die from something that probably came from a lab. Can we now all sort of agree voluntarily not to do this type of research?” This is what really has to happen. And this has been my main beef with Fauci. It’s not about, you know, I’m right and he’s wrong — which is largely true, but it’s not all about that. (chuckles) It’s about trying to prevent this from happening again.

CLAY: Senator Rand Paul of Kentucky. We appreciate it.

SEN. PAUL: Thank you.

BUCK: Thank you so much. We appreciate you being with us.

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Art Laffer Talks Saving the Economy from Biden

21 Jan 2022

BUCK: We are gonna talk economics for a second here, the money in your bank account, your wages, the job market, inflation, how expensive is that cheeseburger you’re hopefully gonna get to eat tonight or whatever you choose. We have someone who can shed light on all of that now, Art Laffer, we all remember him as a former Reagan economic advisor — and, you know, the Laffer Curve. Art is with us now. Sir, great to have you.

LAFFER: Thank you very much. It’s a pleasure being with you.

BUCK: Can we just have you react — ’cause I think this is a good way to get us started here — to Commerce Secretary Gina Raimondo here on what a great economy this is?

LAFFER: It’s not that great. I mean, we have a shortage of labor. In fact, the number of people employed today is way below what it was before the pandemic occurred. What we have is participation rates are about the lowest rate then. We’ve caused all sorts of people to leave the labor force. Now, they’re not unemployed. They just left and went home because we’re giving them so much in the way of transfer payments and welfare that they’re just better off being unemployed than they are actually being in the workforce.

BUCK: Here we go. We actually have the sound bite for you. Cut 13. Play it.

RAIMONDO: As you say, these are, y’know, strong numbers. By any measure now we have this strong economy, y’know, created over six million jobs last year. We’re the only economy in this world that is stronger now than pre-pandemic, and the unemployment rate has fallen like a rock over the past year. So we look at those numbers. I mean, Y’know, week to week, month to month, there are small variations, but it’s a — it’s a strong, uhh, employment picture, y’know, wages are up, jobs are up, growth is up. (sputters) As you say, ummm, y’know, uh, obviously we — we have inflation, and that is what we have to deal with.

BUCK: Art, just the six million jobs created, can you dive into that for a second? ‘Cause that doesn’t seem to pass the smell test.

LAFFER: Well, no, we lost about… If I’m using the numbers correctly here, we lost something like nine million in the pandemic and now we’ve come back six million back, but it’s not increasing any longer. We’ve come back there, so we’re still three million jobs short of what we were before the pandemic. And we’ve had population growth since then. So, as far as participation rates, we’re way below where we were prior to the pandemic.

It’s been collapsing for a long time, and it’s really shown a very sharp deterioration. So people have just left the labor force! They don’t want to work because they’re getting paid all these monies from the government. That’s what’s happening, and when she says that you have these wages rising, that’s true, I think wages went up 4% or something. Now, wages went up 4% and inflation went up 7%. If you like that calculation, I’ve got a bridge to sell you. The real wages are going down in this country because of inflation, and all of that’s happening. I just don’t know where she got her PhD, but it’s sure she didn’t take my class.

CLAY: We’re talking to Art Laffer.

LAFFER: It’s just misuse of numbers. I just hate it when people do that because it’s not true and it leads you to know something that’s not correct!

CLAY: (laughing) Did we fail, Art Laffer, as an economist, that we did not bring your discipline into a discussion surrounding shutdowns? We made only the experts in health be involved. When you look at it purely from an economic perspective, how would you assess the decisions made surrounding covid from a shutdown, a lockdown, a taking-kids-out-of-school perspective?

LAFFER: You know, what I did I was I looked at the growth in the economy up through February of 2020, right, and just dot-line that growth going forward and how much real GDP have we lost because of the pandemic, the lockdowns, the masks — all that stuff put together, including the transfer payment. It’s a huge, huge, huge amount. And I don’t remember exactly what those numbers were. I wish I had my paper in front of me.

But it’s an enormous amount, something like a third of all GDP. And we’re below the trend line where we were. Not only below the trend line, but it’s growing slower. GDP growth is not keeping up with past numbers, and it didn’t catch up the way it should have. So all of this counting growth and jobs from the bottom to where we are now, it’s way below what we should have had in job growth just to catch back up to where we were in February of 2020.

You know, we’ve got a long way to go to catch up, and then we’ve got a long way to go to make up for the losses that we had! This is not a pretty picture, I’m sorry to say. I wish they wouldn’t say it, but they keep saying it. I mean, does anyone think their wages are really going up just because they get a $1 increase in wages and the price of goods you buy goes up $2? I don’t think so.

BUCK: We’re speaking to Art Laffer, former Reagan economic adviser. And, Art, so, what would happen if they actually… We keep hearing from Biden; one of the prime talking points for how this is all gonna turn around is that the Build Back Better plan will make everything cheaper — which, to those of us who are looking at inflation and government spending and the relationship thereof say, “What do they not get here?” But is…? Can you explain to us exactly what their argument is and whether it holds water?

LAFFER: Well, I’ll try to. You know, have you ever heard of a poor person spending himself into wealth?

BUCK: Of course not.

LAFFER: That’s what they’re proposing. We have a bad economy, and we want to take resources away from people who work and give them to people who don’t work. And, you know, if you tax people who work and pay people who don’t work, you’re gonna get a lot of people not working. And that is exactly what happened in the U.S. economy. The only thing is they’re not going on the unemployment rolls. That’s true. They’re going home and taking their payment checks and living nicely without working, without even trying to work.

CLAY: So what should we be doing, from your perspective? You talked about the graph that you did. Starting back in February 2020, things were on fire in the Trump economy, everything was working well and then covid arrived almost like a neutron bomb that goes off there. What should we be doing right now if we wanted to try to get back to the growth trajectory that we had in February of 2020?

LAFFER: Let me first say what I think we should have done then.

CLAY: Okay.

LAFFER: We should have had one bill of maybe $1 trillion, maybe less than that, just one, not the $3.5 trillion that was done then by the president and Congress, and not the $3.2 trillion that was done by Biden when he first got in, and not the $6 trillion that he wants to do with Build Back Better. Just one bill to do Operation Warp Speed. Find that cure, find the remedies as fast as you possibly can. Trump did that beautifully.

It was just a wonderful use of government and government resources to find a solution to a problem really quickly. He deregulated the health care industries and the laboratories and all of that, and we got a vaccine within a year! That’s incredible! We got all these other remedies as well, all this other stuff that was just unbelievable. That’s all that should have been done.

Now, there are people who lost their jobs, that’s true. But everyone lost. And, you know, whenever you transfer money, if you take from someone who’s rich and you give the money to someone who’s poor, by taking from the rich person, you’re gonna reduce that person’s incentive to work and he’s gonna work less, she’s gonna work less. If you give it to someone who’s poor, you provide them with an alternative source of income, and they, too, are gonna work less.

Whenever you transfer resources, you cause a reduction in output, employment, and production. And that’s just what we’ve done in the last two years, 2-1/2 years. And it’s terrible, and you’re seeing the consequences everywhere. It’s not an unemployment rate. You’ve got a supply-side problem now. People don’t want to work ’cause they’re getting paid too much by the government, and they don’t feel the necessity of having to go to work. And it’s going to inure very detrimentally to the long-term prosperity of the U.S. Believe me when I tell you.

BUCK: If you could get, Art — before we let you go — 60 seconds or so with Biden and whoever actually makes the decisions in this White House around him, but let’s just say we’ll stipulate Biden and his top advisers in the Oval Office. Just for the good of the American economy and the American people, what would you tell ’em to do, that you think theoretically, the Democrats may be willing to go along with or at least consider if they get crushed this fall?

LAFFER: Well, the one thing I think that the Democrats may be willing to consider that would be very good is have a payroll tax rate reduction. I mean, just reduce the payroll tax to half of what it is now, and then you would incentivize workers to come back to work, and you would be able to increase their incentive to go. I was hoping to get one comment with you on Ukraine, though, if you guys are interested in one quick comment.

BUCK: Sure.

LAFFER: ‘Cause when you look at Ukraine — and I’ve been there, I spent some time there, I’m passably knowledgeable on it. The damage is already done with the troops. A credible threat, as the Soviets have posed on the border, achieves what a military victory could only achieve, but it does it without the use of force. Who’s going to invest in the Ukraine today?

No one. I don’t care what happens on the border there, no one’s gonna invest. Ukraine has already been disastrously damaged. If you’ll remember before Poroshenko, the Yanukovych was a pro-Russian president of the Ukraine. Now, Zelensky now is not. But with this type of pressure on Ukraine, there is no way from Sunday they’re gonna come back and be a productive, healthy nation for a long, long time.

CLAY: Art, really quick question: I told my kids that I would ask you about this. How has Ferris Bueller changed your life, the fact that you are mentioned in that movie?

LAFFER: I loved it. It was sort of fun. I enjoyed it very, very much. I was caught flat-footed when I saw it the first time. I know Ben Stein, knew his father very well, but my kids loved it too! I’ve got six kids. I’ve got 13 grandchildren, four great-grandchildren. They love that thing. I just play it over and over and over again for ’em. But it did bother me, if I may say, all those students sitting there with their faces on the desk, drooling all over the desk and not paying attention.

CLAY: (laughing)

LAFFER: In my classes I’d have snapped them out of there.

BUCK: There we go.

CLAY: (laughing)

BUCK: Art Laffer, everybody. Great question, Clay. Art, thanks so much.

LAFFER: Hey, thanks! Talk to you.

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Ian Miller, King of Twitter Covid Graphs, on His New Book

21 Jan 2022

CLAY: We bring in now Ian Miller, who I found online because he does such incredible data analysis and graphs. He’s @ianmSC. I just tweeted out his handle. If you are active on social media, I encourage you to follow him. Ian, you take a great deal of glee in pointing out the absurdity of mask and vaccine mandates in terms of stopping the spread of covid in any way. When did you start to make these graphs, and how much viewership have your graphs gotten over time? Do you have any real idea? You’re doing the Lord’s work here in sharing this stuff.

MILLER: Heh. Well, thank you very much. I started doing it I would say last summer is when it really took off. I know the numbers are pretty crazy. Twitter shows you the analytics — it’s tens of millions of views per month, which is fantastic — and I know it’s gotten into the hands of some very influential political people, leaders and politicians. So been very humbled and grateful that it’s done as well as it has.

BUCK: Ian, you’ve got this book out this week, Unmasked: The Global Failure of COVID Mask Mandates. That’s one of my favorite book titles I’ve been able to read out loud in a long time, because as I was just describing, I am an anti-masking fantastic. I think that this is insane and horrifying and it’s a mass hysteria and has been from the very beginning. What are some of…? As you know, this is still highly contentious.

And there are a lot of people who think of themselves as very smart — they’re not but — they have big perches in the media and in government who still take it as effectively settled science that mask mandates work. You’ve got this book Unmasked; you’re looking at all the data. Just give us some of your best stuff and what are some of your best punches at the Fauciite mask madness?

MILLER: Right. Well, I think one of the best examples is in California where you have a Los Angeles which has been as devoted to this as anybody. Los Angeles has essentially been under a mask mandate since April of 2020 and has some of the highest covid case rates in the world, death rates in the world as well. The L.A. County public health department just recently put out a press release saying that we’ve measured businesses, went around that have 95%-plus people were wearing masks.

Since Gavin Newsom said “gee what could go wrong” in response to states banning mask & vaccine mandates, hospitalizations in California, with mask & vaccine mandates, are up 325% and higher than at any point since January 2021

Wonder why no one in the media’s asked him about it pic.twitter.com/HuUpVc2Pkz

— IM (@ianmSC) January 18, 2022

And L.A. reported one of the high school individual case rates that we’ve seen anywhere in the United States recently so they’re measuring it as everybody’s wearing it, it’s still not working; the numbers are still skyrocketing through the roof. And there’s many examples of that. But that’s one of my favorites just because we know for a fact that everybody’s complying here in California and it’s not working.

CLAY: So if it’s not working, we saw in England — and you can say, “Well, it’s ’cause Boris Johnson is under a great deal of political pressure,” but it’s almost like that pressure gave him the confidence to finally do what the data has shown him for a long time, which is to eliminate their national mask mandate and also to eliminate their vaccine passports. The data is the exact same, if not more so, in the United States. When will any politician on the Democratic side of the aisle — in your opinion, based on what you are seeing — actually have the confidence to say anything similar to what Boris Johnson said?

MILLER: It’s a great question. I don’t know that it’s gonna happen anytime soon. You know, Jared Polis from Colorado was the closest, and he basically said, “Other states have done this’ we’re not seeing better results there.” It requires the willingness to kind of admit that everything they’ve been doing for the last two years didn’t work and never worked, and that is very tough for politicians to do. I think Boris Johnson had the…

You know, he was getting criticism from his own side of the aisle, and unfortunately Democrats are not criticizing each other. They’re not saying, “We should end mask mandates.” They’re just doing more of it. Now it’s we’re gonna send 400 million N95 masks out there, which will be just as useless as the other ones, and if you followed me on Twitter, I posted Germany already does this. They already have N95 mandates, and cases are at record highs right now. So I don’t know when that’s gonna happen. I hope it’s soon, but I don’t see it happening anytime soon right now.

BUCK: Ian, that’s very interesting because early on some of the mask studies, if anyone actually bothered to read studies that are on the CDC website and were peer-reviewed, control-studied mask situations, it showed that cloth masks are essentially — again, whether it’s measles or the flu, cloth masks are — a joke. They don’t really do anything.

But there was always this belief that N95 masks — because, unlike coth masks, at least the basic aerodynamics and mechanics of this might line up, right, that the opening in the mask fibers are small enough that a virus wouldn’t freely pass through it. But it sounds like what you’re telling me is that even in Germany where they did the N95 mask mandate upgrade, which is currently fashionable among Fauciites in America, that there was no discernible difference in caseload in Germany after the N95 masks? Is that right?

MILLER: That’s correct, and you can go and look. A couple of their provinces — sorry, states — already had N95 mandates and some only had surgical-grade mask mandates. The ones with the surgical mask mandates have done better than those with the N95 mandates. There’s just no difference, and we’ve seen this play out all over the world. But when you compare real world data and obviously a lot of these studies are very well done, but some are also just mechanistic lab studies where, “Oh, we think it might work in the lab,” but then when you get into the real world, if it’s not fitted properly, it’s still gonna have aerosols leaking out from the sides. So it’s not totally surprising, but in the real world they haven’t made any difference at all.

CLAY: We’re talking to Ian Miller. We encourage you to go check out his book, which is Unmasked: The Global Failure of COVID Mask Mandates. Also, you can check him out. Read his Substack, Unmasked, which is also fantastic. He’s @ianmSC on Twitter. So we know that we have failed. We know that many Western democracies have failed in our response to covid.

Who has done the best job? Which country based on…? You look at a lot of this data and analyze so many different countries. Based on what you’ve seen, who’s done the best job maintaining normalcy while still responding in some way to covid? What was the optimal-response country that you could point to?

MILLER: The obvious answer would be Sweden. I think that they’ve done the best job. They haven’t been perfect, and their leaders will tell you, “We made some mistakes early on with nursing homes.” But they never mandated masks, they never enforced mask usage, they didn’t have strict lockdowns. It was much more voluntary — some capacity limits, things like that. They tried as much to keep normal life going without making covid the sole focus of all of their policy.

For more than a year, Germany has reported more new COVID deaths per million than Sweden each day, despite endless media praise for N95’s, medical grade masking and strict vaccine passports for most businesses

I wonder why Sweden doesn’t get praised for having better results pic.twitter.com/USgVDVj7vr

— IM (@ianmSC) January 21, 2022

And I think they’ve succeeded, and the results show that. I write about it in the book, but right now, I think they’re around 60th in the world in mortality rate, which is unexceptional. Countries that did lockdowns and mask mandates like Peru? Peru is the highest death rate in the world. So they’ve disrupted their social life, they disrupted their economic life — did all the mask mandates and the lockdowns — and had significantly worse results, whereas Sweden tried to avoid all that. They’ve really followed all the guidance pre-covid what they said to do, and it worked out just fine for them. They did just fine.

BUCK: I want to know something, Ian. Do you get a lot of…? You know, one of the things that’s been interesting for both Clay and me this entire pandemic are the doctors who will reach out behind the scenes and say, “I can’t say this publicly ’cause they’ll go after my license, or my hospital will take away my privileges and all this. But what you guys said about X or Y,” usually in criticism of Fauci, “is true, and a lot of our colleagues in the medical community know it’s true.”

I’m wondering what that’s been like for you as a guy who’s just very… You have this very direct approach of “the data,” you know, you’re just using the actual CDC numbers and data and letting people visualize it by putting out these graphs. Do you have a lot of medical people reaching out to you? And also, do you have people who reach out to you who are MDs, who say, “Wow, you know, now that I see this, mask really don’t do a damn thing”?

MILLER: Yeah. That has happened. It is surprising. And I think one thing people forget is that a lot of times doctors, they’re busy. They’re seeing patients. They’re working. They’re not really looking at a lot of the data. And a lot of times the doctors that we see on Twitter that are just kind of parroting the Fauci narrative. They’re just repeating what influential people are saying. They don’t really go and look at the actual research themselves very often.

So it has been gratifying to hear people that said, “I didn’t really look at this. I just kind of listened to what everybody else was saying. But now seeing it, I understand it’s not working and I’m trying to incorporate that into my own practice.” And I’ve had people reach out about contributing to lawsuits and things like that. Societies been really gratifying to hear from people and validating to hear that a lot of experts do agree with this, and they just can’t feel… They can’t speak out publicly for fear of retribution, which is just insane.

BUCK: Well, the book is Unmasked: The Global Failure of COVID Mask Mandates. I’m gonna get a copy and just keep it on my wall —

CLAY: (laughing)

BUCK: Keep it right there, stare at it all the time, ’cause I hate he’s these mask mandates. Ian Miller, everybody, check him out, @ianmSC on Twitter. Ian, thank you so much.

MILLER: Thank you.

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21 Jan 2022

CLAY: Welcome in! Friday edition, Clay Travis, Buck Sexton show. I am coming to you live from the free state of Florida. Buck would have been here if he had not gotten Omicron. He is — with his scarf — hanging out in his apartment almost at the end of his quarantine process — 80 degrees and sunny down here. We have got an awesome present for our listeners in the Fort Myers area.

It’s gonna be a really cool, 5 to 7 o’clock Eastern here. We’re looking forward to meeting hundreds of our listeners down here. Got a lot of great affiliates, Buck. You and I are gonna get out and about, some on the road during the course of 2022, and hopefully be able to meet a lot of our different listeners all over the country. We got an event coming up in Houston in the in the future.

It’s great to be in Florida right now, and so much to dive into here. We got a great show lined up for you. But right off the top again, thanks to WFSX, all of you out there listening in southwest Florida to us on WFSX. We love you guys and we’re looking forward to having a great event this afternoon, evening here in Fort Myers. But, Buck, one of the things we talked about a couple of days ago was you knew the panic was setting in, in the wake of a disastrous press conference for Joe Biden, as all of the first-year polls were coming in showing how underwater Joe Biden is.

One of the craziest ones I saw, Buck: Only 28% of voters nationwide want Joe Biden to run for reelection in 2024, and so there’s been an attempt to manufacture a crisis. And that manufactured crisis has to be outside of the Democratic Party because we got crises with everything that’s going on with the murder rate. You’ve got the border disaster, covid at all-time highs. You have inflation at a high going about it all the way back to 1982.

And so there needs to be an external focus, something that can take away attention from the Democrats and Joe Biden, and that turned into “There’s tension between Donald Trump and Ron DeSantis!” Well, last night on Sean Hannity’s show, former President Trump directed that answer as explicitly as I have seen anybody. Let’s play cut 1 as Trump addressed his relationship with Ron DeSantis.

PRESIDENT TRUMP: I get along great with Ron. Ron was very good on the Mueller hoax. He was right up front along with Jim Jordan and all of the rest of them. They were fantastic. The Republicans really stuck together, and it was a great thing. And Ron was one of them, and Ron wanted to run, and I endorsed him and that helped him greatly, and he went on and he’s done a really terrific job in Florida.

And I think, you know, Ron has been very good. He’s been a friend of mine for a long time. It’s like totally fake news. I think Ron said last week — he said it very publicly. He says, “The press is never gonna get in the middle of my friendship with Donald Trump. We’re not gonna do that stuff,” and he said it very strongly. I thought (chuckles) it was very interesting, actually and is very nice. But he said that. And I agree with him on that a hundred percent.

BUCK: I never bought this, Clay, that there was some feud. It’s so obvious, right? It’s the oldest trick in the book for the libs to point out at this time some open warfare breaking out between the Trump and DeSantis camps. They are terrified because let me say this: I think they recognize, what, we have 28% of Americans want Biden to run again? You told me that poll right before we came on air. I think they’re terrified because they realize not only could Trump right now beat Biden, DeSantis right now would beat Biden.

And if the two of them work together in any capacity, whoever is actually on the ticket or whatever the case may be, there’s no way the Biden regime is gonna get for more years. And they already know it. So they’re willing to play the dirtiest tricks. These are the same people that say January 6th was an insurrection. So, yeah, they’re trying to start a fight between Trump and DeSantis, and we shouldn’t fall for that for a second because there’s no reason for them to fight.

CLAY: Well, this is what I think is going to be the big question going forward, Buck. It is to what extent is 2022 and then later 2024 depending how exactly it lays out a referendum on Joe Biden? To the extent that Biden is the story, and the Democratic Party is the story — which is what it should be — then Democrats are gonna get destroyed, because what they did in 2020 was hide Joe Biden and try to make 2020 a referendum on Trump, in particular based on covid.

And now the referendum on Biden is an unmitigated disaster. There is no way to defend Biden. In fact, Biden right now is clearly going to be the worst president pretty much of any of our lives. When you really look at how badly things are going… Now, maybe he can start to pull things up in the next couple of years. Maybe things won’t be as bad as they are right now. But we’re talking about a historically inept presidency on virtually every level.

That’s why I thought it was funny that Biden said, of all the ridiculous things he said in his press conference on Wednesday, Buck, the idea that he believed he had outperformed expectations is maybe the most ludicrous of anything. Because even the most dyed-in-the-wool, die-hard Joe Biden fan isn’t willing to accept the idea that he has in some way delivered any form of excellence at all.

BUCK: Jimmy Carter is one of the big winners of the Biden presidency because I think, Clay, we’ve reached the point where Jimmy Carter’s like, “I’m much better than that guy,” you know? I think Jimmy Carter has a lot of room to make the argument that Joe Biden is far less competent than even he was already. So you start with that, and then I think on the DeSantis Trump front, let’s keep in mind: They want to us focus on that feud, which doesn’t exist.

But they want to create that feud in advance of the midterms. We’re not even in the presidential cycle right now. And why is it so important for them to create this perception that there’s disunity among the GOP? Because you have both Trump — who is still a very potent force among Republicans and very much able to get people fireman and mobilized — and you have Ron DeSantis — who, as governor of the state of Florida where you are right now (where I wish I was but covid) — he’s proving the model of Republican governance in the era of covid in a way that I think is gonna be a critical component of the GOP hopefully shellacking that they hand out to the Democrats this fall.

So we’re in a midterm cycle, we’re not in a presidential cycle, and so all this stuff about, “Oh, but, you know, DeSantis and Trump,” is they’re trying to distract. They’re trying to turn us against each other, and I was honestly so happy to hear — wasn’t surprised but happy to hear — that from Trump, just because this is the way it’s gotta be. We have to crush the commies this year. That is the focus.

CLAY: And, Buck, I would point this out to your I think astute observation there. We’re in a midterm. What the Democrats are basically doing by trying to create conflict between Trump and DeSantis is default acknowledging that DeSantis is gonna win in 2022, because he’s gonna be on the ballot down here in Florida where I am in November. So if they’re already talking about how DeSantis won’t bow down to Trump in 2024, they’re implicitly acknowledging — by creating that conflict this early — that 2022 is not going to be a challenge.

‘Cause remember initially, Buck, in the early days of covid, they tried to argue, “We’re gonna knock DeSantis out. The way he has run the state of Florida is going to leave him vulnerable, and we’re gonna beat him in 2022.” It’s an off-year election. Florida isn’t voting at the same time as a presidential election. He narrowly won in 2018, and they were thinking, hey, we’re going to knock him out as a viable national candidate by beating him in 2022.

Now, just based on this narrative cycle, they are implicitly acknowledging, “Hey, he’s gonna win, and it may not even be very close. Let’s go ahead and try to create angst between Trump and DeSantis.” They’re already a narrative cycle ahead. They’re already effectively acknowledging the butt kicking that they are gonna get in 2022 and trying to serve up some protection for 2024.

BUCK: Yeah. The person that’s running, as I understand it, against Ron DeSantis on the Democrat side for governor is pretty unserious year, Nikki Fried, who is the Florida commissioner of agriculture. Also, my Florida friends tell me that this is one of the worst years in memory for the citrus harvest, which is a big deal in Florida for obvious reasons. It is the Sunshine State. It is the citrus state in many ways. So Ron DeSantis, you’re right, he’s probably looks like he’s a shoo-in for governor.

But keep in mind, adding to all that is all the people who have moved to Florida who are overwhelmingly gonna be DeSantis supporters. And so this now becomes a state that is looking like isn’t just a little but is gonna be solidly red for the foreseeable future. And it’s in direct contravention of what they were telling us was gonna happen early on in the pandemic. You remember this. They were like, “Just wait and see what happens in Florida. Just wait ’til all the mayhem and the unmasked destruction that will go on.”

Yeah, if by that you mean hundreds of thousands of people running to Florida saying please, “Please, can I live here instead of the psycho-lib state of…?” Usually it’s California, New York, maybe New Jersey, a few other places. That’s what’s been occurring. So we’ve run the experiment, Florida won, and now what do we do with that political momentum? That’s what I think remains to be seen, and that’s why I’m so glad DeSantis and Trump are gonna be working together on this.

CLAY: Buck I’ll tell you this when I walked outside of the Fort Myers airport — it’s not as big a deal for me obviously ’cause I live in Nashville, which is also a free state inside of Tennessee. But the number of people from the East Coast walking outside of the airport and ripping off their masks the moment they walked outside of the airport, it’s like seeing people suddenly being able to cross the Berlin Wall back in the day.

You were coming from East Germany to West Germany, and you just feel the freedom sort of emanating everywhere. There’s a joy and a glee and a euphoria that you will see when those East Coast airplanes land in Florida and people come walking out of the airport, rip off their masks, breathe the warm air, and they’re like, “Oh, my God. I’m free again.”

BUCK: I feel like Andy Dufresne in Shawshank, but instead of sewage, it’s communism that’s dripping off of me, and I’m walking out into the free sunshine of the state of Florida every time I leave that airport. It is a remarkable feeling. It is absolutely the closest thing to feeling like you’re crossing over the actual Iron Curtain back in the 1950s and the 1960s, and everybody who’s lived in both places knows it. You’re no safer in New York than you are in Florida — in fact, the opposite recently — when it comes to covid.

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TAPPER: If we’re saying that there’s no election that are legitimate if there are efforts to suppress the vote, then when has there ever been a legitimate election in this country? (snickers) Trying to suppress American votes has been going on since the founding of this country.

PSAKI: That’s not what we’re saying, Jake. People should be confident in the protections that we’re going to continue to enforce. But also, we know it’s not long-ago historical. It is recent history —

TAPPER: Sure!

PSAKI: — when the former president tried to overturn the outcome. That is different than the effort to suppress the vote. We need to fight against both. We need to assure we’re using every tool at our disposal. Uh, obviously, a lot of those would be through the Democratic National Committee, uh, and a lot of those are gonna be through local efforts. And that’s what the president was — was attempting to speak to.

BUCK: Their narrative doesn’t make any sense. Can we just…? Let’s dive into this for a second. That was Tapper over on CNN asking a real question, and welcome back to the Clay and Buck show. Let’s take a look at this for a second. They’re telling us, Clay, that unless dramatic changes are made — I just want to put this in, and then we do have to talk about the updated M&Ms.

CLAY: (laughing)

BUCK: I got my cut sheet confused here for a second, but their argument seems to be — and this is why they’re having so much trouble now selling this to the public. Forget about it the fact that they were never gonna really pass this and that it was all for show because they’re not gonna get the filibuster chang and they knew that. But they’re really emotionally, it seems, and politically invested in this narrative of “protecting voting rights.”

They’re the ones that want to make dramatic changes to existing voting laws that have been in place — depending on the law we’re talking about — for decades, right? It’s been the way that things are going, talking about when early voting occurs, talking about voter idea, all these different things. And so they say, “If you don’t do what we want, maybe we can’t really trust this election’s legitimate.” Well, if that’s their pitch, Clay, for this fall, how is it that they can tell us that they accept all the previous elections where their preferred changes weren’t actually made? It doesn’t hold water, doesn’t hold up.

CLAY: What we need, Buck, is an absolute ass-kicking in 2022 and 2024 where it’s not an in-the-margin election, right? Because the truth of the matter is, when the election is really close — and we’ve seen a lot of really close elections over the past, really, 21st Century. In fact, the only real election that I remember happening in the 21st Century were where people said, “Yeah, I think that wasn’t really in question,” was Obama-McCain, right?

Obama won by enough over John McCain that nobody was like, “Okay, we need to go look at the specifics in this individual state.” But if you look back, Gore-Bush, super tight. Bush against Kerry. John Kerry and the Democrats, they argued about what happened in Ohio, right? They argued that one was close. Then you had Obama-Romney which came down to a couple of states, people argued about that.

Trump and Hillary, certainly, Trump and Biden. What really, I think, is the essence of all these arguments over elections is when you lose closely, you can look at the data and figure out a reason why were you wronged, right? Whether you’re a Democrat or Republican, everybody argues that they actually won unless they get their ass kicked, and that’s why we need — I really mean this, Buck.

In 2022 and in 2024, it needs to be such a thorough ass kicking. Nobody argued about the election results in 1984 when Ronald Reagan destroyed Walter Mondale, right? Everybody was like, “Well, you know, what? This was a crushing.” Nobody argued in ’88 when George H. W. Bush took it to Michael Dukakis. I don’t really remember arguments in ’92 or ’96. What we really have to have is just a real win — a win that is not disputable in the margins based on a few thousand votes in an election state — and that’s where I think we need to be sooner rather than later.

BUCK: I totally agree, by the way. We have to win by so much that it’s not something that can be reasonably questioned because if it can, they will, and they’ll just use it as a political weapon in the most cynical fashion, which is what they’ve done in the past anyway. But this time around, I’m with you. They’re gotta get crushed.

CLAY: Can’t be close.

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21 Jan 2022

CLAY: Buck, I’m down in the free state of Florida. You are still wearing your scarf, trapped in your apartment, as you attempt to recover from Omicron. Do you feel, by the way, back to 100%?

BUCK: Excuse me, sir. How do you not know this isn’t my ready-to-go face covering at a moment’s notice? You think it’s a scarf, but it could very quickly turn into a Fauci anxiety napkin at a moment’s notice, and therefore I am compliant with all this idiocy that does nothing to stop the virus. But I am prepared, sir. I feel fine. I keep calling it wimpy-cron. It’s not that bad. It’s not that bad.

CLAY: Compared to… ‘Cause I had… I was fortunate neither time that I had covid. I had it in November 2020, and I just had what we believe is the Omicron version last week. I’m back 100%. You feel like this version — ’cause you had it pretty severe the first time, this version of covid. I mean, it wasn’t… You and I both had really bad colds. People could hear it on the radio in November. It was not covid. This is a pale approximation even of that cold we had earlier in the winter-fall, right?

BUCK: Oh, it was. Whatever that upper respiratory thing was, people listening to this show know — you had it, then I had it. Weren’t in the same city but it was spreading across the country. That was way worth than what we had here with Omicron. I just… There’s something funky going on here because they say it’s all Omicron across the country and they say it’s far less lethal. But we have 1,800 deaths a day. So are 1,800 people a day dying of Omicron? Is that what we’re supposed to believe? That doesn’t seem like it’s far, far less lethal than Delta. So is it the 5% of cases that are still out there are Delta are causing 95% — I’m making up those numbers — of deaths?

CLAY: No, no. You’re asking a really significant question, which is: If Omicron is so much less deadly, how is it that we are still having nearly 2,000 deaths a day attributed to covid? I think one answer is a lot of those deaths are not covid deaths, right? And we’re starting to see… If the state of New York, for instance, is gonna come out and say, “Hey, half of the people that are — roughly half of the people that are — hospitalized for covid are there with covid,” meaning, they weren’t actually being hospitalized with covid…

And I think, Buck, what you’re going to see is there’s gonna be more and more of an examination of these numbers ’cause, as you’re pointing out, if Omicron –which is reportedly 98 or 99% of all covid infections now. If it is actually the cause of these people being in the hospital, then you wouldn’t expect for covid death rates to continue to be around 2,000 a day, which is where we are right now.

BUCK: I think I saw… Wasn’t the most…? Do you remember what when they kind of amplified…? They took a look at what the mortality rate was of covid — of Delta covid — versus Omicron. I think it was at least considered 10 times less lethal, right? Wasn’t that the number? Something along those lines based on the early data? Again, folks, I’m going off of memory, there’s a lot of numbers changing; so please don’t take that as gospel. But I’m just trying to…

I mean, they definitely said for a while, that South African epidemiologist who discovered Omicron, the initial data was that nobody was dying in South Africa from Omicron. They were only dying from Delta. So there’s just some things here with the numbers that don’t add up. And, you know, Clay, I had mentioned before when we had Senator Rand Paul on this, and I just wanted to remind folks about it, because I think this is gonna end up being very, very significant.

But there is data from the General Hospital of San Francisco — a very big, very skeerse medical institution — that suggests that we’re not getting the full picture here of what’s really happening with covid infections and mortality across the country. Here’s what he put out on his Substack. Did you see the Substack, the one I’m talking about?

CLAY: I looked it up after you told me about it.

BUCK: Yes, 72% — again, this is Alex Berenson’s data. But has anyone ever said his data is wrong, folks? You ever had him had to come on and say, “Yeah, those numbers, those were fraudulent numbers”? Never happened. At least not that I’m aware of. Seventy-two percent of covid patients at San Francisco General Hospital are vaccinated, okay? Twenty-six percent of them — so almost a third — are boosted, and the total numbers he has for covid-positive patients for San Francisco General Hospital: 19 unvaccinated, 32 vaccinated with the first two doses, 18 boosted — and covid positive but not admitted for covid, 23. There’s no way this “pandemic of the unvaccinated” thing, the numbers don’t add up, Clay.

CLAY: No.

BUCK: It just doesn’t add up, and Rand Paul basically said, “How many seniors are there out there who are unvaccinated at this point?” We’ve been advocating for every senior to get vaccinated, and what is it now, over 95%?

CLAY: Five percent, roughly, of people over 65 are unvaccinated. And, Buck, I want to play this cut from Fauci. But what’s interesting going on right now is you have an acknowledgment from CDC — which they refused to talk about forever — that natural immunity starting in October of 2021 was better at protecting people from severe outcomes from the Delta strain than was the covid vaccine.

And you’ve already had the Pfizer CEO come out and say (paraphrased), “Hey, basically the first and second shot of our covid vaccine provides limited, if any, protection against Omicron.” And so now you’ve got Fauci is optimistic, Buck, and maybe this is just Fauci recognizing… I thought it was really interesting in hour 1 what did Rand Paul tells, Buck?

He said that he thought Fauci would resign as soon as the midterms happened, because he would know that with Republicans back in control in the House and back in control potentially in the Senate, that he was going to be grilled on all of the improprieties involving his gain-of-function researcher, American tax dollars, his relationships with China.

He thought he would run for the hills by November of 2022. But it’s interesting if you listen to this clip in conjunction with what Rand Paul just said, it’s like Fauci is starting to think, “Hey, maybe I can claim victory and go ahead and retire,” and this time he’s citing natural immunity — I don’t remember this ever happening before — as one of the reasons for his optimism. Listen to this, Buck.

FAUCI: The combination of vaccinated and boosted people ,and the protection afforded by prior infection, will have a level of protection in the community so that you won’t get the situation where there’s enough activity which leads to hospitalizations, deaths, and stressing the health care system — which, in fact, answers a bit of your first question. “What about Omicron if you get infected can you get infected again?” Sure, there are reinfections, but it is unlikely that if you mount a good immune response, it is extremely unlikely that you will be reinfected with the same variant.

CLAY: So Fauci suddenly finds natural immunity and recognizes that it’s likely to lead us out of what has been a two-year absurdity of constant cycles of masking up and unmasking and then your kids candid be in school and lockdowns and you have to wear and behave in this manner. I really do believe that if Omicron is spreading as we believe it is, that by the summer it’s gonna be hard to justify very many restrictions at all, and we might be right back to where we were in May of 2021, when you remember with great fanfare the CDC came out and said, “If you get the vaccine, you no longer have to wear masks,” and that fun lasted what, Buck, about 60 days before they came back and said, “Actually, put masks on again”?

BUCK: Yeah, and I think this is the problem Democrats are gonna run into in the midterms. They’re gonna want to make it seem like they’ve beaten the virus. They’re gonna want to go with the “we’re past it now” narrative. But in the background, they’re not gonna get rid of masks on planes, I can tell you that. Not before the midterms. No, sir, ’cause they still have their base terrified about all this stuff. I mean, irrationally terrified of covid.

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