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Animal Thunderdome: Woman Gets Pink Eye from Lab Monkey Spit

26 Jan 2022

CLAY: You know things are wild everywhere, but a woman got attacked by a monkeys? What exactly is this story? It’s Planet of the Apes style.

BUCK: This is crazy. Just a few days ago — it was on Friday — a woman happened upon the scene of a trailer crash, a pickup towing a trailer with a hundred monkeys. She tried to assist, and one of the monkeys — as they are known to do, for those who have spent time around monkeys — spit at her and hit her, and now she has developed what is described as “pinkeye symptoms.” But a woman happened upon a crash of lab monkeys, I guess.

I don’t know what they’re doing with these monkeys. I gotta find that out. Oh, they’re being transported to a zoo. That makes sense. Oh, wait. “At the time, Fallon said after she learned the crates contained monkeys, she assumed they were being transported to a zoo because the driver never mentioned anything about the monkeys being imported and being transported to a lab.” Oh, no.

CLAY: Oh no. So they testing, monkey testing.

BUCK: That’s in the USA Today story. So they are lab monkeys. This is, I believe, very close to the beginning of the movie 28 Days Later — which is terrifying — and also the movie Outbreak, which I think involves a monkey biting a person.

CLAY: So we used to do for people out there who were OutKick listeners back in the day in our sports-talk radio show we would do Animal Thunderdome stories and we were down in Fort Myers, and I got a question from a guy in the crowd who said, “Can you bring back an Animal Thunderdome segment?” and Animal Thunderdome was basically people getting attacked by animals.

This is a pretty tough spot to be in. You don’t want to hear that you have developed some sort of medical response to your interaction with laboratory monkeys. I mean, that is (laughing) of the sentences… If you think you’re having a rough day, unless you have been attacked by laboratory monkeys and develop some sort of reaction to that, your day’s not that bad.

BUCK: Imagine you call your physician. “Hey, Doc. I gotta come in and see you.” “What happened? ” Well, there was a lab escape of a bunch of monkeys. I don’t know what they were doing the tests with, but one of them spat at me, and now I can’t really see out of one of my eyes.”

CLAY: (laughing)

BUCK: I think the doc might show up with one of these big hazmat suits. That, by the way, will stop the virus. Just to be clear, that actually works.

CLAY: I’d be in favor of a hazmat suit there. I might be in a hazmat suit if I was that doctor.

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Unvaxxed Canadians Assigned Minders to Shop for Food

26 Jan 2022

BUCK: I sent this one to Clay and the team last night. Canada… You know, the same way that I’ve said… We have to come up with a tag line. If Australia has turned into “East Germany with koalas,” then I feel like, you know, Canada has turned into, you know, the gulag with maple syrup or something. I mean, they definitely gone nutso up there over covid.

This is one of the more extreme things that has come out of covid. This is from the Canadian news broadcast. I’ll tell you, this is a real thing. They now want to have people who are unvaccinated followed by a store employee to make sure they only are allowed to buy in the store food and pharmaceuticals. No furry hat for you! None of that Mounty garb allowed or whatever they’re gonna buy. I don’t know. I’m doing some Canada stuff here. This is what they say.

HILLARY JOHNSTONE: Today, big box stores that have a footprint of 1,500-square meters or more are going to have to ask people — customers — to show proof of vaccination. Now, pharmacies and grocery will be exempt from this. So if you’re going into a Costco or a Walmart or something like that where you might be going in to buy groceries or visit a pharmacy, in that case, an employee will have to be with that person as they walk through the store to make sure that they do not go and buy other products or other items that might be in the store.

BUCK: So, Clay, I just want to be clear. If you’re a Canadian who’s unvaxxed, you could go into a Walmart, and you can buy a ham sandwich. They’ll allow that ’cause, you know, the virus is like, “Whoa, you’re just buying a ham sandwich.” But you reach for a pair of warm wool socks for those cold Canadian winters; they’re gonna have to throw you right out.

CLAY: This is unbelievable to me. So I’m unvaccinated. This is in Quebec? That’s a big province. That’s a lot of people, right? If I was able to sneak across the border into Canada — ’cause I don’t even know if I can get in the country right now unvaccinated, but if I were there — I’d go into Costco. I don’t shop a lot. It’s probably not gonna shock you, Buck, but I’m not a big shopper. So I go to, like, Costco and I go to Amazon and that’s almost exclusively where I buy.

I occasionally go to the grocery store. Okay. That means if I go into Costco — one of my favorite things I do at Costco is go by the book section; they have tons of book and they’re usually pretty cheap — I would have a minder with me in Quebec who would disallow me to look at the books while I was in Costco and would shove me back to another aisle. I couldn’t buy tennis balls. I couldn’t buy a toy for my kids. I couldn’t buy a book or a jacket.

BUCK: You’d have someone with a “Hi, My Name Is Phil” button on slapping your hand if you try to pick up a copy of White Fragility. Not allowed, sir.

CLAY: Imagine this. You are pushing your cart — I don’t know if they would let you use a cart or not, but let’s presume you’re gonna be able to use a cart — and, what? This minder would tackle your cart and…? Think about how crazy this. The minder would disallow where you could push the cart inside of a Costco, right? Because if you’re familiar with Costco, God forbid…

You’re not getting any samples, either, by the way. But if you’re familiar with a Costco, they intermix lots of different products. So you’re talking about going down an aisle, and they might have cereal, but they might also have — I don’t know — batteries not too far from the cereal, right? That batteries are impermissible.

BUCK: This a proposal for morons. You’re already breathing. If you’re expelling covid — which we all are when we’re infected, regardless of vaccination status or not, but if you’re expelling covid — it doesn’t matter if you grab a sweatshirt to go with your Cracker Jacks or whatever. This is the dumbest thing, but this is what happens. They just keep doing stupid things and they pretend like they’re not stupid and they act like we’re anti-vax and we’re bad people.

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Red State Restaurants Flourish, Blue States Flounder

26 Jan 2022

CLAY: This is from Nate Silver, who runs sort of a data-and-analytics website that focuses on politics to a certain extent but also other data, and I just thought this was fascinating. OpenTable. My wife books a lot of our dinner revelations on OpenTable. Buck, I’m sure you’ve seen used this app before. I’m not claiming that it’s a perfect approximation of restaurant availability.

BUCK: I’m a super user, by the way, of OpenTable. Whatever the equivalent is of the airlines where they send the car to pick you up to take you to your plane, I think they do that for OpenTable. I’m diamond platinum status or something on Delta. I’m that for OpenTable. I spend too much money on food.

CLAY: So I thought this was interesting. Looking at reservations in restaurants on OpenTable, January of 2022 compared with January of 2019. And, Buck, listen to some of these numbers. Cambridge, Mass — Harvard — OpenTable reservations down 75%. The woker the community, the more they are destroying the economy surrounding that community. San Francisco restaurant reservations down 66% on OpenTable. I’m curious if you’ve seen this, Manhattan, down 64%. Have you noticed when you go out to restaurants that it’s a noticeably Spartan environment inside of the restaurant compared to past years?

BUCK: What I’ve seen in New York, Clay, is that it is harder than ever to get reservations in a lot of the restaurants because so many restaurants and neighborhood places have closed and everybody’s forgotten now. So you actually have a consolidation effect that has occurred. You also have more than ever — and people are gonna laugh about this in other parts of the country. I know. Laugh at us in New York. This is what we have to deal with.

You now have to pay often for a reservation. If you don’t show or even you have a 48-hour… It’s almost like a hotel. You’ve got a 24- or 48-hour cancellation window, sometimes $100 a person. So if you, theoretically, get covid and you call a restaurant and say, “Hey, I can’t make it tonight; I’ve got covid,” they say, “We’re charging you $100 a person for the reservation you’re not showing up for.” So that’s all over Manhattan now.

CLAY: D.C., by the way, down 59%. Boston down 48%. L.A. down 41%. Okay. Here are a couple of cities that are not as impacted. Houston down around 13%. Seems like there’s a lot of sane people in Houston. Las Vegas — I thought this was interesting — actually up 1%, and Miami —

BUCK: Oh, yeah!

CLAY: Miami, since 2019, is up a substantial 14%. So Miami restaurants, according to OpenTable data, are way busier — thanks to AOC and all the Democratic politicians traveling down to have their vacations, way more busy — than they otherwise would have been. And there’s a big roster out there of seven-day averages out there. I just wanted to hit some of these cities that are actually sane. Ft. Lauderdale numbers are up nearly 10%. Florida’s a free state.

Kansas City up 5%. Naples up 2%. Scottsdale is up. Vegas is up. Miami Beach is up. Tampa is basically flat. My home city of Nashville, basically flat as well. Sanity prevails. You got a lot of Texas places that are not that far behind. But the red states and red cities — blue cities sometimes inside of those red states — restaurants are still able to make money and run, some of them even more profitably. The more blue you are, the more disastrous the overall impact is here.

BUCK: I’m starting to think, Clay, that the same way that when it comes to Second Amendment rights, there are clearly two Americas.

CLAY: Yeah.

BUCK: There are two very different countries. You can live in a state like Florida or Texas or Tennessee or a lot of other red states where people are listening to this show. You know, we’ve got a lot of people listening in Nebraska, states where, “You want to buy a gun? You’re not a felon? You got a driver’s license? You go through the process; you go buy a gun.” It’s not that hard, right?

In New York, buying a gun is effectively impossible, although I think the Supreme Court is gonna strike that down, too, coming up here, not far from now. So that will be good news when it comes to at least carrying. You have to be able to carry your gun. It can’t just be only for the range — and there’s no ranges, really, except for one in New York City. Anyway. But I think we’re gonna see this going forward with covid restrictions too. I think in blue states now they can’t turn this monster off permanently, ever.

So what they’re gonna do is you’re gonna go into, you know, New York and California are gonna be states where you have mask on/mask off, restrictions come/restrictions go, school closure/virtual learning, all for the shutdown. Florida, Texas, Tennessee, and others are gonna say, “No we just don’t do that,” and I think that’s actually… If we’re gonna talk about a new normal, that’s what we’re heading toward now. And the only, then, big challenge is, “What do you do when the federal government, like the Biden regime, tries to trample on everybody?”

CLAY: Blue is becoming bluer as a result of covid, and red is becoming redder. Here’s the question that I have, Buck, that is kind of hanging out there. Will there be a market-based reality in blue states? And what I mean by that is if you look at the data on where people are moving, they’re overwhelmingly leaving blue states and going to red states over the past couple of years.

Which, by the way, also sends the message that blue states aren’t safer, right? If for some reason it were way safer to live in a blue state, we would see, I think, population migrations going in opposite directions. Instead, everybody is leaving New York, California, the Chicago area in Illinois and they are coming to red states — Texas, Tennessee, Florida — places that have embraced freedom and allowed kids to go to school.

BUCK: If it were really more dangerous — that’s an excellent point — you would have news organizations in places like Los Angeles and New York City doing interviews with, “Oh, my gosh! I was so scared of the covid in Texas!” There’d be these kind of covid refugees from the red states, and that just does not exist, because even Democrat voters in red states are observing the reality around them and realizing, “Ah, I’m not… This is not actually ‘an experiment in death’ as The Atlantic once said about Georgia’s reopening.” Remember that? Oh, I’m sorry, “in human sacrifice.”

CLAY: Yes, “human sacrifice,” and I would also say this, Buck. The people who are moving are even more likely to have children. And the one thing that I think is true out there is, people do whatever is the best for their children. So if kids were actually in danger from covid, you would see families overwhelmingly relocating to blue states. You’d see this caravan of fear. It’d be like the Dust Bowl back in the day when everybody fled Oklahoma to go to California. Instead, everybody’s fleeing California and New York — and, again, the Chicago area, those are the number one migration places — and they are pending in red states. I think that’s pretty significant.

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CNN’s Acosta: Loudoun County Parents Threaten Democracy

26 Jan 2022

BUCK: The school board battles are back with masks on the front lines. Mask mandates in places like Virginia, New York. People are fightin’ this one out. We got the Clay and Buck show back now with you. Thanks for being here. This is a moment where we have to ask, “What is the plan?” because we have Fauci and the rest of them now saying the same stuff they’ve said all along which is, “We know how to control this virus.”

No, they don’t. Okay? Clearly, they don’t. Clearly all the stuff that we’ve been made to do — all the stupid nonsense — didn’t actually work. The mandates didn’t actually work, and they can’t stop the spread of the virus. That was a fantasy to begin with — and a very dangerous one from the perspective of liberty and the rule of law in this country. So parents are upset because here’s what’s happened. In some places, the people voted, and they put individuals in charge — Virginia notably, but there are other places as well — where they have now been told, “You don’t have to have kids masked up in schools.”

You will not be surprised to find out that the neurotic parents who have been masking their children willingly the whole time — which is just now state-sanctioned child abuse, to be very clear on that. The parents who have been willingly doing that and say, “Oh, this is great…” There’s a lot of them here in New York, a lot of them other places across the country. They are outraged at the notion that another child might be sitting next to theirs without a mask on. “Oh, my gosh! They’re putting Little Timmy and Little Sally in so much jeopardy.” That’s the idea.

Parents are completely outraged about the way that not only some of these school districts are reacting to the new rules — which rely on, Clay, what we’ve established, which is cloth masks don’t work, everybody. Sorry. Sorry, it’s a surprise to not the listeners of this show but to the libs who mask up their kids. Here is one in Loudoun County, Virginia. Once again we live situation, a circumstance where parents are speaking out.

MOTHER: It has been 686 days since our kids have had a normal school experience. We know things now that we didn’t know 686 days ago, namely, that children are not at high risk for serious illness from covid. That is a fact. Masking is a psychological stresser. It disrupts learning and the ability to communicate. It interferes with happiness. Masks are particularly detrimental to young children, those with autism, and those who are struggling with anxiety. To those who say students don’t mind or they’re used to it, I encourage you to ask them. So why do we mask kids who are factually at an extremely low risk? The answer is simple. To make triple-vaccinated adults feel safe.

BUCK: So, Clay, you know, the mask is just a part of the overall debate right now. You might have seen over at MSNBC one of their lib anchors did this whole thread on Twitter about how… What is everybody complaining about, Clay? Schools are open. It’s fine. Shut up, peasants. What’s the problem? Schools maybe open but they have insane mask restrictions in place.

My own high school has kids on the basketball court masked up. I have a friend in Baltimore who just emailed me last night to tell me that her children — about your kids’ age, by the way — have to mask up during all sports. They’re masked up by the school while they’re playing sports! No field trips. No after school for a lot of different kids, all kinds of crazy restrictions. It is not normal, and we shouldn’t pretend that it’s normal.

CLAY: Well, and there still are a lot of kids that are not in school, Buck. This idea that everybody is back and everything’s back to normal? No, no. Even Joe Biden himself in his press conference pointed out that around 5% of schools were not actually in session right now — and, by the way, that’s one out of every 20 kids two years, nearly, after we shut down for the first time, and those numbers are continuing to grow. There’s still lots of kids being quarantined.

There are still all sorts of issues associated with everything surrounding masking in schools. And, Buck, remember I went and talked to my school board back in August, I believe it was now, of 2021. And that was, to me, sort of the moment that crystallized how much of a rebellion is brewing in the suburbs that helped to set the table for what took place in November in Virginia, right?

And it nearly took place in New Jersey. Suburban parents in particular, the swing voters there, are fed up. Moms are furious about the fact that their kids still have to wear masks — and, by the way, covid policy is still a mess. My kids right now are home today because if a number of teachers test positive, they are allowing individual schools as opposed to school districts…

This is the first day they’ve missed all year. They’re gonna be home Wednesday, Thursday, Friday, and then be back on Monday. But it’s based on the policies that are in place as it comes to teachers testing positive. And I would imagine, Buck, with all of these people who are super nervous about covid, the overwhelming number of the tests — which we didn’t talk about but guess where those tests are from that Biden is sending out? China, right? We bought like a billion dollars’ worth of tests from China to send out to all of the American householders which many Americans are getting and being like, “Oh, the irony here.”

BUCK: Florida, as we know — always gotta talk about Florida when we’re talking about freedom — has a ban on mask mandates in schools. That doesn’t mean you can’t wear a mask. It means you cannot force, as a function of school policy, children to wear a mask. To me, this isn’t all that different from a Florida had an anti-corporal punishment rule — like, you can’t hit kids with rulers.

Because I think that masking up kids is abuse, but if parents are choosing to do this because they’re neurotics, that’s up to them. The point here, though, is that we have an enormous state with tens of millions of people living in it that has a no mask mandatory rule in schools. And it’s fine. Kids aren’t dropping dead. They don’t have outrageous covid case numbers in the schools.

CLAY: Hundred percent right.

BUCK: Everything is fine. But what you have is California and New York, they don’t care about the evidence, they don’t care about reality. And, by the way, in Virginia they’re fighting this out now, the school boards. Loudoun County school board is saying that they’re taking this to court; they gotta mask up all the kids, Clay. This is what CNN’s Jim Acosta said. So sad for Jim and the ratings these days over at CNN. Here’s what he says about what Virginia’s like now.

ACOSTA: The new culture wars are impacting our laws, and some experts fear they could be weakening our Democracy just as badly as the Big Lie. Here to discuss, Molly Jong-Fast, contributing writer for The Atlantic, uh, and author of the newsletter, “Wait, What?” Molly, I seem to remember Glenn Youngkin campaigning in a fleece vest in Virginia. He was running as a different kind of Republican. I was told there was going to be a vest, not a Soviet-style police state across the Potomac from Washington.

CLAY: It’s amazing, Buck, to think about the way they would classify giving parents a choice as representing “a Soviet-style police state.” See, they have tried to turn freedom into a form of authoritarianism. Again, I think we have to keep echoing and reinforcing this, Buck. They’re not banning masks. They are letting parents choose whether they want their kids to wear masks or not, which is the very definition of freedom. It’s the exact opposite of authoritarianism. The government mandating that you do something is what a dictator would do.

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Old Pols Like Pelosi Hang on to Office for Dear Life

26 Jan 2022

CLAY: Justice Breyer — news breaking as we started the show — stepping down. Buck, we were talking about it off the air. There are several different names that are out there. Remember Joe Biden has promised that he is going to end up with a black woman on the Supreme Court, and I believe we have a couple of cuts of the announcement on CNN, if I’m not mistaken. Here is the breaking news from CNN as they discussed Stephen Breyer and also who might take over for him.

JESSICA SCHNEIDER: Huge news, John. This has actually just been confirmed by our Wolf Blitzer, that at 83 years old after 27 years on the Supreme Court, Justice Stephen Breyer, the leading liberal on the court, he will retire. We’re still not exactly sure of the timeline, but presumably not until the end of this term which ends usually at the end of June. This retirement announcement comes after what has been a persistent drumbeat of calls from progressives to retire from the court dating back now just about a year. It was about a year ago when the progressive group Demand Justice actually hired a mobile billboard that drove around Capitol Hill in front of the Supreme Court urging Breyer to retire.

BUCK: This is just another admission, Clay, that the Supreme Court is now a political institution, as much as people like to pretend for the sanctity of our democracy or whatever — depending on the day — they either say it is or is not that. Clearly this was a political move. I think it’s funny, too, she says “probably.” I think it’s a safe bet, Clay, I think he’s probably gonna retire at the end of this term.

I don’t think they’re gonna wait until after the midterm elections, given Joe Biden’s poll numbers. But it is also remarkable, this guy 83 years old. I know there are 83 years old listening to this who could run faster than me do more push-ups and are in amazing shape and all that, but I mean that it was even a consideration that he was gonna continue on much beyond this is pretty astonishing.

CLAY: Well, they pushed Ginsburg, the left did, to retire for a long time. And so far, as we know, Breyer has been relatively healthy. And Ginsburg refused to step down and then as a result, ends up having the opposite party give her replacement, Amy Coney Barrett. And look. This has been an issue going back. Thurgood Marshall refused to step down, and then he ends up dying and his placement is Clarence Thomas, right?

So this is… You know, Anthony Kennedy made the choice, “Hey, I’m ready to step down. I want Trump to be able to replace me.” Now Stephen Breyer is making that decision. It’s honestly, I think, a smart move for a Supreme Court justice to step down and know that his seat, if you want to say his or her seat, is going to be replaced by the party that nominated them.

BUCK: Other people can do these jobs. I mean, there’s a lot of very smart lawyers in the country.

CLAY: Yes.

BUCK: As we all know.

CLAY: They are replaceable.

BUCK: This notion that you have to stay in this role… The fact that Nancy Pelosi just announced she’s actually running again? I’m just wondering, is Pelosi gonna be a hundred and still showing up on TV and telling all the plebes that we should just listen to her while she’s got all the mansions lined up behind her? It’s ridiculous.

CLAY: Well, I think, Buck, you and I, fortunately, are still relatively young. I think some of these people who end up around those ages are afraid that if they don’t have the motivating factor of the job, whether it’s Nancy Pelosi, Stephen Breyer… this happens in sports a lot, where if you step down, Joe Paterno and Bear Bryant, like you almost immediately die because that’s what you’re living for. I think there’s a fear there.

BUCK: That’s a little morbid, but fair enough.

CLAY: Yeah, it’s dark, but I think there is that fear out there.

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    Clay Takes Swings At Big Tech, Baseball HOF

    26 Jan 2022

    Clay appeared on Fox & Friends to call out Big Tech’s censorship hitting the Clay & Buck Show. Google’s YouTube banned our interview with Sen. Rand Paul M.D. about covid policy, and gave the C&B YouTube channel a strike! Plus, putting on his OutKick cap, Clay confronted the elephant in the room at the Baseball Hall of Fame. 

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    Gordon Chang on China’s Covid Genocide and Role in Ukraine

    25 Jan 2022

    BUCK: Gordon Chang is with us now. He is the author of The Great U.S.-China Tech War. Go check out his Twitter, follow him there. @GordonGChang is where you follow him, and he is an expert on all these matters. Gordon, thanks for being us.

    CHANG: Thank you so much, Buck and Clay.

    BUCK: So, Gordon, first off, we got a couple things here — obviously the Olympics coming up in China. We want to talk about the Russia-Chinese relationship and how that may play into the Ukraine situation. But first, Clay asked Alex Berenson just before you came on about a Covid Zero policy in China. We know that they’re hiding stuff, lying about stuff in totalitarian state, right? Everyone listening to this gets that part of it. What do we know about how China is handling covid and what the reality is of what they’re facing?

    CHANG: The Zero-covid policy is really driving things and that is basically no transmissions are acceptable, and that means that they put people in extraordinary lockdowns. So, for instance, the people in Xian were not allowed to leave their apartments from December 27 to just a couple days ago, which means they couldn’t go out and buy food. We have seen lockdowns at the ports in China, which is important because that’s affecting the supply chain in the U.S.

    And there are these lockdowns in Beijing, which is extraordinarily sensitive because the Olympics are starting on February 4th if the disease doesn’t get out of hand. And clearly it is getting out of hand because they can’t control it around China and they’ve got no vaccines which work, which are even less effective than ours, and so isolation is their only defense. And they are shutting down their country in order to stop the disease.

    CLAY: And that seems like — Gordon, thanks for taking the time to join us. That seems like a really difficult policy to be embracing. Remember, Australia tried to do Covid Zero, and they just abandoned it as soon as they got the vaccine because they said, “Covid Zero isn’t sustainable long term.” Omicron seems like it spreads so rapidly that it would be almost impossible even in an authoritarian, communist, totalitarian state like China to even manage that. But so that’s my thought.

    But I wanted to ask you this, Gordon. Does it seem incredibly strange to you, based on your expertise associated with China, that within less than two years after China brings covid … lies about it and allows it to spread everywhere, that everybody would show up hat in hand … for the Beijing winter Olympics? I can’t get my mind wrapped around how the All-Star Game can get pulled out of Georgia over a voting rights bill that isn’t even restrictive, and yet every democracy in the world is fine with showing up in China and bowing down to Chairman Xi, given what’s going on in China and what China has inflicted upon the world. Does that seem incongruous to you as well?

    CHANG: Yes, it’s absolutely incongruous. It’s also a sign of feebleness of the West. Remember what Beijing did here, as you were referring to. They lied about contagiousness — they knew it was highly transmissible but they told the world it was not — and while they were locking down Wuhan and other parts of China, they were pressuring other countries to accept passengers from China without travel restrictions and quarantines. Now, you put just those two things together.

    There are more, but you put just those two things together and it means that China deliberately spread this disease. That means 5.5 million people outside of China who have died from this disease just completely unnecessarily. That means each of those deaths were a murder. That means, by the way, Clay, that if you look at Article II of the genocide convention of 1948 — which China is a party — that this is a genocide: 5.5 million people killed.

    BUCK: We’re speaking to Gordon Chang, author of The Coming Collapse of China and The Great U.S.-China Tech War. His Twitter handle is @GordonGChang. Follow him there for analysis on this. Gordon, right now the world stands on edge at some level wondering if and when there will be a Russian incursion into Ukraine. A lot of people are pointing out that the U.S. response to this could result in a shift in Russia perhaps towards even warmer, closer relations with China. What should people know? Just put this into context for us. Putin and Xi, where do they have crossover, where are they working together, and how concerned about this should we all be?

    CHANG: China and Russia are effectively an alliance, as they say. They actually say that they’re closer than allies. What the problem here is that they’ve been coordinating their foreign policies for a little more than a decade. They’ve been exercising their militaries together since 2005, and in August of last year, for the first time, Russian troops were using Chinese weapons, which demonstrates interoperability.

    So we have to assume that these are not two separate countries, that we don’t have one crisis in Taiwan and another crisis in Ukraine. We’ve got one crisis, and it’s being stage-managed in Moscow and Beijing. Now, people say, Buck, that long term China and Russia can’t form an enduring partnership, and I agree. But the point is that’s irrelevant, because in the here and now, these two powers are working together to destabilize the world, to redraw the map of the world with force.

    CLAY: Gordon, we know, obviously, what Russia is potentially going to do in Ukraine, and obviously that feels like a lesson that China could take based on what is going to happen with Taiwan. Do you believe that Chinese assault or occupation of Taiwan is going to happen in the next couple of years or even during the Biden administration, or would you still say that’s highly unlikely?

    CHANG: I would say that it’s unlikely. I wouldn’t say “highly unlikely,” and there are a couple of reasons for that. One of them is that for China to invade Taiwan, Xi Jinping, the Chinese ruler, would have to give some general or admiral almost complete control over the Chinese military and that would make that flag officer the most powerful figure in China, and Xi Jinping is not about to do that. Also, the Chinese regime is extraordinarily casualty adverse.

    So they’re not gonna accept hundreds of thousands of people killed, unless, of course — and this is the point that we often forget — there is an accident, that you have two planes come together, two ships come together. It could be Chinese and Taiwanese, could be American and China. But the point is that the possibility of an accident is high. The other background factor is that Xi Jinping has made the takeover of Taiwan the critical test of the legitimacy of the Communist Party.

    And we know that China has moved against its victims when the Americans and others have been distracted elsewhere: 1962, Cuban missile crisis, China invades India’ Korean War, China invades Tibet and East Turkestan, which is now Xinjiang. So this is out of the Chinese playbook that while we’re distracted someplace else, they go move on their enemies. So this is exceedingly volatile right now.

    BUCK: Gordon Chang, author of The Great U.S.-China Tech War. Get your copy. Also follow him at @GordonGChang on Twitter. Go to GordonGChang.com for his latest analysis. Gordon, also appreciate it, sir. Thanks for being with us.

    CHANG: Thank you so much, Clay and Buck.

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    The No Mean Tweets Guy Calls Peter Doocy a Stupid SOB

    25 Jan 2022

    CLAY: We want to start with blatant hypocrisy. Buck, you well remember Joe Biden ran his presidential campaign with the promise that he would not send mean tweets, that he would restore decorum and honesty, and that he would bring forth a culture of common humanity to the White House. Now in the past couple of pressers he has been caught insulting reporters.

    I was told when Donald Trump insulted reporters that the entire republic was under siege, that the First Amendment was under assault. Most Blue Check Brigade members loved this. If you missed it, Joe Biden yesterday afternoon caught on a hot mic calling Fox News reporter Peter Doocy a stupid SOB. I think we can say it, right? I’m not sure. Anyway, let’s listen to the audio cut here.

    DOOCY: Do you think inflation is a political liability ahead of the midterms?

    BIDEN: It’s a great asset. More inflation. What a stupid son of a bitch.

    BUCK: Oh. Oh. Oh.

    CLAY: So Joe Biden, stupid SOB. Now, we need to get the clip also, Peter Doocy interacting with Jesse Watters. Did you see that clip, Buck, where they…? We need to play that at some point too ’cause it’s pretty funny.

    But Doocy later went on Sean Hannity, said that Biden later called him and told him it was, quote, “nothing personal, pal.” Listen to this.

    DOOCY: Within about an hour of that exchange, he called my cell phone and he said, “It’s nothing personal, pal,” and we went back and forth, and we were talking about just kind of moving — moving forward. And I made sure to tell him that I’m always gonna try to ask something different than what everybody else is asking. And he said, “You’ve got to,” and that’s a quote from the president. So I’ll keep doing it.

    BUCK: Clay, he asked something different by asking a question that isn’t meant generally to prop up the failing Biden regime.

    CLAY: (laughing) Yeah.

    BUCK: That’s how he differentiates himself from the rest. I’d say this too. Notice how on the right, we have a sense of humor about this. Biden… I’ve said this before on the show. He’s actually not a super nice guy. This is all mythology they created around him in part to make it seem like he’s just likable and he’s kind of like a Mr. Magoo character when he says things that are absurd or starts mumbling.

    But, you know, he’s lovable, good old Scranton Joe. That’s just not true. He’s actually been a pretty rough and below-the-belt guy, hitting below the belt for a long time. And it’s something that you see playing out right now with Peter Doocy. You see everyone on the right is like of course the hypocrisy from the journos comes out right away, that you see they’re saying things like, “Oh, well, it’s not as bad as Trump,” whatever. Is it okay when a president says this stuff or not?

    Is it okay when a president goes off? You know, we also recognize that this is the regime and Peter Doocy is sitting there asking real questions and that’s going to upset the establishment, that’s gonna upset the apparatus, and so that’s what ends up happening. By the way, it is personal. He doesn’t like Peter Doocy ’cause he asks real questions and makes Joe Biden look dumb, so it clearly is personal. Joe Biden is not a smart man. We all know that. So that’s also kind of adding insult to injury.

    CLAY: Well, and —

    BUCK: Just say you’re sorry, you know what I mean? Just say you’re sorry.

    CLAY: The other thing I would add… First of all, I don’t care. Right? I understand some people out there can be offended. Buck and I… I try not to curse in my real life as well. Certainly, we can’t curse on the radio show.

    BUCK: Really?

    CLAY: By the way, it doesn’t mean that at some point we might not curse, right? Occasionally. Have you ever cursed on the radio before accidentally?

    BUCK: No, but I cannot tell a lie to this audience. Salty language in my life off the air is not something that I shy away from.

    CLAY: Yeah. And I have cursed a couple of times. I’ve been on the radio now for 15 years or whatever. I’ve accidentally cursed — never angrily at someone, just something funny happens and you’re like, “Oh, that was [blank]ing brilliant,” right, as an adjective. Anyway, so I’ve cursed a couple times and I have a drop button and I can’t promise that I might not curse on here, but I try to — ’cause I can’t curse on television, can’t curse on radio.

    I try to avoid cursing in my real life as well, not to say that I’m perfect on it. But it doesn’t bother me that the president would curse. I’m not bothered by that. What bothers me, however, is the inconsistency of the reaction to it. And this is something that is consistent to me, Buck. I always think — for purposes of argument — as if I am a lawyer and as if I am a judge who is putting out opinions, and there has to be a precedent.

    There has to be a foundation upon which you build what you stand for, otherwise you’re just blowing in the breeze, and you are biased, and you’re gonna swing wildly from one direction to the other. So, when the Brian Stelters of the world say that the First Amendment is under attack when Donald Trump calls somebody an SOB, and then they love when Joe Biden does it and they enjoy it, and they’re like, “Oh, it’s a great joke.” Well, that is bias, right?

    So, if you’re not going to be consistent in the way you apply it… We saw all the Democrats grab their pearls and fall onto their fainting couch like, “Oh, my gosh. How can the republic recover? The president has cursed a journalist!” I didn’t care then, and I don’t really care now. But I just want there to be consistency here, and the lack of consistency probably doesn’t surprise a lot of you. But when Trump sent a mean tweet, the republic was under siege. When Biden curses a reporter, it’s just, one, the reporter might deserve it — which is what most of the blue checks said — and, two, it’s not that big of a deal in the grand scheme of things.

    BUCK: It’s one of these moments where we have to remember we already know that the journos are in the pocket of the Democrat Party. They are the Democrat Party. It’s really just playing games to pretend otherwise. The journos are clearly Democrats. But I do think it’s worth it for us to at least occasionally point out the obvious hypocrisy, as we’re doing right now, with the way that they pretend in one moment to be guardians of the First Amendment, to be the fourth estate, the ones that are protecting our democracy, right?

    And then the second, that somebody who falls within their ranks very clearly — Peter Doocy is a journalist or is doing journalistic activities day in and day out — they forget about all that because they really are playing for a team. We know this. This is not a surprise to any of us at all. It’s not a surprise to anyone listening to this program. But we do point it out just because I think it’s necessary in case anybody is still on the fence out there.

    In case anybody’s wondering, “Is modern journalism effectively an extension of the Democrat Party and largely premised upon the fraud that they’re objective?” the answer is “yes” to both of those questions. (chuckling) They are dishonest. And I also feel like the more time we spend — so we won’t do much of it today — on anything other than the continued just failures and spiraling of the Biden administration.

    Clay, I think they would rather have to have a Biden beer summit with Doocy, anything other than talk about the economy, talk about Ukraine, talk about the border. Although I think they like talking about Ukraine. We’ll get into that. But all these other areas of failure on the domestic policy front, what are they gonna say at this point, right? The Build Back Better agenda? We’ve heard the talking points a million times.

    CLAY: I will say, too, I think you’re a hundred percent right, and I wonder on some level whether this was intentional by Joe Biden, because I know he apologized, I know people say it’s a live mic. First of all, you presume most of the time I think, if you’re president, that the mic is live. Shouldn’t be hard to avoid accidentally saying things into a mic. Just presume that your mic is always on. And this is a problem with Biden in general.

    He always seems to be kind of mumbling into the mic as the press is being escorted out? Say whatever you want, but presume the mic is going to be on. And I wonder on some level, too, remember, this just happened, what, on Friday, I think, that, Buck, that we had the president denigrate a female reporter and say that her question was stupid, and he got accused by some people of sexism based on that.

    I wonder on some level whether this was an intentional opportunity to insult Doocy, because Doocy here was directly asking a question that was connected to the briefing that they just had, which was about inflation. So, Biden said he didn’t want questions on other subjects. But here he was directly being asked about inflation, which, frankly, is probably the single biggest issue going on in this country right now in terms of its impact on voters.

    BUCK: I remember there was an episode… I didn’t watch much of The West Wing because it was the liberal alternative presidency during the Bush years and I recognized it as such. But I saw a few episodes ’cause people kept talking about it, bringing it up, long time ago. You remember, what was the president, Martin Sheen? What was his name again?

    CLAY: Jedediah Bartlett or something like that.

    BUCK: Jartlet or something? What was it?

    CLAY: Bartlett was the president.

    BUCK: Jed Bartlett! There we go.

    CLAY: Jed Bartlett, yeah.

    BUCK: Jed Bartlett. Jartlet, Bartlett, something like that. But I remember there was something where he refers to one of his opponents, and it’s on a hot-mic situation. He refers to one of his opponents as like a 9mm brain in a .45 caliber world or something like that, and the whole gag for the episode is, like, he knew the mic was on. He just wanted to say something and pretend like he didn’t say it. And I think at some level Biden wanted to say this.

    He knew he was standing in front of the microphone a room full of people. He didn’t think the mic was off. He didn’t think no one was gonna hear this. But he wanted to take a shot, and it’s because you know what this does, man? It galvanizes the Democrat left journos. They go, “Yeah, he’s still one of us! He hates the actual asking of real questions by opposition, so he’s one of us.”

    CLAY: I also think it is a sign that Biden is feeling the pressure associated with everything raining down on him right now. Even Joe Biden who tries to convey the sunny optimism, in the moment his response on the inflation question (laughing) to me belied a great deal of frustration. A lot of people are focusing on the insult. But to me the sarcasm of, “Yeah, it’s a great thing.” you know, they try to pretend it’s “transitory.” The reality is it ain’t going away, I don’t think, anytime soon. And I think they’ve recognized that now.

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    BIDEN: (montage) Ask the right questions! … What a stupid son-of-a-bitch. … Come on, man. … That’s like saying, you know, before you got in this program you take a test where you’re taking cocaine or not, what do you think, huh? Are you a junkie? … Go back and read what I said. … Why why why why why why why why why why you get nervous, man. … That is an interesting read in English. I assume you got in the Journal because you like to write. … Have a higher IQ than you do, I expect. …That’s not true. You’re saying things you do not know what you’re talking about. No one says that. Who said that? Who said that? … Don’t poke that in my face, okay, buddy?

    BUCK: Welcome back to the Clay and Buck show. Just a little taste there of Joe Biden. Such a grandfatherly, calming, uniting figure. Unless you ask him a question he doesn’t like, then he calls you a dog-faced pony soldier or challenges to you a push-up contest. Or just basically calls you an SOB in front of everyone. So, we’re not gonna do the whole… The libs actually cry about all this stuff, and then when something like this happens. They say, “See? The Republicans…”

    No, we don’t care. We actually don’t really care. We think it’s almost amusing to watch them try to pretend we’re a bunch of snowflakes the way that they are. But I gotta say Clay, at some level there’s also, I think, an understanding that this Biden regime — this Biden administration — is just in rough shape. They’re not able to get it done on a whole variety of fronts, and so Joe Biden is getting more irascible; dare I say, a little bit more —

    CLAY: There we go. SAT word.

    BUCK: — “get off my lawn” than people might have anticipated on his side of things because what’s he gonna point to right now?

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