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DeSantis Throws Roundhouse Kick at White House Propaganda

27 Jan 2022

BUCK: Clay, this one was almost too much. This one was almost too much. You know that Jen Psaki went out and said that Florida was not doing enough to reopen schools. The state of Florida is somehow not an open state on this issue. I just wanted to hear the governor fighting back again on this one. Here you go.

DESANTIS: The White House press secretary stands in front of that podium and lies through her teeth every single day, and usually about the state of Florida. The other day she said, “Florida hasn’t done enough to get schools open.” Are you kidding me? I remember them criticizing me when we did this almost two years ago! We were the only big state to have every school district open for in-person. And we did that way before Biden was even president. We didn’t need the Biden stimulus money for that. We did it, we opened them, and yet they’re saying Florida didn’t do it, and you look right now at all the school closures across the country; you don’t see that happening here like you do there.

BUCK: Unbelievable.

CLAY: I want to give Ron DeSantis direct praise on this, my personal experience. Okay. When I was doing our sports show, Buck, Ron DeSantis came on and said — one of the first people I can ever remember saying it — not only are schools gonna be open in Florida this fall, we’re playing every sport event in Florida, right? And people out there listening to in Florida remember how controversial of a decision that was.

He was saying that in June and July of 2020 ’cause, remember, schools start early in the South (chuckles) because a lot of people play football. That’s one of the reasons. But you’re in school usually in the South by August. And, Buck, I’ll tell you this. We had this direct conversation in June and July of 2020. My wife and I, we’re fortunate; we’ve got a place in Florida. We were gonna relocate our family to Florida to have our kids attend in-person public school in the state of Florida if Tennessee wasn’t going to have in-person schooling.

We were gonna uproot. We got three boys. We were gonna pick ’em all up, pack ’em in the car, and go right down to Florida and enroll them in Florida public schools because I was so psyched about DeSantis coming out in June and July of 2020 and saying, “Not only are we gonna have schools open, but if your kid plays a sport, if your kid is involved in an extracurricular activity, we’re gonna do that too,” and he did it. And do you know what the data reflected?

It didn’t harm the kids. There was no massive increase in overall covid infections because of schools being open. We just had that conversation, Buck, about Flint, Michigan, for instance. Gretchen Whitmer’s state up there. There are still kids not able — after almost two years, since “15 days to stop the spread,” there are still kids unable — to get an education in many parts of this country. It’s a disgrace.

BUCK: Just think of how pathetic the propaganda is here coming from Psaki at the White House. Florida hasn’t done enough to open schools? It’s not even effective in trying to speak to the Democrat base. Everyone knows that’s completely crazy. But I think they’re in a place where they’re desperate. Clay, this is like saying Aaron Rodgers — my new favorite NFL player — is not a good enough quarterback. I think he’s a pretty good quarterback. (laughing) I think saying that he shouldn’t be playing football would be kind of crazy, right? Ron DeSantis, dare I say, is the Aaron Rodgers of quarterbacks.

CLAY: The Aaron Rodgers of governors?

BUCK: I’m sorry. (lauging) Of governors. Thank you.

CLAY: I think even Ron DeSantis would be like, “Hey, I don’t think…” I know Ron DeSantis a big sports fan. Even he who might have strong self-confidence, I don’t think he would call himself the Aaron Rodgers of quarterbacks. He did, by the way, play baseball, which is I think one reason why he was so aware of the importance of keeping schools open for athletics.

He played baseball at Yale, I believe. Good baseball player growing up in Florida, went to the Little League World Series. You know this, Buck — and I’ve seen it because of what I do for a living, and everybody out there who has been involved in sports knows this. There are a lot of kids that go to school so they can play on a sports team, and what you have to hope is — and you know this from coaching yourself.

What you hope is, if you keep those kids in the classroom, eventually that lightbulb goes off. What I would always tell kids is, “Use the ball, don’t let the ball use you,” because if you’re a talented athlete, people will take advantage of that athletic ability and keep you eligible in school, and you hope that lightbulb goes off for a kid and they say, “Wait a minute. Even if I’m a tremendous athlete, by the time I get into my thirties, I have virtually no ability to compete at a high level anymore, but your brain can continue to refine itself years and years.” Athletic mortality is a young age, and that’s why I think keeping the sports leagues open in addition to the schools is so important.

BUCK: This is also why — and I have to keep saying this. I use the term “mandated child abuse” by Fauci — I mean it — when you see what’s going on across the country because it’s psychological abuse for a lot of these kids, to be separated, to be kept at home away from their peers, to be masked up all the time. And then on top of that, all these other things, the Democrat narrative is, “Oh, we’re fine.

“Schools are open again, for the most part. Biden himself said 95% open.” Hold on a second. First of all, the fact that that number is not a hundred percent two years into this is disgusting. It’s disgusting. It’s unacceptable. Put that aside. And, by the way, if we were in a bad flu season and you had, you know, 20% of the faculty of one school that were sick, yeah, of course, shutting down for a day is okay. But that would have been normal before, right?

That’s not necessarily a covid thing. Look, if you got people sick you might take pause just so people can recover and come back into the classroom. You’re not doing this forever zero-covid policy. So that’s one part of it. But also, there’s a dishonesty, Clay, about how things are normal for kids in blue states, whether it’s New York, Maryland, California, you name it. Things are not normal. They do not have sports. They do not have after-school activities.

They are segregating kids right now in Loudoun County, Virginia, in rejection of the governor’s order. It’s lawless is what they’re doing. They’re segregating masked and unmasked kids in the school building, and so I guess technically that’s open in-class learning, but they’re separate out these kids based on whether they want to wear masks or not. Very happy to see — I don’t know if you saw this, Clay — there are some students showing up at schools in Loudoun without masks even though the school district is saying you have to wear masks anyway. ‘Cause what they’re doing is lawless — and if they kick any kids out, they should be sued, there should be action taken.

CLAY: No doubt. They’re standing in the schoolhouse doors. We had Joe Biden try to compare American senators to George Wallace. We have a direct historical connotation here because Carrie Lukas, I believe, who we talked to yesterday said that there are security guards standing on the schoolhouse steps not allowing children without masks on to enter into the school. And, Buck, I’m glad you mentioned that 95% number.

Because Biden in his press conference made a big deal about how, “Hey, you know, 95% of schools are open.” That 5% that’s not open is overwhelmingly minority kids, right, that are not able to go to school — and 95% isn’t good enough, to your point. It needs to be a hundred percent. Imagine if Biden had said, in response to police misconduct, “Guys, there’s way too much attention to police misconduct here 95% of the time police cause no issue at all.

“I’m really upset that you guys in the media focus on that 5%.” Democrats would impeach him. They would say, “Wait, you’re saying that the George Floyd incident is overplayed and that it shouldn’t be representative of the larger context,” even though it’s way fewer, right, than 5%. What would you say, 99.9%, I would imagine, of police interactions with civilians are completely without inappropriate behavior.

And here he’s saying 95%. One-in-20 kids, again, overwhelmingly representative in that one in 20 are minority kids, which is supposed to be the base of the Democrat Party. The Democrat Party claims that they care about them so much; overwhelmingly that group is represented here — 95% is not good enough when it comes to kids in school.

BUCK: The metric should also be not whether schools are open. Are schools back to normal?

CLAY: Yes.

BUCK: Full-scale normalcy. Number of kids in the classrooms, no masks, all activities, full-scale normalcy — and, of course, no vaccine mandates. So this fight is far from over. But you’re noticing one of the ways they try to prevent the mobilization of sanity against Fauci tyranny is by saying, “What’s the big deal? Schools are open. Everything is fine.” That’s a lie. Everything is not fine, even in places where schools are open. I think it’s important that we remind everybody of that.

CLAY: And I think also, by the way, some good news. I’m sure you saw this. We haven’t mentioned it yet on the show. Denmark has become another sane country. Come February 1st, they’re eliminating all covid restrictions in their country.

BUCK: Everything.

CLAY: No masks.

BUCK: Everything.

CLAY: Zero restrictions. They’re going back a hundred percent to normal. That’s what England is doing. That’s what Scotland is doing. I’m sure there are other European countries that are considering doing the same. And tomorrow when we talk to the trio that wrote that Atlantic piece about how masks in schools have zero scientific support.

Again, The Atlantic is not known to be a source of right-wing propaganda as it pertains to masks. This a very traditionally left-wing magazine. And the fact that this kind of article is occurring there is symptomatic, I believe, of sanity starting to penetrate. It was there with the Bill Maher show and Bari Weiss. There is an underpinning of sanity that is starting to rise up even on the left side of this country.

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What Democrats Are Doing “For the Children” Is Child Abuse

27 Jan 2022

BUCK: We’ve been warning you about this for a while. A lot of you know this already from your own children, their experiences. This is from a WPBF-TV news report in early November. People are paying more attention to this now. Masks are causing an over 300% increase, this speech therapist says, in speech delays among very young children.

SPEECH AND LEARNING INSTITUTE CLINIC DIRECTOR JACLYN THEEK: We’ve seen a 364% increase in patient referrals of babies and toddlers from pediatricians and parents.

WPBF-TV ANCHOR MARK KELLY: And they are children that are having a difficult time speaking?

THEEK: Speech delayed.

KELLY: Babies start learning how to speak by reading lips as young as eight months. So what happens when lips and faces are covered up by masks? Well, therapists say for some kids, they can work around the mask and still learn to speak perfectly fine. But for others, it can cause speech delays.

THEEK: There’s no research out there yet to say that this could be causing speech and language delays, but most definitely it’s, I’m sure, a factor. We’re seeing a lot of things that look just like autism.

BUCK: Clay, there are reports like this now all over the country. First of all, we know for a fact that remote learning causes enormous learning loss, particularly among underprivileged minority children from financially low-income backgrounds. Okay. Now talking, speech. It’s near and dear to my heart because not only do I want to help kids obviously, but I had a speech impediment when I was a kid. This is horrible what they’re doing to kids. For what?

CLAY: It is, Buck. And I was reading this morning Flint, Michigan, is basically gonna go to remote learning indefinitely. Eighty percent of the kids in Flint, Michigan, are minority, and no one is standing up for them. And I’ll just say right now — I mentioned this yesterday — in Tennessee, if there are high levels of covid infection among the teaching staff, they allow schools to take a couple of days to go remote. So my kids are on remote learning for Wednesday, Thursday, and Friday of this week.

And the amount of work that is required for a parent — I’m at home — to get a kid on, even if you have really good Wi-Fi in your house, even if you have a reliable laptop that they can use, and then you sit and just watch it (as I know many parents have), they’re doing their best. The idea that you could even call it remote learning is, to me, a fundamental repudiation of what’s going on.

I’ve been saying this since they shut down schools in March of 2020 and then didn’t follow the American Academy of Pediatrics recommendations to come back in August and September of ’20. A lot of kids were remote for most of that year. That this was and will be the biggest lasting impact in the generations ahead, is the kids that what we have done to their education and how much we have cost them.

And, Buck, the kids that are gonna bear the brunt of that cost are overwhelmingly public-school kids of poor backgrounds who don’t have reliable Wi-Fi at home, who don’t have parents to get them on Wi-Fi. I mean, for a while there — I don’t know what the latest numbers are — there were a million kids that were enrolled in school in March of 2020, Buck, that just disappeared.

They didn’t come back when they had another year of remote schooling, they aren’t able to track them down — and we know what the significance is for kids who were unable to graduate from high school. Their entire lives they’re gonna have much lower overall success rates, and we did this voluntarily to our kids. The biggest American public policy failure since Vietnam. I don’t think there’s any doubt.

BUCK: School is obviously more, and all the educators — I know there are a lot of teachers who are listening to us right now, and I’m sure there are a lot of fantastic teachers listening to us right now. They all know it’s more than just a lesson plan on a screen. I mean, there’s a reason why you could right now go and have… There’s all kinds of places, you know, with Khan Academy. All these online tools are great, by the way, if used as a supplement or used in a certain way for people who already, for example, have had substantial education; it can be great to further your education.

I’m a big fan of the democratization of educational information out there, but there’s a reason why people still want to go to high school, still want to go to four-year universities. Not everyone does, but people do, choose to do this, because it’s about connection, it’s about socialization, it is about the actual human interaction, the learning process. It is different over a screen. We all know that, and I also think just, Clay, this is a reminder, one… Nancy Pelosi when she announced, you know why she said she’s running? Did you see this? I wanted to play this on the show. Maybe we’ll get this for later. You know why she said she’s running for Congress again? I’m not kidding. “For the children.”

CLAY: (laughing)

BUCK: That is her answer. Democrats love to say they care so much about kids, but when it comes to this pandemic, the Democrats have done more to harm children, to mandate child abuse than at any time I would have thought possible in my lifetime.

CLAY: And the kids who are most suffering are the youngest, to your point, Buck. When you think about the impact of not being in kindergarten and not being in first grade, that’s different than not being a junior or senior in school when you can do a lot of the reading and studying on your own. The climatation, the culturalization of what school represents for those young kids? We’ve lost it. I don’t think it’s a surprise that the speech issues are up 300%.

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    Breyer Quits, Signaling Dems Know They’re Done in ’22

    26 Jan 2022

    BUCK: Look, there are some things that are obvious about the Supreme Court justice opening here with Breyer set to retire. It rhymes. Sorry. It’s gonna be a leftist. It’s gonna be a lib they replace him with, a true judicial activist. But it’s also, according to Biden, gonna be more specific than that. What do you think this turns into? What’s the situation?

    CLAY: Well, he promised… This news just broke literally as we were about to come on the air, Stephen Breyer stepping down. I think there’s a bunch of big headlines associated with this decision. First of all, it’s important to remember that Joe Biden promised that he was going to put a black woman on the on the Supreme Court. He not only said that he was going to put a woman on, he specifically said that he was going to put a black woman on.

    So the potential list of nominees is probably the shortest list that has ever existed in the history of the Supreme Court because there just aren’t that many black women sitting at high levels of the judiciary that could be available as nominees for this seat. So let’s start there. So it’s a relatively short list. Joe Biden has already promised that it’s going to be a black woman. Now, there are several different angles associated with this.

    First of all, let’s talk about Breyer’s decision. This is an implicit acknowledgment that he does not feel good about Democrats retaining the Senate in the midterms coming up in 2022. Now, the Senate is a lot more up in the air if you look — and I’m kind of a political junkie. So you look at all these different states and who’s gonna win them. Remember, Democrats have the 50-50 tie-break right now.

    But this is an implicit acknowledgment that he does not like the odds there. And, by the way, Mitch McConnell told CNN, Senate Minority Leader Mitch McConnell, that there was roughly a 50-50 chance he thought that Republicans would take back the Senate. So, in other words, it’s not the slam dunk that taking back the House appears to be right now, even if you get a Republican surge in the midterms.

    But this is a sign that Democrats are not particularly optimistic about taking back the Senate, and that might also be a sign — Mitch McConnell’s prediction — that he’s trying to play down expectations as opposed to set them too high. Also here, what is going to happen? We saw what a — and I want to curse, but I’m not — crap show the Brett Kavanaugh Senate judiciary hearings were.

    We saw not as much of a fracas surrounding Amy Coney Barrett. Certainly, Gorsuch was not as controversial, either. What will this process look like? Will Republicans be united in opposing whoever Democrats put forward? If they are, then that would demand that Kamala Harris — as the president of the Senate, the tiebreaker there — vote 50-50 to break the tie and put someone onto the Supreme Court — and there’s also gonna be a lot of talk about this.

    Is there any possibility…? Given that his criteria is he’s going to put a black woman on the Supreme Court, is there any possibility that this is the exit strategy for Democrats to run away from Kamala Harris as their presumptive takeover candidate for Joe Biden? Could they, in some way, put her on the Supreme Court? We’ll get into whether or not these she’s a qualified. She at least qualifies based on Biden’s standard of being a black woman, and then it turns into an interesting question.

    But would Democrats oppose that, or would they think, “Hey, you know what? I kind of like the idea of Kamala Harris on the Supreme Court. Let’s get her out of the political equation in the same way,” and could Kamala Harris break the tie if Republicans were united against her opposition and vote for herself to ascend to the Supreme Court? So there are a bunch of angles here. There has been a lot of pressure on Stephen Breyer to step down. This would appear to be the only Supreme Court seat that is likely to open for Joe Biden. And it would maintain, like you said, Buck, the 6-3 situation in the voting power in the Supreme Court.

    BUCK: Right. There will be less of a battle royale over this just based on the fact that you’re not taking somebody who the left has come… You’re not taking a seat the left has come to view as — let’s be honest about this — built-in for them and reliable as left-wing legislation from the Supreme Court as they can with Sotomayor and for the most part Kagan is a little less than Sotomayor and Breyer up to this point, right?

    So they know that this is going to go with somebody who aligns with Breyer who is — I think you could argue, what — the second most liberal, probably. Maybe Sotomayor, obviously Breyer has a longer history of opinions. But certainly, a staunch leftist on the court, no question about it. I think, Clay — if we’re in the prediction game right now — you’re right about Biden.

    You’re stating a fact about Biden saying he would nominate a black woman to the Supreme Court. I think what we’re going to see is Democrats find a jurist — I don’t know who is on the short list right now; I’m sure they have one — who is a black female, and I think that that individual is likely to have radical, left-wing politics through the prism of a judge’s bench.

    That’s going to be something that’s absolutely essential for them here. I think you will actually see some Republican senators support her. I think you will see this judge get voted through with Republican support. I do not think you will see a united front. There are some members of the Senate on the Republican side who will simply not vote against the first female-black Supreme Court justice.

    That’s what I think is gonna end up happening here. I know people right now say, “Wait, but it’s about the credentials?” and, you know, absolutely. But I think that… I think that there are some Republicans… I mean, guys, does any really think Mitt Romney…? Start to look at some of the folks involved here. Who’s Ben Sasse, who’s Mitt Romney gonna be voting for in this process?

    CLAY: I will say this. This is me putting my lawyer hat on. Supreme Court nominations were nowhere near the political show for almost the entirety of our nation’s history. In other words, the presumption of any if you are the president and your party controls the Senate, you should get the opportunity to put somebody on the Supreme Court that you choose, presuming that they’re qualified, right? We’ve had issues before where people have been nominated. Remember George W. Bush tried to put Harriet Miers on the Supreme Court?

    BUCK: Not good. The right, to be fair — remember, the right — turned on him on that one.

    CLAY: That’s right. That’s to be the standard, right? You want to look…? There are all different sorts people who can agree or disagree with you. Every opinion that Justice Clay Travis would issue would be different than every opinion that Justice Sotomayor would put out, right? It doesn’t mean, however, that because those opinions are different, someone is not qualified to be on the Supreme Court.

    So I don’t know that… When you know already that the votes are there, clearly every Democrat’s gonna support it. I don’t know. It feels very much to me like a charade to make a big deal of opposing someone, assuming that they are qualified. So much like what happened with Amy Coney Barrett… That was one of those situations, Buck, where she was replacing Ruth Bader Ginsburg, so you were flipping the power dynamic in a large extent, and yet Amy Coney Barrett was so eminently qualified.

    I thought the Trump administration and McConnell and everybody else did such a phenomenal job of rolling her out, there was a terror on the Democratic side really to attack her aggressively because she was a suburban mom, because she was eminently qualified. And she kind of coasted, even though we were in the middle of a divisive presidential election. I feel like if Biden puts forward — and I’m not an expert in all the possible nominees here. I feel like if Biden puts forward a nominee who is within the scope of reasonableness, I don’t think there’s much of a battle here. You already know what the end result is.

    BUCK: I think we’re almost assured there will not be a battle over this. Republicans don’t have the desire nor really much of the ability. I also do believe — mark my words on this — you’ll get a few Republicans who will be happy to vote for this nominee, assuming this is a jurist who fits the established Biden criteria for diversity and inclusion, but also from a legal background. But in terms of Amy Coney Barrett, they just couldn’t have a bunch of people show up who said, “Amy Coney Barrett sexually assaulted me 30 years ago.” That wasn’t gonna work, right?

    CLAY: (laughing) That’s certainly true.

    BUCK: I don’t think that they learned a lesson in terms of, “Oh, now they’re gonna be less disgusting after Kavanaugh.” They just couldn’t run the same playbook. They started to try a little bit on some of the abortion stuff with Amy Coney Barrett, but it didn’t have the same resonance.

    CLAY: They tried to say… I think she’s adopted a couple of minority children and there was a trotted out “Oh, that’s racist.”

    BUCK: They were temporarily anti-adoption on the left because of Amy Coney which is disgusting, but these people are lunatics.

    CLAY: Yes. They realized that was blowing back on them and they knew that they needed suburban women in order to have a chance to run against Trump and so they ran in the opposite direction. But here’s the bigger takeaway, Buck, as we go to break. What’s likely to happen is for two years… If the Republicans take back the Senate, there’s not going to be anybody confirmed to the Supreme Court.

    So if there were another vacancy after November of the ’22, there wouldn’t be the votes in order to get there. That’s likely to be decided in ’24, much like what happened with Scalia in ’16. If somebody dies or somebody has to step down at ’22 — after the midterms, assuming that Republicans have control of the Senate — we could have a two-year vacancy.

    BUCK: Breyer’s the one — he’s the guy — that was assumed this was gonna happen just based on age and the political realities around him. So I don’t think… Who else? Thomas, you think?

    CLAY: When you get to people who are over 70 years old, health conditions can arise.

    BUCK: They may retire?

    CLAY: Nobody, I don’t think, saw Scalia dying when he did, and so I just think that’s worth factoring in there. We could have a 2024 election that also is definitively deciding who’s gonna be nominating a Supreme Court justice like we saw in ’16.

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    Virginia Mom Carrie Lukas on the Battle Against Masking Kids

    26 Jan 2022

    CLAY: We’ve got Carrie Lukas joining us now. She’s the head of the Independent Women’s Network, a mom of five kids in public schools in Virginia. Carrie, I’ve got a couple of kids in public schools here in Tennessee. I went and spoke out against masks back before the school year really got rolling in August. I know you guys are continuing to fight these battles in Virginia. What’s the latest there?

    LUKAS: Yeah. I hope you’ve had more success than we have. You know, it’s interesting because obviously we’ve had this wonderful new world where Governor Youngkin comes in and really is ready to stand up for parents on his first day of office. You know, he issued an executive order that didn’t rescind the mask mandate but immediately gave parents an opt-out. You were supposed to have the ability to opt your kids out of the mask mandates pretty much and that was supposed to start this week. But some of the Northern Virginia kind of intransigent blue school districts pushed back; they said, “No.” There’s a big lawsuit battle going on. My school board — my school, the kids’ system that they’re in — has said that any kid who tries to come to school without a mask is getting suspended and, you know, I decided to make a point. (laughing) I got two of my kids thrown out of school yesterday so (crosstalk).

    CLAY: How old are your kids?

    LUKAS: I have my oldest is 16 and my littlest is 7, and so I just went to our elementary school where the stakes are pretty low and it’s a much smaller school so I have a good relationship with, you know, the teachers and the administration there so it seemed like the safest place to kind of do this pushback.

    BUCK: Carrie, you shared a photo. I mean, it seems like this is getting pretty tense even at your own school. We’re talking about kids here, whether or not they’re wearing masks. Are there parents who are…? What, are they gonna call cops on people who don’t wear the mask? I mean, what is the enforcement mechanism here? And are there other parents who are coming along to your side of things more publicly than they have in the past?

    LUKAS: Yeah. It’s really interesting, because I feel like the conversation we could be having today could be entirely different if the Fairfax County public school system had just had a little faith in parents and in kind of humanity. It’s so funny because when I knew I was going to do this — and my grievance is with the school board, which is refusing to give parents this option. And I know that my little elementary school here is just following their orders.

    So I went ahead the night before this was gonna happen… The first day of school was Tuesday; the kids had off for some reason on Monday. So I sent an email to the principal and said, “Hey, I feel strongly about this; I want to exercise my rights. I know that this puts you in an awkward position.” I didn’t want to blind side them. I was very polite and said I would accept that they had to suspend any kids.

    The thing that was so strange was I arrive at the school in the morning with my two little kids in tow and with a couple of friends — one of whom was a reporter for the Daily Wire was coming with us, Luke, who is in an area — lives real close to the school — and another woman, Asra Nomani, who filmed some of it just so we had a record of what was happening. And there was a security guard there who really gave you the sense that they were expecting some kind of trouble which is ridiculous (laughing) because of course we were just there to have this conversation with our school. It was very strange that they felt the treat us as if they were hostile and couldn’t be trusted.

     

    CLAY: How long were the suspensions?

    LUKAS: Oh, just for the day. You know, so they basically — you know, it’s interesting because you could tell that the woman who was in charge of the school, the vice principal, I mean, she very much avoided… You could tell she didn’t want to say that they were suspended, and my conversation with her was very cordial. But at the same time there was a — and some of this is on tape at Asra Nomani’s Substack, where you can watch this video.

    Where the security guard is really hassling especially Luke, the reporter for the Daily Wire, who eventually wrote a story on this telling him to get off the sidewalk and really treating him as though, you know, like that he didn’t have a right to be there which seems very strange and just crazy. And so that’s what made the story and the funniest part was the security guard at one time pulled down the mask to bark at some of my friends and Luke (laughing), and they said, “Why did you just pull your mask down?” He’s like, “Well, I can’t talk through it.” We’re like, “Exactly right! That’s why we’re here.”

    BUCK: Carrie, this is a part of this — explain, the governor comes in, he’s the governor, right? And I live in New York and so I’ve had to just, you know, accept the stupidity of whether it was the former mayor, de Blasio — or the former or now current governor — whether it was Cuomo or Hochul. You know, their order was treated as law when it comes to things like masking. So Youngkin comes in, he changes things, but there are school districts that are just saying “no”? Is that what’s happening? ‘Cause that seems kind of crazy.

    LUKAS: Yeah, it seems lawless. It absolutely — and, you know, we’re being told that we should sit back and wait and that the court, the Virginia Supreme Court is gonna sort out who has the authority here. But I agree. I see no reason why the default should be that my school boards get to continue to really cramdown this mask — or this mask requirement on our kids which, again. You know, this would allow parents who wanted to mask to continue to mask their kids but to give us some freedom from this absolutely ridiculous, ridiculous rule at this point. But, yeah, I mean, we’re… I don’t understand why it is that Fairfax County public schools has this authority when this EO is in place. It hasn’t been stayed.

    CLAY: Carrie, so here’s my question. I’m obviously a parent who is complete in agreement with everything that you’re doing. I’m also a lawyer. So my thought is, every day that you show up without your kids wearing a mask, they suspend you for that day? Is that theoretically what the policy would be?

    LUKAS: Well, yeah. I mean, that’s… Yes, that is what the policy is, so my kids did go to school today. They missed so much time with online school last year that he didn’t want to keep them out but, yeah, one reason why I went there yesterday ’cause I wanted them to have to enforce this kind of to go through with it because if no parents kind of objected then there wouldn’t be any harm being caused and I didn’t think we would be able to — or no, you know, actionable harm. Where now my kids were barred from having an education yesterday, and, yeah, so I’ve options open I think if —

    CLAY: Well, that’s what I’m saying from a legal perspective. At some point if you are defying… I’m just working through the law here. If you’re defying, as the school board, the governor of the state of Virginia’s regulations to allow parents to choose whether their kids wear masks, and if they are effectively standing up in the schoolhouse door — to use a historical analogy — and barring your children from being able to enter, yours or other children.

    Then you would have a very strong case legally to immediately go to court and say, “This policy that be being implemented by this northern Virginia school district is not permissible under the law.” So I would hope you and/or other parents are going to seek redress, ’cause they specifically barred your children — you have evidence of it occurring — from entering school and getting an education, in direct conveyance of the rule of the governor. That is a pretty clear-cut case, I would think.

    LUKAS: Yeah, I hope so and, you know, it’s funny, you know, I hate this kind of thing. It’s so frustrating. But here we have… It’s not only just that the school is refusing. They’re using my tax dollars to put their own lawsuit against the governor. They were hiring security guards to harass us yesterday. They had a PR flack there to make sure that, you know, that people couldn’t listen to me have this, you know, very polite conversation with this woman who was suspending my kids. It was… They’re so wasteful and hostile. You’re right. Absolutely there are people speaking about the potential for a lawsuit, and we’re gonna see how this all plays out.

    BUCK: Carrie Lukas, everybody – -thanks for being with us — from the Independent Women’s Forum. Great to have you, and good luck in this fight because it’s very important.

    LUKAS: Great. Thanks so much for having me on.

    BUCK: All right. Thanks so much. Clay, I gotta say, I just wanted to get that on the record there because they’re just saying “no” now. They don’t have the power anymore. People have thrown out their lunatic lib governor. They don’t have the right to do this, and schools are just saying “no.” This is lawless.

    CLAY: They’re standing in the schoolhouse door — this is George Wallace style — over masks. They’re not allowing parents who don’t want their kids to wear masks to get an education, and I’m gonna share Carrie’s Twitter handle so you guys have it. If you’re in Northern Virginia you’re listening to us, I’ll share that online @ClayTravis. She was fantastic. More props to her and other parents for standing up against this. This is crazy.

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    Somebody Make Fauci Explain What’s Happening in Israel

    26 Jan 2022

    FAUCI: So, what I think we’re gonna be able to see is not eradication or elimination, but a level of control that’s low enough that it really gets integrated into the regular type of viral infections that we tend to deal with — parainfluenza, flu, respiratory syncytial virus. If we can get covid down at that level where it doesn’t really challenge and us threaten us from a public health standpoint, that would be an acceptable, quote, “living with the virus.” But not at the level we are right now because we still have 150,000 hospitalizations, 2,000 deaths, and about 700 infections. That’s too high a level to accept to be living with. If we get it way, way, way lower than that, then I think it would be acceptable to go along and not be disrupted in society.

    BUCK: Welcome back to the Clay and Buck show. I know. I’m sorry you had to hear that, but I think it’s important you know what an idiot Dr. Fauci is. We have to keep reiterating this every day and notice that he’s still going with this, “We get the level, we control, we need to control…” They can’t control a gosh darn thing when it comes to this virus. This is a Charlie Foxtrot situation across the board. This is a total mess. But he’s still acting like…

    I mean, Clay, he’s talking about it like all these things we’re doing, just keep doing. They say things like we know how to control the virus. No, they don’t. If they want to talk about trying to in some way limit your risk of hospitalization and death for specific individuals, that’s still a conversation we can have about getting it. But if we’re talking about control of the spread, which is what he’s discussing, they have absolutely no means of controlling the spread! That is what we have all seen for the last 90 days, and he still talks about this. Friends, this doesn’t go away until Fauci goes away. It doesn’t stop until the masks stop. This is the world we’re living in now.

    CLAY: Look, Buck, I’m looking right now — and I just retweeted it for people who want to see this graphic for themselves — Israel. We talked yesterday — and I would encourage everybody to go listen to the podcast third hour, if you didn’t hear it yesterday, Alex Berenson. I’m gonna talk about him a little bit in a couple of minutes because there was a good discussion on Tucker where he said a lot of the same things he did with us. But look at Israel, okay?

    Israel right now, over 90% of the adult population has gotten two vaccine doses, 80% have gotten three doses — that is, the two shot plus the booster — and over 500,000 people there have gotten a fourth dose. That is four covid shots! You need to see this graphic, Buck. Right now, Israel is averaging over a hundred thousand cases a day — and what is the Israel population? Aren’t there like six million people who live in Israel, something like that?

    BUCK: About, yeah.

    CLAY: So we’re talking about when they have a hundred thousand cases right now in Israel, we’re talking about that being an unbelievable number relative to the United States. That would be like… I’m trying to do live math, which is always a challenge, but I think five or six million cases a day in the United States would be the equivalent of the hundred thousand a day that we are seeing in Israel right now.

    BUCK: I’m seeing your tweet now. This is amazing because obviously it’s about to go viral, as it should. This is from Michael Sanger, who is an attorney and an author, but he’s sharing the data out of Israel right now, and here’s what it says: “New covid cases per capita break a new world record in Israel, where over 90% of the adult population has received two vaccine doses, 80% have received three vaccine doses, over a half a million” out of only six million “have received four vaccine doses,” and they’re setting an all-time high and a per capita global case record. Someone ask Fauci. I want to hear that evil tyrant Smurf try to explain this.

    CLAY: And keep in mind, Israel is a highly educated and a relatively healthy, right, country as a whole. They have less fat people than we do. They have, I think, a higher average age of death. So we’re not talking… The fact that they’re setting all-time highs there is in a really wealthy country with healthy people. Why would this not be the same thing that’s going to happen in the United States, except our overall population is less healthy, more obese than theirs. I want to know what’s going on there.

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    CLAY: Now, Buck, you and I had what I thought was an incredible interview with Alex Berenson yesterday. Alex Berenson, after our interview, then went on Tucker Carlson and basically said the exact same thing that he said on our radio show, which is — as we just discussed with all of you — the Israeli data is incredibly alarming for the vaccine argument at all. In other words, despite vaccination, despite double boosting for many people in Israel, cases are skyrocketing there and setting world highs.

    Now, they do a better job of testing than we might be doing here. Remember, if you test at home and you test positive, nobody ever really knows that you tested positive in terms of the overall government data. So we are wildly undercounting the number of people who have had positive Omicron cases. But CNN says — I want you to know — that that discussion that we had with Alex Berenson yesterday and that Tucker Carlson had on Fox News last night, it’s killing people. And there are basically arguing that this is a conversation that should not be allowed to be taking place, that we shouldn’t be able to share honest data with you. Here’s CNN’s Brianna Keilar — Keilar, however you pronounce her name — saying we’re killing people. Listen to this.

    KEILAR: None of that coverage or coverage at Fox Entertainment — (snickers) of course — is aimed at the real and most urgent issue which is people not getting the protection of the vaccine. Also, strange these anti-vaxxers are just fine with getting covid treatments, amazing miracles of science. Once they get covid and they are staring down the odds, but they don’t want the vaccine — also a miracle of science — and, again, the daily-double question is why is Rupert Murdoch, who was one of the first to get vaccinated, allowing this anti-science BS on the air? Because it is killing people! But, you know, ratings, and that is the ultimate moral crime.

    BUCK: So she’s not a smart person and no person who is intelligent listens to what this CNN anchor has to say. I mean, just start with that — and CNN has become a pathetic place in so many ways. But notice here a few things: The demonization of monoclonal antibodies. Once again, only the vaccine is allowed to be accepted. You notice they don’t even really talk about, what is it, the Pfizer pill that we’re expecting is gonna be in broader usage sometime soon.

    They don’t want to talk about treatment. They only want to talk about the vaccine, and here we are. You’re talking about the Israeli data. I would be so curious. I wish some of the journos would just have some courage — the ones that have access to Fauci — and see what’s going on in Israel. I would love to hear his explanation. It would probably be (impression), “Oh, there’s a new, new, new variant” or something that would just happen to fit right in there and not actually deal with the fact.

    Clay, I just looked this up ’cause I was curious. Israel right now is above — and this is in Haaretz, which is a well-known liberal paper, leftist paper in Israel. They’re actually above their Delta peak right now, for serious cases — not just for cases, for serious cases — for hospitalizations. How the heck is that going on under the circumstances of a country that’s not only essentially entirely vaccinated, almost entirely boosted as well! Remember, the whole concept of herd immunity is you get to a certain level where… Remember Fauci was explaining this? (impression) “You know, in the community, the level, it won’t bounce around as much,” and it was like 60% or 70%.

    CLAY: He said 50%. He said once we get to 50%, we would no longer see any spikes in infection.

    BUCK: We wouldn’t see spikes and surges. We’re at 80% of Israel is boosted — not even just vaccinated, boosted! — and they’re seeing all-time high cases, and they’re seeing serious spikes in hospitalization, which are those cases where people are obviously quite ill. So you’re just wondering — you’re sitting here — what is their explanation for this? You have the miracle of this incredibly effective vaccine that people in Israel have gotten four times now and are still getting really sick. If someone made me get the measles vaccine four times and I still got measles, I would have some big questions to ask.

    CLAY: Yes! (laughing) Of course you would — and the other thing we should add in is, Israel had been almost a perfect predictor for what is going to happen in the United States, because they have better medical data, because they do a better job of tracking the influence. And so these are questions that if we had a truly unbiased journalistic system in America that truly spoke truth to power, then the number one question Dr. Fauci would be getting right now is, “Israel overwhelmingly vaccinated, overwhelmingly boostered.

    “And also, now a significant number of people boostered on top of the booster. There are lots of people in Israel that have gotten 40 shots in a year. They just set a world high for covid cases. Why in any way is that a success story, and why is the same thing not going to happen in America? That’s the number one question that we asked of him. There’s not a single journalist asking that question.

    BUCK: Clay put it out on Twitter, but you can find it online right now. If you’ve seen, the case number in Israel is skyrocketing. It’s something that you have to look and say, “That can’t be right.” I’ve checked on the data. That is the data. It is right. So if you see that graph where all the sudden it just takes off like a rocket ship in a country that actually has good data; is keeping tabs on two doses, three doses, four doses, ages. In this country, we can’t get anything close to the real-time data that they do in Israel, and you have to wonder why that is.

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    Fox Notices Buck’s Take on Dems, the Border and Ukraine

    26 Jan 2022

    BUCK: As of now, we still do not have any Russian invasion of Ukraine to speak of. Over 130,000 Russian troops spread around the eastern border of Ukraine in what seems to be a preparation for invasion. Some people are even talking about a Russian blitzkrieg that could topple the government in Ukraine and try to overrun all their forces in rapid fashion. The Pentagon is…

    Right now, actually, on Fox, they’ve got Pentagon Spokesman Kirby talking about sanctions and all rest of it. If anything comes of that, we’ll let you know. Got the White House briefing up in just a few moments here. If Jen Psaki says anything — well, I was gonna say “worthwhile.” It’s not… If she says anything we have to either refute or make fun of (or usually both), we’ll certainly bring that to you as soon as it happens. But I saw this, and I was hoping we maybe move a little bit into discussion of where the Biden regime is right now with the economy and a few other topics. But I gotta tell you…

    CLAY: Let me… By the way, before you get to that, I gotta give you props. You drove the entire news cycle yesterday with your analyzing the border in Ukraine versus the complete lack of focus on our border on the southern border. I can’t tell you the number of places I have seen it since our show yesterday. For people who were listening, Buck made what I think is a really astute observation that the Biden administration is far more concerned about the border sanctity of Ukraine than they are the border sanctity of our own country, and in fact has given far more attention to what might happen on the border with Ukraine than they have with what might happen in the United States at our southern border. And so you laid all that out yesterday, and then what happens is basically the entire apparatus media discussion follows that throughout the rest of the day.

    BUCK: Thank you very much, sir.

    CLAY: So props. I hope people recognized it. FoxNews.com picked it up and wrote an entire article about it out of our show — and, by the way, I think that’s great good sign for the show, that we are having influence beyond the audience that we have right here. We love everybody out there listening. But the way that you change things is not just talking to your island of listeners even though it is a Big Island. It’s to influence the overall scope of discourse. And I think as it pertains to Ukraine and the border, you did that on behalf of the show yesterday. It was well done.

    BUCK: Thank you so much, sir. I’d say I feel like our mission here continues be to be — I’ve said before — we’re the unsinkable aircraft carrier of free speech, but I really also mean that aircraft carrier analogy goes to I want other conservatives to know that they can stop on our deck, refuel, go take their mission, go do what they gotta do. I want us to be a gathering place, a resupply, a strategic forward operating base, if you will, for all of our fellow conservatives making the case. That’s why we try to, to borrow a term from the left, “platform people.” I prefer my aircraft analogy, but we try to platform people, and we’re gonna continue to do that here because we’re about the movement and the team, folks. We’re about winning. We’re not trying to play any petty nonsense within our own team on the right.

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    JOHN BERMAN, CNN: Why should Americans care about what’s happening in Ukraine?

    DEPUTY NATIONAL SECURITY ADVISOR JONATHAN FINER: Because it goes to a very fundamental principle of — of all nations, which is that our borders, uh, should be inviolate, uh, that our sovereignty should be respected.

    BUCK: “…sovereignty should be respected.” That was the deputy national security adviser the Biden regime yesterday. Welcome back to the Clay and Buck show. Just want to point out, sovereignty is really important when it is five or six thousand miles away in a country that is not America and is not even close to America. That’s very important, and if we have to send troops…

    The Biden regime wants you to know, we gotta send a whole lot of missiles. I’m seeing the photos of more Javelin anti-tank missiles. Remember, the Obama administration actually refused to send Ukraine Javelin anti-tank missiles. Too provocative. Trump came in — ’cause he’s such a Russian stooge — and sent Javelin anti-tank missiles, Dragunov sniper rifles, and other lethal munitions to Ukraine.

    And now we’re sending a whole lot more, it seems, in the Biden regime’s preparation for the possibility of invasion here. But it is fascinating, isn’t it? Sovereignty is important for Ukraine and, Clay, we have an obligation — and, again, I’m speaking from the Biden regime point of view here — to take risks and perhaps even blood and treasure spent to protect Ukraine sovereignty, God forbid.

    But that could end up happening here. But our sovereignty? A couple of hundred thousand people coming in illegally every month? A massive wave of illegal migration that the Biden administration’s essentially waving into the country? Every state turning into a border state, ’cause they’re putting ’em on planes; they’re flying ’em from McAllen and from El Paso and from wherever to New Jersey and New York and California and Illinois? You sit there and you say, “Wait. So everyone else’s sovereignty is important, but our sovereignty is racist, I guess.” That’s what we’re told: Racist.

    CLAY: Not only that, but the media will actually cover the Ukrainian border issues and not cover the United States border issues! I keep coming back to the Biden presser because it’s such a clear window into what media focus is on. Think about how many questions we got surrounding Ukraine, and how many questions we got about the border. We didn’t get a single question about the murder rate, which has skyrocketed in this country.

    I saw a data point out, largest U.S. cities, Buck, up 44%, the murder rate is, since 2019. So in 2020, we were up 30%. We were up again in 2021, such that we are up 44% since then. We didn’t get a single question about murder; We didn’t get a single question about the border. And what that says to me compared to all of the obsession that is there with Ukraine, is very often the media’s focus is far outside of scope of what your average person is thinking about.

    That’s why I glad to live in a place like Nashville ’cause I think sometimes you get seduced by whatever your environment is, if you’re in New York or L.A. where there’s lots of media. You know what people ask/talk about here? Inflation being up massively. Masks on their kids in school. They talk about whether or not they feel safe being able to go out into cities.

    All of those things are what is going to decide the election in 2022. Whatever happens in Ukraine is unlikely to be a major story, but for the fact that much like Afghanistan, Buck, it can reinforce the overall perception — which is accurate — of incompetence. Usually, foreign affairs don’t dictate local domestic politics. But when those foreign affairs, like what happened with Afghanistan, reinforces a level of incompetence that resonates with all of the issues that are going on today with inflation and the murder rate and the border failures and everything else — covid failures — that are going on, that’s when it has a significance, and I think that’s what’s happening right now.

    BUCK: I think we’ve learned a lesson over the last 20 years, not just about why we don’t want to be building other societies thousands of miles away for other cultures and other groups of people that are not America. I think we’ve learned that lesson in ways that I can barely begin to express here on this show right now. But everyone knows what I’m talking about — Iraq, Afghanistan. But beyond that, one of the aspects of Trump’s populism that really caught on initially was this revolutionary idea at the time of focusing on us.

    That the government of the American people should focus on the interests and protection of Americans first. That was all of a sudden like, “Wait a second. What do you mean? Don’t we have to ask the U.N. for permission before we think about Americans? Don’t we have to go to the IMF and wonder what our domestic policies should be? Maybe we could have some U.N. observers for our elections and tell us how to really do it.”

    The rejection of that ideology was one of the key factors in Donald Trump’s rising to what they thought was the impossible win in 2016, right? And still the Trump movement continues on, and we may very well have another Trump presidency going forward, as we know. But that’s something that I think you’ve seen the so-called intelligentsia — a word taken from the Russians, by the way, and if people learn about the original Russian intelligentsia, they’d have a very different feeling about it all. But, anyway, that’s a conversation for another day. You can see, Clay, I’ve had some late nights reading about pre-Soviet Russia. It’s very instructive about our current times with authoritarianism and the Democrats.

    CLAY: You’re one of the only people in America reading about pre-Soviet Russia in any part of your day —

    BUCK: (laughing) Yeah.

    CLAY: — other than Russian history professors somewhere. I do think, to the point on Ukraine, when we went into Afghanistan, there was at least the argument directly connected to 9/11, “We’re going in to advance American interests because these people attacked us.” If we could go back in time, the right time to leave Afghanistan, in my opinion, and declare victory — which would have been a much stronger American foreign policy perspective — was right after we killed Osama Bin Laden.

    If Barack Obama, I bet, had it to do all over again, that’s a clear line of demarcation. We went into Afghanistan, we have caught all the people responsible for attacking our country, now we’re gonna leave. It would have avoided the disaster that Biden got there. But with Ukraine right now, the American public, the narrative of, “Why we should care?” there’s no connection there.

    So, the idea of going in with American interests associated with Ukraine, I think, doesn’t pass the smell test for most Americans who are even more skeptical after the failure in Afghanistan, after we went into Iraq on the presumption of weapons of mass destruction. This was another thing that Trump was willing to talk about, which was almost verboten in Republican politics. It was saying, “Hey, I don’t think the decision to go into Iraq was the right one.” Remember? I mean, that was a revolutionary thing for him to say that I think a lot of people responded to that and connected to this idea of American exceptionalism. Let’s focus on America. We don’t need to be the world’s police.

    BUCK: We have a Republican — a conservative — base in this country roughly age, let’s call it, 20 to 45. Well, 20 would be a little… Well, until recently we were still in Afghanistan, but let’s say roughly 20 to 45. We have a conservative base of people who — and maybe my math is a little off. You could say into their fifties but I’m talking about over the last 20 years, we’ve had people that have experienced the realities of an overactive and overreaching foreign policy from the smartest minds in D.C.

    By the way, on a bipartisan basis, Republican and Democrat. But the people that are listening to this now who served — the millions of Americans who served — in those countries I think saw a reality up close and personal in the clearest possible ways of what it means when you take the conversations about sovereignty and universal human rights from a think tank near Capitol Hill or in Foggy Bottom and turn it into, “We’re gonna send a bunch of other people to fight a war in a far-off country.

    “And we’re not exactly entirely sure, not only what the mission is going to be in the end, but why we’re there in the first place,” and certainly in the case of Iraq. That’s been the conversation and with the extension of the Afghanistan mission too. This is why I’m pretty confident that the American people don’t want anything in Ukraine, Clay, don’t want us to be in Ukraine in any way that would get us involved in that conflict. It goes back to just your point about what does this show us about the Biden regime? They’re floundering. They’re having real problems. And one way to get the country mobilized behind you — if you can pull it off, if you look back at the realities of our past — is have a war somewhere, and that’s what really concerns me.

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    Three Shots for 3-Year-Olds? It’s Madness!

    26 Jan 2022

    BUCK: I just want to bring folks up to speed because the White House just put this out apparently. You got kids, so you’re actually somebody who has to deal with this decision. I know a lot of our listeners have children that are dealing this decision. This is from the New York Post just now: “The White House said Wednesday that the covid-19 vaccine regime for kids younger than 4 years old will likely be three doses when it’s approved …

    “Two clinical trials of the Pfizer vaccine on children ages 6 months to 2 years old, and ages 2 to 4 are underway, but the older group hasn’t yet met standards, White House chief medical adviser Dr. Anthony Fauci said at a press conference. ‘Dose and regimen for children 6 months to 24 months worked well, but it turned out the other group from 24 months to 4 years did not yet reach the level of non-inferiority, so the studies are continued,’ Fauci said.” Clay, three shots for your 3-year-old?

    CLAY: Well, and don’t mistake what he’s saying there. The shots didn’t work, and so now they are saying, “You need to get more shots.” Let me just say, I have a 13-year-old actually turning 14 tomorrow. Happy early birthday to my oldest son. We went out to dinner with the family last night to help celebrate. I’ve got a 11-year-old, and I’ve got a 7-year-old. So I’ve got an eighth grader, a fifth grader, and a first grader. There is no way on earth that I am getting them the covid vaccine.

    I don’t even think it’s fair to call it a covid vaccine anymore. It’s a covid shot. If you are, in my opinion… The great thing about being a parent is, at least so far, you get to make choices for your kids based on all of the data, all the analysis, everything that you have learned as an adult. And, by the way, every parent out there knows you make a lot of bad decisions, too, right? Parenting is about trying to limit the bad decisions and maximize the good decisions to allow your kids to have the best possible outcomes.

    No parent gets everything right, and no parent gets everything right with every kid. But if you are getting your child who is under the age of 4 a covid shot, I think you are bonkers. I think you are banshee-level crazy based on all the data that I have seen. Now, unlike all these mask idiots out there, I’m not telling you, “Hey, you have to wear a mask.” Even still, I see a lot of young kids wearing masks. I think it’s awful, but that’s their parents’ right to make that the choice.

    I’m not saying you can’t do it. And I’m not anti-vax ’cause somebody’s gonna grab this audio and they’re gonna be like, “Clay Travis is antivax! He’s an awful parent! He’s trying to kill kids!” No. I look at the data and decide in a rational, not fearful, not emotional (loss of audio) that I can make for my family. And there is no way on earth based on the data that’s out there that my young kids are in danger from covid or in need of a covid shot.

    Not antivaccine, measles, mumps, rubella, all that stuff when they’re young, I got my kids the vaccines, okay? But I am anti the covid vaccine for young children, and I can’t make it any clearer to anyone than saying that’s the choice I’m making for my family. You have the right as a parent out there to make your own choice. But, Buck, remember in the press conference when some loser reporter, idiot reporter out there asked Biden, “Hey, when are we gonna be able to get covid shots for kids that are under 5-year-olds?”

    And I was thinking to myself, “Who are the parents out there that are clamoring for their under 5-year-old kids to get the covid shot when they have zero risk whatsoever?” And, by the way, when, frankly, I don’t think these covid shots are giving them very much protection. As Fauci himself just said, they can’t even figure out how to get the right immune response. The right immune response is get the virus and get over it. That’s the perfect immune response. That’s how kids handle most viruses.

    BUCK: There’s also a huge tell here, and I know we’ve discussed it, but we have to keep bringing these things into the conversation because they intentionally exclude these things from the conversation. Natural immunity. Think about the context that we’re entering now when they’re talking about getting kids shots. The chance that most of these children that we’re talking about now have been exposed to and already beaten covid and likely have lasting and perhaps even lifelong immunity against whatever the covid strain is that we’re now trying to deal with is very high.

    They make zero allowance for this whatsoever. They have no interest in addressing this whatsoever, and you can just tell all along there’s been this completely unscientific approach to pretending natural immunity. Now study’s come out that lets you know four or five months ago when the big Delta surge was happening, it was better if you had natural immunity from the previous covid infection than the vaccine. Fact. That’s now come out.

    What do we think we’re gonna find out in six months? That that was some one-off in the world of nature? No. But, Clay, they don’t care, even though we used to be told that 40% of covid cases were asymptomatic. So that was the CDC’s figure in the summer of 2020. I’ve never forgotten. That’s part of how they justified masks, by the way. It always changes based on whatever restriction they need, right? So they said 40% are asymptomatic. If 40% of cases are asymptomatic in the general population, what percentage of cases are asymptomatic among children who we know all along have been much faster at clearing this? They make no effort to get us that data, those numbers whatsoever. It’s disgraceful.

    CLAY: We really should have, since they’re using kids like pincushions out there to test them on the covid vaccine, Buck, why don’t we have testing to know what percentage of kids have covid antibodies? Wouldn’t you like… I would love to know that. My kids — two of my youngest — are in public school. I would love to know what percentage of kids — I think that would be instructive and knowledgeable data that parents would like to have.

    What percentage of kids in any given city or in any given school district already have at this point antibodies to covid? That seems like it would be a wildly useful statistic. And you can test inside of a school. I would be comfortable if they sit in and said, “Hey, we’re thinking about testing at your kids’ public school, your elementary school. Would you allow us to take a blood sample and check and see if your kids have had covid?”

    I would love to know that information, and then also be able to extrapolate it to the larger community and the larger school system because that would be important information for all these teachers out there that are continuing to say, “Oh, my gosh. We’re in such danger, we can’t go back and teach!” Well, if you knew that 75% of kids have already been exposed to covid — which I don’t think would be a crazy number at all.

    Wouldn’t that influence in many ways the public policy discussion surrounding masks and also surrounding kids being able to attend school? Because it would limit what risk factors are actually in play for so many people out there. And obviously a lot of kids 12 and up have gotten the vaccine. That’s the choice you can make. I just think this is madness, young kids, newborns, 6-month-olds, I mean, what are you talking about? It’s insanity.

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    26 Jan 2022

    CLAY: Buck, I don’t know if you saw this yet, but all of a sudden left wingers have discovered this UPenn swimmer story. Have you noticed this?

    BUCK: I have not seen this. No. Tell me more.

    CLAY: The New York Times yesterday had an article about it, about the controversy, and they said, “Oh, right-wing media outlets are fed up about it,” as if being in favor of women competing against women is a super right-wing idea, and they’re trying to turn it into a political issue. No. Look. If you’re a man and you decide to compete against women, we’re not making that issue. You chose to do that, and I don’t even see this as remotely…

    People sometimes fight against this idea, but I really do see this as not a particularly political issue because there’s nobody out there arguing, for instance, if you just take outside male-and-female sex. If somebody was like, “Hey, I think this 240-pound boxer should get to compete as a flyweight,” you would say, “No, no, no. Flyweight boxers are 120 pounds or less; it would be fundamentally unfair for a 240-pound, heavyweight boxer. Obviously, he would be the best boxer at 240 pounds.”

    I coach 10- and 11-year-old basketball and have coached Little League and all different sorts of stuff. If suddenly I trotted out a 16-year-old on my team has a mustache, fully grown, that kid would be the best kid on the court. But everybody in the stands and everybody on the opposing team — that’s why we have birth certificates — would say, “No, no, no. You don’t get to bring in a 16-year-old to compete in 10-year-old athletics.”

    So this idea that you can just parachute in a man and then he’s going to be able to compete against women because he now identifies as a woman, as this being a right-wing issue, what percent…? I mean this honestly, Buck, because I read the New York Times piece, and they’re trying to turn it into a real strong political wedge issue. What percentage of people in America think that a biological man in sports should be able to compete against biological women — straight up, if we were polling this — 2 or 3%?

    BUCK: So I’d have to say this: I think you would get 20% of Americans right now to say to a pollster that they’re okay with “biological males” (also just males) competing against females, but I think at the moment, the number of people who would be okay if they were competing — or rather they had a family member, a child, college age, competing — with that situation is less than 1%.

    I think essentially no one who is touched by the issue would ever say it’s okay, ’cause it’s so obviously unfair, right? It’s such a common sense-based issue. But, you know, it’s interesting, Clay. There are actually some interesting studies out, and you could see… I’ll just tell you. I’m reading this book — it’s just called Testosterone — ’cause I wanted to know more about the gender debate, and one of the things that keeps coming up about trans issues and all the rest of it?

    Within science, there’s an effort right now — within the scientific community, scientific consensus, just like the Fauciites with the covid stuff — to say that testosterone doesn’t really affect things as much as we think it does and it certainly doesn’t affect behavior, desire. All the science is against that, but it is fashionable. All the actual data shows testosterone is enormously important.

    Not just to your physicality, male versus female — and, of course, testosterone exists in women, too, but it’s the level of testosterone. Not only your physicality, but also your behavior, your deportment, your desires. All that is affected by it. But they try to suppress this because it goes to what we’re saying. This is about biochemistry. This is actually about science.

    CLAY: So I also think it ties in, Buck, with the way that we decide what’s acceptable and unacceptable when it comes to fair competition. Barry Bonds and Roger Clemens are two of the greatest baseball players of all time. They didn’t get into the Hall of Fame because they used performance-enhancing drugs. So when you change your gender, that’s a pretty significant drug that you’re allowed to use that, also, gender is performing enhancing. And I don’t understand how you’re not spending more time as a larger sports society talking about the analogy there. To me, it seems like there’s a big connection.

    BUCK: Yeah. It’s cool and deep anti-feminist, by the way, to allow this to happen. Just point that out too.

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